Popular Mechanics' Editor-in-Chief Jim Meigs Talks About Response to 9/11 'Hit-Piece'

The Conspiracy Industry - popularmechanics.com

On February 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/ Illuminati conspiracy for global domination. It was on that day the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics, with its cover story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, hit newsstands. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs—which calls itself the “9/11 Truth Movement”—was aflame with wild fantasies about me and my staff, the magazine I edit, and the article we had published. The Web site www.911research.wtc7.net, an organization that claims that questioning the “official” story of 9/11 is “an act of responsible citizenship,” fired one of the first salvos: “Popular Mechanics Attacks Its 9/11 LIES Straw Man,” read the headline of a piece by a leading conspiracy theorist named Jim Hoffman. We had begun our plunge down the rabbit hole. Within hours, a post on www.portland.indymedia.org, which claims to be dedicated to “radical, accurate, and passionate tellings of truth,” called me “James Meigs the Coward and Traitor.” Not long afterward, another prominent conspiracy theorist produced an analysis that concluded that Popular Mechanics is a CIA front organization. Invective and threats soon clogged the comments section of our Web site and poured in by e-mail: I was amused at your attempts to prove the conspirator theorists wrong by your interviewing people who work for the government. Face it: The U.S. government planned this attack to further its own agenda in the Middle East.
Rest assured, puppet boys . . . when the hammer comes down about the biggest crime ever perpetrated in the history of man—AND IT WILL—it will be VERY easy to identify the co-conspirators by their flimsy, awkwardly ignorant of reality magazine articles. Keep that in mind the next time you align yourself with evil scum. YOU HAVE DECLARD YOURSELF ENEMY OF AMERICANS AND FRIEND OF THE MOSSAD!

I shouldn’t have been surprised. In researching the article we’d spent enough time studying the conspiracy movement to get a feel for its style: the tone of outraged patriotism, the apocalyptic rhetoric, the casual use of invective. A common refrain in conspiracy circles is the claim that “We’re just asking questions.” One would think that at least some quarters of the conspiracy movement might welcome a mainstream publication’s serious, nonideological attempt to answer those questions. One would be wrong. .. The American public has every right to demand answers and all too many reasons to lack confidence in the government. Sadly, in such a climate, the fantasies of 9/11 conspiracists provide a seductive alternative to facing the hard facts and difficult choices of our time.

(visit the link for the full text) thanks Anders (and others) for the heads up!

Avoids Prof. Jones & Wood

Meigs conviently avoids mentioning the scientific research of Stephen Jones of BYU and Judy Wood of Clemson. He picks on low hanging fruit like Rense and "Loose Change". Meigs is a propagandist, plain and simple.


I was thinking the same thing as I read his focus on extremists in the truth movement.
Easy to address the outer rim of the movement....
Just like their "debunking" article did...
The fact that his retort follows the same pattern proves this guy is indeed a propagandist.
Fails to mention the volumes of articles written on the topic where namecalling isn't an issue.

Eat the Hacks

"In researching the article we’d spent enough time studying the conspiracy movement to get a feel for its style..." Just why in hell are investigating "conspiracy theorists" when apparently they were working on an ivestigative piece about the murder & destruction which occured on 911 - not the Truth Movement. Also noticed how he has used the obvious tactic of re-labeling us as a "conspiracy movement." Clearly, he has slipped and shown the true motive of his bullshit investigative piece was nothing more than a hit piece. These creeps are done, they've got a lot of money and media power, but they're made up of corrupt and compromised hacks. They are in for it when we come into our own.

No mention of Scholars...

Scholars for 911 Truth omitted from the piece? Obviously...To take this piece seriously at all, the focal point would have to have been the Scholars...Therefore, this piece means nothing at all.

Don't Look Insane

Remember that guys like this are just as smart as us. He had many excellent and true points about conspiratorial thinking. The main thing he failed to realise is that just because what we believe seems like a paranoid conspiracy theory, it doesn't follow that it is. Sometimes conspiracies turn out to be true. It is possible for it to have happened. If he was brave enough to accept that then he'd be more likely to understand that our hypothesis best fits the data. He is just as guilty as some of us are for enjoying "a worldview that is immune to refutation." He's not a propagandist. The media self-censor. I'm sure some of your friends do to.

Counter example to PM

OK I suppose I could accept Mr Meigs’s point at face value. However, I am outraged and patriotic. I hand out pamphlets about 911 truths so I am a 911 truth activist-I guess. I purchased a copy of the official 911 report new in hardcover for a suspiciously cheap price. I would also like answers to the questions. I would like to listen to the answers and keep an open mind. Therefore, it seems to me that my case alone is a ‘counter example’. Are there many more ‘counter examples’? How many?

Why That Magazine???

He calls it a mainstream publication. Well, in terms of significance as a credible source, I'd rank it below Popular Science, and way way below Scientific American. Sorry Meigs.

Hat Tip

Found this toward the end of the thread, but it deserves to be where the casual reader will spot it...............................

Coup at Popular Mechanics in Sept 2004
This has been posted before, but it bears repeating;

In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazines former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a deputy, Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PMs 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.

A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. Three or four people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.


A big cognitive dissonance happens when people attempt to realize how thoroughly controlled the media is, right here in the good old USA. It's mind boggling, for sure!


The CIA is helping to run our "Mainstream Media"...fyi...

The 1975 Senate committee hearings on CIA abuses chaired by Frank Church revealed that hundreds of CIA operatives were installed in America’s leading TV [networks] and newspapers to give the White House a means of controlling public opinion during the Cold War. Just the tip of the iceberg was revealed and then hastily resubmerged as too dangerous a revelation to national security.

Until Carl Bernstein (of Watergate’s Woodward and Bernstein reporting team) followed up and revealed more in a 1977 Rolling Stone article.

Americans remain unaware of what this means. The USA has a state-controlled press more effective than the KGB’s Pravda because Americans don’t know it is their government running their ’mainstream media.’ Please tell everyone you can.



CARL BERNSTEIN: "The history of the CIA’s involvement with the American press continues to be shrouded by an official policy of obfuscation and deception . . . .

Among the executives who lent their cooperation to the Agency were William Paley of the Columbia Broadcasting System, Henry Luce of Time Inc., Arthur Hays Sulzberger of the New York Times, Barry Bingham Sr. of the Louisville Courier-Journal and James Copley of the Copley News Service. Other organizations which cooperated with the CIA include the American Broadcasting Company, the National Broadcasting Company, the Associated Press, United Pres International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Newsweek magazine, the Mutual Broadcasting System, the Miami Herald and the old Saturday Evening Post and New York Herald-Tribune.

By far the most valuable of these associations, according to CIA officials, have been with the New York Times, CBS and Time Inc."



Carl Bernstein, who had worked with Bob Woodward in the investigation of Watergate, provided further information about Operation Mockingbird in an article in Rolling Stone in October, 1977. Bernstein claimed that over a 25 year period over 400 American journalists secretly carried out assignments for the CIA: "Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors-without-portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested it the derring-do of the spy business as in filing articles, and, the smallest category, full-time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad."



In 1975, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence headed by Frank Church (the Church Committee) focused its attention on the Agency’s use of American news outlets. The CIA went to great lengths to curtail this part of the committee’s investigation, though, and some members of the committee later admitted that the Agency was able to get the upper hand. Colby and his successor, George Bush (CFR, TC), were able to convince the Senate that a full inquiry would cripple their intelligence-gathering capabilities and would unleash a “witch-hunt” on the nation’s reporters, editors and publishers.

“The Agency was extremely clever about it and the committee played right into its hands,” one congressional source told Carl Bernstein. “Church and some of the other members were much more interested in making headlines than in doing serious, tough investigating. The Agency pretended to be giving up a lot whenever it was asked about the flashy stuff - assassinations and secret weapons and James Bond operations. Then, when it came to things they didn’t want to give away, that were much more important to the Agency, Colby in particular called in his chits. And the committee bought it.”



The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today’s publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post’s ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (8)

MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who’s Who of journalism:

* Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
* William Paley (President, CBS)
* Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
* Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
* Jerry O’Leary (Washington Star)
* Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
* Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
* James Copley (Copley News Services)
* Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
* C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
* Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
* Associated Press
* United Press International
* Reuters
* Hearst Newspapers
* Scripps-Howard
* Newsweek
* magazine Mutual Broadcasting System
* Miami Herald
* Old Saturday Evening Post
* New York Herald-Tribune

Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:

"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."

This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.

imagine that...

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Exactly. A big reason why

Exactly. A big reason why my Dad can't grasp the truth behind 9/11 is because he thinks that "the biggest story in our nation's history" would've been reported in the media by now. I've done everything I can to tell him otherwise: read him the damn '96 Telecom Act; shown him graphs of media consolidation; shown him who some of these leading media figures (Roger Ailes, etc) are and their prospective interests.

Its quite depressing to talk to my Dad, a successful and intelligent orthodontist, and see how receptive he is to knowing not only about 9/11, but about how are American media works and how he is spoon fed lies on a daily basis.

A shame.

ask him about OK City

Then show him the video of the local news reports. Then ask him why the most important part of the stroy was not reported (the sophisticated explosive devices INSIDE the building)


I really can't see why this video doesn't have more than 7,000 views. It is THE way to make people see that the media, for WHATEVER reason, do censor VERY important facts. Maybe because it makes Clinton look, well, as corrupt as W?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Tell him about the 1967

Tell him about the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty. Thirty-four U.S. sailors murdered in cold blood. The number would have been closer to 200 if the ship had gone down, as was intended.

No conspiracy there. It really happened. Sure the attackers say it was an accident; but then we've got dozens of red-blooded sailors who survived the attack who say otherwise-- that it was a deliberate attack.

Why wasn't the USS Liberty attack discussed in the media? Why was there no government response? Why did the military cover it up? How could anyone do such a thing, much less get away with it? Why isn't it discussed today? Why doesn't anyone even know about it?

These are questions you can pose to your dad. The good thing is that there is no conspiracy...it's all out in the open. That they did it in 1967, AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SCOT-FREE, is a pretty good indicator that the same perpetrators did it again in 2001.

What's really funny is that

What's really funny is that he uses every conspiracy theory 'technique' to rationalize his conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists. He also supports the official conspiracy theory of 19 conspirators who conspire against the conspirators believed to be conspiring by the conspiracy theorists. I think he's a conspiracy theorist just for thinking that conspiracy theorists are conspiracy theorists. I think I now support the conspiracy theory that everyone is a conspiracy theorist...except for the one's that answer "Not Sure". They are non-conspiracy theorists. But wait, if they don't support any conspiracy theory at all, then that's a conspiracy against all conspiracy theorists.



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Meigs et. al. are doing the

Meigs et. al. are doing the legitimizing for us.

Yep, we are part of a vast nutjob conspiracy...

And we use terrorist tactics to sow confusion with our lies about 9/11.

When you get down to it, it is not the coal calling the kettle black, it is the coal calling the SNOW black.

And when they call US paranoid? We're not the ones taking bottles of milk from babies before we get on a plane. Or wrapping our homes with duct tape and plastic. Or profiling racial, ethnic, and religious minorities.

Absurdity has a way of outing, don't you think? Especially when it's a bunch of criminals accusing their accusers of the crimes of which they themselves are guilty. I mean, even making sense while just talking about these creeps is almost impossible!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force


I liked Meigs explanation

I liked Meigs explanation for why WTC 7 collapsed.(sarcasm) I thought Meigs response to Jim Hoffman's article that destroyed the original PM article was very funny. I also thought the first sentence of the last paragraph was a good one. "The American public has every right to demand answers and all too many reasons to lack confidence in the government." Yes we do, and that is why we are demanding a new INDEPENDENT investigation. Why is Meigs so affraid of this? Wouldn't a truly independent investigation vendicate Mr. Meigs and make all us 9/11 Truthers look crazy? Its too bad that the end of these type of articles always end up associating the 9/11 Truth Movement with anti-semites. It seems to be a desperate tactic to convince people not to do their own research on 9/11. "You dont want to look at 9/11 Truth websites, they're all holocaust deniers." My geuss is it prevents some people from looking at the facts.

No Lessons Learned?

Does no one in the 9/11 truth movement learn a lesson from this? Rabid responses with profanity, name-calling, and groundless accusations only hurt our cause. And debunkers will gladly quote these foaming-at-the-mouth diabribes to show that we are all a bunch of squirrels. Why can't people write clearly, logically, and to the point, and resist the urge to engage in childish name-calling and groundless accusations?

Yeah, I see your point, but

Yeah, I see your point, but you know, people are always... always calling us names and saying the most incredibly rude things. It's hard to take the moral high ground sometimes, particularly if it's obvious that reason is lost on a quite a few truly rude people. I have trouble refraining often.

This is a very good point

Unfortunately the angry rant style of politics exists just as much within the 9/11 movement as in the culture at large. There's very little to be done about aggressive and illiterate morons, who after all are everywhere, but I would still hope to see greater capacity for self-critique, restraint and sensitivity among the many smart people in the movement. It's lacking, imho, and I'm glad you at least have pointed this out.

On the other hand, in my own time doing this I've certainly accumulated a fat folder of threatening, insinuating, insulting and illiterate hate mail from supporters of the official story. I could present my own article on this, but it would be kind of pathetic and self centered. Which is the very definition of Meigs's article.

Seriously, if we had a popular magazine

wherein we could quote our opponents' bottom of the barrel vitriol, it wouldn't sound any better. The difference is that the gravitas of our well spoken people far exceeds theirs - just compare D.R.G. to Cockburn...

If infantile, angry rants by outraged truthers are their weapon of choice against us, it only goes on to show that apart from that, they got nothing.

Oh, there you go being reasonable

Nice to see you here, Rice Farmer, assuming you're the same guy/gal who posts at the FTW blog. I post under a different name there-- I'll give you a clue: "Pre-meditated murder is always a conspiracy. Those who destroy evidence and tamper with the crime make themselves accessories to murder after the fact." Etc.

And I agree, though you may not be able to tell from my posts. Basically, if I'm not attacked, I'll restrain myslelf; but attack me and I give a right kicking.

What some people need to learn is how to give a kicking without looking like a crazy jonny.

Be seeing you...

911 the Musical

what's up with that: www.911themusical.org

that's a joke, but this is not


The Fall '01 - starts in NY (09/11/01) and 45 min. later ends at Gitmo...a scene titled "prison for all" with the last dancer to leave the stage reaching for a noose.

We premiered it on the 9/11 5th anniversary in Mexico, but it won't be ready to tour the US for another year -- may be some short sample clips around the blogosphere before long -- look for it if you prefer art over entertainment, but as art, the piece ain't pretty.

Jackie Gabel & Agnieszka Laska

911 the Musical looks like

911 the Musical looks like it will be more for the mainstream audiences, much better than a pretentious dance company rolling around on the floor.


we don't do mainstream - no point - as for pretense - thanks for the feedback on the pixs - makes one thing clear - no art for this blog - all best - jackie

dont listen to that person

Please forgive the last person and don't judge the whole blog. Your spectacle looks very interesting. Reminds me of Pina Baush. I would go and see it if it came to France.

il y a du chance

likely to tour Europe before US - we tried for a US 5th anniversary premiere but no takers - one NY presenters said no way in under 10 years - understood, Britten's "War Requiem" premiered 17 years after VE - moreover this thing ain't over; "The Fall '01" is about terror, war and torture, w/o patter song one, but an Agnus Dei that would make Josquin weep - if the above-cited "911 The Musical" isn't really a joke URL, that's pure chutzpah - some would say something else. -- jackie

Ef U nanananana

Lighten up Francis!

Save the moralistic speeches for your kids.

I'd love to see that show

I'd love to see that show

Yet another lie...

"On February 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/ Illuminati conspiracy for global domination.I

I'm sure Meigs was a member of that fascist cult long before Feb 7, 2005!

good one

good one

round and round

As I've written here before, going round and round with propeller heads, arguing the physics of building collapses and the size of crash holes is a distracting exercise. When accompanied by puerile invective it's utterly counterproductive.

Now in the court of public opinion, the 911Truth movement needs to focus and think like a trial attorney. There is no need to argue with propeller heads. The strong facts are simple and clear.

As detailed by Webster G. Tarpley's analysis of The 9/11 coup:

1) textbook scenario: inept patsies, protective moles, expert executioners, a compliant media

2) Pentagon & POTUS security stripped

3) "Angel is next" threat

4) POTUS' capitulation

5) and finally the call to Putin to report US post-9/11 Middle East attack and occupation plan and to warn that Russia had better not interfere.

Many media insiders know all this. "Angle is next," was even reported by NY Times' William Safire, but not followed up on. Virtually none within the corporate media are genuinely free to do so - job-loss threats, or worse, make 9/11Truth the media 3rd rail; but it should not be the plitical 3rd rail.

Forget the propeller heads for now. Our strongest case must target the left gatekeepers. As all other lies leading to war, domestic spying and even senseless barbaric torture have failed to slow this insane juggernaut of global hegemony, they must be made to see that 911Truth and the treason at its core is the only weapon that can pierce the heart of this vampire regime. We must get the left gatekeepers aboard before the madmen start WWIII.

I urge you to focus on lefty blogs and broadcasts. Get out to local peace rallies and carry a 911Turth sign -- we must end the war of terror before it ends us all. -- jtg

How does he explain Davin Coburn?

who, me or Tarpley?

...disinfo bungler comes to mind...all the more reason to ignore him and keep your distance - again, we'll get more support bringing left gatekeepers and their followers on board than arguing with a fool like David Coburn. Who would take him seriously? - jtg

Yeah, no need to point out building 7 to anyone, eh?

Because we could argue for hours about how that building fell and never convince anyone. But let's get into the real cloak and dagger stuff, like Angel is next (maybe Angel was building 7?) and "patsy" comparisons to evoke the grassy knoll crowd.

Yep, sounds like a winning strategy to me, for protecting old boom boom Silverstein.

But really folks, don''t mention building 7, it discredits the movement!! And the left gatekeepers don't respond well to it! Let's instead point out that bin Laden DID do it, but, um, Cheney paid him to, and now he regrets it. Yeah!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force


...grassy knoll crowd

and don't forget tin foil...whatever - the Romans' hunger for regicide wasn't just another diversion for the masses - remember Guy Falks, the Maine and the USS Liberty - if you like Silverstein for WTC, fine - I'll take the shadow gov. for the Pentagon, threat on the POTUS and the War of Civilizations.

Details here:


Silverstein won't escape the dock, if he's still breathing when it comes down, but exposing his greed won't stop WWIII.

I'm talking about perceptions, not just responsibility.

I don't think Silverstein masterminded 9/11 any more than I think Bush did. Of course there's a "shadow government"--not all powerful, but basically a bunch of assholes mingling among all the decent people (and less than decent but not evil) public "servants".

When we're talking about convincing people of the problems with the oT, though, it sure helps to show them building 7 coming down, and I speak from quite a bit of experience in direct outreach to people in the streets.

just sayin'!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force


good job

keep it up - your right...WTC7 picture says it all, though some will argue till the cows come home - as for indisputable fact:

1. (documented) inept patsies could not possibly execute any of it

2. Pentagon and POTUS security stripping is intentional & treasonous

I submit the only sort of case that might apeal to Vidal, Chomsky, Goodman or Corn - keep pushing to recruit them - bury the anger and forget about PM.

Dylan Avery on Southpark 911

Duh. Pissed off Muslims.
I know, it's been kind of quiet here lately. Been finishing up 9/10 and working on the script for the Final Cut.

Btw, in the slight off chance that Trey Parker and Matt Stone read this website, congratulations guys. Some saw that as a hit piece. I saw it as a subtle and careful way of delivering the facts without taking either side.

The episode was incredible, and I'd like to thank you. I don't need to go into detail as to why I think the show was on our side, I'll just say that, based on interviews with you two, Eric Cartman often serves as your personal mouthpiece. And every time a character brought up evidence, it was either silence or "Are you retarded?"

One even brought up the explosions at the base of the towers. This wasn't a poorly-researched hit piece. This was a calculated and brilliant way of flying under the radar.

But hey, that's just my two cents. Interpret it as you may.

posted by dylan avery at 7:05 PM

Yeah - al-cia-duuuhhh

Anyone for pissed off oligarchs? Like running the world into the ground the old fashioned way was just getting too, too...oh too way boring, dude!

Stone to do OBL film.

Stone to do OBL film based on Jawbreaker (the book, not the slutty movie with Rose McGowan).

This new Stone movie could be the JFK-type movie that we've....

..all been waiting for! Let's hope. Isn't Jawbreaker about how we purposely let bin laden get away at tora bora?

Stone the Stooge

I doubt Stone would be doing anything more than enabling the perception that 911 will always be a mystery which never can be solved; like he did with JFK. Disinformation from somebody who a decent portion of the 911 Truth Movement already have a sense of faith in, is the best - an inside man. Hollywood will not be the Nation's savior. The only thing which will set you free is the truth, as its said. And when the Truth is finally consumed by the mass, the Movement will move like a giant and land and become undeniable in his stance, and I wouldn't want to get in the way of giant. no one would be able to get in the way of it. The 911 Truth Movement will be like the Civil Rights Movement, but hopefully with more success.

This new Stone movie

Hold on to your socks, JFK was indeed an entertaining (in my opinion) an educational movie. But it was also a slick piece of propaganda. Michael Collins Piper's book Final Judgment laid ultimate blame of the JFK assassination at the Mossad's doorstep. Stone's main financial backer for his film was an Israeli arms dealer! True! Stone is a Zionist apologist, no doubt about it. He makes entertaining films (I'll give him that) but don't expect anything beyond Zionist propaganda.

Final Judgement

Yes, the book connects the dots better than any other study on the subject of the JFK assassination.

Cui bono? Just follow the money.

Of course, Mossad needed help from Johnson, Hoover, Bush, Warren along with a stand down press. Together they all helped make it the perfect crime.

Israel got the bomb, and the gang got rich and powerful.

"No bid" Brown and Root was acquired by "no bid" Halliburton.

The gang is still around, only it is now second generation.

As Johnson and the assassins lied us into Vietnam, Bush and his buddies lied the nation into Iraq.

Likewise, the fairy tale of the "magic bullet" is only out down by the new fairy tale "fire brought down the towers."

The gangsters would have gotten away with 911 a lot easier if they still held a stranglehold on information. Thanks to the internet, 84% of Americans now see through their lies.

911 was all about money, power, and the Zionist cabal's insane ideas for Israel's safety and survival.

One of the most fascinating things Final Judgement brings out is "the Talmudic law of the moser, or the law of the Jewish informer, is essentially a covenant prohibiting a Jew from informing on another Jew to a non-Jew, which is diametrically opposed to the adversarial process of our own legal system and therefore conducive toward OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

Furthermore, among employees at all levels in our intelligence and law enforcement communities, the law of the moser constitutes an impediment to frank and uninhibited exchanges of information in the discharge of their duties and therefore poses a threat to our national security. I cannot overemphasize the great importance of this very real issue of the law of the moser, or law of the Jewish informer, the history of which you can read online at www.JewishEncyclopedia.com." Stephen M. St. John

- Uh Oh - Stoned, Literally

Just saw that the writer of the bin Laden movie is the same writer that wrote "The Path to 9/11".

"Cyrus Nowrasteh (The Path to 9/11) is attached to write a second draft."



It's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. ~ Bill Hicks

Pop-Mech "journal"

Re: Meigs...

I had to chuckle at this part

"In a few short weeks, Popular Mechanics had gone from being a 100-year-old journal about science, engineering, car maintenance, and home improvement to being a pivotal player in a global conspiracy on a par with Nazi Germany."

Straw man anyone? LOL

Where to begin...? A "journal"???? I guess Hustler & High Times & Martha Stewart Living are journals too? Certainly Meigs was not attempting to infer some sort of scholarly credibility? LOL When (if ever) was Pop-Mech lauded such deference by the American people?

And the bit about "in a few short weeks…"

It might've taken only a few short weeks for a BUNCH of folks to publicly pants Pop-mech as Propaganda, and Meigs as a shill… but the 100 year thing…? Who knows how long they’ve been involved with the ‘Ministry for public enlightenment’? Did I hear anyone say it was only recent?

3 buildings collapse.
All of the vertical support columns fail - simultaneously, in such a manner as though they “telescoped” down into themselves. Hmmmmmm But that’s JUST a conspiracy, and we should trust the Gurus at Pop-Mech – they have a "scientific" explanation. LOL

For a 'scientific' 'journal' Pop-Mech demonstrates vast ineptitude re:

The Conservation of energy.
Just to name a few.

Meigs outted himself & his rag. The traitor-shyster needs to suck it up and STFU!

Letter sent to Popular Mech....

Dear Mr. Meigs,

I just completed reading your article “The Conspiracy Industry”. I couldn’t help but chuckle how you have gotten yourself and the magazine you represent into a 911 / Global Domination conspiracy debate. On the other hand, I did have to shed a small tear for honesty and truth at the same time. There are several points that I would like to you consider before writing another article on the 9/11 topic and those that “see” things from an alternative view.

First, there ARE a lot of ill informed people out there. The number of people who Blog on the Internet and rave like mad men number in the thousands. A good many of them rave about 9/11. However, as always, critical debates from thoughtful individuals are often lost in the crowd. Their analyses are lumped in with the “nuts”. People, however, like Professor Steven Jones and Dr. David Ray Griffin have earned the right to the heard in a professional forum. They have something important to say and reasonable questions to be answered. To lump these individuals with the kids behind Loose Change is unjust. And, I did note that you didn’t bother to mention in your article the plethora of other mainstream notable individuals that question 9/11 (see http://www.patriotsquestion911.com). If you are ready for a serious debate about 9/11, I guess I would just have to say – “pick on someone your own size!”

Second, it is not your place to “prove” anything. This duty was NOT your job but the job of our government in the first place. It was our government that chose to take an incomplete analysis of the events on 9/11 – especially the building collapses. Instead of leaving all options open and using the scientific methods to deduce based on ALL the evidence what happened, they instead investigated what they thought (or wanted to believe) happened. The fact is the NIST report focuses on the events that precipitated the actual full collapse progression and little there after. This is a preposterous. For an event like the WTC collapse(s), based on the limited evidence (since much of it was destroyed) of the start of the collapse, there are many possible theories that can explain what was “seen” (as indicated from the pancake vs bowing theories). However, neither of these theories supports the ENTIRE (9-10 second) collapse event, whereas the Controlled Demolition (CD) theory may (if fully investigated). No one seriously arguing the CD theory says that there were no fires or planes, but that that these were not enough to bring down the buildings. In fact the NIST report states that if the fire-proofing was not “knocked off” (which by the way is ONLY a theory – there is no proof that this happened on a wide spread scale) that the buildings would NOT have collapsed. There are also many experiments done by NIST that go against the outcome (such as the trusses not failing in tests and indications that no metal found demonstrated exposure to enough heat to weaken the steel, etc). The fact of the matter is that one can not possibly support a simple gravitational collapse AND explain a) why there were many reports by the firefighters in the building of secondary explosions taking place on floors such as 3-4 and 7-8 (before the building collapses) and why there were reports of explosions in the subbasement of one of the towers BEFORE the first plane hits, b) why NASA infrared pictures show hot spots of over 1300F days after 9/11, c) why molten metal was reported in the basements of WTC1 2, and 7 and red-hot metal was pulled from the debris field days/weeks after 9/11, d) how pulverization of the building started instantaneously with the collapse – not after any momentum was built up after multiple floors had collapsed, e) how one video shows clearly a large chunk of the building being blown almost straight up perhaps a hundred feet before arching back to the ground, f) how the lowers levels of the building provided zero resistance to the following building allowing the buildings to fall in under 11 seconds, ------ and on and on and on – NOT TO MENTION WHY WTC 7 FAILED FIRST AT THE EAST PENTHOUSE SUPPORTED BY COLUMN 8, WHICH SUFFERD NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE – PROCEED TO COLLAPSE SYMETRICALLY INTO ITS FOOTPRINT AT FREEFALL SPEED! (even the government’s report states that the WTC 7 fire theory has only a “low probability of occurrence”). The fact is the NIST report did not need to address ANY of these issues because, for the sake of “brevity”, it was not in their mandate to investigate beyond the initiating collapse sequence. If these events are so common place, then they should be easily demonstrated. The fact is that they are not common place and not consistent, if true, with a simple gravity induced collapse sequence.

Third, your magazine has claimed expertise in examining 9/11 because of your past history commenting on cars, airplanes and the like. I would put forth to you that while this may be true, your establishment is certainly not qualified to talk about whether or not the events leading up to and those after 9/11 have geo-political motivations and powers behind them. To do this would be presumptuous beyond belief. It is clearly historical fact that the US Government / Military hierarchy has mislead this country before. The newly declassified documents on the Gulf of Tokin, Operation Northwoods, and the USS Liberty are just a few mega-examples of this historical FACT. These are not the ravings of conspiracy theorists; these are the actions of deviant political and military traitors. There is no reason to believe that people, such as those that fostered these previously mentioned plans/events, do not exist today in the highest elements of our government. To assume otherwise is naive and dangerous. In addition, to be afraid to understand and use history to guide us is a big mistake. The biggest mistake is to be so afraid of history or a person (such as Hitler) that we can’t learn from the past. Hitler was a man, not Satan. His name and tactics should be referred to when historically relevant - without fear to being called anti-Semitic. Regardless of planes and building and fires and missiles, if just the simple fact the some faction in our government knew about 9/11 and did nothing so that war could be raged in the Middle East, the comparison to the Reichstag Fire is warranted and relevant – AND IS BEYOND YOUR EXPERTISE to comment on in any authoritative fashion.

In conclusion, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I love science, physics, and politics. I am a business leader in my community. I have a very technical background and have designed many complex financial and telecommunications systems. One thing I am not is a lemming. I refuse to take peoples “word” for anything. Prove it. From what I have seen, Popular Mechanics have done the worst sort of science – one that starts with the conclusion and finds the evidence that fits it. Show me the model that proves your case start to finish with regards to all of the WTC collapses. Then I’ll believe that the outstanding questions about these 9/11 events have been fully investigated. Until then, your publication is no better then a half-baked government report or a nutty no-plane theory.

Best regards,

Great email!

Great email!

Nice one.

Nice one.




It just dosen't get any better than that:)


Those with power and influence only feel themselves slowly sinking, and no matter how beautiful one's Titanic may be; the word unsinkable just makes the ocean hungry. ~ David Wilcox

Half Baked Popular Mechanics

The letter was great.

Just a small comment about the dust. The energy needed to pulverize the dust into such small granules proves without question a gravitational collapse is false.

The question now is what kind of explosives were used? Let's reexamine the steel.

Opps, steel is gone. But removing evidence from a crime scene is a felony. I'm still waiting for someone to be arrested here.

What is the government hiding?

The criminal demeanor of this administration is incredible.

Que bono?

Why can't we follow the money of the inside trading put options?

Opps, the SEC says no insider trading that day.


In the course of that review, we did not develop any evidence suggesting that anyone who had advance knowledge of the September 11 attacks traded on the basis of that information.

The SEC guys are a piece of work.

Then you have the "portage" argument as to why they can't tell you who purchased the puts on 911.

Complete fraud like a no bid contract.

Just another predictable hit piece

We should really stop being distracted by these 'debunkers'. Their stories are nothing but ad-hominem attacks. They have nothing else.


Whatever happened to Stanley Hilton?

Just curious.

His case was dismissed. He

His case was dismissed. He should be dismissed, too - - he's a neo-con himself - -

Hell, for that matter...

Just when did 'Popular Mechanics' become such a prestigious and authoritative journal of science?

When I was young it was pretty much the journal of how to build go-carts outta Briggs and Stratton lawnmowers....

Hasn't it always been pretty much a rag?

I'm just saying.....



And the persistant lame attempts to imply Truthers = Holocaust deniers is getting OLD.

Reminds me of the one shining moment during the LC vs PM interview when PM brought up Holocaust denial and LC called them on it.

That warmed my cockles.

What's worse than debunkers

What's worse than debunkers equate 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial is when Holocaust deniers show up on this blog and do the same thing.

God, yes!

There was that bloke a couple days back got me wrapped up for several paragraphs. He was civil and all, but never did explain the survivors tattoos( 'course, haven't checked since yesterday, so maybe).

Watch out for these people. They're hogging post space and making us look like Holocaust "something". Confront, be brief, and move on; that's my plan from now on.

I LOVE to be called NUTS!

Hell, I knew from day ONE that the official story is a lie. Everyone who works in aviation electronics should not believe in the fairy tale. Why? Very easy! IFF. The IFF control box is on the center console of almost all aircraft for a reason (to include the 757 and 767 which I have the CDROMS). When/if a person gets injured the bodys arms tend to pull in (as an L), so it is always reachable to instantly turn the switch to the hijacking code. Basically it is the easiest and most accessible panel to reach in an emergency for whatever reason. FOUR aircraft and no hijacking codes! Only a fairy tale that they only noticed something was wrong when the planes were off course/ and or the transponders were turned off. I never needed to know about WTC-7 etc, but it is good to see many were paying attention! Thanks!


Coup at Popular Mechanics in Sept 2004

This has been posted before, but it bears repeating;

In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazines former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a deputy, Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PMs 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.

A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. Three or four people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.


A big cognitive dissonance happens when people attempt to realize how thoroughly controlled the media is, right here in the good old USA. It's mind boggling, for sure!

I know we shouldent call them names

But seriously people like Meigs are literally demon creatures, he might not of been involved with 9/11 but he's guilty after the fact and he has made a conscious decision not to do a independent investigation into 9/11 and has instead decided to be an enforcer of the status quo and that is where he stands guilty and for that he deserves to be charged with treason and should have a date with the gallows and so should the Wolf Blitzers and Anderson Coopers of the World

i want to see a video of

i want to see a video of that guy where he explains us that funky molten metal theory.. (no oxygen = fire doesnt 'cool down' = steel melts ).

It's on page 41 of their book.

See here:


Really folks, this is beyond absurd. People should be calling up PM to ask them the names of the "experts" who made this claim.

People should also be writing to their local Mr. Wizards to ask them if it makes ANY sense whatsoever.

I would say as far as an Achilles heel, this is a prime candidate!


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Bush Signs New Bill in Memory of 9/11



''With the bill I'm about to sign, the men our intelligence officials believe orchestrated the murder of nearly 3,000 innocent people will face justice,'' Mr. Bush said.

Among those the United States hopes to try are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the September 11 attacks, as well as Ramzi Binalshibh, an alleged would-be 9/11 hijacker, and Abu Zubaydah, who was believed to be a link between Osama bin Laden and many al-Qaida cells.

''It is a rare occasion when a president can sign a bill that he knows will save American lives,'' Mr. Bush said. ''I have that privilege this morning.''

Mr. Bush signed the bill in the White House East Room, at a table with a sign positioned on the front that said ''Protecting America.'' He said he signed it in memory of the victims of the September 11 attacks.

- could they be exploiting 9/11 again? no, can't be...




Is anyone concerend that the Military Commission Act of 2006 is now law?

President Bush has signed it. He guarantees that its only purpose is to get the people who caused 9/11.



VERY interesting.

The PROMIS of 9/11 and beyond

Jerry Mazza / Online Journal | October 17 2006

As whistleblower Richard Grove points out, SilverStream (the software company he worked for at the time of 9/11), served not only AIG (American Insurance Group), it also built trading applications for Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Banker’s Trust, Alex Brown, Morgan Stanley, and Marsh McLennan. With this impressive list, according to Grove, “you pretty much had the major players involved in the financial aspect of the 9/11 fraudulent trading activity.”

I might add that fraudulent activity extended from finance to our government as well.

In the weeks preceding 9/11, many elves on Wall Street were working into the night to make Marsh and others’ SilverStream fully operable. The software, as Grove pointed out to me, “was an internet portal framework. Panacya is AI (Artificial Intelligence). PROMIS and P-Tech are the grandparents if you will.” So let’s consider the grandparents to fully understand the power of the grandchildren. Sort of like Prescott Bush in relation to George W., Jeb, Neil and Marvin Bush.


Chertoffs next target:the internet(as if we didnt know)

Web could be terror training camp: Chertoff
Sequoia Union High School District school board could decide Wednesday on $500,000 project

Reuters | October 17 2006

Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday.

"We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the Internet," Chertoff said on the sidelines of a meeting of International Association of the Chiefs of Police.

They missed the internet in

They missed the internet in their global domination plan, it seems. And that's no big wonder for people that focus on oil, jet fighters, tanks, invading territory etc. The neocons are the most ignorant people of the information age that exist - or has anyone ever heard a speech of GWBush about it? Nope.

Well, and now they're trying to "invade" the internet as well, with homeland security "bedroom closet"-type spying, and an endless war against "insurgents". Let's hope for and end to their cash flow (Nov. 7th) before it's too late.



not so fast......

Government Targets American Bloggers As Enemy Propagandists
Military, Homeland Security, Bush White House strategy sharpen knives against anyone critical of the "war on terror"

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | October 17 2006

Recent scientific polls that show around 84% don't believe the government's explanation behind 9/11 and others confirming the fact that support for the war in Iraq is at an all time low have led the Bush administration to sharpen their knives against the new breed of perceived "enemy propagandists," bloggers, journalists and online activists who dissent against the "war on terror."

As Raw Story reports, CENTCOM announced earlier this year that a team of employees would be "[engaging] bloggers who are posting inaccurate or untrue information, as well as bloggers who are posting incomplete information."

it gets worse still.....

Europe Moves To Kill The Internet
New EU rules would prevent uploading video without a license

Steve Watson / Infowars.net | October 17 2006

The latest move to kill off online freedom and the spread of information comes in the form of proposed EU legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video, whether that be a hard hitting political documentary film or your friends goofing around with diet coke and Mentos.

A proposed EU directive could extend broadcasting regulations to the internet, hitting popular video-sharing websites such as YouTube., reports the London Times. This would mean that websites and mobile phone services that feature video images would have to conform to standards laid down in Brussels.

Personal websites would have to be licensed as a “television-like service”. Once again the reasoning behind such legislation is said to be in order to set minimum standards on areas such as hate speech and the protection of children.

In reality this directive would do nothing to protect children or prevent hate speech - unless you judge protecting children to be denying them access to anything that is not government regulated or you assume hate speech to be the criticism of government actions and policy.

Whilst it may not seem a great loss to some people that there would be no more home videos of "Girls snogging for fun" or "Bad Bus Driver", under such rules it would also be illegal throughout the entirety of Europe to upload and spread informative documentary films such as Alex Jones' Terror Storm, important activist tools which seek to expose the fraud behind the war on terror.


and the thing is, therr doesnt seem to be any outrage yet. you would think this would infuriate everyone, not just online activist types.

DAMN! That was well said!

Awesome DZ......

Missed the Internet

I can still remember Boy wonder Bill Gates dismissing the internet as a fad. Anyone doubt that the reason we all have insecure computers and a gov aligned software monopoly is just an accident?

Its not an accident, but -

Its not an accident, but - to a certain extend - not avoidable that we have insecure computers. This is not a conspiracy.

what Microsoft does is most

what Microsoft does is most often a "conspiracy", too. They conspired to destroy Netscape, they succeeded. They conspired to force upon every desktop their glory insecure (google "spyware drive-by downloading") Internet Explorer, and succeeded: it is the new standard in virtually all businesses now, just like there once was OS/2 as a competitor operating system, and they force-fed us their Windows. They are winning their game, for the same reasons that the neocons are winning theirs - leverage, deceptions, conspiracies.

while you're googlin microsoft, google google

google is as deceptive and conspiratorial starting with their IPO... did YOU know that Henry Kissinger was a paid consultant before they went public? No? oogle the Googlian Knot!


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i beg to differ. I certainly

i beg to differ. I certainly dont like microsofts strategies and monopol-oriented doings, but hey, there is a very big difference between the neocons and msn , in my book. Who force-fed you Windows ? Maybe your job/company, or school or whatever did , yes, but not microsoft. There are alternatives, and some people do use them you know.

My response to James

I'm new to the truth movement, but if you check out the link to my blog, you'll see that all I know is we, as a people group, have more and more

and MORE

questions that are not being answered.

Check it out...i wrote a letter back to James

one love


Microsoft was convicted of a Felony and was guilty of a conspiracy. The spin came on the "soft" sentencing which happened because GW had just stolen the election.

I love it when people dismiss history because it interferes with their own personal pundentry.

i still dont get what you

i still dont get what you actually want to say with this, or why this makes them 'equal to the neo-cons'.
how many other companies out there are guilty of a conspiracy, do u think?

"On February 7, 2005, I

"On February 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/ Illuminati conspiracy for global domination"

Don't flatter yourself Meigs, you still haven't answred the more pertanant questions of the 9/11 truth movements, sure you may be able to argue the toss on con dems, although i notice you do struggle when wtc7 is bought into subject..

You yourself have said questions need to be asked, then i wait with baited breath for the next edition of pop mechanics to have a blazing headline reading 'RE-OPEN 9/11 NOW', or are you just in the game of distracting people by building straw man arguments and lumping all people who question the 9/11 commissions cover up.

I would like you to look into why Dick Cheney had NORAD stand down-

"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

the orders HAD to be not to shoot it down.

The money man behind Mohammed Atta was meeting top US officials ON 9/11.Gereral mahmood the head of the ISI wired 100k via Saeed shekh who himsefl has links to CIA/Mi6Bin Laden and Al Qeada.

Will we ever see a copy of Popular Mechanics with "RE-OPEN 9/11' on the front page? will we bollox.

You serve no purpose, we want answers, you just want to serve as a barrier, get outta the way or you'll be steam rollerd by the truth.

Get behind 9/11 truth.



Oct 17, 2006

The PROMIS of 9/11 and beyond

by Jerry Mazza

As whistleblower Richard Grove points out, SilverStream (the software company he worked for at the time of 9/11), served not only AIG (American Insurance Group), it also built trading applications for Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Banker’s Trust, Alex Brown, Morgan Stanley, and Marsh McLennan. With this impressive list, according to Grove, “you pretty much had the major players involved in the financial aspect of the 9/11 fraudulent trading activity.”

I might add that fraudulent activity extended from finance to our government as well.

In the weeks preceding 9/11, many elves on Wall Street were working into the night to make Marsh and others’ SilverStream fully operable. The software, as Grove pointed out to me, “was an internet portal framework. Panacya is AI (Artificial Intelligence). PROMIS and P-Tech are the grandparents if you will.” So let’s consider the grandparents to fully understand the power of the grandchildren. Sort of like Prescott Bush in relation to George W., Jeb, Neil and Marvin Bush.

PROMIS software (originally Prosecutor Management Intelligence System) appeared in the early 1980s. It was developed by a by a small Washington, DC, company, Inslaw Inc., and proved to be the perfect intelligence tool. Though designed for the Department of Justice to help prosecutors in case management, it hooked the attention of corrupt officials and Israeli intelligence. Subsequently stolen from Inslaw, the software was hacked and given a “trap door.” This trojan gave it the power to retrieve info for the US and Israel from the very foreign intelligence services and banks it had been sold to in some 40 countries.

The software helped the US win the Cold War against the Soviets, but also helped the Russian mafia, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden & Company and any number of spies and crooks.

In 1985 Mossad spy and British media tycoon Robert Maxwell, opened the “trap door” secret to Chinese Military Intelligence (PLA-2), at the same time selling them a copy of PROMIS for $9 million, turning it against the US. Unfortunately, in the mid-90s PLA-2 hacked the databases of Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories to cop US nuclear secrets.

The KGB also bought PROMIS from Maxwell, and also received the back door trojan to plant in a tender part of the FBI. Yes there is no honor among thieves. We also provided PROMIS to Russia and China to backdoor their intelligence, figuring the 64 federal agencies they could expose did not outweigh the many other look-sees PROMIS provided the US.

Actually, using the same PROMIS bought from Russia, Saddam and his regime shifted major money through the banking system. Some of these funds still feed Iraqi anti-coalition and resistance fighters.

Unfortunately, when Maxwell tried to extort more money from the KGB to pay off his huge corporate debts, he ended up falling off the back of a yacht into the deep blue drink, stung by a hot shot needle, this with a little help from his friends. Nevertheless PROMIS was as Michael Ruppert described in Crossing the Rubicon . . .

“ . . . software that could think, understand every major language in the world, that provided peepholes into everyone else’s computer ‘dressing rooms,’ that could insert data into computers without people’s knowledge, that could fill in blanks beyond human reasoning, and also predict what people would do ­ before they did it? You would probably use it wouldn’t you? But PROMIS is not a virus. It has to be installed as a program on the computer systems that you want to penetrate. Being as uniquely powerful as it is, this is usually not a problem. Once its power and advantages are demonstrated, most corporations, banks, or nations are eager to be a part of the 'exclusive' club that has it. And, as is becoming increasingly confirmed by sources connected to this story, especially in the worldwide banking system, not having PROMIS -- by whatever name it is offered -- can exclude you from participating in the ever more complex world of money transfers and money laundering. As an example, look at any of the symbols on the back of your ATM card. Picture your bank refusing to accept the software that made it possible to transfer funds from LA to St. Louis or from St. Louis to Rome.”

PROMIS Plus P-Tech Equal Disaster

The disaster I refer to is 9/11 . . . and is referenced in a FTW article by Jamey Hecht, with research assistance by Michael Kane and editorial comment by Michael C. Ruppert. The article is startlingly titled “PROMIS Connections to Cheney Control of 9/11 Attacks Confirmed.” It’s part of an equally startling piece “PTECH, 9/11, and USA-SAUDI TERROR -- Part 1. In it, is an interview between FTW and Wall Street whistleblower Indira Singh. Here’s a piece of it . . .

“FTW: You said at the 9/11 Citizens' Commission hearings, you mentioned -- it's on page 139 of transcript - that Ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for 2 years prior to 9/11 and their specific job was to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force, in case of an emergency [italics added].

”Indira Singh: Yes, I have a good diagram for that.

“FTW: And that relationship had been going on mediated by Ptech for 2 years prior to 9/11. You elsewhere say that the Secret Service is among the government entities that had a contract with Ptech. Mike Ruppert's thesis in Crossing the Rubicon, as you know, is that the software that was running information between FAA & NORAD was superseded by a parallel, subsuming, version of itself that was being run by the Secret Service on state of the art parallel equipment in the PEOC with a nucleus of Secret Service personnel around Cheney. In your view, might it have been the case that Cheney was using Ptech to surveil the function of the people in FAA & NORAD who wanted to do their jobs on 9/11, and then intervene to turn off the legitimate response?

“Indira Singh: Is it possible from a software point of view? Absolutely it's possible. Did he (Cheney) have such a capability? I don't know. But that's the ideal risk scenario - to have an overarching view of what's going on in data. That's exactly what I wanted for JP Morgan. You know what's ironic about this - I wanted to take my operational risk blueprint which is for an operational event going wrong and I wanted to make it generic for extreme event risk to surveil across intelligence networks. What you're describing is something that I said, 'boy if we had this in place maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.' When I was going down to DARPA and getting these guys excited about creating an extreme event risk blueprint to do this, I'm thinking of doing exactly what you're saying Cheney might have already had!

“I believe that Dick Cheney also had the ability using evolutions of the PROMIS software, to penetrate and override any other radar computer or communications system in the government.

(Mike Ruppert, in "Summation: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury," from Crossing The Rubicon, p.592.)

Also of prime importance is this second statement from the same piece . . .

“The Ptech story is a crucial piece of 9/11 because the software was used to simultaneously coordinate the FAA with NORAD and the Secret Service. But it transcends 9/11 because that terror attack is continuous with preceding decades of violent Islamic extremism epitomized in the international Muslim Brotherhood, of which al Qaeda is only one, relatively recent, incarnation.6 Worse, the Muslim Brotherhood has from its first days been linked to the Nazi party and its Swiss neo-Nazi epigones.7 Anti-Soviet projects of the CIA and the Pentagon (from 11-22-63 to the Afghan War) have long been recognized as continuous with the absorption of Nazi SS personnel into what became the CIA.8 The connection of the Bush crime family to the political economy of the Nazi movement is familiar from the excellent work of former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus and others.9 Its triangulation with the Bush-Saudi alliance forms a powerful explanatory paradigm - one to which FTW will be paying further attention in the sequel to this story.”

And in another place, FTW reports, “September 1996/ Ptech already working with the DoD’s research group DARPA: ‘Ptech, based in Cambridge, Mass., offers an integrated set of object-oriented tools that enable users to create interactive blueprints of business processes. Software code can be generated from the hierarchical layout, providing rapid and consistent application development. The [Defense] Advanced Research Projects Agency is using [Ptech’s program called] Framework to help transfer commercial software methodologies to the defense sector.”

The point of all this is aptly summed up in the “CODA: Knowledge is Power":

“The computational power of the Ptech evolution of PROMIS software represents a daunting new surveillance-and-intervention capability in the hands of the same elites who planned 9/11, prosecute the subsequent resource wars, and are presiding over what may become a full economic and military disaster for the resource-consuming citizens of America and the world. Since the ‘War On Terror’ and this coming dollar / natural gas collapse will necessitate new levels of domestic repression, this is just the capability those elites require. Ptech is Total Information Awareness . . .

“Programs based on datamining are powerful analytical tools; finding meaningful patterns in an ocean of information is very useful. But when such a tool is driven by a high-caliber artificial intelligence core [P-tech], its power gets spooky. The datamining capability becomes a smart search tool of the AI [Artificial Intelligence] program, and the system begins to learn.

“ . . . ’Neural Network’ programming is modeled on the computational techniques used by the human brain - an electrochemical computer that uses neurons instead of semiconductors; the firing or non-firing of neurons instead of ones and zeros.

With neural networking, software has become much smarter than it had been . . .

“ . . . Ptech's Framework can exploit the patterns it detects and extrapolate future probabilities. Then it can integrate itself with the computers from which it's getting the information and intervene in their functioning. The result is a tool for surveillance and intervention. The program can identify suspect streams of cash in a banking network and allow a bank officer to freeze the suspect assets. Of course, a user could direct the same program to prevent detection. It can discover salient anomalies in a person's movements through a city and either flag those anomalies for further scrutiny, or erase them from the record. And it can find errant flights in an air traffic map and initiate an intercept response. Or not.”

We seem to have arrived not only at 1984 but taken off for an unbidden future of governmental " Total Information Awareness" (TIA from DARPA) to be used in a new kind of warfare, not only on enemies, but on the people, too. For instance, IBM in a 2001 newsletter/promotion piece, boasts that “IBM Enterprise Architecture Method [is] enabled through Ptech Framework” for commercial purposes. But considering Ptech’s nasty beginning and development through financial support from a trilogy of elites, neo-Nazis plus Muslim Brotherhood forces, we should take a look back to IBM’s historic contributions to the Nazi effort on Final Solutions: How IBM Helped Automate the Nazi Death Machine in Poland by Edwin Black.

“When Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, most of the world saw a menace to humanity. But IBM saw Nazi Germany as a lucrative trading partner. Its president, Thomas J. Watson, engineered a strategic business alliance between IBM and the Reich, beginning in the first days of the Hitler regime and continuing right through World War II. This alliance catapulted Nazi Germany to become IBM's most important customer outside the U.S. IBM and the Nazis jointly designed, and IBM exclusively produced, technological solutions that enabled Hitler to accelerate and in many ways automate key aspects of his persecution of Jews, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others the Nazis considered enemies. Custom-designed, IBM-produced punch cards, sorted by IBM machines leased to the Nazis, helped organize and manage the initial identification and social expulsion of Jews and others, the confiscation of their property, their ghettoization, their deportation, and, ultimately, even their extermination”

This opening paragraph of the article from the Village Voice, March 27 - April 2, 2002, should not only give you pause, but hopefully propel you through the rest of the piece. You will see specifically how IBM of 1933 and beyond enabled the organization of the death camps -- thanks to the chairman of IBM, Thomas Watson, the New York Madison Avenue branch of IBM, the German Subsidiary, acronym “Dehomag,” and Watson Business Machines headquartered at Warsaw, continuing operation well past 1941 under German management, preserving and delivering profits on all the information-organization machines of IBM.

Here we have a military industrial complex at one of its lowest ebbs in history. Perhaps it is about to be matched in the use of various software technology and its intelligence gathering capability to initiate and implement the War on Terror vis-a-vis 9/11, the New Pearl Harbor, and in the ongoing neocon march to world hegemony. That may be the PROMIS of our future. Or do we have something to say about it as a people?

If this all seems terribly grim to you, its purpose is to help keep you aware and alive, to enjoy the beauty and power of life; and also to understand just how low sectors of humanity can sink to reach the greatest heights of political power, which inevitably ends up destroying untold numbers of innocent people around the world.

This theme is explored as well in Carolyn Baker’s FTW article, The War On You: U.S. Government Targeting of American Dissidents, Part II, provided free. It not only connects many dots but blows its whistle loud enough to wake up the most “doubting Thomas” as to what was and is being planned for the near future. My thanks to Michael Ruppert, wherever he is in the Wilderness, to have so diligently put his intelligence and life on the line to first inform us. What began as software to help prosecutors manage their intelligence data has evolved into a Big Brother Prosecutor with a super human intelligence to manage our existence through data mining.

Have a good and conscious day.

Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer living in New York. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net