Mike Ruppert is in Toronto recovering

Jeff Wells at Rigorous Intuition comments on the news that Mike Ruppert has left Venezuela and is now recovering in Toronto.

Among Wells' remarks, and he is almost always a brilliant read, is this:

"From the Wilderness was my first 9/11 looking glass. The writings of Ruppert and associates such as Peter Dale Scott and Daniel Hopsicker before they fell out (there seemed to be much falling out around Ruppert) helped contextualize the terror for me within the ongoing criminal enterprise of the National Security State, in which the Bush regime was not an aberration but its apotheosis.

But that was then. These days in the 9/11 Truth demimonde, early and clear-eyed researchers like Scott, Paul Thompson and Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed are rarely heard over the likes of Morgan Reynolds and the thermate/"mini-nukes" debate, and rather than contributions such as the discovery of 9/11's concurrent war games we have "scholars for 9/11 Truth" tearing one another new impact holes over speculation on space-based beam weaponry. If you think that indicates progress, and that we're closer to 9/11 justice than we were three years ago, I don't know what more to tell you."

fuck Ruppert and his

fuck Ruppert and his negative limited hangout attitude.

"If you think that indicates progress, and that we're closer to 9/11 justice than we were three years ago, I don't know what more to tell you."

fuck you! you egotistical mother fuck. you have lost all my respect for you insults to other leaders in the 9/11 truth movement. you can take your Lihop and shove it up your exiled ass.

The quote is from John Wells

The quote is from John Wells and not Ruppert.

No thanks, Morgan

I think I'll take Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson and Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed over Morgan Reynolds any day.

As for Ruppert, he's a complicated figure. I'm not sure how much I trust him. But I respect the research he did, the contribution he made before he crapped on 9/11 Truth.

Videohoax?

Are you a no-planer? Are you one of those people actively trying to destroy this website?

I have a new acronym for ya:

NICO = Newly Identified Cointelpro Operative

Ruppert - although personally a little obnoxious (like me) - is neither limited hangout or LIHOP.

Furthermore - if is was not for Ruppert there would probably not even BE a 9/11 Truth movement. His early research was groundbreaking and pivotal in waking up the first wave of activists to this cause. wargames. insider trading. PNAC. he was talking about this stuff long before anyone else - and he backed it up with rock solid research and sourcing.

Well...

Admittedly, I used to admire Ruppert. I thought his contributions, and his way of presenting them were priceless. However, he developed an ego. He also developed a negative approach towards everything. Anyway, I wholeheartedly recommend any newcomer watch his first movie, "The Truth & Lies Of 9/11."

And "Peak Oil", to me, has turned into the Controlled Demolition debate. There are points from both sides that are convincing. Oil, and the control of it, was most certainly a motive. Whether it had to do with "Peak Oil", or not, I don't know.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

And...

Feel free to watch the follow-up.


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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Ruppert's a hero

I also got into 911 Truth back on '03 with the help of FTW. Member for the past 2 years.

Rubicon is standing the test of time. He was explicit about not focusing on the physical evidence like CD-- and here today when's the last time you saw a 911 truth CD discussion not become a morass of conflicting physics / engineering claims.

And the war games were the key... and yet today we still hear prominent 911 leaders talking about NORAD "stand down" when they were indeed rendered ineffective via the wargames.. stand down would have been too obvious. The Michael Kane article "Case Against Cheney" is still a stand out,
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

In this hidden link at FTW, Ruppert answers gummit shill Victor Thorn's "10 Questions" seeking to discredit Ruppert,
http://fromthewilderness.com/10questions.shtml

And no Ruppert's not LIHOP just because he gave a very detailed telling of the Delmart Vreeland story... that was just another puzzle piece.

Anyways get well and prosper Mike.

A morass of conflicting physics / engineering claims???

Not to me nor anyone else with a brain. Use all available proof / evidence!

The idea that there is "a morass"

of conflicting physics/engineering claims is an insidious psy-op. The idea that physical arguments about the destruction of the Towers can only be made by experts is also false.

Here's a little test:

Based on your observation of video, photographic, and testimonial evidence, did the Towers

a)blow up and distribute their pulverized remains over lower Manhattan?

or

b) fall down into a pile.

B can be explained by structural failure and gravity. A cannot.

I'm thinking "a" myself. I don't know how it was accomplished, but it is clear that this is WHAT was accomplished.

"thermate/'mini-nukes' debate"

This is an intellectually dishonest way to frame the debate. On the one hand, there is real scientific research, in line with conventional scientific methodology. On the other, there are the exotic weapons sci-fi fantasies. If you cannot understand the distinction, then it is better for you to simply leave the discussion of physical evidence to people who can. Likewise, if you can't understand the very rudimentary physics that underpin the argument that the Towers could not have been gravity-driven collapses, just stick to the testimonial evidence.

Mini Nukes...

Would the President Of The United States stand on the rubble with his blowhorn knowing that it was an irradiated area from the mini-nuke explosion?


President Bush addresses rescue workers at Ground Zero in New York, September 14, 2001: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."

This argument hurts the cause of the sick and dying from 9/11. Knock it off.

Not you casseia... the individuals promoting that nonsense.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

WTF are you talking about?!

Seriously. Are you replying to my post? Let me make it completely unambiguous: lame-ass sci-fi fantasies include but are not limited to mini-nukes, space beams, tv fakery, green reptilian Satanists. Reputable scientific research includes (and perhaps is not limited to) Prof Jones' work on thermate. To group the two together in a single descriptive clause as the "thermate/mini-nukes debate" implicitly accords them equal validity from the point of view of conventional science. This is an insult to the work of a man who has paid a major personal price for his pursuit of the truth about 9/11. So you knock it off.

Actually...

I was just addressing "mini-nukes". You're not wrong. I was just addressing "mini-nukes", and replied to your post for no reason in particular.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Did you edit your post while

I was busy having a hissy fit or did I miss the "not you casseia" line. If it's the latter then I apologize. If it's the former then okay, no problem.

I edited it...

After I realized it looked like I was talking to you. But I finished before you finished your rant... So that's me being right, and you being wrong. Me right. You wrong.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

In other words...

Jon Gold - 1/casseia - 0

:D
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Or put it this way:

Jon Gold: -1 points
casseia: 0 points

Yeah, that works for me. :P