Radio Host Lionel Talks about Recent Hustler Article

Lionel Radio Show - 01/07/07 - 9MB MP3

I got a heads up that Lionel - host of a show on WOR 710 AM in NYC - covered the recent Hustler article and more regarding 9/11. Check it out.

Thanks to John and for the heads up!


Check out this short interview with Popular Mechanics dunking wimp master, Davin "lyin' son-of-a . . . " Coburn.

I subscribe to Lionel's podcast - listen to it in the mornings the day after. Very entertaining!

Davin Can't Answer a Simple

I love everything about this

I love everything about this video. If my browser could recommend, I would.

:-) Thanks. My buddy Roxdog produced it.

And the call was made by the guy from .

fyi, I always forget to mention that people should continue watching it after the music drops off -- all the way up to the end for the best part -- since the caller is put on hold by Davin for what seems like an eternity.

Davin is like the bumbling

Davin is like the bumbling stooge of the debunking movement. The music is so perfect to match his completely fake tone. And the caller's accent is hilarious too. This is the funniest 9/11 truth related clip I've ever seen.

Danny Bonaduce should play Davin Coburn in the movie

That we will one day produce...

Hey Edward Rynearson...

You should put this on your site too (if it is your site that is) to complement the other Davin stuff...

From the audio link above...

Benjamin Chertoff, "Researcher" for Popular Mechanics, on Coast to Coast AM - March 5, 2005:

I'm glad somebody brought up the Larry Silverstein comment, because we certainly looked at that... What he says is "they decided to pull" which is referring to the fire department. And of course in some circles of the controlled demolition industry "Pull" is used to mean that you actually demolish a building.

Just over a year later, Popular Mechanics changes their story...

Davin Coburn, "Researcher" for Popular Mechanics, on The Charles Goyette Show - August 23, 2006:

Having spoken to any number of large controlled demolition firms... the term "Pull it" is not a demolition term... We have never heard it used that way and neither actually have the people who do this professionally that we spoke to.

God bless Lionel

Very fair take on 9/11 and the fact that he even covered it shows what kind of a man he is.

He promoted "The Power of

He promoted "The Power of Nightmares" again yesterday. He has also put up multiple truth site links on his website.

I urge you to send him a quick email in support -- you know that by our bringing attention to his coverage, the shills and trolls and disinfo creeps are going to be descending on his site. Get in there and identify them for what they are!

We need to ALWAYS politely show support for those who demonstrate any courage. I believe this is even more important than working on the gatekeepers. (They either refuse to immerse themselves in the facts or they are working for another agenda, but if they haven't budged by now, there is a low return on the time invested in them.) I encourage you to read the discussion thread on the Mercola site that developed after he posted the poll showing American disbelief in the OCT to see the important shift that can take place.

Keep it lit!

"I believe this is even more

"I believe this is even more important than working on the gatekeepers. (They either refuse to immerse themselves in the facts or they are working for another agenda, but if they haven't budged by now, there is a low return on the time invested in them.)"

I disagree. Right now the gatekeepers are exactly what the term implies: they are the guardians of the most potent truths. They guard the doors that could swing in either direction. They are the main protectors of the powers that orchestrated 9/11. To say it's not productive to invest time in them (in COUNTERING them) is to say we need not deal with the elite's main psychological body-guard. We HAVE to work through them, otherwise we're fighting a losing battle. I'm not saying we have to try to "convince" them because as you said, they are probably working for another agenda if they havent budged by now. But we have to COMBAT them, usieng physical (non-violent) direct action if necessary.
We need to focus MORE attention on the leftist gatekeepers, not less. So far they are essentially getting a free ride from us. We're trying to work *around* them which will ultimately prove uneffective. We need to treat them as they are: accessories after the fact.

Thanks for the perspective,

Thanks for the perspective, TN.

I'm not saying discard the effort entirely, but I've heard some of them say that they are constantly badgered by the conspiracy theorists, giving the impression that we are becoming more shrill and tiresome. Sure, it's posturing, but it's still a factor. I just don't think more emails and letters will effect any change in the cases of the most militant gatekeepers, especially as their responses have become more boilerplate.

However, I agree wholeheartedly that they should be confronted with their inexplicable positions when truthers are in proximity, such as at an event.

It is more common for people in the media to hear complaints rather than compliments. One of the reasons that Olbermann started pressuring the Administration on Constitutional issues is because he got such a barrage of support and his ratings rose. If the supporters were silent and the objectors were the only voices, I don't think MSNBC would have given him so much license.

As more media types start talking, others are emboldened. Every chink in the armor allows another to peek out. I may be in the minority, but I think it's a waste of time to keep trying with Chomsky, Cockburn, et. al. when they have made it perfectly clear they aren't interested. However, this does not apply to ones who have been silent without stating any position.


I agree with you. We're

I agree with you. We're going to have to find another way. But ignoring them will not help us. Why? Because they still have the upper-hand. They absolutely do.

A good way to "combat" them would be to essentially follow them wherever they make a public appearance. Do what Medea Benjamin does to the neo-cons. Infiltrate the audience then stand up in the middle of the presentation holding a banner. Or even something less militant. Patiently wait our turn to get up to the mic, then ask our questions. I'd LOOOOOOOOVE to see someone do this to Amy Goodman and Michael Moore at a public gathering. The key is, though, that is has to be during a public event with LOTS of audience members. I believe this is a sure-fire way to "handle" the gatekeepers. Trust me, I'm not saying to email them...I've tried this myself actually, and guess how many replies I've received. None. Well, one...and it was incredibly hostile.

I guess the bottom line is, when dealing with gatekeepers, militance is the best strategy now. And to repeat one more time, this is best achieved as an audience member during a presentation or public gathering.

Well said. We agree like

Well said. We agree like wine and cheese!

And it IS a good thing. ;)

And it IS a good thing. ;) Let's reach out to Martha Stewart, imagine her pressing for 9/11 truth? (i know...keep dreaming)

You said this very coherently.


"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe)..... a paraphrase from V: Cast aside the illusions. Only when you are finally hopeless can you truly be free.

GHWB killed JFK

Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen
The Real News Project
Tuesday, January 9, 2007

NEW YORK--Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush's oil company emerged from a 1950's collaboration with a covert CIA officer.

Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a 'real shocker.'

But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush's oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency.

It's Up to You - JFK Speech

Excerpts from the Costner speech in the movie JFK. Intro by JFK(anti-secrecy speech).

the connections are starting to gel

Hey Chris, I'm glad epople are bringing up the Bushes' connections to the JFK murder. I recently read Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper. With a big caveat that I consider no source 100% trustworthy, I have to it opened my eyes in a way that made things start to come together. Piper's thesis is simple. The JFK conspiracy involved a confluence of interests. Those of (in no particular order) anti-Castro Cubans who hoped to frame Castro for the murder), American intelligence rogues (who likewise wanted to thwart JFK's conciliatory stance to Communism), organized crime figures betrayed by the Kennedys (with their own dubious bootlegging ties, by Bobby the Atty General--including Italian and Jewish mafias with their respective ties to intel agencies like CIA and...), Mossad, which wanted Kennedy out of the way because he refused to turn a blind eye to Israel's ruthless pursuit of nuclear weapons.

It is no surprise that all the elements described by Piper are present in 9/11--the parallels are too many to be coincidence. Bushes, organized crime, CIA, and Mossad and a bogus commission to pin it all on a fall guy, a patsy (Osama bin Oswald!) Even Uncle Fetzer plays a role in distracting researchers in both crimes! Wow!

So does the conspiring end (speaking backwards in time) at JFK? Of course not! It is a global oligarchy conspiring throughout history using various peoples, causes, and individuals to further its goal of total global domination.

All of us deserve to know our real history, and that is what we should make clear we are fighting for in this movement.

On an unrelated note, I picked up the Hustler issue-- WARNING - it costs $10.99!! As was explained to me, its because it includes a DVD that, um, doesn't look like Loose Change or 9/11 Mysteries... Oh well, I paid for it so I CAN"T throw it out. ;)

RT out


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


dead on real truther, just

dead on real truther, just like with 9/11, the JFK case has no shortage of suspects. plenty of people/interests wanted Kennedy out of the way. i havent read a whole lot about the Mossad angle in regards to the JFK killing, but wouldnt doubt if their role was similar to their role in 9/11, making sure the plan went off without a hitch. there is no doubt in my mind that George H.W. Bush was in the CIA at the time Kennedy was killed, and was likely in Dallas when the hit occured. he is connected to almost every person involved in the killing in one way or another. his comments at the Ford funeral show that he is still deathly afraid that his role will be uncovered. i love watching the old man squirm with fear. the parallels between the JFK killing and 9/11 cannot be ingored, they still have the same M.O. now about that Hustler issue, i too paid $10.99 for it but didnt get a dvd with it. what gives?!?!?!?!


First of all, the Hustler thig--you probably got it from a dishonest vendor who removed the plastic wrap and sold the DVD on the side. OR some kid removed the plastic and stole the DVD. I assume it came without the plastic wrapper? Anyway, my issue is burning a hole in my bag since I can't really browse it now... can't wait to read that article!! :)

Now, on the JFK thing, I highly recommend Final Judgement if only to learn a lot of things that you never knew--like the fact that Jack Ruby smuggled weapons to Israel, as did the Jewish mob, and that old Joseph Kennedy was a rival of said mob from their days competing in the bootlegging biz. And that bootlegging biz apparently used CLEVELAND as a stop for liquor from Canada, which would then go West to Chicago and East toNew York, Philly, etc. One of Joe's shipments was hijacked at one point by Meyer Lansky's boys, which started the animosity. Joe was also known to be an "anti-semite", who nonetheless made a deal with the mob in Chicago to have JFK "win" there. When Bobby then used his post to go after dad's old enemies, well, you don't get away with that kind of double-cross. In the elction against Nixon, NIXON was painted as a bigot, with faux-right wing propaganda saying "Nazis for Nixon, Kikes for Kennedy". Think Nixon welcomed that kind of support?

Then there's the fact that Vietnam was not really about communism, more about southeast asian drugs. There's the CIA and organized crime again. Kennedy wanted to pull out and ruin that biz. Oops! Now we have organized crime and the CIA cornering the heroin trade using our military to muscle into the Afghan poppy trade. And of course, oil has always been a reason for the global elite to both embrace Zionism and promote divisive radical Islamic autocracies as opposed to pan-Arab socialists who would unite and use oil wealth to benefit the masses instead of a small ruling elite allied with western oil companies.

See, it's NOT just about Israel, but their role can't be ignored, any more than that of America and it's CIA, Britain and its colonial legacy, etc., etc. What we are seeing with the 9/11-fueled exposé of all the false history is each of these factions to the extent that they can trying to either work with the others to salvage what they can of their joint crimes but also to make sure that THEY aren't double-crossed by the others. So we have some leverage in that each faction is going to try to make the other look worse, and if we keep clear heads we can identify the good info from the disinfo and make sure ALL the perps are put out of business.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


You wanna borrow my copy of

You wanna borrow my copy of girl's gone wild? No. But seriously, there is a lot of evidence pointing to a collusion of Mossad and CIA. For one thing, James Jesus Angleton helped set up Mossad. So the covert ties were there and surely lasted through 1963 (and up to today, although I think the alliance formed itself a rogue group which works for global economic interests and wields incredible power). I don't believe Oswald was meant to survive that day. He was supposed to be shot by a Dallas cop but he acted first. The conspirators freaked out. Oswald already starting declaring himself a 'patsy'. Then, Jack Ruby aka Jack Rubinstein, a Jewish mobster, comes along and shoots him. The things people do for their countries....

Dude, no way! No DVD?

I think its underlying premise is much more dubious than anything the Truth Movement has put out, but it's interesting in its own way. I still like 9/11 Mysteries more, though.

a lot of fingernail biting??

I LOVE fingernail biting. can't wait. :)


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Ummm... not so much.

It's, you know, pretty credible as far as character motivations go, but there's this underlying premise, see, that, while not completely divorced from reality, is exaggerated in a manner that undermines the validity of the rest of the argument being made.

BTW, you know I actually entertained the possibility that you were enjoying a CIA-sponsored holiday on the Romanian seacoast. I'm glad you weren't!

Romania is SO cold this time of year

Underlying premise... my god, the suspense is killing me ever so more effectively than the PTB!

As far as motivation, that is SO important in a good truth film. You know one thing that I've been wondering is whether Drs. Jones and Griffin are going to be checking out the article, you know, to make sure they're not misquoted.

As far as AJ and the Loose Changers, I suspect boys are being boys as we speak... :-P


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Don't forget the American Armaments Industry....

....who benefited the most financially from having the path cleared for Vietnam by 11/22/63...just as they have looted America since 9/11.

Interesting things being leaked lately....the Bush43/Abramoff photo also...all that's missing is a bagful of $$$ changing hands.

The George DeMorinschildt (sp.?) connection to 41 has always been to me damning evidence of a Bush/JFK link.armaments

Wow, CNN Lou Dobbs slams NWO & Bushies!

CNN/Dobbs: W Fulfills His Dad's Dream Of A New World Order

Nice find!

Dobbs is a brave man!
The NWO is being exposed on CNN!

Don't get your hopes too

Don't get your hopes too firmly up, Lou Dobbs will cover an important issue then never bring it up again, like 9/11 lol.
I AM surprised that he played Bush Senior using the "NWO" phrase. I'm actually astonished by that. But the elites know how dumbed down most Americans are and probably are counting on the A.D.D. pandemic to quell any potential outrage or even curiosity. So why then, do they bother to mention it at all? To make US think that Lou Dobbs is staring to "come around" only for him to never mention "NWO" even again. Now this IS a theory, and not proven. Speculation on my part.

Neocons Attack “al-Qaeda” in Somalia

It is simply amazing how many times the transparently bogus “al-Qaeda” has been used as an excuse to unleash violence against largely innocent Muslims and yet so few people here in America catch on, preferring to believe the corporate media fed illusion, now hammered firmly into place and accepted as political reality...

I don't mean to be rude, but

I don't mean to be rude, but we probably shouldn't be focusing so much attention on the JFK/RFK/MLK assasinations until after the truth behind 9/11 is unleashed. It doesn't matter anyway since the same forces were behind all of them. The goal is not so much truth (of course that comes with the territory), the goal is justice. Oh, and...speed.

dead wrong.

the same forces were behind them yet we shouldnt focus on them? huh? wanna try again?

Diarist "PeakDavid" just got the DailyKos treatment

for a well-written diary on the Hustler article over there. The comments are just not to be believed. I would like to retract my statement, made in another thread, that I have no interest in seeing people die.

PeakDavid's Diary