Vancouver's "The Republic" looks at Building 7

A short but interesting commentary, thanks Robert for sending this in;

From: The Republic of East Vancouver
Current Issue • January 4 to January 18, 2007 • No 154

by Kevin Potvin

Building number 7 is the key

Those who poo-poo alternative theories about 9-11 should adopt the methods of science and try to explain what happened to the building that was not hit by a plane.

We’ve just witnessed, if not participated in, a massive conspiracy. Tens of millions of people every winter conspire in a flat out lie to fool millions more of society’s most gullible members when they all agree to keep silent about the truth about Santa Claus. Sure, you're laughing, that’s a funny example of a conspiracy, but there it is: those who deny there could possibly be massive conspiracies involving thousands of people or even millions, are wrong.

Hannah Arendt, among so many others, wrote about how the German people were swept up in a conspiracy of lies about how the Jews among them were not human, and so deserved to be exterminated. When professional standing, personal prestige, working incomes, even ordinary, seldom-examined personal belief systems, are at stake, millions will engage in the common telling of lies if they find it necessary to do so to sustain their place in life. According to authors like Arendt, they don't even necessarily know they are telling lies.

The conspiracy of 9-11 and the related conspiracy of its cover-up can never be compared to either Santa Claus or to the Holocaust. But these examples can serve to show that many people can be involved in a conspiracy, that many can be motivated to do so by base, ordinary concerns, and that many may not even be consciously aware of their participation in a conspiracy. For obvious reasons, the realization and admission by anyone with official authority to speak on the matter that some arm of the US government was responsible for the crimes of 9-11 would involve so much destruction of belief systems, not to mention security, incomes, and reputations, that blind instinct dictates the official version be upheld.

Popular Mechanics magazine some time ago published a special issue that purported to destroy all versions of events of 9-11 besides the official version. Last week, the editor of the magazine wrote a newspaper editorial documenting the results: hilarious and disturbing attacks on him and his magazine by the so-called conspiracy theory industry.

But what if, after launching its investigation, the magazine’s editors found that 9-11 was in fact an inside job, and reported this. Where do you think the scientists who made that conclusion, and the magazine's editorial staff who reported it, would be today? When we see the level of vitriol leveled at any questioning of the official version of events that creeps into mainstream media, with accusations of anti-patriotism, treason, and anti-Semitism, it is no surprise few mainstream newspapers will touch 9-11 conspiracies. The lack of reporting on alternative versions of 9-11 in the mainstream press is no evidence of their weaknesses. If anything, the lack of mention of strong alternative theories, except to laugh at the least plausible of them, attests to their strengths.

In a book called Hitler's Scientists, we find personal diaries where German scientists caught up in Third Reich politics express serious misgivings about their work, misgivings that were nowhere evident in their published work, some of it very crucial to horrifying medical experimentation, mass murder systems, and nuclear science the Nazis were carrying out. Scientists who were sure there was nothing but dangerous hubris to Nazi theories about racial intelligence and other pillars of Third Reich philosophy nonetheless signed off on published documents extolling the virtues of those "scientific" claims. This was not some backward savage place, but the leading educated and scientific nation on the planet. Those who ask, How is it all those engineers, metallurgists, physicists and material scientists who produced both the Popular Mechanics 9-11 issue, as well as the official US government 9-11 report, could get it all so fundamentally wrong, need only remind themselves of the broad popular, as well as corporate and scholarly support, the Nazi regime engineered in Germany. 9-11 is an event that registers nowhere on the scale of something like Nazi Germany and its Holocaust. But that is a fact that makes the 9-11 conspiracy an easier thing to imagine than Germany in the 1930s.

The basic known facts of 9-11 need to be reviewed, beginning with the most beguiling of them all: World Trade Center building number seven fell straight down later on that fateful day but registers in mainstream media as almost a forgotten footnote. This building was the same square footage of one of the towers, half their height but twice their footprint. It was huge, one of the biggest buildings in the world, and it was not struck by a plane nor badly hit by debris from the falling towers. It may have had a diesel fire on its lowest floors, a fire that could never burn hot enough to make the steel frame of the building melt. Yet the building fell down as though every one of its steel columns, back to front and side to side in this massive building, melted and collapsed all at once. The official Congressional investigation, as well as Popular Mechanics, simply said of building seven's collapse that no known theory explains it, and moved on.

The best explanation, assuming we wish to have at least one, is to theorize that it was brought down by controlled demolition. And that means it must have been pre-wired to be brought down, and who would or could do that but someone with regular access, such as members of the many US government overt and covert agencies that maintained offices in this very building? And of course, a plan and the means to bring down building seven presupposes foreknowledge of 9-11 as a whole, and foreknowledge means participation.

It is the fate of building seven that has generated most of the legitimate questioning of the official version of events of 9-11, and it was that incessant questioning that lead to both the official Congressional investigation and the special issue of Popular Mechanics magazine. Yet both investigations, after clouding the issue with brain-numbing detailed examination of the fate of the two towers, completely passed over and ignored questions about building seven.

Five-and-a-half years later, the controlled demolition theory still remains the best theory about why building seven collapsed. Every scientist always goes with the best theory available on any phenomenon, and never accepts no theory at all. Every good scientist does, anyway.

Can someone explain to me...

What Michael and Robert were talking about regarding Building 7 leaning before it fell?

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

WTC 7 Eye Opener

This a great short video about WTC 7 that will open eyes everywhere, pass it on

And wouldn't any of this (supposed) "leaning" be indicative of

some sideways collapse and not of the entire building imploding symmetrically into its footprint at near freefall speed?

Hold on a second--Santa Claus is NOT real??

Oh yeah? Well, smartypants, since you seem to know so mech, the WHO has been giving me all these toys ever year, if not Santa Claus?

And don't you dare bring my parents into this--you don't know me OR my family OK? Let's just stick to your wild claims about this vast conspiracy to deceive the whole world. Where is this conspiracy headquartered? How could so many millions meet WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING to work out the details and get their stories straight--the number of reindeer, ONE of which has a red nose--the location of Santa's base, his use of elf labor--ALL of these details have to be agreed on by millions, with NO ONE SPILLING THE BEANS.

You are truly insane, Mister. Oh wait, you're Canadian. That explains it.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


You tell 'em RT...

Perhaps Bill O'Reilly said it best:

If these Conspiracy Theorist in the "12/25 Truth Movement" are so convinced that Santa Clause is not real, then explain why has not one mainstream media organization blown the whistle on this so-called "cover up"?

Think about it... It's the biggest story of the century (if true). Wouldn't at least ONE reputable news organization want the glory of blowing the cover off of the "FAKE SANTA" story!?!?! It would be huge!!!

Here's one lame pseudo-scientific debunking of 12/25

A few things to note:

1) filed under HUMOR, not science
2) NOT peer-reviewed
3) not published in a reputable printed source but ONLINE

Still, there will be Santa-deniers who will cite these "facts" as somehow disproving the official story. We should just ignore them, no matter how offensive we find their professed skepticism. They were no doubt bad children who are bitter over all the coal they got as kids.

1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.

3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop our of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh an move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purpose of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75« million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding, etc.

This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 time the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, the conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting the "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload -not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

5) 353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now.

Merry Christmas!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Just Google-It!

Google "Fake Santa" and you get even fewer hits than when you google "9/11 Truth". So there!

More people believe 9/11 was an inside job then they believe Santa Clause is fake! Now we KNOW 9/11 was committed by 19 arabs with box cutters; ergo, Santa Clause must be real!!!

Simple logic my friend! Simple logic.

thanks Chris, but...

I feel like if I google "fake santa" I am just encouraging the conspiracists by giving them more hits. I don't need to google it to know that these are a handful of sick individuals polluting the infosphere with their messages of hate.

Thanks for pointing out the connection between Santa and 9/11 denial. It IS very telling that there are more people who deny 9/11 than who deny Santa. I think though that that may have to do with the fact that there have been MANY more movies made about Santa than about 9/11. Why? Because Santa has been around for thousands of years while 9/11 happened recently. As more movies are made setting the record straight about 9/11, all but the hardcore deniers will accept that 19 Arabs With Boxcutters Attacked America Because They Hated Our Freedoms. I think we should make that clear because you know some fool is going to claim the exact opposite, that the MORE people believe something is true, the MORE likely it IS true. It's sick, but that's people for you.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


easy debunking of the above...

1) absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. the chances are quite high that of the 300,000 undocumented species ONE is a breed of flying reindeer, easy.

2) 3.5 children per household is an AVERAGE for the WHOLE WORLD. Christian households tend to be much more well-off and better educated than others, I put the average as two. One boy and one girl.

3) admits he is fudging the numbers. Obviously Christian households are NOT spread evenly arount the earth, but clustered in supportive communities, primarily in the heartland of the United States. The distance he covers is orders of magnitude less than claimed by this "scientist". Plus, he brings up the running speed of conventional reindeer as if it had anything to do with flying reindeer (which he acknowledges probably could maybe exist possibly.

4) A 2 pound lego set? I want to see where he got this figure. One lego piece weighs almost nothing. Multiplied by 50 or so, that is obviously still very little--maybe a couple of ounces. Legos are not made of lead in the REAL world. References to Santa being overweight are ad hominem attacks and do not merit a response. Suffice it to say this guy is grasping to inflate the weight figures to support his hypothesis.

5) This one is barely worth rebutting. Clearly no one has ever observed this burning up of reindeer or the huge sonic booms he describes. Ergo, his calculations must be off (where are the equations he used, huh?) Since we know the toys are delivered on Christmas and no one has witnessed these hypothetical phenomena, we know that there must be something about the flying reindeer's design that makes them very aerodynamic (more like birds than land reindeer) and resistant to heat. Also they probably fly very high in thinner atmosphere for much of their journey, which lowers the air resistance AND cools them off.

I know that the conspiracy theorists will just ignore my devastating rebuttal of their pseudo-science, but what can you do. You can lead a reindeer to the stream of flying berry juice but you can't make it drink. Which is why there are only a handful of flying reindeer, in case that was too difficult for the conspiracy nuts to figure out.



Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force





You guys are simply genious.
I'm a canadian too... by the way.
That is a great debunking demonstration.
Keep on!

aw shucks... we LOVE canucks!

Canadia is America's bestest friend (don't tell Israel or Britain!!!) More and more we look to y'all for guidance, and an invasion to liberate us, Canadia-style!!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


yeah, seriously Drummerboy,

yeah, seriously Drummerboy, when are you guys liberate us from this shit? if Canada doesnt save us who will? ha.

Beautiful mockery of the

Beautiful mockery of the psuedo-logic used by most in the human population ;).

my friend from the NSA has a santa shirt

the front says

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake...

and on the back:

"Because he works for the NSA"

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"the best hypothesis (fires)

"the best hypothesis (fires) only has a low probability of occurence" NIST report wtc7.


the FEMA report from 2002 says so.

excellent article

Building 7 is key to bringing all the lies of 9/11 out into the open, and this article is one of the best I've read. I was amazed that I didn't know this important factoid:

This building was the same square footage of one of the towers, half their height but twice their footprint. It was huge, one of the biggest buildings in the world...

excellent point!

The left-gate keepers at keep removing this article. I wonder why?

They Remove Most of What I Submit

They Remove Most of What I Submit as well. What a conjob! They do not allow it to remain in their "rejected" story section.
No, they remove it, as if it never existed.

BuzzFlash: Cowardly Conmen.

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. M Gandhi

Hell yes, WTC-7 was a huge building! Not some rickety, abandoned

little shack on top of a volcano somewhere.

I donated $20 the The Republic

I figured it was the least I could do. (am not rich). A thank you for being willing to speak truth.

"But what if, after

"But what if, after launching its investigation, the magazine’s editors found that 9-11 was in fact an inside job, and reported this. Where do you think the scientists who made that conclusion, and the magazine's editorial staff who reported it, would be today? When we see the level of vitriol leveled at any questioning of the official version of events that creeps into mainstream media, with accusations of anti-patriotism, treason, and anti-Semitism, it is no surprise few mainstream newspapers will touch 9-11 conspiracies. The lack of reporting on alternative versions of 9-11 in the mainstream press is no evidence of their weaknesses. If anything, the lack of mention of strong alternative theories, except to laugh at the least plausible of them, attests to their strengths. "

now i ask, can "debunkers" who obsess over us understand this? or do they choose to ignore it? hmmm.....

doesnt mention that the pm

doesnt mention that the pm article was by michael chertoff's cousin.....


The Chertoff connection is not true, it was started by the neo-Nazi American Free Press, who called up Benjamin's mother who said something along the line of "Well I guess they are probably related in someway." The two have never met each other. If they were named Michael and Benjamin Smith, you people wouldn't be repeating this bull.

BTW, did you know that Alex Jones was Steven Jones love child?

dear bitch ass , i

dear bitch ass ,
i researched what you said....

alex jones called and confirmed it according to the jones report...

i'm no fan of the fake neo nazi controlled opposition american free press\

benjamin chertoff/michael chertoff------worth mentioning

also popular mechanics is in the hearst corp----total shillness