loose change
damien3.0 Thu, 11/16/2006 - 7:13am
i am relatively new to the 911 truth debate. i was inspired by the movie Loose Change. i watched it for the first time two days ago and have seen it again since. i am a little confused. why, if everyone seemingly knows that it was staged, is there not a public outcry.
i must mention that i am not american and therefore have no experience living under your government.
the evidence presented seems to me to at least warrant an investigation. Bill Clinton almost hung for cheating on his wife, and GWB goes off the reservation completely with absolutely no consequence.
help me understand what is happening south of the border.
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Review of Loose Change
There are a few problems with Loose Change, many of which are outlined here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
In my opinion this review is not perfect, but it is the best one I've yet seen.
To help you gauge the review, you might want to visit the website run by the review's author, which you can find here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
"dishonest and full of lies."?
What if it was just made by young, but well intentioned kids (who can blame them for not Knowing All, and doing their God's honest best to overcome one seriously f'ed up school system?)
I have on good information, that the Final Cut will be wisely influenced by the loving hand of our trusted David Ray Griffin. Is that just news to me?
What do you think of dem apples, James?
e
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
Youth
It is not a matter of "knowing all", it is a matter of being intentionally dishonest. Quote mining, selective use of evidence, intentionally using unreliable sources like neo-nazi newspapers, the list goes on... The first website I posted above was made by a 17 year old, and yet he has managed to be more complete and more honest than his elders. Age may be a factor, but it is not the problem.
You're being intentionally dishonest right now!
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Snazzy System
Snazzy little system you all got here, if someone says something unpopular you can hide it. I'm not listening, lalalalalala!
Well I am outta here, back to reality.
Right, it is a Snazzy System....
You've just had your gain dial turned down....
At least you haven't been censored completely. Do you understand the difference?
e
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
By comparison.....
I don't know if you're being intentional dishonest, but give these kids a break. Look at what they've had to overcome, take a look at the examples of "media" and "honesty" they've been shown their whole lives from MSM, Government, and "out-come" based education.
These boys have been heroic if ONLY based on a comparison to their mainstream examples.
e
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
Try These 9/11 Truth Movies
The 9/11 Truth Movement does not rise and fall on the success or failure of Loose Change. Of course the movie has flaws, but you can't possibly know if those flaws are intentional. If you are displeased with Loose Change, James, why don't you simply watch one of these:
9/11 Press for Truth
Improbable Collapse
9/11 Mysteries
Do you read one newspaper, James, and decide what you believe on the basis of a single report?
Do you visit only one website for facts?
I hope you don't, and I hope you apply the same methods to the study of 9/11.
Research
Do you read one newspaper, James, and decide what you believe on the basis of a single report?
Do you visit only one website for facts?
I hope you don't, and I hope you apply the same methods to the study of 9/11.
I am a blogger on one of the most heavily trafficked 9/11 sites. I have watched just about every movie out there, read many of the books, read countless websites, listened to dozens of radio interviews, exchanged e-mails with several of the "scholars", written hundreds of posts on the subject. Exposure to alternative viewpoints is definitely one thing I definitely don't lack. They are all bunk, Loose Change is just one of the most famous examples of bunk.
Whatttttt ??
Sir, I beg to disagree. The term "full of" insinuates no truth.
It is my opinion that there is sufficient evidence presented to put reasonable doubt in the original falwed reports.
I doubt we will ever know the exact details but don't blame then for trying.
I find Loose Change to be far better than that disingenuous
review.
LC2E is 99% right-on the money, with perhaps 1% flaws.
Any reasonable person should want an entirely new investigation, at the very least, after just 1 viewing of LC2E!
Clinton was scum to be sure,
Clinton was scum to be sure, but he wasnt quite as much of a puppet as the elites would have liked. the impeachment of Bill Clinton was completely contrived because they were getting sick of him not rocking the boat. if you listen to Tarpley, the plane that crashed on the White House lawn(how could that even happen?) was a message to Clinton. i dont know if i buy that, but i see Tarpleys point. GWB is the perfect puppet, hes doing everything that "they" want so hes safe. the Dems also are more concerned with winning in 08 than they are following the laws of this country and constitution. they think if they impeach they will hurt their chances in 08. disgusting.
Great question!
Why no public outcry? First of all, everyone does not know that 911 was an inside job. Every now and then, I will bring it up casually around people I'm familiar with. I still get looks of absolute shock when I make the casual statement, "you know 911 was an inside job!" Amazing but true.
Second, the leaders of this country absolutely know that it was a staged event. So one really has to think, what would keep them from speaking out about it? My answer... FEAR.
If you think about it... if what we are saying is true (and I absolutely believe that it is), then what would stop this rogue element of the government from going after the whistle blowers? If they would kill 3,000+ of our own citizens, they will kill anybody. Yes ANYBODY! Especially those in power who dare speak out!
I am convinced that our leaders are afraid to speak out. Having said that, I also must say that this is absolutely no excuse. NONE whatsoever! Sadly the world is almost devoid of true leaders whom are willing to put their life on the line. We know what happens to leaders who speak truth to power. Think Ghandi, think MLK, think the Kennedy's, think Malcolm X. And these were all killed within the same generation.
All of these men would have been the first to speak out about the truth of 9.11. Arguably, JFK was instrumental in preventing a "9.11 type event" when he squashed the "Northwoods" operation.
9.11 TRuth is a fight that must be fought without the traditional "leader" per se. We are our own leaders now. It is incumbant upon all men (and women) of faith, courage and persistence, to be vigilant and strong. I believe we can do it. I believe we MUST do it! Our kids are counting on us to do it. To do something!
Hear here....
This above from Chris Rose, is a fantastically accurate response to your question, damien3.0.
It IS ALL about FEAR. So, if well intentioned human beings wish NOT to be subjugated and KILLED by the monstrously bent minds within some of our brethren, We the People MUST overcome our fears.
Erin
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
The Fear
The Fear
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106Fear.htm
Very Good but don't forget the insurance claims
Very Good but don't forget the insurance claims that were filed and the court papers that include the "Official Commission Report" explanation as the cause for the damages. Both FEMA & NIST published reports to support those claims.
Mr. Silverstein has been able to collect on misleading, if not outright fraudulent, insurance claims and court documents.
I am very surprised that the usually very thorough insurance companies did not do any independent investigations, yet they have approved the claims.
Loose Change
How can you say there is no public outcry, when 9/11 truthers flood the streets of Downtown NYC on 9/11/2006 and the Republicans just got kicked out of power??
You can't go by what you see on major TV networks, they're mostly controlled by Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner (no friends of the 9/11 truth movement).
There IS a massive public outcry on 9/11 Truth and Loose Change IS a big part of it....Just wait till Loose Change hits theaters in 2007, I think we're gonna see something that not even mainstream networks will be able to hide from.
REBUILD !!
REBUILD
When we make this happen.... and we bring these people to justice.... We are going to need a plan to do just that...
Rebuilding this Republic is going to require on hell of a plan.... and it will not be accomplished by one man or woman.
We are going to need a plan and it may require a completely revamped political system
We definitely need to clean house.... it would take all of five minuites to get the lobbiests out of Washington.
It amy take a few years to clean up all of the corrupted legislation that has been dreamed up over the past 40 years.... but we can start by X-ing all of GWB's garbage.
Since you brought up Bill Clinton,
here's a couple of quick facts that explains a lot of what's going on here:
1. During the impeachment hearings, when Congress was controlled by Republicans, $100 million was spent on the investigation into the Clinton affair.
2. Fast forward to 2002-2003, when the independent investigation into 911 began (with Republicans controlling all three branches of government).
As you are aware, 911 was a pivotal event in American history and was used by the Bush administration to lead us into war with Iraq.
And so, to make sure they got to the bottom of things so they could find out how to better "protect the American people," the White House grudgingly allowed $13 million for the 911 Commission Investigation budget.
Now, let's think about this. We have a paltry $13 million to investigate what all the pundits and politicians refer to as the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor and, wrongly, as justification for the Iraq War. And the resulting 911 Commission Report was a sham.
And all this is kept quiet by the corporate-controlled media. That's why there's so little outrage.
Investigation into Clinton lying about his sex life: $100 million (thanks to a Republican Congress)
911 "Independent" Investigation: $13 million (thanks to a Republican administration AND Congress).
" i am a little confused.
" i am a little confused. why, if everyone seemingly knows that it was staged, is there not a public outcry."
simple answer, total complacency and apathy
if you use the same logic and transpose it over the Iraq war, 75% of people now think we should end the war, albeit not immediate pullout. Why arent those 75% of the american public outraged and protesting to stop it?
Complacentcy
People are as complacent as they are scared.... we have been whipped.... Institutionalized.
They have taken away our fight and they know it.... People in this country do not act unless the fight is on their front stoop,,,, and I'm not convinced that they would even fight at that point.
People are waking up.... they are beginning to see through the smoke.... and recently they think they achieved a victory by electing the Dems to office.
One step forward.... two steps back.
What we really need is a leader.... but leaders don't come along very often.... and when they do we all know what happens.
Unfortunately leaders don't just appear... but they can just disappear
i am personally convinced
i am personally convinced that there is only one thing that would cause a massive outcry in America with people flooding the streets in DC:
turning off all the TVs
hate to say it, but you know that would cause more action than almost anything those in power might do.
"Kill Your TV....
.... and find out what really happened to America."
Ya, that IS a tall order, and a very unsavory mixed drink. The streets would be filled and flowing with puke by morning. People would be trying to tame the hangover with Hair Of The Dog for years to come. Drying up a heroin addict would be an easy time by comparison.
e
"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.
Reality
I turned my TV off once....
Just Kidding