David Ray Griffin/Kevin Barrett on Dynamic Duo today (Monday)

From Kevin Barrett;

David Griffin will be my guest on gcnlive.com, (Network 2) 3-5 p.m. Central. We'll be discussing his forthcoming book Debunking the Debunkers, as well as his other 9/11 work, including the book he inspired that I helped edit, 9/11 and the American Empire v.2, which should be shipping next week:

Please feel free to call in at (800) 259-5791.

Kevin Barrett

I didn't know...

DRG was writing a book about debunking the debunkers. He should have consulted with me. :)

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

No Shit...

....with all the practice you've gotten recently vis-a-vis Weick-off, you are 911Blogger's Doberman Pinscher in the House of Truth....


Granted, it's one way to keep your 9/11 Truth chops up....

I honestly...

Hate having to say the same things over and over again. Their "advantages" are, they don't have to tell the truth, and they can ignore anything you say, so as to make the same statements over and over again.

Debunker: All of your questions have been answered.

Truther: What does Sibel Edmonds know?

(Debunker goes away only to return the next day stating...)

Debunker: All of your questions have been answered.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Big Sibel Edmonds update at 9/11 Timeline

:) ....

....that's actually pretty funny,....once you have some distance from it....and see you were not in a quest for the "truth" about 9/11, or debating someone who has honest questions about the events of that day and all that surrounds it....but someone who is here to distract you from more productive truthing and dissipate your energy and time...believe me, I know: it's a lesson we all have to learn....

We lose just by engaging these obvious divisive elements...until we decide not to play...and then "win"....

Let's spend our time and efforts sharing what we've learned to that middle third of Americans we can still reach...rather than waste it on the Weick-offs of the world...

That, indeed, is the reason

That, indeed, is the reason why "do not feed the trolls" have been a mantra of all serious discussion boards since the internet became popular. Something that not everybody here is very good at, unfortunately.

Show "Advantage" by James (not verified)

how many times you gotta be told?

james said,

Actually the conspiracy theorists have the advantage, they have an infinite number of positions they can take.

millions & millions of people, ONE position!

New investigation. simple.

The "Official Story"

The "Official Story" is all I need to convince me 9/11 was an inside job. Osama with his lap-top in his "Bat Cave" in Afghanistan pulled off 9/11? Ya right...........And Oswald killed JFK with his trusty bolt-action!!!..........Please, give me a break James.


He didn't consult you Jon???

I had to change my number he was calling so much.... ;)

DRG probably didn't think you would be able to keep a secret..... you know that a conspiracy can be kept hidden only if it involves one person..... because if there is more than one person involved it is sure to be leaked.... I learned that from a FBI expert on conspiracies.....

Could you keep it quiet that they were putting a book together to debunk the debunkers?..... we both know that would be a big NO!

Maybe it is time for you to conspire to write your own book.... because eveybody knows .....we are all in it for the money

Bling Bling


If keeping a secret helped this movement, then I could keep a secret.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

One of my favorite moments in debunking self destruction . .


Budding sociopath Davin "head up his ass" Coburn debates a real man.

I am not certain how this

I am not certain how this shows Davin Coburn debating a "real man."

Were Coburn and his interviewer BOTH unaware that the DNA that was matched at the WTC site was compared to the DNA found in hairs left by the terrorists in their hotel rooms?

It sounds like two real stupid men if you ask me.

Show "Hey Jon, How does your arse" by Anonymous (not verified)

As I said...

Their "advantages" are, they don't have to tell the truth, and they can ignore anything you say, so as to make the same statements over and over again.

And my last exchange with Ronny ended with me waiting for him to tell me what Sibel Edmonds knows.

He has yet to respond with a comprehensive answer.

In other words, my "arse" feels just fine.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "I don't know what she" by Anonymous (not verified)


Here is my last exchange with Ronny... seems like I faired pretty well...

Jon Gold:
Every word...
Is a lie. You should be banned because your only purpose here is to lie.

Here's a question. Why can't I know what Sibel Edmonds knows?

Lying shill:
Batting Practice

Why can't you know what the average six-year old knows? Answer: you're not very bright.

We're still waiting for an example of a "lie" I've told. This game is an old one for me, Jon. I chop ignoramuses to pieces, they babble more nonsense, I crush them again, they accuse me of lying. Yawn. Somehow, I never get to see their evidence.

For reasons that defy explanation, you continue to quote Bush making an important point. Yes, we were caught napping by the jihadists and were given, in a painful manner, an opportunity to make up for our past failures. If you get your way, that opportunity will be lost, America will be thwarted and the threat of radical Islam will grow. The opportunity to change the dynamics of the Middle East, to introduce hope and prosperity where there has been only despair, must be opposed by you because it benefits America. That it benefits millions of people living benighted lives is irrelevant to your transparent agenda. People, very simply, are not things you care about.

This free speech business isn't working out very well, is it , Jon? You're much more comfortable with the Stalinist approach. It's time to lower the boom.

Jon Gold:

You didn't answer my question comprehensively.

Agreeing with Bush that 9/11 was an opportunity "to make up for past failures" by creating several more in a murderous, unconstitutional fashion, proves that your mind is as I said. Delusional and warped.

What does Sibel Edmonds know Ronny? Please answer that question comprehensively. Thanks.

If you need help, I'll be more than happy to find you a six year old. Except, they probably couldn't answer that question comprehensively either. Unless the six year old was related to people like Dennis Hastert, or John Ashcroft.

Nothing... Nothing... Nothing... from Ronny.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "Well...to be fair...there" by Anonymous (not verified)


I know a lot about what Sibel knows, but I don't know specifics. Reason being, she testified before the 9/11 Commission for 3 hours, and they gave her a footnote in the back of the book. John Ashcroft used the States Secrets Privilege to make her the "most gagged person in American History." As a result, she's not allowed to tell me the specifics of what she knows.

However, she has been quoted as saying that no less than 10 American names that she recognized would be standing trial and facing prosecution criminally if 9/11 were truly investigated.

I'd like to know those 10 American names. Wouldn't you?

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "If there's any validity to" by Anonymous (not verified)

Ah but...

Because you're a useless debunker, you don't recognize the obvious ties to the financing of 9/11 Sibel is familiar with. You know... what the Commission referred to as "of little practical significance..." Seems to me you need to read a little bit more.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "You can't use what you don't" by Anonymous (not verified)

Poor Ronnie--all his

Poor Ronnie--all his accounts here have been banned. Very sad...

Hugs and kisses!

Show "Yeah...because you dolts" by Anonymous (not verified)

I was just offering my

I was just offering my condolences, Ronnie. You know I'm not a twoofer anymore!

Hugs and kisses!

And tell the wife those are "sisterly" hugs and kisses--she seems to have gotten the wrong idea...


There is an obvious conspiracy to cover-up what Sibel Edmonds knows. The fact that John Ashcroft used the states secrets privilege to gag her is proof positive of that, as well as the 3 hours of testimony before the 9/11 Commission that they disregarded when the time came to publish their report.

And... what makes you think you can include me in a statement like, "You're basing your beliefs of a cover-up on information that neither of us knows about" when I have an entire blog dedicated to what Sibel Edmonds knows about here.

You should really learn to read.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "There's no irrefutable" by Anonymous (not verified)

Which again proves...

My initial statement that debunkers, "don't have to tell the truth."

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

This is really...

A ridiculous conversation to be having. In fact, I'm done with it.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Show "You must spend a lot of" by Anonymous (not verified)

What's not ridiculous about this conversation?

There is an obvious cover-up regarding Sibel Edmonds. Sibel Edmonds is related to 9/11 simply by the fact that she testified before the 9/11 Commission. Also, because the family members had to fight for the Commissioners to hear her testimony.

You're trying to act as if there is no cover-up regarding Sibel, and that is ridiculous.

Hence the reason this conversation is over.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

I was reading a thread at

I was reading a thread at democraticunderground about the discrepancies pilots for 911 truth found in the NTSB's animation of the flight data recorder for AA77. The disinfo trolls latch on to what they determine to be the weakest part of the arguement and totally ignore all other questions. That narrowmindedness exposes their agenda for all to see. Maybe this forum should incorporate an ignore function like democraticunderground has just done. Sure would put a kink in the trolls effectiveness.

no no

don't you dismiss the Pentagon too quickly. Many truthers (like me) began learning about 9/11 truth while researching what happened to the Pentagon, an event that never received as much coverage in the media as did the WTC.

And the recent PF911T presentation turns the whole Pentagon story into excellent truth-ammunition. Ammunition independent of whether the govt. will eventually show us a crystal clear video of a Boeing crashlanding on the Pentagon lawn, _independent_ because the mismatching black box data will remain in contradiction, so either it will serve as evidence of tampering with the black box or evidence of tampering with the "crystal clear" footage.

Also let's not forget Shanksville! In the words of Charlie Sheen: If there's a problem here, then there's a problem with the whole thing!!

G) Jon is a Zionist

G) Jon is a Zionist


I can't seem to get the GCN steam up and running today on my Mac.......Any suggestions?....I really want to here this!Radical Pragmatist

real player

do you have real player?

Problem solved...Thank You.

It was my Real Player.Radical Pragmatist

Absolute Proof of a Conspiracy

I have a hypothetical scenario. If you knew of 9/11 in advance and we're able to collect absolute evidence that it was an inside job (e.g. high speed cameras at the Pentagon proving it wasn't a plane, evidence that their were no hijackers, that the buildings were demolished, etc) so you could prove to the American people and the world that we're secretly ran by an evil organization that plan to use 9/11 to declare total war on the world to eventually lead to a global Nazi-like policestate...

would you allow 9/11 to happen to collect the evidence to expose the evil of the global elite


stop 9/11 from happening but ensure the possibility that the global elite would try again at sometime in the future and most likely succeed, ultimately leading to their one world government of total control

The End Justifies the Means

Now assume you are part of the global elite, burdened with great wealth and the responisbility to the lead the masses and shape the world to the greater good (to them more control = more stability = better world).

Having known that war is the greatest way to change society, your associates have opened Pandora's Box of chaos utilizing your method of problem-reaction-solution / Hegelian dialect. You know that it is almost a certainty that a terrorist will cause a mass killing in the U.S., possibly detonating a nuclear bomb and killing millions.

This would undoubtedly shake America to its core and possibly destablize the entire world. To prevent this and continue on your gradual method of slowly changing the world, you decide to plan a "Controlled Terrorist Attack" that has a lot of shock value but with very little death and minimal disruption to the global system.

Thus, "Controlled Terrorism" is better than "Uncontrolled Terrorism". So after the controlled 9/11, you now have the justification to increase military spending, limit civil liberties, and go to war with the Middle East for control of oil and to shape a new world order. The 3,000 people who you killed in the Controlled Terrorist Attack was very small in comparison to the number who would certianly be killed eventually in an Uncontrolled Terrorist Attack.

To you, your results create a global Utopia of world peace, even though liberty, freedom, soverignty, religion and individualism is mostly eliminated. There is no more war, there is no more starvation -- you have achieved the noble greater good dreamt by so many.


So what is worse? Both scenarios can be rationalized and justified as having noble intentions. It all goes to what you think the end result is and if it's worth it. I think the 9/11 movement really should study the psychology behind how 9/11 could have been an inside job. How people could remain silent about the conspiracy because they sincerely believe it will eventually save the world. And also have the truth movement offer a counter solution to the current global elites goals for a new world order.

The world is in chaos, clearly things have to change...let's not let a bunch of evil selfish banking/corporate/collectivists mold the world to benefit the select few.

(I'm a libertarian. I don't agree with allowing 9/11 to happen, just a thought experiment)

(People say, well why would they need to fly the planes into the buildings AND demolish them so they came down? Wouldn't doing one or the other justify us going to war? For only 3,000 people dying, 9/11 provided massive shock value in seeing two (three) skyscrapers fall down and the Pentagon on fire)

Why and How

Unless there's solid physical evidence or a top level whistle blower that comes forward, I doubt we'll ever be able to fully debunk the debunkers. Sure we can counter their argument, but it will become an endless debate like the JFK assassination.

I think the psychology of how 9/11 could be an inside job is a great way to show cause. If we can argue the reasons some may believe 9/11 was a good and necessary event, perhaps than people can get past the "oh I can't believe my government would ever do such a thing" mentality. Similiar to the Pearl Harbor books that argue that allowing the attack was a good thing to get us in the war, etc.

In addition, I think the 9/11 truth movement needs to offer a solution to the entire truth movement, like the information mentioned in Aaron Russo's documentary. If we can offer counter solutions to the Federal Reserve and their global system, then we can beat them at their own game.

Perhaps my posts got voted down for being off topic, but I sincerely believe to convince anyone of the truth you have to adquetely explain WHY and offer a counter-HOW to fix the problem 9/11 allegedly solves.

Generic Letter to Congressman/woman or Senator:

Generic Letter to Congressman/woman or Senator:

My Lovely Family of Truthbearers and fellow Info-Warriors,

Here for YOUR convenience is a letter that I am sending to ALL the Congress Critters and Senate Toads in Colorado. I will then start sending them to every other one in all the other states. We must all unite and do the same. Please!!!

Use this letter to send if you agree with it. If you choose to, add to it or change it to your comfort. Regardless, send it, mail it, fax it, and call it in to your critters/toads right now! This is still The Way to try to stop ALL THE INSANITY and the potential of more war in Iran or Syria. WE MUST ALL STAND UP TO THE HORRIBLE CORRUPTIONS AND LIES OF THE EVIL BEAST THAT WANTS TO BEFALL US ALL!!



(Full Page Ad placed in the New York Times 1-12-07)

((Print it and paste this ad above everywhere))

Please take just a few minutes to send this after YOU sign it. Taper it for a Congressman/woman or your Senator, but just send it. Do it while we are still free enough to speak our mind.

Please do this for YOUR future, the future of your families and children, and of course, YOUR COUNTRY!!

Thank you and bless you.

Dr Jay


Dear Congressman and or Senator,

Today I write to you in total disgust of your inability to properly represent the people that elected you. This country is in terrible trouble and the drums of distress, earth changes, False Flag Threats, and fear mongering about more wars beat in the back ground. The propagandistic media system fans the fires of fear and deception all so well orchestrated and paid for by our taxes and run by a zionist agenda. Your inability to do your job is now under scrutiny and America’s demise is in the distance. Pay attention please.

It is with a troubled heart that I write this letter. I want to point out my complaints and ask that you immediately do something RIGHT NOW to change these terrible situations:

1. The possible coming war in Iran or any other country is absolutely wrong. We already are embroiled in several war fronts that are all for the profits of the Oil corporations, the Bush Crime Family, and other banking institutions. These wars founded on lies and deceits are certainly not in the best interest of the People of these United States. The People here do not want a war with Iran and we see the set-ups for an attack and or another False Flag Event like 9/11 was to possibly trigger this outcome. Everyone knows about the 9/11 Cover Up. Anyone in denial of this horrible planed Event still is either part of the plan, or just plain stupid. Are you plain stupid or part of the evil plan?

2. We must end the war in Iraq right now! Support our Troops!! Bring them all home RIGHT NOW!!! Actions to bring all troops home must start immediately!!!! We the real American People support our Troops and we want them HOME NOW!!!!! This is REAL SUPPORT!!!!!!

3. Get rid of the privately owned corrupted evil Federal Reserve System and the illegal Income Tax and replace it with our own monetary and tax system based on Gold and Silver and fair trade wages for labor. Print our own fiat money to pay off the corrupt fiat money debt then go on the Gold and Silver backed U.S. Green-Back.



If you do not begin to actively and full heartedly pursue these requests of the People in your Voting District, I will begin the paperwork for RECALL ELECTIONS in 90 days. We the people elected you all and we can un-elect you all just as fast. The People of this country AND YOUR VOTING DISTRICT are sick and tired of the corruption and lackey like behavior from you who are supposed to represent we the People. We want you to do what you were elected to do and that is to represent the people. The people want the wars stopped and the Bush cabal impeached and brought to justice for high treason's before they start any more wars that will be the demise of us all.

We Demand that you end all the wars immediately!

If you truly support the troops, bring them all home now!!

If you love this country, then defend her and live up to the oath of allegiance to America and the Constitution upon which all Laws here are based. All our children’s futures are at stake here.

"Shat of get off the pot" is what Grandpa used to say. Well Sir or Madam, the message here is clear. END THE WARS AND IMPEACH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOW! The truths have been long written on the walls of history. The ball is in your court and we the People are watching to see what your next actions are going to be. Will we have to recall you?

Sincerely, an American with all the rights of our Constitution,



PLEASE sign this and send it.

Thank you again for your help to try and save America.

Dr Jay

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D R Griffin is a nuclear weapon!

He's like the biggest ammo dump of pertinent information.... ever...

everybody.....load up!

Defense Secretary Robert Gates ....

Not sure what you people dream of at night...
What is REALLY going on, is well hidden from you.
You are not in FOCUS, you are being distracted WHOLESALE 24/7.
But you knew that... and who am I to knock...

Debunking? Debunkers? Important to know, but in the end it is petty infighting.
The reality is OVERT. You *could* know. But lets test it. Does the following article
present you with a new viewpoint? If it does... we are in trouble.

Bush administration threatens Iraqi prime minister as Baghdad bloodbath is prepared

By James Cogan 15 January 2007

The Bush administration has again threatened to dispose Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki if he does not fully collaborate with its surge of troops into Iraq and its plans for a brutal crackdown against the Shiite fundamentalist movement led by cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

Since Bush’s speech detailing the escalation of the Iraq war last Wednesday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has stated on several occasions that Maliki is “living on borrowed time”. The newly appointed Defense Secretary Robert Gates issued the bluntest threat. Speaking before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday, Gates was directly asked what would happen if the Iraqi prime minister baulked at the US agenda. Gates replied: “I think the first consequence that he has to face is the possibility that he will lose his job.”

That the destruction of the Sadrists is a primary objective of the deployment of 17,000 additional American troops to Baghdad is an open secret in the US and Iraq. As it pursues its reckless course of establishing American domination over the oil resources of the Middle East, the Bush administration is not prepared to co-exist with a movement that has mass support among the Shiite Iraqi working class and has pledged that its Mahdi Army militia will take up arms in defense of Iran in the event of a US attack. The US military views the Mahdi Army as a dangerous Iranian fifth column and has agitated for its destruction since an uneasy truce was struck to end an anti-occupation Sadrist uprising in 2004.

A joint US-Iraqi government force is in the process of assembling for an offensive into Sadr City, the densely populated Shiite suburb of Baghdad where Sadr derives his main support. A brigade of the US 82nd airborne division is moving from Kuwait to the Iraqi capital to join two American armoured brigades, as are three predominantly Kurdish brigades of the Iraqi army. The American military command insisted on the Kurdish units as most of the Iraqi government troops currently in Baghdad are Shiites. Many support or sympathise with Sadr and may refuse to fight.

By mid-February, some 40,000 American and Iraqi troops, backed by massive air power, will be in position for savage ...


Show "911: A Zionist Job" by Concrete man (not verified)

He's not out to prove a theory

He has thoroughly and completely proved that the 9/11 Commission Report is one big myth. He has never tried to prove any particular theory so we're not going to hear about Zionism from him or any other "theory".

strangest part of the

strangest part of the 911truth movement-----

in oct 2001, mossad agents were caught red handed with bombs trying to blow up the mexican national parliament building----

this was reported once on cnn---and was all over the mexican media
smoking gun of mossad/cfr complicity in 911
it is amazing that no one ever brings this up----

jeff rense=no
alex jones=no
david ray griffin=no
scholars for 911truth=no

nobody in the "established" 911truth movement will touch it-----

cause theyre all shill controlled opposition bitches

hi Randkiller, could you

hi Randkiller, could you supply a link or two of this event? if no one's talking about it, please help us get up to speed on this. thanks.

never mind, here's the links

en espanol: http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol01/oct/b69701.html

Thanks for letting me know about this, I find it extremely interesting.
A suggestion, rather than namecalling people who are ignorant or don't focus on censored and/or obscure false flag ops around the world, why not just provide them w/ the info and then question why that info isn't more widely known?

Show "Let Me Guess, We'll Get A Lot of "No Real Truther Believes X"" by Brainster (not verified)

What did the government know? PLENTY!!

One of the main arguments for foreknowledge of 9-11 is that any rational person looking at the warnings and evidence accumulated by U.S. officials before 9-11 would have concluded that an attack was going to occur. To not have put in motion measures to stop it therefore proves complicity.

Consider two clues:

The FAA has a “Red Team” whose job it is to try to smuggle explosives and weapons past airport checkpoints to test airport security. According to Bogdan Dzakovic, a member of the team, airport security failed 90 percent of the tests, but the FAA did nothing about it, essentially blocking further tests.

A report by the Library of Congress to the National Intelligence Council stated: ‘Suicide bomber belonging to Al Qaeda’s Martyrdom Battalion could crash land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the C.I.A. or the White House.’

The New Yorker reports that according to Richard A. Clarke, U.S. National Coordinator for Counterterrorism in the White House, about ten weeks before 11th September, the U.S. intelligence community was convinced that a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda on U.S. soil was imminent. Seven to eight weeks prior to the 11th September attacks, all internal U.S. security agencies were warned of an impending Al-Qaeda attack against the Untied States that would likely occur in several weeks time: “Meanwhile, intelligence had been streaming in concerning a likely Al Qaeda attack. ‘It all came together in the third week in June,’ Clarke said. ‘The C.I.A.’s view was that a major terrorist attack was coming in the next several weeks’.” On July 5th, Clarke “summoned all the domestic security agencies—the Federal Aviation Administration, the Coast Guard, Customs, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the F.B.I.” and informed them “of an impending attack.”

Approximately 4 weeks prior to 11th September, the CIA took seriously specific information of an impending Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil. The Associated Press reports that: “Officials also said the CIA had developed general information a month before the attacks that heightened concerns that bin Laden and his followers were increasingly determined to strike on U.S. soil.” A CIA official affirmed that: “There was something specific in early August that said to us that he was determined in striking on U.S. soil.” AP elaborates that: “The information prompted the CIA to issue a warning to federal agencies.”

So it is clear that the U.S. intelligence community was anxiously anticipating an imminent Al-Qaeda attack in the next few weeks. But that is not all. The specific method of the attacks – using planes as missiles or bombs – was also known by U.S. intelligence. The U.S. intelligence community received warnings six months before 11th September, warnings which were repeated again three months before that date, that “Middle Eastern terrorists” planned to hijack planes to use as missiles against prominent American buildings. These warnings were not ignored or dismissed. On the contrary, they were taken very seriously by the U.S. intelligence community. Newsbytes, an online division of the Washington Post, reported in mid-September that:

“U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany’s daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

“The FAZ, quoting unnamed German intelligence sources, said that the Echelon spy network was being used to collect information about the terrorist threats, and that U.K. intelligence services apparently also had advance warning. The FAZ, one of Germany’s most respected dailies, said that even as far back as six months ago western and near-east press services were receiving information that such attacks were being planned. Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified, the FAZ said.”

The last comment - “Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” - is crucial. It clearly indicates that in response to the ECHELON warnings, the entire U.S. intelligence community - all U.S. intelligence agencies - were on alert for a hijacking attempt that would attempt to hurl planes into “symbols of American” culture. So the U.S. intelligence community knew both that an Al-Qaeda attack was imminent, and also that the attack would attempt to use civilian planes as bombs to hit prominent U.S. targets.

John McMurtry cites another revealing piece of evidence indicating specifically that U.S. intelligence had been aware that these targets were located in lower Manhattan – the World Trade Center is of course the most prominent terrorist target in that district, particularly since it had already been targeted in the past by terrorists linked to bin Laden in 1993:

“Perhaps most remarkably, there had been direct warnings from the Republican Party’s own past Chief Investigative Council for the House Judiciary Committee to the closed decision circuits of Congress and the Bush administration. Representing F.B.I. special agents suing the U.S. Justice Department (along with Washington-DC Judicial Watch), David Philip Schippers reported in Houston on October 10 on the ‘Alex Jones Talk Show’ that these agents knew of a plan of bin Laden’s network to attack Lower Manhattan with ‘commercial airlines as bombs’ long before 9-11, but were blocked from investigative and preventative action by F.B.I. and U.S. Justice Department command, and threatened with prosecution under the National Security Act if they published this information. Attorney-General Ashcroft himself, reports Schippers, refused to return calls on this matter to his fellow senior Republican for four weeks before 9-11.”

At the same time, U.S. intelligence was aware that suspected terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden were training at U.S. flight schools. The Washington Post reported, for instance, that the FBI had in fact known this for several years - yet, absolutely nothing had been done about it:

“Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony… A senior government official yesterday acknowledged law enforcement officials were aware that fewer than a dozen people with links to bin Laden had attended U.S. flight schools.”

All this information was widely known in the U.S. intelligence community. U.S. intelligence operatives were fully aware of their dire implications. But they were forced into a state of inaction by the studious passivity of Washington. One active FBI counter-terrorism investigator, for instance, testifies that it was widely known “all over the Bureau, how these [warnings] were ignored by Washington...
What is clear from this data is that it is wrong to assume that one agency had one bit of information, another agency had another, and due to incompetence either the information was not taken seriously or it was not connected, or both. On the contrary, the entire U.S. intelligence community was alerted to the relevant information, and took it seriously. Given that the White House Counterterrorism Security Group, coordinating the findings of all federal agencies, was working incessantly on the Al-Qaeda plot prior to 9/11, this is not surprising.

A few weeks prior to September 11th 2001, the intelligence community thus anticipated: an imminent Al-Qaeda terrorist attack on U.S. soil; the hijacking of civilian planes to be used as missiles to target iconic structures symbolic of American power; the targeting of buildings in lower Manhattan. But preventive action in response to this precise information – such as apprehending Al-Qaeda operatives at U.S. flight schools - was blocked from Washington.

The above analysis demonstrates that even a cursory inspection of some pertinent facts suffices to discredit the simplistic “incompetence theory”. Instead, the facts clearly indicate that the Washington political echelon simply refused to act on accurate and precise intelligence of the impending attacks.
Now, why is that? CB? Killtown? Ronnie? Brainster?

Passenger jet hijackings are not uncommon and the U.S. government has prepared detailed plans to handle them. On Sept. 11 these plans were ignored in their entirety… Here are the FAA regulations concerning hijackings: ‘The FAA hijack coordinator…on duty at Washington headquarters will request the military to provide an escort aircraft for a confirmed hijacked aircraft… The escort service will be requested by the FAA hijack coordinator by direct contact with the National Military Command Center (NMCC).’ Here are the instructions issued by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on June 1, 2001: ‘In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will…forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.’… The U.S. is supposed to scramble military aircraft the moment a hijacking is confirmed.
Why were exercises planned on 9/11, simulating hijacked planes, despite all the warnings? Certainly it was figured to cause great confusion; To allow the planes to reach their destination without any resistance. Not a hard one to figure out.

Good summary

of the evidence for foreknowledge, which in this case constitutes complicity which constitutes treason, mass murder,and certainly "high crimes" subject to IMMEDIATE IMPEACHMENT OF BUSH-CHENEY.

Add to this all the evidence of complicity in covering up after the fact, and you have a mountain of criminal evidence that would stand up in any court. HOW CAN WE ALLOW THESE CRIMINALS TO REMAIN IN OFFICE?

Off Topic (As usual, right?)

Anyone see 60 Minutes last night? I was told bush was asked, quoting my friend, "How he felt/what he thought of the accusations that there's more proof of our government being involved in perpetrating 911 than there is against any radical muslims?"

This would be huge if true. I believe my friend, but I have to see it for myself. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I found a podcast of the interview.

Nothing more than Scott Pelley performing oral sex on bush for 19 minutes. Too good to be true, as I thought.

Is this show archived anywhere?

I'd appreciate a link, because in Europe one would have to wake up in the middle of the night to catch the show.

Show "911: A Hoaxacost for the 21st century" by Creempuff (not verified)

No one is listening to you

No one is listening to you bunch of losers. The 911 "truth" will NEVER come out. Get used to that! Kennedy was killed 40 years ago and the "truth" hasn't come out about that. America is corrupt to the core and everyone knows that. The majority of the population is corrupt, that's why you the leaders you deserve to have.

Link Please to "60 Minutes" audio

I did not watch the 60 Minutes show but Dr. Stan Monteith has mentioned this interview several times (RadioLiberty.com).

I would be happy to do a transcription if I could at least get the audio.

What Dr. Stan said was that the interviewer asked Mr. Bush how he could send 20,000 more troops to Iraq when the people of the U.S.A. do not support him or his war on Iraq. (a paraphrase)

Mr. Bush replied, according to Dr. Stan, that he (Bush) did not care what the people of the USA thought of him or his plans because he was the decider.

Now, that to me, is also a rather profound revelation for all to see and hear.

Ladies and gentlemen, we the people do not "elect" dictators in the constitutional republlic of the United States of America.

The Iraq war (and coming explanded Middle East war) is a LIE WAR


9-11 was an inside job

Troops HOME NOW.

We need to hit the streets in protests big time right now in growing numbers because our phone calls, emails, letters and faxes are being ignored wholesale by our totally purchased fake U.S. congress members. We must act to stop the murder of thousands of more innocent people. we clearly have a treasonous murderous lying president in power and he must be stopped NOW.

(If anyone can get the link, please email it to me so I'll be sure to get it.)

Men and women become accomplices to the evil they fail to oppose.

Blessings from Dachsie in Austin.

Here ya' go.


This was what I found interesting about the 'interview'. I just wonder if Pelley is asking his own questions or if they're from a prepared list.

"PELLEY: Your military officers say that Iranian agents today are killing American troops on the ground in Iraq. Is that an act of war on the part of Iran against the United States?

BUSH: I think what they're saying is, is that the Iranians are providing equipment that is killing Americans. Either way it's unacceptable. As I said in my speech the other night, we will take measures to protect ourselves. We will interrupt supplies. We will find people that if they are, in fact, in Iraq killing Americans, they'll be brought to justice.

PELLEY: Is that an act of war against the United States on the part of the Iranian government? "


Getting the Sheeple ready for war with Iran.

Where/how to find the inteview

It's probably an embarrasing question, but how and where to find/listen to the interview?. I'm a little lost on the gcn-site.


Try this....

Log into the GCN site with username : gcn and password: member (this is a trial membership ) Then look in the archives of 'The dynamic Duo' for last nights show.

I was the second to the last caller on the show last night. I plugged the 911 blogger activism page, and asked Dr. Griffin what question or 911 evidence he would use if he was personally debunking the debunkers like John MCain in New Hampshire, ala the 'truth squads' that Webster Tarpley and others have suggested.Radical Pragmatist

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot!

“David Icke” cited in Kevin Barrett’s new book “Truth Jihad”?

"Truth Jihad reviewed by Jim Hogue, Vermont 9/11 Truth activist, Green Party gubernatorial candidate, radio personality, and farmer:..

Dr. Barrett has done his homework. He cites Griffin, Tarpley, Meyssan, Icke, Ahmed, Clarke, Zwicker, Vidal, Ruppert, Marrs, Hopsicker, Honegger, Hicks and many others."

Does anyone know if this is the "David Icke", because I'm sure he has done a lot of work that makes sense but he has also told people that shape-shifting Lizard men run the planet. Now if this is the one and only David Icke I think Kevin Barrett would be destroying the credibility of his book with just one quotation from this man. And I can’t understand why he’s unable to see that distinct possibility.

Please can someone get a confirmation from Kevin that this is or is not David Icke? O’Reilly would got to town on “Truth Jihad” if this is true, and he’d have legitimate ammo to fire this time also.

Lizard People

I'm agnostic on the Lizard People at this point. I used to think Alex Jones was an over-amped "nut". Now I just wish he was a nut.

"Sweet Jesus I Hate Billy OLieLee!"

Icke is brilliant and at this point I'm praying for extra-terrestrial intervention.

David Icke's a good guy.

A little crazy? Maybe, but then so were/are a lot of brilliant people. All I know is the things he says regarding the 'Lizard People' are no crazier than what popular religions espouse, and he's backed up by a whole lot of what 'they' call 'mythology'. The key thing is he's been speaking out against the Elites for a long time and they have done all they can to smear him.

Watch a couple of his vids on google. You will come away more enlightened, with a better understanding of the 'Illuminated Ones', and a glimpse of history we aren't supposed to see.

Lizard People

You are right that Truthers do need to be concious of what can be used against us, and to guard against it.

Although, it should be noted many of the "lightworkers" like Icke have been right on about the dark forces at work for a long time. And I can't help noticing that these criminals look more like reptiles every day that goes by.

How do we buy the book , Debunking 9/11 Debunking?

I'm looking all over for the book by Griffen but can't find it. Where is it?