San Francisco Screening - 9/11 Press for Truth - Video Inside



View the Q&A between Peter Dale Scott

and Paul Thompson following the Palo Alto Premiere

Source: indybay.org

Thanks to Carol for writing this. - Jon

by Carol Brouillet ( cbrouillet [at] igc.org )
Tuesday Nov 14th, 2006 5:53 PM

Finally, the best new 9-11 documentary is being screened in San Francisco! The venue has changed. This is the film to bring the whole family to see, that crosses all boundaries, telling the story from the point of view of the families who forced a Commission on a reluctant White House, only to be betrayed by the Commission, itself.

This film really deserves a major theatrical release, particularly in San Francisco, but so far it has been premiered in large theaters in Oakland and Palo Alto, on short notice between the anniversary events and the election. The film is one to wake up those who thought the 9/11 Commission was bipartisan and thorough or who believe that there really is a “War on Terrorism” and not massive war profiteering, extension of the American Empire, and lining the coffers of the new “Surveillance Industry” moguls.

The film is a compelling personal look at the victim’s families and their struggle for the truth and accountability. This is a highly produced introduction to the events of 9/11 (9/11- 101 For Beginners). Democrat or Republican, all those who suffered from the attack and the consequences can learn from the transformative experience of the families brave enough to force a Commission upon a very reluctant White House, and who witnessed up close and personal their betrayal by a Commission that failed to acknowledge, address or answer the vast majority of their questions.

It is heartening to see them challenge and defeat Henry Kissinger, who resigned his position as chairman, because he didn’t want to answer their demands for financial disclosure. Heartbreaking is their defeat when they tried to get Philip Zelikow removed from his powerful position as Executive Director of the Commission. Zelikow, who co-authored a book with Condoleezza ’s conflict, was also an author of the “Pre-Emptive War Doctrine,”whose special interest was public myths which have a lasting effect upon populations. More and more, people are beginning to recognize the fictional quality of the 9/11 Report.

The hero of the film, Paul Thompson, who created the online masterpiece, the Complete 9/11 Timeline, and a book entitled The Terror Timeline, published by Harper Collins (2004), connects all the dots, found by the mainstream press into coherent order which paints a very different story from the one touted by the official narrative. The film focuses on mainly one aspect, a history of Al Qaeda, Pakistan’s ISI, the money man behind 9/11, his links to top government officials, and the curious escape of Al Qaeda from Afghanistan under the nose of the US government. The film raises more questions than it answers. It also shows the important role of the press and citizen activism to pressure the press, and the government, if we are to get truth, and some accountability. When the film premiered on September 7, 2006, Paul Thompson, Producer Kyle Hence, and family members held a press conference in DC demanding a genuine investigation of 9/11.

The politicians are still kicking and screaming, resisting citizen pressure to impeach and to investigate the current Administration. They could be holding off until they feel a bit more secure in their power, but they do need a push, shove, lots of encouragement from informed, active citizens, who will not let them pull the wool over their eyes, and continue on the disastrous course embarked upon in the wake of 9/11. 9/11 Press for Truth helps to shine light on what was truly “a crime” not an act of war, which merits a real investigation, not a cover-up, and demands that the criminals responsible be held accountable.

Ardent 9/11 truth activists have distributed lots of flyers and put up posters all over San Francisco about tomorrow’s showing. Please note that the venue has been changed. The film will be shown at 7:30 pm, at 584 Market Street, Suite 907 at 2nd Street, San Francisco. A $2 donation is requested. No one is ever turned away for lack of funds.

RSVP at http://pressfortruth.bravenewtheaters.com/screening/show/6137-san-francisco

See Paul Thompson's amazing Timeline at http://www.complete911timeline.org

This film will open peoples eyes

This film will open peoples eyes, Ive givin it to people that did not question the official line of BS and were critical of 911 truthers to have them return it knowing there is a cover up and that there are questions that need to be answered. We have to get it out there, Im going to try to get a public showing where I live at the towns community center. 911 truth is not dying, period.

Good...

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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Thank you, Jon

I've been saying for what seems to be too long--"911Press for Truth" is the best hope for the truth movement to reach the mainstream. When people can grasp this, "Loose Change" won't look so 'area 51' anymore.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

great stuff, thanks for the

great interview, thanks for the submission!

You're...

Welcome.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Hmmm

The Q&A gets cut off early, but I love hearing Peter Scott Dale speak. If I was to have a 9/11 conference, I'd definately want Peter Scott Dale, as well as Paul Thompson to speak, along with Sander Hicks, Webster Tarpley, Nafeez Ahmed, and Ray Mcgovern.

Peter Scott Dale has a very unique and interesting take on 9/11, which I myself consider to be the most likely take on the subject, in my 2 years of research.

Unfortunately, I just don't see the progressives out there getting Press For Truth as "word of mouth" and viral as say, the Outfoxed/Freedom To Fascism/Iraq/Voter Fraud documentaries which is a shame.

Well...

The movement could choose to push this movie more than any other... it's too "LIHOP" though (even though it's neither LIHOP or MIHOP).
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Handy reference site....

Handy reference site.... http://www.takeoverworld.info

911 Activist Chuck Newell

It was all the memory I had in my camera to take the video, so I made the best of it to share what I have, like the pictures show I put at the end with me as the caller on TruthNet Radio about my activism too Sofia and Brad, the special guest (Producers of 911 Mysteries) and Mike chambers. Here’ the like to that archive http://www.tnrlive.com/main/podcast/09292006sofianbrad.mp3

-911 Activist Chuck Newell

Come on now! This is truly disgusting!

This Is Why The Iraqis Hate Us
Another beating snuff video shames coalition of the killing, You Tube censors it

British troops punch, beat and kick pleading Iraqi children as a sadistic comrade films the brutal scenes of torture, laughing, screaming, growling and frothing like a serial killer filming a snuff movie. This is why the Iraqis hate us.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/171106hateus.htm

(Note: a lot of disturbing videos are not playing clearly for me on YouTube, Google video, etc. They are very choppy & keep stopping to re-buffer. WTF?)

Fox, 9/11, and controlled demolition

Once again Fox News is tackling the 9/11 issue. Fox News Channel is advertising a new weekend show called Planet Mancow. Advertised for this Saturday's episode, Mancow "rips into the 9/11 conspiracy." Another slogan splashed across the screen went "Bush brought down the buildings."

Yes, notice how they purposely paraphrase truth in silliest

ways possible: "Bush brought down the buildings."

Makes it sound like truthers picture Bush pushing down the plunger on a detonator box or something.

Alex Jones's producer Kevin Smith will appear....

....and "debate" an ill fireman first responder who supports the OV...obviously, they are playing an emotional card against us with regard to the audience....I'm sure Kevin did a great job (it will be heavily edited, however), but if they were being fair, they would've put one of the many 9/11 family members who suppport 9/11 Truth on opposite the fireman.

strange fireman

Amazing they found someone of the rescue workers to support them. It wouldn't be a surprise if it were one of the "passenger flight"' victims. http://www.arcticbeacon.com/6-Nov-2006.html

John, I thought you were leaving...

Is this another "Ajohnymous" test? Let's see if I pass this time. Ahem...

Wow, anonymous, that is very perceptive. Remember to cite sources, though--was this TV Guide? Anyway THANK YOU for pointing out the damage that we're doing to the movement by talking about the demolition of the world trade center complex. Clearly if we continue to push these speculative issues we are going to have more experts like "Man Cow" come down hard on us and destroy our credibility. Is it true that Man Cow has a degree in structural engineering? Because I understand that anyone who doesn't and talks about "unexplained building collapse syndrome" is not to be trusted. They just don't understand that building collapses are a special field only understood by the secret cabal of structural engineers, and that until the structural engineers opine on building 7, we must wait patiently without throwing around bizarre theories that explosives had to have been involved. Much like when someone is shot, the police CANNOT BY LAW make that determination until the ballistics experts can assure them that indeed it was a bullet that was fired at the victim, and not a simple lead pellet that fell from great heights.

Instead, let us all focus on the Pakistani connection, which Fox does not dare address, for obvious reasons. For one, it would lend credence to their assurances that evil Muslims are out ta git us, and they could never have that! Also, it might risk Rupert Murdoch's friendship with the ISI and Musharraf, on which Rupert is banking to obtain a nuke for the Fox network. People don't seem to realize that the Pakistanis control the US media and that is why we haven't heard about their being caught red-handed wiring Atta his pork, booze, and stripper money.

Thanks again, Ajohnymous, for warning us to avoid any discussion of the actual cause of the buildings' collapses. If we're not careful someone might think we are playing favorites with the firefighters who died when the towers were demolished on top of them over the real heroes like Mark Bingham who fought off the evil muslim terrorists. What a travesty that would be!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Why don't you and Albanese

get a room, becuase you are obviously obsessed with the guy.

no, keep it here

when it's good stuff, good written content with some irony to top it off - keep it. I know many don't like it being thought about at all, but the 9/11 thing might well be going down the road of JFK and OJ, a discussion forever, merely a discussion, because the people in power simply don't allow any revisionism of historical events. They were there first, they manipulated it all, and it will be put into history books like edged into stone - unremovable. With this sad possibility looming (e.g. Nanci Pelosi doing no-thin about 9/11 truth whatsoever), we'll have to rely on good articles to get our daily dose of truth.

You raise an interesting point, Greg.

School boards and the history books in their curriculum.

If I learn that a fraudulent curriculum is being taught to children in my school district, I will not let that pass without complaint. There are procedures for complaining about curriculum, which have been used by the religious right to oppose the Enlightenment. We need to defend the Enlightenment by not allowing anti-scientific explanations, fraudulent explanations of the 9/11 murders to be taught in our schools.

Disruptor Alert

Ignore this guy.

Stop the Attacks

I did not post this. I'm sorry you don't like my opinions - but that does not give you the right to use these boards for character assassination - and to carry your petty little vendetta against me from board to board.

It is my intention to not participate here anymore. But, i will not allow you to keep dragging my name through the mud either.

I have no intention of posting anything here any further - whether overtly or covertly. Move on, get over it, and get a life.

maybe you'll think before lying next time

and please stop playing the victim--that is just pathetic. since you keep saying you won't post here anymore, why are you still posting here?

you have been so rude and so dishonest that I really wish you could be trusted to actually leave. but see, when you lie it has a way of following you around and making people not trust you. what did you expect would happen?

see, there's this little thing called accountability, and not only do we need it in this forum, we need it in our media and our government. I do not intend to change a single thing about how I approach the truth movement, so if you can't stand the heat (and it sure doesn't seem like you can) then get off the rubble pile.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Why...

The need to cause "heat?"
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

people cause heat by being liars

or do you suggest that we just thank people when they post pics claiming that they show aluminum when they actually show iron? And say "vewy good effort, John! It weally wooks wike awuminum but it isn't, AS YOU WELL KNOW you widdle shill!"

Is that a better approach to people who go around here lying? Is that how no-planer shills are treated? space beam shills? I say TREAT ALL SHILLS EQUALLY!! It's only fair to all the other shills.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Soooo...

John Albanese is a shill?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Uhhhhh...

Yep.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

O.K.

Do you have absolute proof of this or is it just an opinion?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I have absolute proof.

He linked to a picture of molten iron claiming it was aluminum. He was proved to be wrong (either grossly and inexplicable mistaken or lying) and did not acknowledge his mistake.

What makes someone a shill, Jon? Shill DNA? Nope. Acting like a shill. And your friend and colleague acts very much like a shill.

Now, do you have absolute proof that the no-planers or space beam or lizard people proponents are wrong, or is that your opinion? Do you have absolute proof that someone in Pakistan wired money to someone who hijacked a plane or is that your opinion?

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

It's all about...

Perspective. I'm sure there are some out there who think you may even be a shill. In regards to the picture of molten iron/aluminum, is it possible he was just mistaken, or do you know for a fact that he showed the picture with every intention of lying about it?

I have absolute proof the "no-planers" are wrong, and I, and others have posted it on several ocassions. I haven't even bothered to look into to see if David Icke is wrong or not because without even looking into it, I can virtually guarantee that he is.

In regards to Pakistan, I have proof that Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad ordered Omar Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 to the alleged lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta. Have I seen the wire transfer receipt? No. Have I spoken to Omar or Mahmoud? No. I have, however, spoken to Michael Meacher about it, and he seems to think it's true. I have listened to William Pepper who also happens to think it's true, and regarded the India paper that originally broke the story as being one of the most reputable newspapers in the world.

What does any of this have to do with your accusation that John Albanese is a shill?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

it's all good

I HOPE people are smart enough to consider that I might be a shill. And that Jon Gold might be a shill. And that John Albanese definitely IS a shill. That's what critical thinking is all about. I don't say "well, gee shucks, Jon Gold'll vouch for Albanese--he MUST be legit" because I can very well judge John Albanese's claims on their lack of merit without the endorsement, no offense.

What it all has to do with my declarative statement of Albanese's shilldom is that you seem to think that without absolute proof one cannot claim to know anything. Yet as you have made very clear, you believe you have proof of things that may well be false. You trust a few people you've never met, you believe in the integrity of an Indian newspaper when the subject in question reflects negatively on Pakistan (like quoting the Jerusalem Post on issues regarding Palestinians--very astute there!)

You claim to have absolute proof that the no-planers are wrong, what is it? As unlikely as their claims are, where is the ABSOLUTE proof? When Albanese links to a picture claiming it is something that it is not, we have a choice--John Albanese is a sloppy researcher, or John Albanese is over eager to prove his false claims, or John Albanese just isn't too bright.

I think the most charitable explanation is that he is indeed a dishonest person who is trying to discourage people from promoting the facts about controlled demolition of the WTC complex. SUE ME if I'm wrong. In fact, we should all be sued for accusing anyone other than al Qaeda of pulling off 9/11. You know why we aren't? Because the people we are accusing know they would never win. They would have to prove that we are intentionally lying about them. We will argue that even if what we are saying turns out not to be true (the first requirement for them to win their case) there exists enough reason to argue that we were honestly mistaken--not maliciously targeting them with lies.

I will continue to call em like I see em, just like we do with no planers and space beam shills. Go ahead and disagree--this is a free country and a free forum. I look forward to the debate!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

I have just one wish: That

I have just one wish:

That you and Albanese would just STFU already. I don't come hear to read 100's of your bullshit arguments. Seems to me some people here have large ego's that make them think people actually give a shit about what they have to say. If you have something useful to say then add a comment, otherwise just STFU and go do something useful. I've seen each of you post stuff that I have appreciated, but this crap is just a waste of time.

You...

Are correct.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I think these are legitimate discussions about the nature of the

truth movement. and quite frankly, I don't care what you come to read here, especially with your STFUs in tow. So whoever you are, please take your own advice and go do something useful. And try not to curse so much, it's bad for your heart!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Real Truther

I usually enjoy your blogs but you are proving yourself to be a real asshole.

isn't that precisely why I'm being accused of all kins of things

to provoke me into striking back and opening myself up to accusations of being a meanie? Isn't that a common shill tactic? Provoke then point? Heck, isn't that a common IDF tactic against the Palestinians? I'm not here to be loved, or to make friends, or to kiss anyones ass or have my ass kissed. I'm here to participate in an important dialogue that sometimes involves setting people straight. Call me whatever you want--I doubt I'll be shocked--remember, I'm a REAL truther, who routinely gets attacked verbally in public by shills. I have absolutely no qualms dealing with crap like this--it's in the job description. Also in the job description is standing up to cliques of mutual supporters and not backing down when challenged. To each truther his or her own! That includes what version of the truth you choose to promote. If you choose to promote things that aren't popular, like focusing on Pakistan, don't blame me and fault me for focusing on the issues most people find most important, like controlled demolition and israeli involvement. I can understand that you don't like the fact that you are in the minority, but that doesn't mean I'm going to affirmative action your views to be equally valid as those promoted by most people in the movement. This is a free marketplace of ideas and your product is, well, not so fresh. So you bad mouth mine. And when you do that, I have no choice but to point out the obvious--you are trying to distract attention from the low quality of your own wares, "Anonymous".

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Ok Real Truther...

I HOPE people are smart enough to consider that I might be a shill. And that Jon Gold might be a shill. And that John Albanese definitely IS a shill. That's what critical thinking is all about. I don't say "well, gee shucks, Jon Gold'll vouch for Albanese--he MUST be legit" because I can very well judge John Albanese's claims on their lack of merit without the endorsement, no offense.

There you go again, referencing John Albanese as "definitely" being a shill, even though this individual uses his own name on these boards, and has created one of the best 9/11 Truth movies in existence. What's your real name "Real Truther", and why do you refuse to use it? Sounds rather "shillish" to me.

What it all has to do with my declarative statement of Albanese's shilldom is that you seem to think that without absolute proof one cannot claim to know anything. Yet as you have made very clear, you believe you have proof of things that may well be false. You trust a few people you've never met, you believe in the integrity of an Indian newspaper when the subject in question reflects negatively on Pakistan (like quoting the Jerusalem Post on issues regarding Palestinians--very astute there!)

You seem to forget the FBI authenticated what they were saying, but I guess inconvenient facts such as those escape you. Or that Bill Doyle claims he was told by a source that part of the redacted pages in the Joint Congressional Inquiry talked about funds being sent from the U.S. to Pakistan. Or that Marianne Pearl suspects that her husband was beheaded because he was on the trail of the wire transfer. Nah, let's not talk about Pakistan's obvious involvement. Let's talk about Israel, and their not so obvious involvement instead.

You claim to have absolute proof that the no-planers are wrong, what is it? As unlikely as their claims are, where is the ABSOLUTE proof? When Albanese links to a picture claiming it is something that it is not, we have a choice--John Albanese is a sloppy researcher, or John Albanese is over eager to prove his false claims, or John Albanese just isn't too bright.

I'm not about to post my "absolute" proof that the no-planers are wrong because I've done it 100x already, and you are more than welcome to search this board for those postings. As far as what John's intentions were for posting that picture, that's something he'll have to answer. However, I don't think he's a sloppy researcher, I don't think he's over eager to prove his "false claims", and I happen to think John is very bright.

I think the most charitable explanation is that he is indeed a dishonest person who is trying to discourage people from promoting the facts about controlled demolition of the WTC complex. SUE ME if I'm wrong. In fact, we should all be sued for accusing anyone other than al Qaeda of pulling off 9/11. You know why we aren't? Because the people we are accusing know they would never win. They would have to prove that we are intentionally lying about them. We will argue that even if what we are saying turns out not to be true (the first requirement for them to win their case) there exists enough reason to argue that we were honestly mistaken--not maliciously targeting them with lies.

I will continue to call em like I see em, just like we do with no planers and space beam shills. Go ahead and disagree--this is a free country and a free forum. I look forward to the debate!

You call 'em like you see 'em. I will do the same.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

You know what?

I'm done. I'm not about to start my weekend off on a sour note. You win Real Truther. I concede defeat. You are the better man. Congratulations.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Real Truther

I posted the source of that picture now - including the message board it was discussed on - and the context in which it was discussed.

so what's the problem now?

how do you NOW explain that picture? You CLAIMED it was proven wrong. SHOW US THE PROOF YOU LITTLE SHIT.

I HAVE PUT MY FUCKING LIFE ON THE LINE ADVOCATING MY FILM AND VIGILS AT GROUND ZERO in 2003 WHILE YOU WERE STILL SITTING IN YOUR OWN SHIT. I HAVE BEEN SPIT ON FOR HOLDING UP SIGNS THAT SAID "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB."

PUT YOUR FUCKING MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. PROVE THAT PICTURE IS NOT ALUMINUM AS WAS CLEARLY LABELED ON THE WEBSITE.

WHAT GIVES YOU THE FUCKING RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO DESTROY MY REPUTATION AND THE SAFETY OF MY WIFE AND MY SELF BY PUBLICALLY LABELING US SHILLS? I'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF MY OWN MONEY TO RENT THEATERS AND PROMOTE MY FILM. MY FILM RECEIVED RAVE REVIEWS. IT MADE THE GOOGLE TOP 100 LIST. cURT WELDON SITED IT IN TWO PRESS RELEASES,, IT IS PLAYING IN EUROPE AND TRANSLATED INTO MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER DONE OTHER THAN TROLL THESE BOARDS AND MAKE A COMPLETE JACKASS OF YOURSELF.

THESE PERSONAL ACCUSATIONS VIOLATE THE TERMS OF THIS BOARD AND BASIC DECENCY. YOU ARE A SCHMUCK WHO MAKES THIS ENTIRE MOVEMENT APPEAR TO BE POPULATED BY ADOLESCENT TIN-FOIL-HAT IDIOTS.

EVERY ATTEMPT TO REASON WITH YOU IN A CALM AND REASONED WAY IS REJECTED - AND YOU JUST CONTINUE WITH YOUR SHRILL HYSTERICAL CRY-BABY ROUTINE.

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY ASS AND STOP SNIFFING MY SHIT BEFORE I SLAP YOU LIKE THE BITCH YOU ARE.

wow, someone just busted a hemorrhoid...

THESE PERSONAL ACCUSATIONS VIOLATE THE TERMS OF THIS BOARD AND BASIC DECENCY.

I assume you're referring to your personal accusations against me there. And I never mentioned your wife.

I don't have to tell you what I've done and if you want people to believe that all I've done is troll these sites then you'll have to have all my posts deleted because anyone can read through them to find out what I've done.

Since you clearly don't intend to leave as you said you were going to, I will simply ignore you for the time being, since outbursts like these are hurting the movement, in my opinion.

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

You are the one

posting post after post after post calling me a government shill.

i even offered to just LEAVE.

but you won't stop. YOU SEEM INTENT ON SMEARING ME NONSTOP ON BOARDS THAT I AM NOT EVEN POSTING ON.

MY WIFE ATTEMPTED SUICIDE 3 TIMES AFTER WHAT WE WITNESSED ON 9/11. EVERYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS. ASK ANYONE IN THE ny MOVEMENT.

I JUST HAD AN ANGIOSPLATY ON MY CORONARY ARTERY 2 MONTHS AGO. I HAVE HEART DISEASE AND MAY SPEND THANKSGIVING IN A HOSPITAL. EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS TOO.

BUT I AM STILL FIGHTING FOR THIS CAUSE AND TO GET MY NEXT FILM MADE.

I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS CAUSE FOR YEARS. I AM NOT A COWARD WHO HIDES BEHIND A FAKE NAME LIKE YOU - SO WHEN YOU PUBLICLY POST LIES ABOUT ME BEING A GOVERNMENT AGENT IT IMPACTS MY LIFE AND THE LIFE OF MY WIFE AND FAMILY. HAVE YOU NO FUCKING DECENCY YOU UTTER PIECE OF SHIT?

YOU ARE AN UTTER PIECE OF SHIT.

YEAH - CONGRATS - I AM BLOWING MY STACK. JUST WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO MAKE THESE JUDGEMENTS ABOUT SOMEONE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW? BECAUSE I CHALLENGED YOUR PATHETIC BELIEFS?

YOUR ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME ARE OUT OF LINE AND I WILL TAKE ACTION. NOW YOU HAVE SUCCEEDED IN PISSING ME OFF AND I WILL HOLD YOU AND 911BLOGGER RESPONSIBLE FOR SLANDER.

I ADVISE YOU TO WALK AWAY. JUST WALK AWAY. DO NOT POST ANOTHER POST ABOUT ME - MY WORK - MY BELIEFS - OR MY INTENTIONS. I AM FULLY CAPABLE OF TAKING THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY. WE HAVE ENOUGH ENEMIES WITHOUT YOU FINGERING ME LIKE THE JUDAS YOU ARE

This is what it is about...

We have to stop arguing and dividing ourselves. How it happened doesn't matter any more. We are all here because we know our government with the help of many others orchestrated 9/11 and murdered 3,000 people. We have to stop arguing. I am guilty myself because I get so fucking pissed off about this, but we must stand together as a group who believe one thing and one thing only...there must be justice for the dead and there must be justice for the grieving families and the children. We are here because we know a force more evil than we can imagine orchestrated 9/11 for financial gain. Truce people, lets reach a truce.

you are unstable dude.

I never said you were a government shill, just a shill. Look it up in a dictionary before you call your lawyer.

You called me an anti-semite--was that called for? Do you think that makes me smile and chuckle? Do you know how many times the same shit has been pulled on me in public? Why are YOU so unique in your suffering? If you would simply stop insulting me I will cease to mention you. And tell your buddy Jon to also drop it if he oesn't want to hear me explain yet again why I am accusing you of being dishonest.

Do you think I'm going to be intimidated by you or anyone else at this point? Go ahead and wear out your CAPS button. Go ahead and threaten me. Do whatever makes you feel better--might I suggest a break from blogging? Getting off the computer and taking a walk and getting some fresh air? If the movement has you this stressed out you really should take a break because you are helping no one by flying off the handle like this because you can dish it out but not take it.

By the way, slander is oral, libel is written (for when you take it to the next level.)

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Shill: A shill player is a

Shill: A shill player is a who is paid by the house and plays with the house money, and to accuse someone of being a shill in this context is to accuse them of being in the employ of the Shadow Government.

The big difference between you accusation that Albanese is a shill and his accusation that you're an anti-semite is that the evidence of your anti-semitism can be found in the words and targets you choose. Your labelling of Silverstein as a "Zionist Landlord" is a clear example. Zionism is indeed quite a different thing from Judaism, but it can also be used as code, as a barely passable way to hurl anti-semitism with some plausible denialablity. No evidence exists that Albanese is a shill. There is only evidence that he is wary of the CD hypothesis, that he is more skeptical of aspects of the story than may even be necessary, but that isn't evidence of any secret relationship with the conspirators whoever they may be.

I admit it

I was trained to be a shill by a top secret organization of neo-cons that kidnapped me as a child. I was raised in Rangoon where i learned how to compete in the luge at a championship level - and, of course, to be a 9/11 "shill". I spent most of my adult life on the French Riviera being a shill and playing Baccarat professionally.

(insert James Bond music here)

Ever...

Come across Jeff Gannon? ;)
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

yes

we met at the White House in the 1980s turning tricks for treats.

Heh

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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

"Why the need to cause "heat?"

Cheers, Jon.

I go away for a week to make a living(landscaping, cleaning gutters) and I come back to weirdness and drama--among suposed allies.

Do we NEED trolls to stay focused?

I don't know what problems "Truthie" and "Albie" have, but I do know from experience Real Truther has a habit of skimming what you read and then attacking you for something he basically agrees with. I don't think he's a shill; he just needs to grow up and stop looking for fights. We've got enough without making them.

I'll guess the other Jonny hasn't gotten the knack of pulling back and seeing who he needs to take seriously, so he gets sucked into drama too easily.

I suppose it could be worse--no sign of 'Bert' or 'Ernie'.

And, Real Truther? Lay off the coffee, mate.

"Bugger this; I want a better world."

You're out of line

I see now, you're out of line. What's your problem? Your demeanor is counter-productive.

John, for what it's worth

I don't take this attacks as a reflection on your character, but just as a very strong disagreement with your position. I happen to share a lot of his views, but I don't think ill of you at all. You are pursuing this how you think best, and I respect that.

I don't know the full story and am not saying your complaint about him is not justified.

He raises some good points in a provocative style, but they should not be personalized to you.

These issues are too important to be personalized.

this is not about a difference of opinion

This is about John Albanese, aka Godshilla, behaving inappropriately on this forum. Here is the list of offenses:

1) posting as Anonymous deliberately to hide his identity and argue his same points as "someone else". He later quite lamely claims to have been conducting a "test", but only after I pointed out he had misspelled the same word (expertise) as both his "John" and "Anon" personas.

2) posting a picture that he claimed showed molten aluminum being poured. He ignored requests to say where he found it, and since the picture wasn't labelled he thought he could get away with it. It was subsequently discovered to be a picture that has already been used on other forums and found through verification by the person who took the picture to be a picture of molten iron not aluminum.

3) deliberately (a la the no-planers) ignoring perfectly reasonable and substantiated facts in order to doggedly assert his incorrect claims.

4) Whining about being mistreated when he has done as bad or worse to people in the past with sarcasm, personal jabs and cheap shots.

I believe in freedom of speech and open dialogue--not political correctness and pseudo-civility. John Albanese should not be judged by my words but by his own. I recommend people become familiar with the thread on which all of this occured.

Here it is: http://www.911blogger.com/node/4519

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

I can NOT believe i am responding to this

But i think it is essential to demonstrate how REACTIONARY Real Truther is being:

1 - posting as Anonymous deliberately to hide his identity and argue his same points as "someone else".

Answer: I started posting anonymously since you seem to enjoy smearing my reputation. i wanted to challenge your "molten steel" claim anonymously for this reason. At least i do use my REAL name - unlike you.

2 - The picture of molten aluminum:

I found this on a forum devoted to this subject:

http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=9621

"Now according to the website this next picture came from, that is "molten aluminum" flowing. I am wondering how hot that aluminum is to look "bright orange" like that?"

http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/furnace2/furnace-2.jpg (Bright Orange Molten Aluminum)

If you scroll down you will see that one opinion is that aluminum will melt at 1,200 degrees but glow at 1,400 degrees.

Anyway - i could be wrong. They could be wrong. Like you - i am no expert. People are allowed to be wrong. That is what debate is about - honest attempts to research and discuss POSSIBILITIES. but - you are obviously WAY too immature and paranoid to engage in this sort of give-and-take.

Additionally - i found that YOU presented MANY facts that were incorrect - for example, claiming that the underground mall and path trains were "completely destroyed." When others presented you with photographic evidence to the contrary - as well as articles - you launched into an emotional tirade.

Now you attempt to smear my reputation and accuse me of being a shill? why? because i am challenging you on your beliefs? really dude. you sound like a crybaby.

again - for the LAST FUCKING TIME - i would like to terminate my participation on this website. I have already emailed DZ to this effect. He is able to track IP addresses - so he will know if i'm lying. I am done here. The only reason i am still posting is because - predictably - you are still working to smear my name.

Its over dude. My next film will speak for itself. Why don't you reserve judgement until such time as that film is released?

Peace

just leave already!

I enjoy smearing your reputation? Like when you insinuated that I must be anti-semitic because I think it's relevant that the main suspect in the WTC demolitions, the owner, is a Zionist? Hypocrite.

Now you lie AGAIN and say that I claimed the mall was COMPLETELY destroyed. Um, no, you're the one who made it sound like the entire mall survived, and I said it was destroyed. Forgive me. A few Looney Tunes products survived in a small pocket of the Warner Brothers' store. Your alleged stalking smearer Peggy Carter was kind enough to provide a picture to back you up on that. And all because you were speculating that the mall may have been the source of oxygen that allowed the fires to burn. Even though we were discussing molten steel and there is no reason to believe that oxygen, from the remaining pockets of mall or elsewhere would have melted the steel. In other words, you were straw-manning there.

I sound like a crybaby and immature? Who's the drama queen here who has not left yet after saying he was leaving, because he has been waiting for more people to jump to his defense? So I'm calling you out as a shill. If as you say that is just my opinion and groundless, then why does it upset you so much? According to you I'm an immature little smearing crybaby who no one should take seriously. So what gives? Why so sensitive?

I think that the reason is that the last exchange has revealed just how far out of the mainstream your views are around here. Pretending that you are just standing up fo rational debate is SUCH a joke at this point, when anyone can read through your entire post history and see what kind of person you are.

So, if you're going to leave like you said, then leave! You are NOT going to get the last word, because you are apparently too delicate to take criticism and are thus going to deprive us of your insight. Fine--go! Bye! I'm sure your friends here will be able to defend your honor from my hateful rhetoric when you are gone.

Bye!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

So far out of the "mainstream..."

Does that mean badmouthing a movie supported, and endorsed by the family members at every opportunity because it references Pakistan's connection to 9/11, and our Government? You remember the family members don't you? Or are they not "mainstream" anymore?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

and defending Peggy

the no-planer advocate who has accused me of being a goverment agent - and defended Nico Haupt's performance with Rolling Stone magazine - and TVFakery?

Where did I defend your pretend-stalker?

And why would I? She's clearly following you around to make you look better by appearing to tear down and be stalked by no-planers. In my opinion, of course--I don't have absolute proof of that either!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Who made the families boss?

You can follow the families right off a cliff-that's your choice. But of course you won't. You'll follwo them right to the "hang Pakistan" booth at the shill fair. Whatever. If you agree with the guy who said Albanese and I should "STFU already", as you indicated in your reply to him, then why don't you stop trying to defend your friend and let us just drop the issue of Albanese's shillitude? Why are you jumping into the fray? Who's got the ego now?

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Actually...

I'm done defending John Albanese. Now, I'm going to defend the families that you just blatantly referred to as shills because they would lead us to the "hang Pakistan" booth at the shill fair.

See "Real Truther"... The families are the ones who got us the first investigation. It wasn't adequate by any means, but imagine the investigation we would have had it not been for them. There wouldn't have been one. They deserve all of the respect in the world for what they did, and that is something I will never forget.

Beyond that, they lost their loved ones HORRIBLY on 9/11, and part of the reason I do what I do is so that they can have the closure they seek. In my opinion, if you disrespect the families, or their efforts, than you have no place in the "9/11 Truth Movement." The movement has ALWAYS supported the family members. and as long as I have a voice, I will do my best to make sure it always will.

You want to talk about Controlled Demolition? Fine. You want to promote the idea that Israel was involved in the attacks? Fine. You want to disrespect the family members? Then go f_ck yourself.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

When you guys say you're done, you REALLY mean it, huh?

So yeah yeah, Jon, you have a heart of gold. Great. Now go give your buddy Albanese a big Jon Gold bear hug. I think he could use it. Now I'M done, talk to yous later! :)

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

Real Truther Exposed

I think this pretty much sums up the utter disgrace this activist is.

when push comes to shove he will slime anyone - even the victims families - in his quest to be the grand-wazoo of 911blogger.

only Real Truther holds the keys to 9/11 activism. everyone else is a shill.

I shudder to think the damage this guy is doing at Harvard. i imagine he is viewed like the town idiot who is always standing on the same street corner ranting like an imbecile.

he shits on people who have suffered real losses - because, they too do not believe the same thing he does.

this is the VERY DEFINITION of a tin-foil-hat conspiracy thoerist. a self rightious paranoid obnoxious imbecile.

yes i'm a shill. the cia electrode in your brain told you so.

How About...

You Click Here?
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Jon, the families don't need you to defend them

at least not from Real Truther. He's not attacking the 9/11 families.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work and your focus and the families should definitely be supported. But don't forget - we were ALL attacked on that day and we are ALL under attack still. The movement doesn't belong to anyone, we all have a say in this. My uncle was on Flight 93 and I don't feel dissed by RT in any way. Peace.

I think what Jon's pointing

I think what Jon's pointing out is how Real Truther--by not thinking before he types(or is it posting before he edits?)--makes himself sound like a nut case who doesn't appear to care who gets hit by his flack as long as it looks like he's "getting the bad guys".

That whole thing where he says "why don't you stop defending your friend"(to the best of my knowledge they don't know each other in the real world) is how an emotionally immature person sees all disagreements--through the lens of favoritism. I'd like to think it was irony on Real Truther's part, but wading through this rubbish, that possibility has been eliminated.

Oh, and Real Truther? You don't like people lying about what you say? Neither do I.

But that was a post long ago, and far, far away...

Look it up--Jon Gold said...

he considers John Albanese a friend and a colleague.

So much for pop psychology, eh Col.? Anyway, thanks for jumping in and providing such useful insight. Now see, that WAS irony. I'm just so sick of people making up crap. If you want this thread to end, then just DROP it, all of you! Every time you post you extend this argument because every time you post you say something that's not true. And I will correct you each time. It is NOT OK to lie. It is OK to be wrong, as long as you ADMIT it.

I hope anyone still paying attention to this tripe is learning something. Basically liars will NEVER stop lying. That's why they are liars. They keep lying until you simply give up on correcting them through sheer exhaustion. The point of growing the truth movement is to keep increasing the ratio of honest truthseekers to shills. Then the liars can lie all they want and there will be little risk of their being confused with truth tellers.

good NIGHT!!!!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

To clarify...

I did say I consider him a friend and a colleague, but I have never met him.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Great, so Jon considers

Great, so Jon considers Jonny a friend. Lovely.

Doesn't change YOUR problem--you debate like a person with a shot gun shooting anything that moves.

Aim before you shoot. Please.

Shhhhhh....

We truced... Come watch me and Fred outside of Independence Hall...
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

My...

Condolensces to your Uncle.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

dude

take a chill pill

you're distorting and exaggerating everything.

i was not even posting on this board LOL!

he is now just carrying his petty little childish vendetta against me from message board to message board.

and he has no idea what my "position" is on ANYTHING. he has proven that. he just assumes from my questions that he knows what i think.

i have already mentioned that i am done participating here. i am wrapping up my next film which will be ABOUT the movement - as well as 9/11 itself - and i think i learned everything i can about how blogger works - and the people who contribute here. It has been an educational experience.

i think the creators of 911Blogger are extremely admirable people and this site is a credit to the cause.

i think there are problems inherent in any open forum. there will always be participants who reflect poorly on the movement - or who are reactionary and ill-equiped for dealing with challenging questions. but - i have no intention of exploiting that in my film. Primarily I view 911Blogger as a news forum for sharing 9/11 related updates. I put little stock in the message boards themselves. they are populated by good intentions - bad intentions - and the downright ugly.

its time to bring this chapter to a close. my film - as previously announced - will be premiering through the Independent Film Channel Center and the Tribeca Cinemas in NYC - although the January premier date is being pushed into Spring 2007.

I will let my film speak for itself - and you all can decide for yourselves what i stand for.

To Mancow, (since I can't seem to get it to him directly)

I respect your decision to address the open questions surrounding the events of 9/11. I would encourage you to include in your analysis the sudden collapse of WTC building 7 at 5:20 that afternoon, the subsequent admission by Larry Silverstien on a PBS documentary that he decided 'to pull' the building, and the fact that the government's own investigation (by NIST) into why building 7 collapsed only includes results on collapse initiation (rather than develop theories about how the collapse could have occurred in 6 seconds.)

There are real issues to discuss. Don't be so one-sided. Many many credible people have come forward, against their own safety in some cases, to disagree with the government's version of events. Prominent members of the Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 administrations have voiced their dissent. Numerous former FBI agents have become whistle-blowers. Members of congress have attempted to answer important unanswered questions. Think about it, how could the defenses of the strongest military power in history be penetrated directly into the most heavily guarded fortress, the pentagon? How could this happen? Don't you want to know?

Daniel Hopsicker has done real investigative journalism in Venice, Florida and has shown that Mohammed Atta was not only affiliated with narco-traffickers, but that he had visited the US several times. His interview with Atta's former girlfriend is fascinating to say the least. The Times of India reported shortly after 9/11 (a story that was not refuted by the FBI), that the chief intel officer of the ISI ordered $100,000 wired to Atta. That same chief officer was coincidentally having a breakfast meeting with two congressman in DC on the morning of 9/11. The chief officer stayed on in DC for several days. Upon his return to Pakistan, he was immediately fired and faded into the background.

Make sure to do your research. After you can verify much of this information, report it to your listeners. That's the patriotic thing to do. This issue is still open and as I mentioned above, many many credible people are asking very reasonable questions. Don't short change the truth. Honesty in the face of adversity is a moral imperative.

All buildings unexplained

"the fact that the government's own investigation (by NIST) into why building 7 collapsed only includes results on collapse initiation"

The government's own investigation into why buildings 1 and 2 collapsed only includes results on collapse initiation. That's where people died, and that's where the focus needs to be. Sure, building 7 is very suspicious and should be investigated, but I see an implicit assumption, not just in your statement but in many others who focus on building 7, that buildings 1 and 2 have been adequately explained, but building 7 has not.

I also disagree that the assertions in the paragraph beginning with Daniel Hopsicker can truly be verified, and even if verified, what those facts will ultimately show, because they can be spun out in various ways, like a sting gone bad.

The answers are primarily in New York, not in Florida or Pakistan or even Washington DC.

I agree with your assertions

I agree with your assertions about buildings 1 and 2. They are big, unexplained elephants. I include Hopsicker's work to indicate that Atta was several times in the US, which goes counter to the official story-line - hijackers in US for one year unnoticed. I include Pakistan and DC evidence because physical evidence can be supported by documentary evidence. And both types of evidence need to be given equal attention. And, thanks for the response.

Tarpley nails the 'hijackers' best

Hopsicker's work has the big problem that it insists they were indeed "hijackers", which was also clarified by him insulting all controlled demo. theorists as "disinfo". I don't know if his findings about the hijackers are accurate, but they don't become "truth" until you consider Tarpley's book Synthetic Terror and other work. He exposes how all the initially confusing "dots" of Able Danger, of the hijackers having a Military base as their driver's license address, how they could have stayed out of jail for gods sake with residing in strip clubs, pockets full of money, dumping Cessnas on runways etc. - how these dots can be connected and how wonderfully it makes sense in combination with an inside job-scenario.

thanks for the heads up!

thanks for the heads up!