Tarpley's position on Peak Oil?

I am undecided whether Peak Oil is legit or not. Alex Jones believes it is a sham. Mike Ruppert touts it as being real. I thought I remember Tarpley calling it a fraud. But, then I watched Oil, Smoke, & Mirrors. Which he indirectly seems to support it.

Can anyone point me to a source. Where he takes a position on Peak Oil?

I always thought of "peak oil" as the best pretext that the...

upper-echelon types in our gov't could use as an excuse for going along with the 9/11 inside job.

If "peak oil" is true, we should have been spending trillions on developing alternative energies, not invading other countries & building more & more armaments that use petroleum.

Peakoil is the most

Peakoil is the most important reason for the wars and 911. They are certainly not officially using it as a pretext. Or do you think it would make the wars more OK, if they used peakoil as a pretext?

Both the Gov't and big oil are hiding the facts of peakoil. The only ones promoting it, are independent scientific experts.

We should have been spending millions? Sure, but obviously "big oil" have prevented that. They want us to stay dependent of oil whether it is plentyfull or not.

Of course they’re not

Of course they’re not promoting it "officially" because it's the phoney "unofficial" pretext that they've given to all those generals in the US military who know a bit of what really happened on 9/11. You’ve fallen for disinfo I'm afraid. Tell me if you think the planet is over populated?

only three grains of sand left

We will choke ourselves to death, looooong before we "run out" of oil in the ground. THAT is the best reason to simply find clean solutions and tech based on the concepts of efficiency.

"Peak Oil" or not (I think not), turning the tables on the Smokers would feel just great. Big Oil doesn't want that, and Big Government doesn't want that to happen to their Big Oil buds... to say nothing of how Big Gov would be SOL when people stop fighting over infinite energy as if it was the only three grains of sand left on the beach.


"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.

"Peak Oil" is perfect for

"Peak Oil" is perfect for Big Oil. They can benefit from all the artificial scarcity they've created and rightly deny that oil is running out, because of course they know it's not. Meanwhile the old Progressive force that used to truly threaten the establishment is hoodwinked by the Big Oil propaganda. It's like the most cliché scam imaginable.

I don't think that all those

I don't think that all those Generals would accept killing 3000 Americans etc to steal other peoples oil and not go public.

If I think the planet is overpopulated.? What's that got to with the subject?

No, not if they were told

No, not if they were told they were needed to "steal oil". But if they were told they were needed to "protect the American way of life"... (never you mind the part about Empire, hegemony, and economic tyranny)... so long as the whole shebang of doublethink is well managed.... Generals, Colonels and grunts alike will do all kinds of God-awful slimy shit if they are constantly told that "swarthy sand-niggers want to rape their mothers/sisters/brothers while sucking out there Christian marrow, and making them get on their knees five times a day."

No, the American soldier may yet have a decent default setting for comprehending right from wrong.... but with enough spin.... fratricide can be "justified".

Concepts of "overpopulation" are another handy-dandy mind f*cker.

"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.

Exactly man, Over Population

Exactly man, Over Population is such nonsensical bullshit. Developed nations are in population decline or are slowing. It's only in undeveloped countries where infant morality is high that people have lots of kids so that some of them at least grow up, it's a survival instinct. People in developed countries are much more comfortable and secure and so there isn’t this drive to have a massive number of kids. But even if Over Population was for real the answer would be to develop the undeveloped countries, but of course the "elite" keep their boot on the Third World so that doesn’t happen. These delusional megalomaniac muthaf*ckas needs to be taken down and 911 truth is the way to do that.

Dude man lol do you have

Dude man lol do you have anything to back up your claims other than generalized speculation with white-supremacist undertones and a video of Greg Palast?

Will you clarify what you mean by peak oil being a "scam"? Does oil production not ever peak due to natural circumstances or are you more of the "peak oil debunked" mindset, which doesn't actually debunk peak oil but just accuses anyone who promotes it of having an "agenda"?

Or are you just going to start calling me a disinfo assclown now?

Scam Land

Wait a second. Greg Palast undercovers the documents from the big oil. Indicating that the Peak Oil is a public relations scheme to prop up the price of oil. At the same time, the big oil companies have discovered my oil reserves than they want to admit to.

Surely, not everyone proclaiming Peak Oil as reality has an agenda. But seems they are certainly not informed about the other side of the issue.

1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

I think that pretty much nails Peak Oil.

BWT, BCS did you watch Alex's interview the Palast? From your comment. I get the sense you did not.
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Firstly you must know about

Firstly you must know about Northwoods, and the fact that if 911 was an inside job then of course there are going to be a certain percentage of high ranking officials in the US military who are going to know about 9/11, and have to be given a rational for it (a phoney one if the truth is enough to make them revolt). Common sense.

Secondly Peak Oil is used as another phoney justification for over population agenda. By claiming the planet's population growth is exceeding the finite natural resources, the "elite" can justify "culling the human herd" and reducing it to a number that they can rule indefinitely. "Peak Oil" is just another pretext for that, don't fall for these scams. We should just all work together to help 9/11 truth succeed and get a new investigation. "Peak Oil" is divisive if anything.

I wonder what the reason is

I wonder what the reason is you 2 guys are denying peakoil?

Some kind of religious BS in the background? Are you guys bibelthumpers?

I suppose

noboy can say peak oil is not legit overall.

But somehow different as the public view.

This view could be a very limited hang out- the positive effect of high oil prices for the Dollar Fiat Money system is hidden behind the curtain.

So there are reasons why THEY like higher oil prices, and maybe they do erverything they can to get them.

Our consumer economy relies

Our consumer economy relies upon cheap oil to pack our Super Walmarts with affordable food and merchandise. We produce nothing and have no oil..

If oil becomes increasingly exspensive the entire, fiat economy risks recession or worse. The neocons know this and they hope to ride the US for as long as possible. Hence it is important that oil be cheap.

Greg Palast: Big Oil & The Armed Madhouse

Greg Palast: Big Oil & The Armed Madhouse

Alex Jones welcomes Greg Palast live in studio to discuss high crimes and misdemeanors of the corporate elite as exposed in Palast's new bestselling book Armed Madhouse: Who's Afraid of Osama Wolf?, China Floats, Bush Sinks, The Scheme to Steal '08,No Child's Behind Left, and Other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War.

Palast covers the pre-9/11 plans to formulate policies for controlling Iraq's oil fields and the cover-up surrounding them, the deliberate plan to engender chaos in Iraq, the state of journalism in America, and the slow slide to soft dictatorship.

Palast's analysis of the peak oil scam decimates the claims of those who say black gold is on its way out of existence and it should be regulated by oil companies who in their own documents have been caught creating artificial scarcity. The role of Venezuela and Hugo Chavez in oil politics is also covered.

Greg Palast: Big Oil & The Armed Madhouse

Wow, this was amazing. I have to pull this one out front. Everyone needs to watch this!! Peak Oil is a dead issue as far as I am concerned. Now to educate those who are believers.

Bruce, I am surprised you did not respond to these 2 threads.

“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

my take on peak oil after

my take on peak oil after hearing many differing opinions (including from the sources you mentiion) is that regardless if it is a real scientific theory or not, the effects of either real/imagined oil scarcity are very real. At some point in time the oil companies or the government or both working in conjunction will use the fear of peak oil to create/control an artificial catastrophe. It will give the oil companies reason to raise the prices even more. The entire corporate economy will be at the mercy of the raising oil prices.

Exactly! We should phase out

Exactly! We should phase out from oil because it's a pollutant and there are other cleaner more efficient theologies available. We shouldn’t get of it because of some scam cooked up by the "elite" and their big oil monopoly. "Peak Oil" is the perfect disinfo IMO, it's just subtle enough to hoodwink otherwise bright people and get them parroting a divisive issue that 9/11 truth just totally does not need to succeed.


what if 9/11 is disinfo to distract us from Peak Oil (or global warming or the fact that aliens are harvesting our DNA...)?

LOL you are kidding me right

LOL you are kidding me right Casseia? Peak Oil is a ton of shit, Greg Palest would be sued to kingdom come otherwise. It was invented by Dutch Royal Shell as a result of the fact that Oil may well be finite, but we're certainly not running out of it and the stuff is everywhere. So they needed to create artificial scarcity to maintain a high price for it, and in turn maintain their monopoly etc and gobble up or put out of business smaller independent Oil companies so that those companies could never interrupt their price fixing. Peak Oil though is now also being used as a phoney justification for things like 9/11, the "war on terror" and the over population agenda. All three are elite scams, so people please don’t fall for this "Peak Oil" disinfo, just step back for a second and look at whether or not 9/11 truth needs this. To my assessment we certainly don't, it's too detrimental and divisive, and when you look at where it's coming from it’s pretty conclusive that it's a scam I think.

This "Documentary" is VERY slick. Now some said becuase Loose Change was slick and had a bit of speculation and slight bullshit in it that it could have been disinfo. I did consider that, especially with the "pod" bs in number 1, but it's flat wrong IMO those guys are genuine and just look at the tremendously positive affect that second film has had. This movie on the other hand is slick and pushing "Peak Oil", which is almost certainly an elite scam. So if I'm got to through accusations I'd say, even though this is extremely well produced and has some great people in it, this seems like a disinfo movie to me. That's just my personal take on it.

Yes, I was kidding you!

Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? Mwahahaha.

I like to tease people, but I should be more clear about it, although that's a good post you felt compelled to write to straighten me out!



I saw a video 2 days ago

I saw a video 2 days ago with Tarpley holding a lecture or promoting his book?

He mentioned the peakoil theory in passing suggesting it was a "big oil" scam.
But, I saw so many videos that day that I don't remember where I saw it.

get informed

Get ready for oil supplies to dwindle, experts warn
(2006Sep23) Aleklett, a Swedish professor of physics, sees inescapable similarities between the steady depletion of the world's most coveted energy source and the foraging habits of berry afficionados. "The goodies, the big ones, have been picked. It's true all over the world. Now we have to stick to the small ones. That means it's harder to fill the basket." ( Read further )


and, of course:

I like Tarpley and am enjoying (finding interesting) 'Synthetic Teror' but I believe Michael Ruppert is right on this and Tarpley (if he truly discounts PO) is wrong.

I believe you are wrong and

I believe you are wrong and a possible disinfo agent and the rate you try and push this crap.

(This being an evidence against us "running out";)

Chávez seeks to peg oil at $50 a barrel

· Price could see Venezuela producing for 200 years
· Country's reserves may exceed Saudi Arabia's

Mark Milner
Monday April 3, 2006
The Guardian

Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez is poised to launch a bid to transform the global politics of oil by seeking a deal with consumer countries which would lock in a price of $50 a barrel.
A long-term agreement at that price could allow Venezuela to count its huge deposits of heavy crude as part of its official reserves, which Caracas says would give it more oil than Saudi Arabia.

"We have the largest oil reserves in the world, we have oil for 200 years." Mr Chávez told the BBC's Newsnight programme in an interview to be broadcast tonight. "$50 a barrel - that's a fair price, not a high price."

(Plus this being an evidence of artificial scarcity;)

Group: Internal memos show oil companies limited refineries to drive up prices

The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR) today exposed internal oil company memos that show how the industry intentionally reduced domestic refining capacity to drive up profits, RAW STORY has learned.

The three internal memos from Mobil, Chevron and Texaco illustrate how the oil juggernauts reduced refining capacity and drove independent refiners out of business in an effort to increase prices. The highly confidential memos reveal a nationwide effort by American Petroleum Institute, the lobbying and research arm of the oil industry, to encourage major refiners to close their refineries in the mid-1990s.

(Equals "Peak Oil" is disinformation)

Peak Oil is a FACT

The existence of Peak Oil is NOT DEBATABLE as long as you
accept that oil is a finite resource that does not regenerate
itself (it may regenerate itself but over periods of time that do
not even compare with the lifetime of species).

For any finite resource which is consumed, the daily rate of
consumption will reach a maximum. That is simple
mathematics and is IRREFUTABLE.

This point is called Peak Oil in the case if oil production.

What is debatable is WHEN it will occur or HOW it will occur.

First, Peak Oil is NOT the end oil. But it is then end of the
growth of oil production. Thus it is the end of cheap oil. And
as oil is essential to many economic activities, it will
certainly imply the end of economic growth.

That is where the core problem lies (along with its
essential role in modern agriculture). Our economy NEEDS
to grow because otherwise, it cannot pay the DEBT or
the PENSION and any political decision becomes a
nightmare with a decreasing budget. Thus if it does not
grow (that is a recession), then it is bound to collapse over
a short period of time.

Now for determining then WHEN and the HOW, this is a very
difficult question because it depends on how much oil is left,
what kind of oil is left and how the wells have been
exploited in the past. A crucial oil field is the Saudi Arabia oil
field of Ghawar, far the greatest in the world which according
to M. Simmons, may have peaked or is bound to peak in the
very short term (read "Twillight in the desert"). Ghawar produces
around 5 million barrels a day, 6 percent of
global oil production, and according to Simmons, it might
collapse very brutally because it had been exploited very
efficiently through water injections. Simmons asserts that
the day Ghawar peaks, global oil production will also peak.

websites :

energy bulletin, ASPO, The oil drum

Also read "Eating fossil fuels" by Dale A. Pfeiffer

Yea but despite the fact

Yea but despite the fact that Greg Palest hasn’t been sued for laying out how Dutch Royal Shell invented the "Peak Oil" myth, you're still prepared to state total BULLSHIT as FACT? Get a f*cking clue this is a HIGHLY DIVISIVE issue and it slows the 911 truth movement down.

Do you also believe the planet is over populated?

A strange gutty reaction ...

I repeat: "Finite resource" implies "Peak in daily production"

This is as UNDENIABLE as integration theory in mathematics.
I mean, it is PROVABLE by mathematical methods.

You may deny that oil is a finite resource. But there is very little
ground for this. Some advance the theory of abiotic oil but it
is groundless.

What is grounded is that oil discoveries have peaked 40 years
ago and that today, only one barrel of oil is discovered for
every barrel which is produced. What is also grounded is
that US oil production has peaked in the 70s. Why would
the figure for the US (which is a geographically significant
part of the world) be different from the figure for the rest
of the world ?

For the WHEN, and the HOW, well, the IEA (International
Energy Agency) states oil will peak around 2030 but its
predictions imply a very brutal decline after the Peak
(15%/year) Some prediction we are already at peak in
a king of bumpy plateau of oil production. What is clear
is that OPEC as lowered its production levels and it is the
only set of producers that was not considered at peak

And yes, the planet cannot sustain 6.5 billion people without
oil to feed us ...

Your reaction reminds me that of people denying 9/11
was an inside job ... strange ? Have you reached the
level of bad news you can tolerate ? Are you simply in
denial ?

Winning the debate

My opinion is. Bruce is more convincing with his arguments.
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Dem Dem Dem... when will you

Dem Dem Dem... when will you ever learn?

Lets explain it slowly:

  • many wells running dry
  • no new wells


  • (if) abiotic auto-replenish = mega-years = no help


  • Money-expansion = consume-expansion
  • BUT NOT oil-expansion to fuel consume-expansion


Result: Big Fuck-up. Because expand the money supply the USA MUST DO, otherwise USA needs to pay back all it owes.

Solution: Privatise more oil

= more money creation

= war with Iraq.. formerly state-owned (saddam) oil, is now tradeable WETHER PUMPED OR NOT.

Why it works? Simply because the oil is there, AND NOW TRADABLE .. credit/loans can be leveraged against it.


Hint for your future:

Things are often so simple that the mind is repelled.


Yeah, it's very simple.

-you buy up all the refineries, creating an oligopoly of control
-you cut production in order to create artificial scarcity
-you claim that there's a oil shortage coming, and we're all in deep trouble
-you jack up the price and make record profits

It works reletively the same way in the diamond industry. Both operate within a Cartel system.

The money supply issue is null. The dollar is a fiat currency backed by nothing, and is printed on a whim, it's in no way dictated by the demands of actual economic cause and effect occurances.

Timothy, an economist...

Timothy, an economist...

economists are always wrong.

> The money supply issue is null. The dollar is a fiat
> currency backed by nothing

No major currency on this earth is backed by anything but trust.

> and is printed on a whim,


"Trust" me

"No major currency on this earth is backed by anything but trust."

How does this do anything but validate my point? I would classify it more as an illusion of trust.

Also, it is printed on a whim, and it will be done even more freely now that the records pertaining to how much money is being printed is now going to be held secret and not released to the public. Here's a link to the federal reserve web site explaining it.


FED up

The bottom line is that congress needs to control the money supply. Not a private corporation whom's interest is to make a profit.

I am hoping the fact that people are talking about these issues more openly. Is a sign humanity is progressing out of its willful ignorance.

“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Go Timothy

Sounds like the same racket the FED pulls on our money supply as well.
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Peak Oil

Here's a good summary of the peak oil fraud.


There are links throughout the article to follow up on.

The Oil Sands Of Alberta, Canada (CBS News)

"There’s an oil boom going on right now. Not in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or any of those places, but 600 miles north of Montana."... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml