Safety In Numbers

I never thought I'd be writing something like this, but after serious consideration, I think it is important to do so.

Despite how the media tries to portray us, we are a non-violent group of individuals. Considering the allegations of this movement, I think that speaks volumes. It says that even though we suspect our Government was complicit in the attacks of 9/11, and they deserve the harshest of punishments, we will not stoop to their level. As Representative Barbara Lee once said, "As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore."

With the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, any American citizen can now be considered an "Enemy Combatant", and be locked away without the hope of a fair trial.

Essentially, if the President thinks you are a threat, you can easily be removed from society.

In order for this movement to be a successful force for good, we must be unified. We must stand together, and face, together, whatever comes our way.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I have come to accept the risks involved in the work that I do. I realized long ago that this is more important than any one person, including myself.

That being said, I don't have a death wish. I want to live my life, and enjoy everything life has to offer.

If I am denied that basic right because of the work that I'm doing, I would like to know that this movement has my back. I would like to know that if I am removed from society, that the members of this movement would non-violently, and without hesitation, unleash hell.

I am requesting that there be a silent pact within this movement. Something that we are all aware of just in case something does happen, to any of us.

I know this may seem a bit paranoid, but I think I am being realistic.

I have your back. I hope you have mine.

I agree

When I first found out about 9/11 I was concerned that I was alone and felt nervous that I could be on a 'list' somewhere and being watched.

Once that initial shock waned and I recovered my senses I realised that I was was not alone and that thousands. . . millions. . . worldwide already knew. What I see is the 9/11 Truth movement crosses all ages, creeds and borders. Yet there is a common single quest, for Truth.

You Jon, and many, many others are part of the spearhead of 9/11 information, plugging away at getting this vital news out to the masses. You have countless numbers of people watching your back and growing every day.

Thanks...

And ditto.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

with you 100%

While we will always disagree on something, I think this is one thing we should all agree on. At the first sign of a real backlash against truthseekers and whistleblowers, we have to be there for each other.

"When they came for the truthers, they made their last mistake."

-Anon.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

And there you have it...

We don't have to always agree to be apart of the same team.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

"When they came for the truthers, they made their last mistake."

Jesus, I hope so.

If I knew that to be the case...

I would gift wrap myself, and deliver me to the White House.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Although...

That wouldn't have the same effect as mysterious individuals breaking down your door in the middle of the night, putting a bag over your head, and taking you off to places unknown. So never mind.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

that's the thing

The mistake wiould be for them to come after us. As ingenious as the idea is of disguising ourselves as gifts to be let into W's playroom, I think we should stick to legal stuff....

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Believe it or not...

I am not the enemy.

I don't believe John Albanese is either. John has referenced things done by Les Jamieson in the past, and I confronted him on that, and he knows how I feel about it. Through our correspondence, and through his writings, I believe him to be EXTREMELY sincere with regard to this movement.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

At the first sign of a real backlash against truthseekers and whistleblowers, we have to be there for each other.

Well?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I'm...

Asking for a truce so we can focus on better things.

I'll give you the night to think about it. The same goes for John Albanese. I'm off to watch the "Da Vinci Code."
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

accepted--i'm tired of disagreeing for now

but the next time someone insinuates that I am an anti-semite, neo -Nazi or any such thing they had better be ready to type...

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

I don't see any real backlash against truthseekers... yet.

And I hope we never do. If and when we are all in real danger for questioning the official version of events, I intend to fight for our rights. That doesn't mean that I will tolerate people distorting an argument about an important topic with incorrect information or unfounded accusations of bigotry simply because they do not like our approach to truthseeking. I find that behavior highly damaging and shill-like and anyone who persists in it will have to deal with being characterized as such if they are unwilling to comport themselves in an adult manner and admit their errors. I refuse to be strongarmed into letting inappropriate behavior slide without comment, or to be blackmailed with emotional attacks. The behavior I've witnessed from John is much too reminiscent of the other side's tactics for me to hold my tongue. If the characterization is seen by some as unfair I would hope that they could do better than you and Col. Sparks have done to reach an understanding. Instead of mediating however, you have both simply taken his side and have had nothing to say about anything he may have done wrong, except to try to explain it away. If this is to be a real movement and a real community we need higher standards than this. If this forum can't do better at eliminating BS then it will still serve a purpose, just not that of building a sense of community. But we cannot attempt to build community at any cost--that is precisely the problem with the current "politics of inclusion by denial".

I would LOVE to think that there is simply some kind of failure to communicate here, but I just haven't seen any evidence that that is the case--I see people who seem to be incapable of self-criticism and who seem to enjoy provoking conflict more than resolving it. I have tried to be civil even when disagreeing with people, but when loines are crossed there is going to be fallout. If it weren't so we would be deceiving ourselves as a group, and no group of which I form a part is going to find that easy to get away with--which is exactly why I am fighting with every ounce of my being to pull our world back from the brink of hell.

I have never been a fighter at heart--have never in my life been in a fist fight in fact. I didn't choose to be attacked on 9/11/01, nor do I choose to be attacked on this or any other forum. But 9/11 made one thing clear--while violence is to be avoided at all costs, violence is far from the opnly possible response to an attack.

After "we" were attacked on 9/11, I made it my business to fight back without violence, and what's more to win that fight--in my lifetime or beyond, it doesn't matter. Losing is simply not an option, nor in my view is it likely. Anyone who understands and agrees with what I'm saying will agree that neither my feelings nor those of John Albanese mean a goddamn thing compared to this struggle. I have no doubt that anyone who cares as much as I do about this issue is going to be in this through to the end, whether or not feelings are hurt along the way. This is the real thing--not a game. We will either all be winners or all be losers. If you can see why that is, then I'm with you. If not, I can't help you.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Sweet Talk

I am definitely with the sentiment. Jon's speaks from a higher post than most of us. After 3 days people on 911blogger might just wondering "Where's Jon"?

However, most of us here would not be missed. So if one of us is picked up tonight. How would anyone know?
Gary
911truthnc.org
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

You have a point...

I don't know what to say.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Actually...

What you could do is say something to your families... if something happens to me, make sure you make these sites aware of it, etc...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Good Idea

Mom & Dad are in their 80's. Use the web very little.
My brother is a die hard Rep. I can't stand the mutherfuker.
Kicked my girlfriend out some months ago. Can't handle a bitch who refuses to see the light.

Alone in the dark.

Jon, thanks for caring!
Gary
911truthnc.org
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Email Addresses...

Phone numbers of people in the movement, whatever...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

i think that's the right move

I don't think we should get too paranoid, but it is definitely something we should all have in the back of our minds.

but...

with Bush and Co. implementing the Military Commissions Act THIS fast, who knows...

Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.

In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that “no court, justice, or judge” can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.

 

That's...

Partly what prompted me to write this.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Why would we allow a proven liar (WMDs) & f*ck-up--like Bush...

Essentially, if the President thinks you are a threat, you can easily be removed from society.

to decide/chose who is a threat & who isn't. (It is obviously Bush & his cronies who are the greatest threats to all mankind.)

Documents Shed Light on Gov't Surveillance of Peace Activists

NEW YORK -- Documents released by the American Civil Liberties Union reveal new details of Pentagon surveillance of Americans opposed to the Iraq war, including Quakers and student groups. The documents show that the Pentagon was keeping tabs on non-violent protesters by collecting information and storing it in a military anti-terrorism database....

Documents obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that the FBI is using its Joint Terrorism Task Forces to gather extensive information about peaceful organizations. Recently, President Bush acknowledged giving explicit and secret authorization for warrantless electronic eavesdropping and physical searches by the National Security Agency. Now, there is reason to believe that the Pentagon, too, is illegally gathering and sharing private and protected information....

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/index.html

even broader unity...

We should really try to band together as many people in this--maybe some kind of network for people to collectively resist illegal actions against them (including unconstitutional acts by the illegitimate prez) I mean, I suppose we can all join the ACLU, but maybe something more specific, like a Dissident Support Network... dunno, just brainstorming--seems like we should make it clear that pulling shit will not be tolerated nor will it be successful, nor will we be intimidated.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

well, if one of their

well, if one of their intentions when implementing the new bill was to scare us it certainly worked

I'm scared, and I don't even live in the US of A.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

They Can't Disappear Us

I've been "yelling and screaming" about the Military Commissions Act to the point that my fingertips are sore. I've been hit with multiple come-backs. "Oh, SCOTUS will overturn it." (Yes, they took on the Padilla case in full, didn't they?) "Oh, it doesn't apply to US citizens..." (Padilla was a US citizen.) "Oh, they can't just disappear people... " (to which I point to the CIA renditions program that has been underway for some time now)... "Oh, you're being paranoid"... "Oh, you're nuts". Yes, just like Susan Lindauer (and if you're not familiar with her case, you should be).

Anyone notice...

The guy who threatened to put a brick to my head during Mike Berger's latest debate?


"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002