Sirius Left To Discuss How 9/11 Skeptics Damage 'legitimate skepticism of the government'
dz Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:02pm
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Is 9/11 Paranoia Bad For The Country?
Tomorrow 5:00 pm ET
The Nation contributer Christopher Hayes will talk about 9/11 conspiracy theories-- and the trouble such paranoia causes to legitimate skepticism of the government and its behavior (especially this particular administration).
You can find 'Sirius Left' on channel 146 on Sirius radio. The exact date of the show isn't stated, so keep an eye out today and tomorrow.
Thanks Kleetus for the heads up!
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Christopher Hayes...
Did the 9/11 Commission give a "full and complete accounting" of the attacks of 9/11 which they were mandated to do?
The Time For Debate Is Over
Thanks for this...
i was trying to decide between the Sirius radio & subscription or the video ipod. I think I'll go with the ipod!
go with the Creative Vision
go with the Creative Vision M (or W).. much better video compliance. or get xm and listen to randi rhodes.
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itunes is the killer app driving the success of the ipod!
I"m addicted to podcasting; which is making satellite (and terrestrial) radio obselete anyway (imho). I listen to what I want when I want, wherever I want. (maybe I should TM that)
I podcast Lionel and Randi Rhodes on the daily!
Is 9/11 Paranoia Bad For The Country?
Can someone record this and post the link?
Hayes wrote a nasty hit piece
That appeared in The Nation and CBS picked it up and ran it earlier this month. I think it was called '9/11: The Roots of Paranoia. Basically he argues that 9/11 claims are ridiculous and have already been disproven (he references Popular Mechanics) and then goes on to argue that 9/11 conspiracy ideas are dangerous because they serve to discredit all "legitimate" questioning of government.
The Gnome Chumsky rationale/distraction....
....yeah, don't focus on the one thing (US government murdering it's own citizens to justify a war) that might make a difference to all Americans of all political stripes....don't pull the lynch-pin on the whole corrupt system...just talk about what we give you permission to talk about....that which can be easily dismissed as "liberal Bush-hating"....
The thesis that 9/11 truth movement is irrelevant
is an absurd and desperate attempt to avoid confronting reality.
Pay no attention to those who tell us what to think. Why don’t we think for ourselves for a change? Instead of asking questions and trying to find answers they say it's a waste of time. 3000 people died on 9/11 and it is a waste of time to think about it? I wonder who has the motive to try and convince us of that opinion.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
The thesis that space beams hit the world trade center
is an absurd and desperate attempt to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
It contradicts basic laws of physics, contradicts its own evidence and has no merit whatsoever.
Laws of physics are supreme and can not be broken no matter how hard you want them to be.
"Problems have now arisen with the management of the website, currently in the hands of Prof. Jim Fetzer. Many members have pointed out that some of the material displayed there is no longer in accord with our original aims, and personal attacks on members have appeared. Positions are being promoted which are disputed by the scientists specializing in physical sciences from Scholars For 9/11 Truth.
Attempts to correct this situation have failed. As of this date the web site continues to promote assertions which many of us consider to be both discrediting and unsupported by the evidence (ray-beams from space caused the demolitions, mini-nukes were used in the WTC towers, real commercial jets did not hit the WTC towers, etc.). We feel that the promotion of these ideas functions to distract from and discredit much of the other basic strong material challenging the official story of 9/11 which already exists - the stand down, the war games, the insider trading, the many strong points of evidence on the demolitions, etc."
Fact: a scientific theory that can not be tested is NOT science.
“There is a very important characteristic of a scientific theory or hypothesis which differentiates it from, for example, an act of faith: a theory must be ``falsifiable''. This means that there must be some experiment or possible discovery that could prove the theory untrue.”
Fact: there is substantial evidence that Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds are hurting the 9/11 truth movement.
If you disagree with me that's fine--just form your conclusions on evidence--not blind opinion.
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
I've got Sirius, if I'm
I've got Sirius, if I'm around, think I'll give him a call...
When are we going to begin
When are we going to begin marching en masse to so-called alternative media outlets to demand that they cease the neo-con-like bashing of our movement?
That would be terrific.
That would be terrific. Everyone with Sirius should try to call in.
yeah this aint cool
i just don't understand the motivation of the left leaning anti-bush etc. people to continue to bash the truth movement. "Sure the Bush administration lies about everything but we're just gonna believe all the garbage they put out about 911 for no reason and make fun of anyone who questions what they say about this single subjuect only." thats what they must say to themselves. whatever floats their boats...
do you see the parallel?
Every cause with an appeal to "the mainstream" has difficulty with similar but more extreme causes which do not share its basic viewpoint.
The Left which cannot grasp the truth of 911has difficulty with 911 Truth distracting from their focus and "wasting" activism. "Wasting" public attention as in five minutes of fame on some moron's show like Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly.
Similarly, legitimate 911 Truth has difficulty with No Planers, LIHOPpers, ZionistHaters, and even Ickkky Reptiles-did-it freaks. Like the Left feels about it, legitimate 911 Truth fears the wasted activism and wasted focus and public attention these splinters may cause.
As if five minutes of having some no-clue moron like Tucker Carlson make fun of a hero like Steven Jones is worth it anyway. Or having a lion like Alex Jones grovel in front of some MTV or SNL smart-alec, being treated like the court jester -- did you see that?
The Left is right, in a way. There are other things. Nine Eleven was only one day's harvest of lies and killing. But they are wearing blindfolds as well. Listen to Jon Phalen's brilliant dressing down here for inspiration: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/07/01/18284483.php
Truth in Government is the actual cause. Unfortunately, all our webmasters have already shelled out money for all the branded websites with the three numerals embedded . . . pity. How easy will it be for all reading this to expand their vocabulary?
well
RE: "Similarly, legitimate 911 Truth has difficulty with No Planers, LIHOPpers, ZionistHaters, and even Ickkky Reptiles-did-it freaks."
well perhaps us "LIHOPers" think the MIHOP folk makes the movement look like a zealous religious faction that places supreme faith in the controlled demolition of the twin towers.
Hang on dear fellow. you're
Hang on dear fellow. you're surely not aiming to absolve Zionists of their crimes in your above statement, are you?
any "legitimate" and clued up observer can easily find Zionist forces at the bottom of almost every single major international crime.
9/11 is no different. Organized by Zionists using the cover name, neo-con, and more importantly, Covered Up by Zionists under the guise of "mainstream press" which unless one is extremely ignorant, knows very well they control.
So, there is absolute and abundant room for "Zionist Haters" in a "legitimate" 9/11 Truth movement for they are without a shred of doubt, inextricably linked.
Mike Feder
Mike Feder will be also doing a show partly regarding 9/11 conspiacies today (Saturday). He seems to be more open-minded though I'm not sure. He too can be found on Sirius 'Talk Left'. I believe that it's on at either 3 or 4 pm Eastern?
I see now that the Mike
I see now that the Mike Feder show is what is already being taked about here. Sorry
Is 9/11 Paranoia Bad For The Country?
Tonight 5:00 pm ET
The Nation contributer Christopher Hayes will talk about 9/11 conspiracy theories-- and the trouble such paranoia causes to legitimate skepticism of the government and its behavior (especially this particular administration).
http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c...
The "911Timeline" evidence
The "911Timeline" evidence points to direct Pakistani involvement, i.e. the ISI, evidently, which surely is not Zionist. Israel does some bad things, no doubt, with huge US assistance, but the 911 evidence doesn't seem to implicate them in that operation, at least directly. Bringing anti-Zionist theories in brings in problems we do not really need IMO, distractions in other words.
Pakistan and Israel have secret contacts for more than 10yrs
Ex-US diplomat blames Israel for Pakistani dictator's death
John Gunther Dean, then US ambassador to India, said he suspected Israel's secret service Mossad of downing Gen Zia's aircraft in an effort to stop Pakistan developing the nuclear bomb. But when he reported these suspicions to Washington, he was accused of being mentally unbalanced and subsequently forced into retirement.
The circumstances of Gen Zia ul-Haq's death(1988) are as contentious as the 1963 assassination of John F Kennedy.
Gen Zia had a long list of enemies, all of whom have been blamed for his death over the years. But Israel has received little attention. Mr Dean told the World Policy Journal that it was plausible Mossad had orchestrated an assassination plot, believing Gen Zia's boast that he was only "a screwdriver's turn away from the bomb".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1657651,00.html
Pakistan, Israel have 10 years old ties
"Pakistan and Israel have been engaged in secret contacts with each other for more than 10 years," said Kasuri, who met Israeli foreign minister publicly for the first time in Turkey last week."
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/06israel.htm
Secret links with Israel 10 years old: Kasuri
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2005-daily/06-09-2005/main/main16.htm
THE PAKISTAN, ISRAEL COURTSHIP: India left scrambling
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GI08Df01.html
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