New book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by Dr. Griffin due out in March

A new book by Dr. David Ray Griffin called “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” is due out in March.

Source:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781566566865&itm=2

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/sr=1-4/qid=1168895874/ref=sr_1_4/102-30285...

my blog on the subject

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5721

I can't wait for the Griffin book. I can already see Meigs squirming.

Jason Bermas to Jim Meigs: "I'm not calling anybody a liar, I'm calling YOU a liar, sir, because your ARE a liar." LOLOL

Looking forward to it

I love the title. 

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I hope to see two things in there...

The claim on pp 40-41 of PM's book that the steel melted because it just sat cooking under rubble for so long, and Davin Coburn's short-lived career as media spokesman for PM, until he was taken off the case after his disastrous appearance on Charles Goyette's radio show. Go, DR.G !!!!

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Rubble

Yes... in the boy scouts we learned that if you are ever in the wilderness and you need to keep warm.... just gather up a bunch of rubble and make a pile.

rubbing sticks together is a thing of the past!
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i caused a few forest fires that way...

Problem was, the wood we covered with rubble kept getting hotter and hotter, melted the rocks and started a lava flow that we couldn't "stamp out cold" as Smokey the Bear had advised us to.

We even had a case of spontaneous combustion when one kid zipped himself into his sleeping bag and got hotter and hotter until >poof< he combusted.

Man, those were the days!

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We used to always cheat a bit

We would bring our own office furnishings.

They are so hard to find in the forest anymore.

I have always wondered how junk yards and landfills keep from being towering infernos??
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how did you pulverize your concrete?

We learned that by dropping a concrete block just ten feet it would become totally pulverized. The thick layer of concrete dust that would cover our campground was so much nicer to sleep on than bare ground. I hear nowadays you don't even need office furniture to make the fire, BTW--apparently the kids today all just use their cell phones to dial in their GPS location and a beam from space lights their fire.

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Old fashioned

I don't use any of those new fangled doo daddies....

we cheat the concret too.... just pour some mortar mix on the various rubbles

Just add water!
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add some sulfur...

and a bit of barium, and your fire will last for weeks !!!!

Whatever you do don't add tires (vulcanized with sulfur etc) or it'll last for months...




"Fires in large tire piles are hard, if not impossible, to extinguish. Some have taken months to burn out.


Good luck all

recycling steel

The steel recycling industry has discovered a new way to melt steel. Start a fire fueled by refined kerosene and let it rush down 800 ft shafts. (Still in testing stages)
Demolition teams are studying building 7 collapse hoping to capitolise on the idea of collapsing buildings without expolsives.

Goyette rocks the

Goyette rocks the house!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

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I hope...

the author of the following "article" reads Dr. Griffin's new book.

The same old shit again...

Time for LTTE's!

A credible terrorist threat does exist, and by accusing the wrong people for these attacks,
we are essentially excusing these terrorists for committing the most deadly attack on our country in modern history.
And that is truly inexcusable.

***

In the end this remains the only question: Is the terror authentic or not?

It is not, because there are hundreds of hints to an inside job.

Leaders always invented terror to bargain reign.

False Flag Terror is the name of the game!

It's not that far fatched, as a closely look into history shows.

Lavon Affair, OP Gladio, OP Ajax, USS Liberty, Tonkin Incident, OP Himmler, OP Northwood, WTC 93, there a dozens more, well documented...

If the terror is not authentic , his accusation went nowhere.

This guy is clearly a "believer" in the terror myth...
How should we handle a "believer", who is not interested in facts?

http://www.911proof.com/

Kind regards
Sittin-Bull
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9/11 Truth and the Christian Faith

Griffin provides and excellent outline of the history of False Flag Terrorism in the beginning of this book!
I have read all his books about 9/11.
All very insightful and informative. Well written and easy to read
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Chris, thanks for the link.

Did you notice this analysis:

"It may help to look at what happens with an actual controlled demolition. In October 1998, the J.L. Hudson Department Store in Detroit was demolished. It was the largest department store in the country at the time, measuring in at 2.2 million square feet in surface area. Implosion crews spent three months investigating and exploring the building and another four months prepping it for demolition, which included covering the basement walls with sand and engineered fill. Many of the steel beams were precut with torches before even wiring the building with explosives."

This is helpful information. The author then says,

"When the building was wired for explosion, demolition crews placed 4,118 charges in 1,100 separate locations, using more than 36,000 feet of detonation cord in the process. That's nearly seven miles! This process took another 24 days to complete."

From this we can get a much clearer idea of how long it took to prepare the WTC buildings. This is useful information.

He continues:

"Now, compare this to the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, each of which measures in at about 3.8 million square feet. If we also want to discuss the supposed demolition of 7 World Trade Center, that's another 1.9 million square feet. In total, the square footage of all three buildings is about 9.5 million square feet, more than four times the square footage of the J.L. Hudson Department Store.

"Think about this, now. If you believe that the World Trade Center was taken down by controlled demolition, you would have to believe that nearly 30 miles worth of detonation cord was planted around these buildings and not a single one of the 50,000 employees or 200,000 visitors who passed through the towers on a daily basis noticed a thing."

Ergo, only insiders could have done this. And it must have taken quite a while.

If the author could only see what he himself is saying, the guy would be a truther. We should do all we can to get him in front of "9-11 Mysteries".

He ends in an almost conciliatory way:

"I understand why people are asking questions, and I also understand the disillusionment with the government over the fact that 9-11 even happened in the first place. However, we are putting our energy in the wrong place when we pin these attacks on our government."

He more or less proved the case which he here denies.

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no chord

Remote detonators.... cost is neglegable.... remotes cost no more than chord and probably easier to program

much of the preliminary preperation was not required in the WTC... windows remained intact....etc.

In normal demolitions they don't have to do all the prep that they do anyways... probably do it to get more $$ out of the project.

Many of these old structures have concrete structure which requires much more prep because the concrete must be addressed correctly to be affective..

If you research you will find several reports of offices being moved around for renovations. There was also updates to fireproofing going on..... giving access to key structural elements. Thermite can be spray applied just like fireproofing.
Computer room updates could have contained explosives in the new battery banks.... all wired to go.

Marvins special graveyard shift security team could have been working double duty... planting explosives with full access to building when no one was home. Just got to put the right people on the job.

There was no need for all the preparations you are describing..... collateral damage was not a liability anymore.... if anything went wrong they would just blame the terrorists. If the demolition went wrong.... it would have all been cleaned up like OKC. They would have quarantined the building and you would have never gotten a look at the inside.

but with remote detonators I'm sure that they had a main frequency and a secondary frequency.... one way or another they would have done their job.

If a terrorist can detonate a car bomb with a cell phone then demolition professionals could do the same with remote detonators.

the detonators probably had the same frequency with a slightly different delay to blow.

Easy
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the demolition team

Could have well been made up of a handful of the 200 or so Israeli agents arrested and deported since 9/11. They would have no problem killing Americans as an act of pre-emptive war against the Arab/Muslim world, and no desire at all to spill the beans. Since the buildings were owned by Larry Silverstein, a personal friend of former Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, and since Israeli agents were arrested the morning of 9/11 for suspicious behavior (celebrating and filimng the burning towers and blaming Palestinians for the attacks) we can assume that Marvin Bush's graveyard shift team is not the only possible explanation. The explosives needed mainly to be placed in the core of the structures, which was not visible from any of the office space. Access to the core could have been gained through a single floor's elevator shaft. In fact there WERE floors that were mysteriously occupied, AND people who witnessed odd work being done involving spools of "internet wire" (see Scott Forbes who worked in the towers and had to bring all his company's computers offline for a power down scheduled for the weekend before 9/11--his letters to people including the 9/11 Commission were ignored--why?) Anyway, keep trying Mr. Truthiness...

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cores last?

And how exactly did you determine this?

just curious.... I wanted to know what you think you know before I learn you
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one spire?

one spire still standing? that's your PROOF that the cores fell last?

anyone....anyone.... ???
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Much more then just a

OK? ......rrriiiiiight........

You know what?.... that is an awesome photo.... way to go!

Is this your high school job?

cause that isn't the core

sorry :(
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the cores fell first...

Which is why in the north tower collapse you can see the tv antenna falling at the beginning of the collapse. your denying things doesn't make them false, just as your gratuitous accusation of racism doesn't make me a bigot. but if that's all you've got left, the old "anyone who dares suggest Jews ever commit crimes must hate Jews" then good luck to you, my friend.

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If you didn't notice

Radio communications were being jambed for the most part and cellular technology seems to be pretty reliable to me... I have never gotten my lines crossed.... there have got to be frequencies which could be used which would not recieve interruption.

These guys have been in power positions for the past 4 decades if you think that they don't have the people in place who will do this type of work you'd be sadly mistaken..... they have people who will do anything they are told.... and do it free from conscience. They probably get off on this stuff.

I have lost faith in my fellow man for the most part... I have found the most good in people within the 9/11 Truth Movement than any other place or time in my life.

Keep being true blue people and we will perservere.

There is a patented application for thermite in which it can be suspended in mixture which was a gel application.... it could be sprayed on or rolled on..... research done.... posted here on 911Blogger somewhere....

The computer rooms all recieved updates in the months prior to 9/11... the computer room all recieved elevated floor systems and huge banks of batteries.... the batteries could have all been a disguise for something else.... these floors also were fitted with impact resistant windows..... to help protect them?.... or to conceal the explosions from inside.
there were several computer floors throughout the building... including the areas of the buildings where the planes collided.

Plane hits building.... BOOM! conceals demolition charges going off

I'm wiping my @ss with you right now

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Thermite

I learned some more about Thermite which I find very interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

An adaptation of the reaction, used to obtain pure uranium, was developed as part of the Manhattan Project at Ames Laboratory under the direction of Frank Spedding. It is sometimes called the Ames process.

Which led to this:

http://www.ameslab.gov/60thanniversary/1940.htm

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Column Photo

http://www.debunking911.com/cut3.jpg

Here is a closer look at the column that we have all seen before with the easily visible slag residue.

My analysis of this column and the scenario which produced this result and how it relates to the rest of the structural core columns.

It is easy to see that something happened to this column which wasn't normal. The angle cut can be seen on the left while the other three sides show the slag residue.

A thermite reaction which creates very high temperatures could cut throught this coulmn fairly quickly.... probably less than one minute. The thermite appears to have been used on three sides of this core column. This would severely weaken the column but not cause it to fail. The intact side would keep the column fixed in place....acting in essence like a hinge. The column would not fall to the side but would instead be held in place by other structural members which helped to maintain its integrity.

It may have moved slightly but if it slumped toward the thermite cut side it wouldn't go far before the upper part would rest on the lower intact part of the structural member. Hinged by the intact side.

The final cut which compromised the column fully was made by an explosive shape charge placed on the column 6 to 12 inches above the thermite reaction. Sheilded by the column itself.

By using the thermite the columns were 3/4 compromised and essentially prepped for a final cut. The thermite cut helped in creating the direction of fall as well as the amount of preperation needed and the amount of explosives needed to finish the column off.

It was ingenius.... and there are very few companies capable of this type of expert demolition.

the aparatus which could be used to apply the thermite in this manner is actually very simple... especially on a box column like those used in the Twin Towers. The box column allows a fairly flat surface to apply the apparatus... which was probably just a cylendar full of thermite with a slit which allowed for the projection of the reacting material.. and a flat side to adhere it flush to the column.

Not easy but not hard

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Its called a torch.

Sorry to rain on your delusion but this one was debunked long ago.

They have this new thing out, it's called a "cutting torch"

Very handy for making big columns into small easy to move columns, You cut at an angle so to control where it falls.

NO that would be too simple and logical, better to stick with the thermite bomb thing.

Must be a thermite torch he is using

http://911truthiness.org

OK

it's clear that you are an idiot.... and nothing anyone will ever say will change that
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Dude?

We have had steel workers who posted on this very site which explained how this column was not cut by a torch and he explained in detail how a coplumn this size would have been cut

IN DETAIL!!

you are wasting my time
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P.S.

Sorry about you having to live in Detroit.

Is this what led to your dislike of Muslims?
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Not only gullible, but a

Not only gullible, but a bigot to.

http://911truthiness.org

Student, really good insight

I think you make some excellent points! Might make a nice rebuttal to send in.

Chris, or anyone...

I'm off to Phoenix, and won't have time to do this just now. But I agree that it would be worth while to have a good rebutal -- maybe for a blog entry here? I doubt the magazine would publish it.

If anyone would care to do this, please go ahead and use some of my wording if it helps. What I wrote is sketchy anyway, so you'd have to fill it out.

AWESOME !

Griffin ROCKS!..........How could anyone not raise an eyebrow to what this man say's?
Yes there are those that don't know,and those that don't want to know.
The truth hurts,but a lie will kill you.

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Please, Mr. Truthiness...

Explain what you think of the claim straddling pages 40-41 of your bible, the Popular Mechanics hack job. Explain what they meant by the steel melting because the temperatures got higher and higher (up to 2800 degrees F) just by virtue of jet fuel and office furniture fires being covered by rubble and thus not cooled by the air. Explain how that works exactly, and if you can, identify the three "experts" who PM cites as claiming to believe that this is in fact how the steel melted. Go ahead, your Truthiness, we're waiting for you to enlighten us!

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Explain how this works

From your blog;

"There is a simple logical answer as to what happened on 9/11. A cunning enemy, trained for years and then waited patiently to implement that training. The “conspiracy” was by Al Qaeda. They had the motive, the money and most of all the fanatical fundamentalist religious mindset that made it easy for them to do."

Take your crock of shit elsewhere.

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whoa.. trained for years?? and no one spilled the beans?

How could this vast fanatical fundamentalist conspiracy be kept a secret for so long? And is Moussaoui an example of the enemy's cunning? And when Al Qaeda™ sends its videos to Al Jazeera™, do they come with a return address, or are they left in a brown paper bag in the mens' room? Seems your simple logical answers just raise so many more questions. It was insurance fraud and a staged "terrorist attack". Occam's razor man--THAT is the simplest explanation, not phantom terrorist menaces and crude blast furnaces forming spontaneously in the rubble of oddly crumbling buildings. Do you come up with this stuff with a straight face?

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you know why it's called a blast furnace?

Because air is blasted through it. An "open subway tunnel" would not provide nearly enough oxygen to concentrate the amount of heat required to melt steel under the rubble, even if you could prove that somehow the result of the chaos of the collapses was a "crude blast furnace". You are so grasping!

And by the way, steel was invented in the 1800s, so man did not melt it long before electricity and gas fired furnaces.

But anyway, glad to know that you, unlike many Truthiness™ Experts, don't actually deny the steel did melt. You're making progress!

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Sorry, but the evidence is right in FEMA's report, Truthy!

Appendix C... they recommended further study of the partially vaporized and sulfidated steel members found among the debris of building 7. How many lies do we have to catch you in before you develop some shame? By the way, I like how you determine that some things are complex (like thermite use) and others are simple and obvious, like vast Muslim conspiracies and unprecedented total collapses of buildings from small fires.

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Care to link to "Barnett"?

And 1000C is equal to 1832 Fahrenheit. Still hotter than can be explained by the conventional account. But I'm curious to hear from you in your own words what explains the particular heat damage observed on the WTC7 steel by FEMA. Simply saying Read Barnett is not very helpful or convincing...

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who is opining? i'm stating facts!

and all you can do is dodge. why don't you just say what you think? why be coy? just say what you learned by "reading Barnett"! I mean, you understand it right? Or don't you know what you're talking about?

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OK here's the scoop, Truthy Mark

I see now that the Barnett you referred to is Jonathan Barnett who along with two others actually wrote Appendix C of the FEMA report, which I cited. My bad for not remembering the Appendix's authorship--touché! But that's where you stop making sense. Go ahead and read it everyone!

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

They don't let you cut and paste the text so you'll have to take my word for it and confirm. Appendix C is pretty much a validation of Steve Jones' work, or maybe it's the other way round!

"1. The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

2. heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1800dF results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

3. The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.
"

Sure sounds like Jones' thermate (thermite+sulfur) account so far!

Let's see the conclusion:

"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanism of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires."

Hmmmm a bit of hedging, saying it could be this and could be that, but notice nothing is ruled out, and nothing in this report is inconsistent with Prof. Jones' work. Instead, we find much similarity. Since Barnett called for more detailed analysis, and you seem to be an expert, Truthy Mark, could you point us to any such analysis having subsequently been done? Thanks again Truthy Mark! You're being a great help today!

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what, no bin Laden?

And if it was just those 19, why bother pursuing a War on Terror™? Didn't they all die on 9/11? Just some bad apples right? Who got real lucky eh? And did some amazing things. Yep. Oh, and on top of that, Bush ignored all the warnings about these goons because he thought it would make him look good. And the dancing Israelis, well, they were just, like, documenting the event. For MossCIAd. Truly, Bad Mr. Truthy, YOU are amazingly, fiedishly, simple.

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"911 Truthiness" the artist formerly known as "Anonymous"

Registered a whole three days, huh? Welcome. What an interesting "name" you've chosen for yourself. Complete with it's own web address too! Wow! At least you're committed. (To what I have no idea.)

Nevertheless, let's take a closer look...

Truthiness: a satirical term invented by Stephen Colbert in reference to the quality by which a person claims to know something intuitively, instinctively, or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or actual facts (similar to the meaning of "bellyfeel", a Newspeak term from George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four).

I can't think of a better name for a 9/11 disinfo/shill.

evil is as evil does Mr. Truthy

You're really fishing for some anti-semitism aren't you! What do you think this site is an ADL funded faux Nazi hangout? Sorry to burst your bubble pal. I like how you villify Muslims daily on zero evidence and when someone points out that Larry Silverstein is friends with Netanyahu you cry bigotry. That's just precious of you types. What makes you thinks your average Jewish family would in any way defend or support Silverstein's actions? To hide criminals behind appeals for ethnic tolerance is frankly about as low as people can go. Keep hating, Mr. Truthy--it consumes your soul (or whatever you have left that passes for one.) I'm a humanist and could list a whole bunch of righteous Jewish people who crap bigger than you, and who would never go to bat for a bastard like Silverstein. Is divisive baiting tactics all you people have left?

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All Planes

Big secret

All commercial planes can fly themselves... they are already equipped with remote control.... they are programmed every day to fly from point to point to point.

The pilots are there simply for emergencies..... they don't even need to land or take-off

the computer can do it all

they just don't want people to know this because they feel safer thinking that someone is in control
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???

Missing your point in this last post??
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Thermite

Thermite is dust to begin with.... do you know how the thermite reaction is initaited?

a spark

Fire!

when this was said and done.... they didn't find anything... no office furniture... no filing cabinets.... nothing.... the last thing they were looking for was something like a themite device... and if they did happen upon one it would have been tossed in the heap like everything else that was quickly disposed of.

Thermite reactions are unaffected by water..... try pouring water into a blast furnace
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please cite credible sources for all of your claims.

Like some documentation of this process of sorting the 3.24 billion pounds of "something". What ten months was this? And where is the report of their findings?

Thanks, truthy Mark!

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What were they looking for?

Exactly?
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here's how real blast furnaces work

And if you want to believe that a crude version of this process is responsible for the melted steel on 9/11 then go for it, and prepare to be laughed at. So, why wouldn't PM name the "experts" who assured them of the validity of this claim?

http://www.steel.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&template=/CM/HTMLDispl...

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Blast Furnace

Does that blast furnace account for all the "Chaos" that was happening on 9/11?

Because I heard that all laws of the universe can be altered with the addition of the "Chaos Factor"

On 9/11 I remeber being able to fly and see through walls....

Does anyone else have any stories of other out of the ordinary occurances happening on 9/11?
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strange occurances

I walked on water.
I haven't been able to do it since.
Strange indeed.

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how did collapse start fires underground?

What part of your ass are you pulling that out of? Nothing you say makes sense. We know the grounds were hot for several reaosns, not because of some aluminum wheel. There are the thermal satellite images, and there is the simple fact (that you will somehow try to deny) that workers on the pile pulled out pieces of red hot, dripping steel. In other words, we know the piles were hot. That is not the question. the question is how they got hot enough to melt steel. As for my calculations, all you have to know is that it is absurd to believe that hydrocarbon fuel which burns at less than 1000 degrees lower temperature than that required to melt steel is somehow going to ignite a fire in an office building that after burning for an hour or so is going to a) cause the building to collapse as observed on 9/11 3 times, b) continue to burn under tons of rubble for two months and c) reach 2800 degrees, the temperature at which steel melts.

But you want it both ways--to say that the steel could easily melt, but that it didn't. Huh? The truth is it did melt, which precipitated the collapses, and it melted because of something other than burning jet fuel or office furnishings. Get a grip on reality, shill! I've explained why we should not have expected the temperatures in the pile to be more than the maximum temperature at which jet fuel and office furniture burn--what is your issue with my explanation? And since we KNOW there was molten steel found, we KNOW something DID raise the temperatures higher than possible by jet fuel and office furnishings alone.

What point are you trying to make exactly, if any? That you are persistent and oblivious to reason? Good job!

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In your delusional world not

In your delusional world not only the big bad government loads enough thermite to bring down the towers BUT also has extra on hand to melt some steel under the rubble for some yet unknown reason?

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ESTIMATION

They could over estimate... or they could under estimate....

bringing down one of the largest structures in the world in a major metropolitin area....

I say we under estimate how much material is going to be needed to bring this thing down

your grasping and your arguments are weak
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USGS Thermal image taken on the 14-Sep-2001


... and these were surface temps - [ MORE INFO ].





You can see a high concentration on the eastern corners of WTC2 (thermal image points "F" and "G") - point "G" is where the molten metal is seen pouring out the south tower.

WTC7 has pools more or less where the fires were seen (I believe these were incendiary devices), i.e. eastern edge (see below pic - point "A" in thermal image) and WTC1 (points "C" and "D") were at the opposite face to the impact hole (lower concentration).





Good luck

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That blog of yours is popular. 3 months work and 2 comments, both from the same person.

Way to go no mates!

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In my world

if you talk bollocks you are ignored.

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I know a fertilizer company that might buy your BULLSHIT
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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

come on, Your Truthiness™, enlighten us!

Why so cocky if you can't back up your absurd claims?

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Not a good start, truthy. You got owned on your first post lol

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I can't wait for Debunking

I can't wait for Debunking Debunking 911 Debunking. Should be a good read;)

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Do you know how many billion$ & billion$ of Dollars 9/11 & the

following wars have made for Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Silverstein, & the rest of the military-industrial complex???

Cheers for the heads up.

Cheers for the heads up.

I'm still working on his "Intellectuals speak out" book. Will wait with bated breath...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.