New paper on NIST - WTC investigation at Journal of 9/11 Studies.

The NIST WTC Investigation--How Real Was The Simulation?
by Eric Douglas, R.A.

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The NIST investigation of the WTC building failures was extensive, but NIST did not substantiate its conclusions experimentally. On the contrary, many of NIST’s tests contradicted its conclusions. Furthermore, there are several examples in which NIST chose to manipulate input data, and then certify its findings based upon the inevitable conclusions that derive from the manipulated input. One finds little acknowledgement on the part of NIST that uncertainties in its simulations translate into uncertainties in its findings.

NIST’s physical tests were inadequate. Their ASTM E119 tests and their workstation burn tests were improperly modeled. Further, the former produced results that contradicted NIST’s conclusions and the latter fell far short of testing the performance of realistic steel members in the actual fire conditions. The workstation burn tests showed that the temperatures were generally too low, especially in the ventilation-controlled WTC environments. The ASTM E119 tests showed that the WTC floor trusses should have easily withstood the fires they experienced on 9/11.

There were also flaws in NIST’s computer simulations, including its impact simulation, its fire loading simulation, its temperature mapping simulation, its thermal/structural component simulations, and its global simulation. The LS-DYNA simulation showed that the aircraft would have done much less damage than NIST assumes, and NIST’s subsequent “scenario pruning” was confused and unsubstantiated. The decision to exclude the hat truss from the structural/thermal response simulations was a significant omission. The sequence of failed truss seats leading to pull-in forces on the exterior columns is central to NIST’s theory but not explained or supported by simulation.

This paper will conclude that the findings of the NIST investigation, although not necessarily incorrect, are not inherently linked to the reality of the failure mechanisms that took place in WTC buildings 1 and 2. The author calls on NIST to explain the discrepancies in its reports, admit the level of uncertainty in its findings, broaden the scope of its investigation, and make its raw data available to other researchers...

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http://www.journalof911studies.com/

Sears Tower Next?

The building’s owners have been interviewing real estate firms to take over leasing and management of the prominent skyscraper after last month’s surprising announcement that CB Richard Ellis Inc. would resign the assignment.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=23176

Mr. Goldman led a group including Mr. Cayre that put up most of the $125 million of the equity that Mr. Silverstein, a New York developer, used to buy the 99-year office lease on the Trade Center office portion from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The deal, valued at $3.2 billion, including the Trade Center's retail mall, closed in July 2001, weeks before the September terror attacks that destroyed the complex.

http://www.searstower.org/news.html#A0387168949

those of you that ENJOY what

those of you that ENJOY what our country has become now (all the crap you go through in the airport, wire tapping your personal conversations, etc etc, )must support the NIST reports.

Its almost as if you WANT to become slaves AGAIN.
well, good for you idiots.

Just go live in a communist country and you will be PLENTY HAPPY. No voice, controlled completely by govt. - You should be perfect there.

Get out of the US if you don't want to fight for your freedom.

Yes, I agree with your assessment and....

....empathize with your anger here....

I do have one quibble.....what we are seeing resembles "Fascism" more than "Communism"....

While both can be Totalitarian (socialism, not always, of course, when free elections are allowed), the former is more descriptive of what we are seeing in our country today...

Instead of the State Ownership, we have private, corporate ownership that controls government. I don't see that going away, just wealth and profits being concentrated in fewer and fewer private hands. Those hands will continue to pick the puppets that are installed to carry out their wishes.

Also, another characteristic of communism is the outlawing of religion. Fascism just co-opts it, buys it off, and uses it as another propaganda arm. That is also what we are seeing.

NIST report is a fraud

Excellent, I saw this new entry into the journal and read some of it.

It's very important to remember that Kevin Ryan (and this paper) argues that the NIST report is largely based on computer simulations. They refused to release them.

Evidence that no one can see is no evidence at all!

Even more outrageous is the amount of distortion that they admit in the data.

 

On a different subject… I am deeply disturbed by the direction of Scholars for 9/11 truth. I had been a very strong supporter of this group and even considered joining. However, the recent actions of this organization—in particular their support of disinformation is deeply troubling.

A few days ago, Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds released an essay about Steven Jones. This Essay is now featured on the Scholars for 9/11 “truth” website near the top.

Their Essay is blatant disinformation. It is a shocking attempt to discredit Steven Jones’ research with unethical and deceitful tactics.

In summary, it pretends that Steven Jones is advocating a “Thermite Hypothesis” when he is advocating a “Controlled Demolition” hypothesis.

To counter this blatant disinformation I wrote an essay to expose many (not even half) of the stunning distortions that Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood have made about Steven Jones’ research.

We can’t let this stand. This is damaging to 9/11 truth. We shouldn’t tolerate this outrageous nonsense. If they are going to engage in such tactics we have to call them on it. We can't afford not to.

read their essay here: http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html

Read my analysis of their disinformation here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/5124

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Disinformation

Someone should demand that Judy and Fetz release their W2 records for next year. I can only wonder who they may have received income from for this garbage.

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Why are you here? Why are you so concerned about 9/11 truth?

If this is all baseless garbage, why are you wasting your time posting here? Do you not have anything better to do with your time?

It's their job... 

It's their job... 

A heads up to

A heads up to everyone--though some have probably noticed it already--we appear to have trolls among registered users. DON"T PANIC AND START ATTACKING EACH OTHER WILLY NILLY. My suspicions are based on the -1 imgstacke had, as well as the anon above imgstacke, for a reasonable and civil question. I just rated you up to 0--this is not the first time I've seen this-especially early in a thread, before it has little traffic, a reasonable or thoughtful post sympathetic to the Truth movement or this site having a -1. It usually goes away as soon as the thread expands.

Again, DONT panic. If you find this anomaly, help a fellow truther and rate them up. And if this has happened to you--why did I get a negative for THAT?--it's probably because of a troll(mole?) among us.

Cavere.

Jenny, be sure to vote on anon posting

I just wanted to be sure you saw dz's poll in the "comment changes" thread.

We definitely have registered trolls -- we also have registered users playing with sock puppets by posting under a registered id and also posting anonymously. Slimy.

Cheers.

Cheers.

Please stop the "disinfo" accusations

And if you are going to question their motives, you should at least be honest about their stated motive, even if you don't believe it -- they think the affect of Jones' research is to support aspects of the government's story that have not been proven -- they say a scientist should not assume facts not in evidence. Maybe they are not telling the truth -- who knows? But it is disingenuous for you to impute some hidden motive would saying what their stated motive is, and then rebutting that if you can.

I again ask you to stop the "disinfo" accusations. They are as disruptive and meaningless as the trolls' insults.

Your analysis is fine -- it is open and reasoned. I'm just talking about the shill-jacketing.

It is time to call a lie a lie. Now is time for 9/11 truth.

Wood and Reynolds’ essay on Steven Jones' non-existent "thermite only hypothesis" is a damaging blow to the pursuit of 9/11 truth. When someone contradicts their own statement a sentence later, call it what it is—a lie. Call blatant distortion of the facts what it is—disinformation.

Those of us who are in support of the truth about 9/11 shouldn’t tolerate this outrageous behaviour. It is an affront to everything we are trying to accomplish. Telling us to do otherwise is like telling us to accept the official story about 9/11--and then be quiet. It is time for the truth, not “our own reality” based on outrageously manipulated facts.

1. Steven Jones' theory is "controlled demolition" not "thermite."
2. Thermite is his "evidence" not his "hypothesis."
3. Attacking his thermite "evidence" as if it was his entire theory is a "straw-man fallacy."
4. This is worsened when no other evidence is acknowledged to exist--attacking thermite as if it is the ONLY evidence that Steven Jones has. What about free fall speed for starters? What about eye witness testimony?

What do you call this? The truth? I call it what it is--Disinformation.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

How about Active Vectors of

How about Active Vectors of Untruthfulness :D

Amnesty

A little off-topic:

It seems that a lot of truthseekers have joined an animated online-demonstration against racism, on the Dutch Amnesty International-website. Instead of their nicknames, they fill in messages like "911 inside job". Check it out:

http://www.amnesty.nl/10dec2006/index.php

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What about Press For Truth?

What about Press For Truth and Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime? Kind of hard to rebut, huh?

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Why are you here? Why are you so concerned about 9/11 Truth?

If this is all baseless garbage, why are you wasting your time posting here? Do you not have anything better to do with your time?

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Ooooh... somebody's maaaad.

Where is the evidence that any innocent person has been "convicted of treason in the court of public opinion" anywhere OUTSIDE the community of truthers?

I know what my motivation is, and I don't think it's something you would understand.

And everything you put up

And everything you put up can easily be debunked.

So your own "CRAP" doesn't even stand.

Disgraceing the Dead?

Do you have any idea what the percentage of victims families who support this movement is? Seriously, does anyone know? I don't.

50% at least

it's above 50%, that's for sure.
Not sure of the exact number at this time though.

911 Press for Truth

911 Press for Truth is the government's Official 911 Commission's Family Steering Committee's documentary about their struggle with the Bush administration to open an investigation of the mass murder of 3000 US citizens. Why anyone would stand in the way of an investigation is simply nuts. Even if you are inclined to believe the Bush conspiracy theory about 19 angry muslims successfully attack the most dominent military defense system in the world with boxcutters, you should be interested in opening an independent investigation simply to settle the matter. Afterall, if the government has nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

here are the 911 families who are begging for help from the American public
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

watch there documentary
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=911+press+...

watch this short video - $20 bucks - and see if you are still comfortable with the Bush conspiracy theory
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2364206678564389150&q=%2420+buck...

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What investigation?

On page two of the introduction of the 911 Commission Report it states "this is not to be considered an investigation." Also, the title is The 911 Commission Report, not The 911 Commission Investigation. Hello, what investigation are you talking about? Also, if you are considering the 911 Commission Report an investigation regardless that the authors have already stated that it is not one, what sort of crappy investigation does not subpoena anybody; what about destroyed evidence from a crime scene; what about ignorning 80% of the most important questions posed to the Commission? What about missing entire skyscraper which also collapsed (wtc7) from the Commission's REPORT? What about not investigating the military exercises which simulated hijacked airplanes occuring on 911? What about the head of Pakistani intelligence being in Washington DC on 911 and only the day before had wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta (one of the hijackers), and no investigation of that tid bit. There's plenty more. But you're concerned about money in the investigation of the mass murder od 3000 US citizens. You are a sick individual. They spent nearly $100,000,000 (that is in millions) investigating Clinton's blow-job, but you feel spending money on investigating the most devastating mass murder on American soil is a waste of money. You certainly need to seek help. Unless you are working for anti-American interests who are trying to prevent an investigation.

Again, if the government has nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

Speading this, in your

Speading this, in your terms, "crap" is not dangerous.

YOU didn't bother to look at the evidence and scientific data. YOU didn't bother to read the documentation put out by these people. You just SPEW OUT CRAP out of your ass based on an article that says "Oh and they can be debunked"

Yeah, I read somewhere that the earth was flat.

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To quote a friend...

"How dare you imply that those in government do not always have the interests of the people they govern in mind! You are a dangerous and ignorant person! Everyone knows that Santa Claus is real, that the sun revolves around the earth, that illness is caused by demons, and that the earth is flat and hollow. The fact that these things have been ALLEGEDLY proven false does not mean that it is so. If you tell me that the earth is not flat, then your sources MUST be biased or wrong. If you tell me that the sun does not revolve around the earth, then you are a Communist. If you tell me that illness is not caused by demons, then you hate America! You want the truth? You want a government by the people, for the people? You hate America! America should be a one-party state where people like you are put in concentration camps for the beliefs, or made to leave! That is what America has always stood for! If you disagree with me, you are insane and should be put in jail and not allowed to hold a job! god will strike you down while wearing his white beard and white robe and riding his chariot!"

Trolls...bite me.

awww :(

But you just said yourself we deny facts and evidence and we're all crazy. So how can we be dangerous?
Any normal sane person can see that we are full of crap, right? So what's the problem?
Why so much anger? Why do you spend hours a day posting on here?
Sounds like you're a little upset that the truth is coming out.
Sorry, man, but how long do you think you could hold such a big scam secret?
Poor guy!

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All your pathetic links

All your pathetic links don't even answer anything scientifically.

sad.

Go back home kid.

What is your problem?

911 Press for Truth is the government's Official 911 Commission's Family Steering Committee's documentary about their struggle with the Bush administration to open an investigation of the mass murder of 3000 US citizens. Why anyone would stand in the way of an investigation is simply nuts. Even if you are inclined to believe the Bush conspiracy theory about 19 angry muslims successfully attack the most dominent military defense system in the world with boxcutters, you should be interested in opening an independent investigation simply to settle the matter. Afterall, if the government has nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

here are the 911 families who are begging for help from the American public
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

watch there documentary
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=911+press+...

watch this short video - $20 bucks - and see if you are still comfortable with the Bush conspiracy theory
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2364206678564389150&q=%2420+buck...

Amazing Documentary

Support this amazing documentary.

For me personally it was like being stuck by lightning. That light bulb has not gone off since. Although it doesn't pursue many of the pieces of extremely damaging evidence (like controlled demolition), it presents enough to leave you disturbed.

I'm making a "shock and awe" fact list that will make reference to most of the devastating information presented in this documentary and other sources. This documentary should be played on every TV set in the country--primetime.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

What exactly are the "lies,

What exactly are the "lies, rumors, and innuendo" that I have spread. My post merely asked why one such as yourself would waste your time trolling this blog. You do not know what I personally believe occured on 9/11.

I believed the "official" story until spring of 2004. I currently reject the "official" account of 9/11 due to a vast amount of evidence and "official" account contradictions. As the following websites demonstrate, I am not alone:

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
http://www.911pressfortruth.com

All I personally want and many others want, is a reopened investigation of 9/11 by a non-partisan panel who does not have conflicts of interest. If there is nothing to hide, there should not be a problem with this.

America as we know it is being destroyed. The very foundations of our democracy, Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus have been suspended due to the pretext event that was 9/11. Endless war has been based upon this pretext event. Americans are now legally spied upon by the exectutive branch of our government, without a warrent. I personally want to know what really happened on 9/11. I am not afraid to find our the truth, whatever it may be. Nor should you.

If you have not already done so, I suggest you look up Operation Northwoods at the National Security Archives.

Why are you here? Why do you waste your time posting here?

If this is all baseless garbage, why are you wasting your time posting here? Do you not have anything better to do with your time?

You mean the 9/11 Fairy Tale

You mean the 9/11 Fairy Tale - WHAT WE SAY HAPPENED (since you actually looked at the details)

Seems like a combination of 9/11 Myths+Popular Mechanics all wrapped together in nice easy reading (with no citations anywhere)...

Like 9/11 Myths, it attacks a lot of strawman arguments that no one is really making to establish credibility with the reader, then if they ACTUALLY continue reading after the first 2 pages they will get to some of the real questions.  They appeal to the authority of the FEMA and NIST reports as if they are gospel...

 

sad 

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Reading Comprehension... 

Reading Comprehension...  Try It!  It's FREE!!!

Amnesty protest hijack

NIST report is fraud

We should be asking NIST for our money back. Throwing away hard earned tax dollars on a report that is nothing more than an insult to our intelligence. Those who did the report have sold there souls to the devil.

again, please do not feed the trolls....

They are paid to do their trolling. Trying to argue sense to them is pointless. Presenting argumentation to them is meaningless. They are not here to 'learn' anything or engage in rational discourse about anything. And they are cowards.... unwilling to disclose who and what they are.

They are irrelevant in this discussion of the article.

Which is very good, btw.
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"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

No kidding

It's amazing how successful the troll disruption tactic is. There were at least 30 completely wasted comments above that had absolutely nothing to do with this Journal of 9/11 Studies article, which is extremely well written. Just vote down the immature "911 Truth Kiddies" comments and move on.

The paper we should be talking about is a thorough and comprehensive debunking of the NIST report. If the trolls can make a single point in rebuttal to the points made in the NIST paper above (although they clearly can't), only then would they deserve a response. To anyone that has just read through the comments and without reading the paper, I highly recommend giving the paper a once-over. It is long, but well worth the read.

It's funny

The reason that they do not try to make a cognative point is because sometimes it leads us to explore the facts just that much deeper.... I have made several revelations based on a sad attempt at rebuttal from one of the "Believers"

but now all they seem to want to do is spread insults and pimp their weak ass websites.... If I had time I'd roll through those sites and write reports on all of them.

Sites built for those looking to support their poor attempts at excuses..... bury that head

My friends always tell me that for every thing I have to say that there is someone else who says the opposite. I explain why each one is wrong and they tell me that I'm not an expert... and I ask them what constitutes being an expert? they tell me what they think an expert is... they tell me it is someone who is degreed and has experience in that field.... and I always ask them if they have ever gotten a bad haircut... or been given bad financial advice?

Then I ask them their price... and they get a look.... they think about it.... then they catch themselves and laugh it off.... and I say.... "You have one... you have a price."

Everybody has one

some much much lower than

some much much lower than others...

how about to build WTC model ?

I'd like to share the idea which came to my mind recently. I've seen nearly every documentary/video about 9/11. What I didn't seen anywhere is the following:

I'm pretty sure it would by very helpful, if somebody could produce realistic WTC tower model, let's say 1:200 -> about 2m tall, with steel frame/core, and maybe concrete floors, I think it's not that difficult to construct/weld.

Then one could simulate jet-fuel fires, and damage do structure caused by plane strikes, and see what's gonna happen with building.. and of course shot nice video of the whole thing. Such a video would be very popular, and surely would catch some more attention to the topic. My own experience says that vast majority of people have really no idea what fire vs. steel means, and how such a building reacts to plane strike/fire, and for this people the best way to get them interested is "see with your own eyes" attitude.

If there was someone who could make this real, it would be wonderful. What do you think ?