9/11: Press For Truth Screening, Cherry Hill, NJ - 11/4/2006 - Video Inside
Jon Gold Sun, 11/05/2006 - 10:10pm
Here is footage of presentations given by Executive Producers Kyle Hence, and Rory O'Connor as well as Phil Berg Esq. The presentations are followed by a Q&A session that includes me. There is also an interview in the beginning from a WWII Veteran and a Vietnam Veteran. This is a little over an hour.
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Thanks Jon-- Reports from
Thanks Jon-- Reports from the trenches, that's what we need.
"Either they made it happen or they let it happen, and if they let it happen--they MADE it happen."
Couldn't have said it better.
No Problem...
It was fun.
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Thanks Jon
It's these kinds of videos I love the most, the ones that show the grass roots effort of our movement.
It shows others what they can do in their neighborhood.
MikeJr
Me to...
You can watch me and Rory have a "disagreement." Oooooooh...
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has Phil Berg ever explained
has Phil Berg ever explained what happened with his lawsuits? many people think that he sabotaged them on purpose and that hes a plant. i dont agree, but i would like to hear his side of the story.
Apparently...
Ellen dropped him for reasons unknown (I don't know them), and supposedly Willie Rodriquez dumped him because of a movie he's going to be in? I don't know. He says he's supposedly got another client ready to file a Rico suit.
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cool, thanks. i was under
cool, thanks. i was under the impression that WIllie dropped him because he thought he was a "ringer". i didnt hear about the movie though. thats kind of wierd. what did you think of Berg? seem like he was on the up and up?
I like Phil...
He's a nice enough guy. As to whether he's on the "up and up", I don't know. I assume that he is, but I could be wrong. I don't "investigate" members of the movement.
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hahaha, it was just a
hahaha, it was just a question man, calm down, i wasnt asking you to pull a Nico,haha. should we not be at least a little bit skeptical of people like Berg who are in a position to cause major waves for or against 9/11 truth? hes a lawyer, just remember that.
I wasn't...
uncalm... Just making a point. I trust very few individuals within this movement. To the point where I rely on myself for a lot of information. In other words, I'm "skeptical" of everybody until they earn my trust.
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This is a very important movie
In my opinion this film has not gotten a fraction of the attention it deserves. With the endorsement of the victim's families it could, and should, be one of our most poweful tools for educating people.
As some of you may already know I announced a 9/11 Film Retropsective for the IFC Center in NYC. I was hoping to premier with this film - and an updated version of my own. But, it is beginning to look like the financing is not going to come through in time - which is a shame because it really would only take several thousand dollars to accomplish this.
IFC is a very high profile venue - and i think it would be huge for the movement to have a 9/11 Truth film showing there. Who knows - maybe it still will.
Agreed...
It's described as "LIHOP" or "Limited-Hangout", and it is neither. It tells the story that got most of us interested, and it does so through the families. What more could you ask for? To me, if you show this movie first to anyone, you can then show them any other movie, and not come across as "crazy" or as a "conspiracy theorist."
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OK...this film has value, but....
....it is also problematic.....
On the one hand, it gives voice to the Jersey Girls and Paul Thompson (both of whom I hold in very high esteem) like no other film. And it has excellent production values. It might be the best, first (and I emphasize first) movie to give to the uninitiated who are between 30 and 50, especially women (I have other preferrable 9/11 films for first-timers who fit other demographics).
But it focuses on the "Pakistan connection", such as it is, at the expense of American, Israeli, and British complicity. (Personally, I think the Pakistanis are being set up to take a fall if the American public wakes up).
That is why I describe this film as a "limited hang-out" (it's still "blame brown people/Muslims, etc.). Even though I do give this movie out...but never do I give it out without giving other films to watch afterwards.
Again, Jon...I don't want to argue with you about this...our time is better spent...just want to express this viewpoint.....
im glad im not the only that
im glad im not the only that thinks that about Pakistan. all these people who say Pakistan is the holy grail need to realize that. im not saying ingore Pakistan like many wrongly ignore Israels role, but it is NOT the holy grail.
I think the value of PFT is in its exposé on the Commission
It does a great job of 1) showing that Bush & Cheney did not want 9/11 investigated. 2) Once created the Commission was compromised with the appointment of Zelikow. and 3) Victims' families rejected the Commission and its report.
These are all important things for people to know, and I would LOVE to see those issues included in such depth in a MIHOP documentary (anyone know what comes after Planes and Hijackers in 9/11 Mysteries? Is it The Cover Up - And Whodunit?)
Pakistan is most definitely being set up to take the fall, with Bush coming off as maybe having known. That is PLAN B - the official "alternative conspiracy" theory that adherents of the Mommy Party will be allowed to speculate on while the Daddy Party defends its scion. If PLAN B succeeds, then yes, the brown bogeyman lives, al Qaeda was Pakistan all along, Hillary effects regime change there and brings the Islamic Bomb under western control, and nothing much changes.
Anyone who persists in asking about the Dancing Israelis or Israeli spying before and after 9/11 will just be showing how anti-semitic they are for not accepting that it was evil Pakistan all along that somehow made building 7 and the towers collapse. It will be noted that yes, SOME people had INITIALLY believed the buildings were demolished, but they turned out to be insane followers of the "discredited" Steven Jones.
Think narrative, folks--that's how this is all done. Whenever possible, suss out the narrative being woven before it is made public, and actively work to undermine it by pre-empting its release with the TRUTH, the WHOLE TRUTH, and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
How...
On Earth could Pakistan be set up to take the fall when we gave them a chance to "cooperate and participate" from the very beginning? With full knowledge of their involvement? Since 9/11, they have become one of our partners in the "War On Terror", and have received billions in aid, as well as the sale of several American made weapons, and F-16's, etc... if anything, they are a partner in crime. I just don't see it... if a schmuck such as myself can find Pakistan's involvement with 9/11, it's safe to assume our Government is aware as well. Yet, they have been our bestus buddies, and have continually been protected by the powers that be. If Pakistan goes down, then so do elements within the U.S. Government.
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Our government hangs fomer partners out to dry....
all the time...Saddam is one of those....
My impression (and it is only that), is that Pakistan was blackmailed and bribed to be our partner in Middle East domination from the beginning. ("Go along and there are all these benefits, don't, and.......") You get the idea.
The $100,000 transfer to Atta just seems so clumsy and obvious. Funny how we can trace that, and publicize it, so easliy, but not the pre-attack insider trading.
By "take a fall"....I mean only if it becomes necessary.....
BTW, you're hardly a schmuck. :)
So clumsy and obvious...
That Thomas Kean denied any knowledge of it, even though it was one of the questions submitted by the family members? If Omar Sheikh's MI6, and CIA connections are brought up in a new investigation, then again, the U.S. falls right alongside Pakistan.
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I don't want the U.S. to fall
I would prefer if those who have infiltrated and corrupted our government to fall. Of course the CIA are no angels, but do you really think George Tenet dreamed up the 9/11 fraud? It is very clear that hawkish pro-Israel interests were involved - it's just like "Osama" said--someone wanted to make the new century one of conflict between Christians and Muslims. Or the whole world and Muslims, really.
Plus the number of people who don't even wait for me to open my mouth before calling me an anti-semitic jew hater tell me that some people (not Pakistanis) are a wee bit too defensive these days.
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
No.
I don't think George Tenet dreamed up the 9/11 fraud. I think it's possible he participated in it in some way.
Do you really think I want the U.S. to fall, or that my statement was referring to those elements within the U.S. Government who were complicit in the attacks?
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No I don't, but your choice of words was unfortunate!
I agree Tenet had some role to play, whether or not it was an "offer he couldn't refuse" is not clear.
In the end I think there were those who made it happen AND those who let it happen because they were either too scared or too bribed to do anything to stop it. Who made it happen is the question, and I think some people from Pakistan probably helped cretae the coverstory, while some people in the U.S. and some people in Israel had more direct involvement. Some people in Saudi Arabia too probably, and perhaps even Turkey and who knows where else. The question we keep dancing around is why was it done--what was the intended effect--who was it supposed to benefit--who has profitted?
I think the answers to these questions can only become known with a full accounting of what happened. The Jersey girls will someday have to drop LIHOP or their credibility will be shot--I hope they have it in them, and do it soon.
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Remember that was revealed by the Times of India
And you know how much India LOOOOOVES Pakistan!
And what was the nature of that wire transfer anyway? PayPal? Western Union? What was the money for? Does anyone besides the Times of India corroborate the story?
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
How about...
The FBI?
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leverage. Pakistan knows it
leverage. Pakistan knows it has to "cooperate" with the "war on terror" when the FBI holds something like that over their heads.
the FBI?
And we should trust their investigation into this why?
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Because...
There just happen to be good people who work in ALL of the alphabet organizations of our Government. Unless, of course, you want to consider everything a "Conspiracy." If that's the case, we have no idea what happened at all.
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Not sure what you mean, Jon
Of course they have been partners in crime--the question is were they junior partners or senior, and how far up (did Musharraf know or just get stuck with the fallout from the ISI's covert ops)
Since we know that planes&hijackers were more distraction than destruction, how does that place Pakistan anywhere near the scene of the actual crime--the demolition of three buildings and murder of 2000+ people in them?
What if someone said "If Israel goes down, then so do elements of the U.S. government, PLUS Larry Silverstein, PLUS a bunch of Israeli spies, etc. etc."
Doesn't that also make sense? In fact maybe even more sense than if we replace Israel with Pakistan in that sentence?
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Friends don't let friends leave sexist assumptions
unexamined.
"to give to the uninitiated who are between 30 and 50, especially women"
Aaaaagh! Ack! Ack! Urrrrgggh.
You aren't the first person to make this statement here, but I ask you to re-examine it before making it again. I'm smack-dab in the middle of your demographic, and it was Steven Jones' research that piqued my interest. I'm not particularly geeky, either. It's just a lame generalization. PFT appeals to a lot of people.
but surely women especially can sympathize with the Jersey Girls
I mean, the Jersey WOMEN!! ;)
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Different approaches appeal to different people....
....if I said Loose Change was especially effective with the under-30 crowd, or David Ray Griffin's films are good for the over-50 crowd...does that one "ageist"?
Or that Alex Jones and Terrorstorm might be effective with blue-collar conservatives....?
I'm grateful we have so many ways to bring different people into to the movement. I try to give the first-timers the movie that seems to be best geared to that person. Just a personal effort on my part; very subjective.
PFT gives emphasis to the human element, the human cost of 9/11, that other films don't. Forgive me if I thought that approach might appeal to women. Yeah, it's a generalization, and I'm the first to admit there are exceptions, but it wasn't meant derogatorily.
Chill.
What's the best movie to give to African-Americans?
It's not a question of "chilling" and you don't need to get defensive. It's also not a question of being derogatory nor do you need my forgiveness.
I'm just asking you to re-examine a generalization that seems weak and counterproductive to me. The other generalizations that you have mentioned don't work in my experience either -- I don't think it's too much to ask that you actually take the individual into account when you're determining which approach to start with.
"Monty Python and the Holy Grail"....
....since you asked....
I give that to everybody.
Actually, I prefer "Life of Brian"
All that stuff about the Judean People's Front and People's Front of Judea cracks me up every time.
You don't mention the Judean
You don't mention the Judean Popular Front, SPLITTER! So what IS your agenda, REALLY?
Seriously, I understand your response to the "women" comment; trust me I do not take any shite in real life that suggests I'm being judged because of my ovaries. But there is a very specific reason why: because most things labeled as "women's interests" are, in this culture, a sign of weakness.
This is a paragdim I rejected utterly in my early teens. (It helped being raised with boys) As a result I agressivly sought out the skills and resources that are not considered "women's interests". I deadlift 245 pounds. People do not fuck with me on the street. It allows me to actually be a nicer person. Some of them think I'm a man, boy or lesbian, but as long as I'm getting some, I don't care.
For all you guys who fell asleep a couple of paragraphs back, you NEED to understand that until the dominant culture stops teaching that "women's interests" are a sign of weakness, you will get this response from someone when you say anything that labels non-sex specific info as "for women". This response is mostly subconscious; nobody likes to feel they're being called a weakling.
Personally, casseia, I did not feel altruist's comment needed to be confronted, but that's me. We all have to do what we think is right in the moment, so you go girl. But I try to pick my battles: is this person trying to put me down or are they refering to cultural trends and being a little lazy?
For you guys, if you get challenged, use your own judgement as to whether yoiu have a problem or a miscommunicatiion. But understand, the source of this tetchiness is the dominant (and mostly subconscious) assumtion that women's interests are the interests of the weak.
Okay, I'm bored. Any trolls around that need a kicking?
Not a "confrontation"
Great post.
When I put it in terms of the "friends don't let friends" meme, I really meant it. I don't think for a minute that altruist was trying to put me down, I'm just suggesting he (?) was making an unwise generalization. The poster Little Pipe did exactly the same thing in another thread and we had a friendly exchange. That's what I expected this would be.
I also pick my "battles." altruist is a thoughtful poster with whom I often agree, therefore I figured he'd be open to some feedback. Otherwise, I would simply have asked him to go fuck himself.
As for whether his comment needed to be "confronted," I made a decision a long time ago that I wasn't going to let sexist or homophobic remarks slide on this board. This is not particularly comfortable for me or for anyone I address, but tough shit.
Anyway, thank you for a thoughful post -- and your line about "as long as I'm getting some" was classic.
BTW, why would anyone mistake you for a man?
LOL!!!!!
So this is a geek-fest, innit?
Cheers for the picture, though you've probably guessed I don't quite look EXACTLY like my nom-de--blog, but then who does?
Can't wait to see what the little trolls make of this...
"Bugger this; I want a better world."
Gz, Jon It's getting scary
Gz, Jon
It's getting scary how often I agree with what you write :) good work keep it up.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Damn
Damn, I wish I knew about this. I would have been there - just a few miles away.
Doooood...
I posted it... and I think it was listed in the events section. Oh well. Sorry you missed it.
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Video Google...
I would like to do this again. Is there anyone in my area (Philadelphia) that would like to help me set this up at a library or something?
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