Analyzing the Paula Zahn Hit Piece

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

They found out that ignoring the 9/11 Truth movement didn’t work.

Then they realized that ridiculing us just helped us grow.

Now the real fight begins.

When media royalty like CNN’s Paula Zahn and Larry King are moved to the front lines we need to realize that 9/11 Truth is now considered to be a serious threat to the status quo. This is a perverse form of respect.

Here's the transcript of the Zahn hit piece.

Let’s analyze the goals behind this most recent tactical move:

1) Obviously they are trying to smear the 9/11 Truth movement as racist, specifically as anti-Semitic, holocaust deniers. This pure poison is a double-edged sword.

2) The primary targets of this hit piece are other members in the media and media dependent “stars”. The message is: If you go near 9/11 Truth you will be branded as an anti-Semitic holocaust denier, this is an instant kiss of death (see Mel Gibson).

3) The secondary targets are the members of the general public who remain resistant to 9/11 Truth or are those still sitting on the fence. The message to them is: Do you really want to be associated with these racist, holocaust denying, anti-American kooks?

4) Finally, the last target is the 9/11 Truth movement itself. This is the classic divide and conquer strategy aimed directly at hard core Truthers. They are well aware of the internal debate going on within the movement regarding the importance of the role of the Mossad/Israel and the prominence given to Larry Silverstein’s “pull it” quote. They are clearly trying to add fuel to this fire and turn it into a real wedge issue within the movement. I think that recent threads on this board highlight this quite well.

Now, what do we do?

1) Everyone here needs to calm down and return their focus to our common goals of growing the movement, assisting the dust victims and getting new investigations into 9/11. Those of us who feel compelled to aggressively push the Mossad/Israeli aspects of 9/11 need to carefully consider the cost/benefit of doing so in a reckless way in public at this time.

My personal view on this and other issues (like what hit the Pentagon) is that as long as we are all pushing for full, complete and independent investigations and willing “to let the chips fall where they will”, then the truth about everything, including the Mossad/Israeli role, will come to light and justice will be done. By definition, those that push divisive issues are choosing to be divisive.

2) How do we counter the primary targets cited above? The first line of defense is to be very conscious about making any statements to the media that can be twisted to support the anti-Semitic accusation. Yes, this is self-censorship, but it is enlightened self-censorship and we are playing to win. Anyone invited into the media spotlight needs to be very disciplined about staying on message and those who allow themselves to be used to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement should find themselves out on the cold and lonely fringes immediately.

The best way to counter-attack would be to have a group called Jews for 9/11 Truth (don’t laugh) rain emails, letters and phone calls down on Zahn, King and CNN and other msm outlets. To my knowledge, no such group exists at this time. The next best thing we can do is contact Dr. Kevin Barrett and have him ask the prominent Jewish members of MUJCA (perhaps Sandra Lubarsky and/or Rabbi Michael Lerner) to do whatever they are willing to do to counter this unfounded and poisonous attack. I would love to see Rabbi Lerner go one-on-one with Larry King on this (I can dream, can’t I?).

3) In dealing with the general public, as with other controversial topics, we need to leave the Mossad/Israeli issue off to the side. This is not a core issue. If it is raised by a member of the general public, then respond in a careful and measured manner. If someone asks you “Did the Jews do it?” all you need to say is “We don’t know who did it, that’s why we need new investigations”. If they ask you “Who do you think did it?” and you want to be less evasive, you can confidently reply that “It was most likely a combined operation involving small groups of elites from several countries, individuals from the U.S., U.K., Israel, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are clearly implicated.” If you are pushed on the Israeli issue you can cite the mainstream stories about the dancing Israeli’s who were arrested, jailed and then released in New Jersey. If they want to know more refer them to Paul Thompson’s The Terror Timeline, page 308.

4) Returning to what we can do here on 9/11 blogger: For the sake of unity and the continued progress of our mutual cause I would implore all of us to moderate our rhetoric, be as civil as possible and focus on our common goals of growing the movement, assisting the dust victims and getting new investigations into 9/11. This does not mean we can’t have vigorous debates on the many fascinating aspects of 9/11. My personal approach to interacting with people online is to imagine that I’m sitting in a Thai restaurant having a friendly conversation with them. If someone is rude, disingenuous or pedantic then I politely tell them why I disagree with them and I leave.

The core of 9/11 Truth is the knowledge that the government myth is an absurd and criminal farce and that we need to have new investigations. As we grow as a movement we need to be increasingly aware of our public persona and craft our message accordingly. We also need to be aware of the fact that we have been, and will continue to be, infiltrated by people who have hidden agendas and ulterior motives. Keeping this in mind, we absolutely cannot be consumed by paranoia and engage in self-destructive witch hunts.

Those people that do not have the best interests of 9/11 Truth in mind will out themselves in due course. Some already have.

We are winning, brothers and sisters, it’s time to take it to the next level.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Be well.


Great Points I totally Agree, We are using the only tool that has ever worked to change the world. Undeniable search for Truth and Justice.

Ghandi and Mandella, are good examples, we are in for a long ride, we can not not crash and burn, the movement will only win when it pases the test of time.

To Quote another Hero of Mine

"Progress I See"

I gave Kevin a wink

he will act about this BS, I'm sure.

Kevin liked it...

he said excellent piece. And he couldn't said better.


very well said....

May I copy this elsewhere (with proper credit of course)?

Of course

you are welcome to use it in any way you see fit.

Thanks for asking.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Excellent Analysis/Advice..

....I couldn't agree more...thank you for that...

We all need to demonstrate contempt for both Anti-Semitism AND Anti-Semitism charges with the same energy, determination, and intellectual honesty that we use when pursuing the evidence to wherever it takes us....

"Jews for 9/11 Truth" is a great idea, BTW.

“Did the Jews do it?”


Is the answer to that question. Simple. The "Jews" DID NOT do it anymore than the "Catholics, Baptists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, and Buddhists" did.

It's an absurd line of questioning that stems from people who have an inability to distinguish between a countries' Government, and a religion. Who have an inability to distinguish between criminals, and a religion.

The answer is a resounding NO.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002


I am SICK of "Holocaust Revisionism" (which is the friendly term used to describe it) taking place within the 9/11 Truth Movement. It has no place here. "Holocaust Revisionism" is associated with "Neo-Nazis", and "Nazi sympathizers". I've met family members that had numbers burned into their arms. I've been to the Holocaust museum. I do not understand the mindset behind that "research." 20,000,000 Russians were killed by the Germans yet you never see people question those numbers. Only the numbers related to the Jews. That indicates to me that "Holocaust Revisionism" is anti-semitic in nature, and again, has no place here.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Then Don't Attend the 9-11 Accountability Conference

It's being hosted by Eric D. Williams, a Holocaust Revisionist.

I am aware...

And I believe my experience and "wisdom" is worth something, and should be shared at a conference where the focus is accountability for the crimes of 9/11.

I do NOT by ANY stretch of the imagination endorse Eric D. Williams' "research."

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

But after you speak at the

But after you speak at the conference people will use it against you and you'll have to deny your endorsement of Williams over and over again. That's how it works. Your legitimate presentation will be tainted.

the Russians...

Were the ones who came up with the 4 million figure for Auschwitz that had to be revised down to 1.1 million. If you think people don't question dear old Josef Stalin's claims, you should try to read more broadly, Jon. Of course Russia was going to exaggerate--that's what winners do in war.

And as for it coming up in conversation here, it almost never does, until someone brings it up (like in the post on Paula Zahn's ridiculous hit piece) as an example of why truthers should shut up about Israel. Or maybe you've seen some blog posts specifically about Holocaust revision that I've missed?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Sorry "Real Truther"

But I'm not about to debate you about the Holocaust.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Right so!

It was a distraction from the beginning, as it does not matter if there were 3 or 4 million human beeings murdered. That's all about numbers. Even one murder was one murder too much, a bestialic thing to commit on other men...

But on point is for sure: The ADL uses the Anti-Semitism accusation against all critics of Israel and their rulers. This is the point we should debate.

Never tolerate the mis-use of this accusations. This is the real matters that harms all victims- to commit other atrocities against menkind and use the Anti-Semitism Charge on all critics. And I suppose this was the beginning of the term "Holocaust-industry".

Never trap into brain-traps. Never tolerate racism. But never tolerate atrocities against menkind in the name of the right thing to do, also.

It's important to

It's important to distinguish between a murder and the systematic attempt to eliminate a people on ethnic, political, or national grounds. Those who deny the Holocaust try to minimize the crimes of the Nazis down to the size of murder. We shouldn't let them do that.


But then not only for the Holocaust, though for all ethnic cleaning mass-murdering. We should not close the other eye.

Some of that shit happened even in the US, not so long ago, and the US is also on top of the states that support such bevaviour, in case it fits to their policy.

That is not Anti-Americanism, another careful trap-attempt to discredit all the critics, it's the truth.

E.g. Kissinger and Negroponte do not belong to the political scene, they belong to The Hague.


Did you hear about this fool.... now head of the World Bank.... **alarms go off**

He was attending a Turkish Mosque this week and had to take off his shoes.

The mans socks were full of holes.

What isn't full of holes with these people?
Ignorance is NOT Bliss

Genocide is Genocide

Americans have a particularly hypocritical take on Genocide. Holocaust denial generally (although I've discovered not universally) is considered a terrible thing, but a guy like Christopher Hitchens can write that the genocidal conquest of Native Americans should be celebrated because it brought with it "a nearly boundless epoch of opportunity and innovation" and still keep his job at the progressive Nation.

The overriding question is this

If you think that your way is better or more correct than someone elses way.... then you can kill them and / or anyone who may be in the way of killing them.

Ignorance is NOT Bliss

native american genocide, slavery, and ethnic cleansing....

of Palestine are all similar issues. I've said before that we can't honestly leave out any such historical tragedies from a humanistic analysis and/or revision of history. Of course we also would not tolerate anyone saying that European settlers massacred 2 billion native Americans--but imagine if that DID become the official story, and people were put in jail for questioning it. Simply pointing out that there were not 2 billion native Americans around in those times would be enough to get one labelled a hateful bigot for daring to question the tragedy of the Native American Holocaust. Would that situation be good for the descendants of native Americans?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


You're either lying or

You're either lying or terribly misinformed and I'll point it out. Given that you've won so many converts it's necessary to engage a little. Sorry Jon.

This bit about 4 million at Auschwitz is called the "Four Million Variant" by the Nizkor project. What's at stake here is not the number killed at Auschwitz but a plaque placed at the site by the Soviets. Historians have put the death toll at Auschwitz at around 1-2 million for the last thirty years.

And as to when Holocaust denial comes up, or more to the point when you start espousing it, I've noticed that you bring out your defense of denial whenever somebody suggests that we should no longer tolerate any association with Holocaust deniers.

So the fact that the plaque...

Inflated the numbers has no bearing on number killed there? OK, whatever you say. I like also how simply pointing out that little known fact about the previous downward revision is, in the words of your cited website, a "technique of denial." Isn't it actually a technique of presenting accurate history?

How are you any different in this case than the 9/11 deniers who insist that there is no need to re-examine the history of the 9/11 attacks? Don't we all agree that the reason they don't want the history of 9/11 discussed is that they are afraid of the truth being learned? Of course we do, so your emulating their behavior makes people suspicious. Because you're not just opposing "holocaust denial", you are actively trying to discourage people from considering any dissenting view from your own preferred account.

You do this in the same exact manner as those who try to discourage people from looking at 9/11. You imply that the only conceivable reason for people to question somethign so terrible is hatred and a malicious intent. No room for curiosity--just accept what we say and shut up is the message. If you actually respected the memory of those who were killed by the Nazis you would be horrified by it being misrepresented, and you would encourage open debate to get to the truth.

Because it is a documented fact that certain groups have exploited the victims' suffering by using it to extort money from various sources without passing any significant amount on to victims (which is the whole point of Norman Finkelstein's outstanding book on the holocaust industry) there is no honorable reason to smear anyone who wants these issues discussed, regardless of what you think their intentions may be.

You have already called David Cole, who is Jewish, a holocaust denier. What, I wonder, is your opinion of Finkelstein, another Jewish person? Isn't it true, "mr.guy", that what this amounts to on the part of you and other hysterical Holocaust (big H) defenders is a litmus test for being a "good Jew" that involves not questioning your own history? Isn't this just a secular dogma that you enforce like any common fascist thug? Does it worry you that so many people are finally able to separate the real questions from the cartoon neo-Nazis like David Duke's petty racial obsessions?

It does, of course. It bothers you tremendously because.... well, I suspect because like the 9/11 deniers, you are afraid of your bogus worldview coming down in pieces around you. You're afraid of what people will think of you when they realize what a dishonest person you are, and how you lies have done more to dishonor the dead than any sincere questioner, skeptic, or truthseeker could ever do.

let me simplify it for you:

Nazi: a non-Jew who kills Jews because he hates or is afraid of them

Zionist: a Jew (or brainwashed pseudo-Christian) who kills Jews because it suits his political agenda

It just doesn't get any more simple than that, and for all your denial and insults, you can't prevent people who want to know the truth about anything from doing their homework over your hysterical objections. In fact, you are probably encouraging a good many people to do just that.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


What I said was that the

What I said was that the Soviet plaque has no bearing on the overall question of how many died in the Holocaust and it doesn't.

You are distorting the facts when you claim that the 4 million number on a Soviet plaque is relevant. The accepted number of 5-6 million does not rely on that plaque.

Finkelstein is not a Holocaust denier and you smear him when you associate his criticism of the Holocaust Industry with Holocaust denial. As to who is a "good jew" or a "bad jew" I wouldn't claim to know. The fact that Cole is Jewish makes no impression on me at all. The fact that he pushes an absurd ahistorical and offensive line is my problem.

Also it strikes me that those who want to compare the question of US complicity in 911 with Holocaust denial have friends inside the movement. Those friends are people like Hufschmid and you.

why are you sidestepping the issue?

The point is precisely that about 30 years ago, the plaque had to be changed because historians revised the number down.

And here's the scoop on Finkelstein from, a rabid Zionist site... sorta hard to figure out this business, but that won't stop us from trying!

Finkelstein, Norman G. Holocaust denier and author of "The Holocaust Industry," who once famously asked, "If all these people survived the Holocaust, who actually died?" He has also referred to Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as the "clown in the Holocaust circus." [So, besides being a Holocaust denier, he's also a heartless bastard!] Further, he claimed that the Holocaust is being used by racist Jews to justify their presence in Palestine and to oppress Arabs. He agrees that the use of the Holocaust as "extortion" to extract money from Germans and others is a crime and, according to Finkelstein, just more proof of the fact that Jews care for nothing but money. Israel is not immune from his castigation either. In a December 200l speech in Beirut, Lebanon, Finkelstein compared Israeli behavior to "Nazi practices" during World War II. Finkelstein refers to the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis as the "Six Million" in quotation marks, and says that nearly every Holocaust survivor is a fraud, a thief and a liar. (Finkelstein's own parents are Holocaust survivors and Finkelstein has long tried to capitalize on this as a way to legitimize his own anti-Semitism.)
It’s inconceivable to me that Finkelstein might achieve tenure at De Paul University in Chicago, where he presently teaches his bizarre theories. That he is an assistant professor there is, in my view, a badge of shame for De Paul.
His true occupation is as a member of a traveling circus, a freak show of anti-Semites who promote anti-Israel propaganda from campus to campus. He openly admits to having high regard for Hezbollah on his Web site, and he promotes the false notion that "scholars widely agree that Israel ethnically cleansed the Palestinian people in 1948."
Finkelstein is almost universally regarded as a Jewish traitor and anti-Semite, and at the very least a fraud and pseudo-scholar. Commentary Magazine's Gabriel Schoenfeld has labeled Finkelstein's views as crackpot ideas, some of them mirrored almost verbatim in the propaganda put out by neo-Nazis around the world.. "Fink's" books do not sell in America, but they are best-sellers among the growing number of neo-Nazis in Germany. Finkelstein has been endorsed by anti-Semites of all stripes, including Israeli Jewish anti-Semites like Neve Gordon from Ben Gurion University.
Finkelstein's hatred of Jews runs so deep that he has actually implied that his own mother, who survived the Nazi Holocaust, may have collaborated with the Nazis. If so collaboration with evil seems to run in the family, because Finkelstein has clearly become a collaborator with Hezbollah anti-Semitism and Nazism. Finkelstein's website is filled with Hezbollah promotion, including breathless reprints of Nasrallah speeches. Following the one month 2006 summer war between Israel and Hizbollah,he wrote, "I truly honor [Hizbollah] for having inflicted an exceptional and deserving defeat on their foreign occupiers. It's another wonderful chapter in the long and painful struggle for human emancipation and even liberty and certainly one that every human being can take inspiration from." When American and Jewish soldiers die, Finkelstein rejoices!
Has this capo EVER said a kind word about the Israel or the Jewish people? Sadly, we know of none. Even if Norman Finkelstein did not really exist, we'd have to invent him as a Poster Yehudon [Jew Boy] caricature of the Self-Hating Israel-Threatening Jew.
Click Here and Here and Here for lots more on the FINKelstein. Click Here to view an audio of The Fink as he is guest of [Hizbollah's] honor in Lebanon


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Actually the plaque was

Actually the plaque was changed in 1989 and not 30 years ago. Also I made a mistake before. The 1-2million number has been accepted for forty and not thirty years.

It is not a surprise to me that a rabid Zionist group should try to smear Finkelstein as a Holocaust denier. It is also not a surprise to me that you should try to use his respectable research to lend respectablity to your spew.

The media will continue to try

to trap Truthers with this kind of false question though.

Great Post LeftWright

I followed the link and had to read a lot of unrelated stuff before getting to the 9/11 issue. Please note that they never drew any conclusions and Paula mentions the 9/11 issue before each of at least two commercial breaks.

As far as I am concerned, I know that what the government said is not correct and, as you stated we need a new investigation (period).

I know that the insurance claims that were filed by Mr. Silverstein and subsequent court documents that were filed on his behalf contain the 19 hijacker's; hijacked passenger aircraft; aircraft hit towers causing them to collapse in 2001.
This was supported by the 9/11 Official Commission report; although they should have preceded the Commissions report the FEMA & NIST reports support the Official story, which supports the original insurance claims.

The inaccuracy of the reports that were published by those US government agencies and the lies spread by the US Department of Environmental Protection Agency regarding the air quality makes me wonder about the accuracy that is currently being feed to us through other Governmental agencies, such as the US Department of Labor, Department of Justice and Securities & Exchange commission.

I agree with you that the instigators are made up from the worlds wealthiest elite and from all countries and religions. Every country and every religion have billionaires, some good, some not so good, some mean well but are misguided and some bad and some downright evil.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US government wasn't paying mercs on multiple sides of the Iraq war without knowing it - for National Security reasons - of course.

However, I don't think that there should be any problem with looking into Israel's connection. I have found and posted a great deal of information regarding a multi-billionaire who was born in Hungry and moved to Australia, He happens to be Jewish and made his billions through real estate developments.
Should I stop here because Mr. Frank Lowy happens to be Jewish? Would it and/or should make any difference if he were Catholic ? Does it mean that because he is Jewish I should treat him special ?

His name is Frank Lowy. He was a partner of Mr. Silverstein's with the July 24, 2001 lease. I believe that Mr. Lowy is currently involved in a different scandal that also involves Israel's Prime Minister.

If you try and prevent one phase of an investigation because it is a "touchy" or "sensitive" subject, have you not ceased your investigation to find the truth ?

Let us work on getting a new independent investigation it could be an International Investigation organized and paid for by the insurance companies who were negligent because they did not investigate prior to paying any of the billions of dollars in claims. They can go after Mr. Silverstein and his associates to recover what they paid for fraudulent claims.

well said, Tom

I don't buy for one second this--"let's not mention everything we know because some people might be offended." tactic.

When you do that, you ARE making it about race and/or ethnicity/religion. There are in fact Jewish groups that call for holocaust revision--has that made any difference? Jews for 9/11 Truth has not happened yet--why? Maybe because any Jewish person willing to accept the whole truth about 9/11 including Israeli complicity would be persecuted like the folks on 's self hating Israel threatening (shit) list.

It is not about Jews, as CNN would love to have people believe. It may well be about Israel, though, and no American owes any sympathy to a foreign country that has repeatedly spied in the U.S. and likely was involved in 9/11. Those who want to make any issue about Israel into an issue about Jews are Zionists and their apologists. Those who will never stop using their (quite frankly BS) role as "defenders of Jews" to hide their crimes behind.

Nope, we owe them nothing, and neither do any Jews owe them anything. People are free to side with whomever they want in a dispute between Israel and the American people, including Jews. To pretend that Jews can't handle the truth about Israel is a shining example of the soft bigotry of low expectations.

I don't care who here says what about it--we would be absolute fools to self-censor because of what CNN may or may not say about us. The second we do that, we may as well start taking our marching orders from Turner broadcasting, and see how far we get!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


He said, "that can be twisted..."

Real Truther, and Tom, you already know this, but...

Do keep in mind what LW said: "The first line of defense is to be very conscious about making any statements to the media that can be twisted to support the anti-Semitic accusation."

Note that he says, "that can be twisted..." Good phrase.

LW's careful and friendly tone is what we should emulate, IMO, if we want to make headway in the mainstream media. And, eventually, we will have to, or just plain fail. This Paula Zahn piece demonstrates some pitfalls

BTW, I liked your blog post, Truther, on the Israeli connection. The discussion was good too. People here seem realistic on the issue, and aware of the pitfalls too.

But in front of the media we will need to avoid saying stuff "that can be twisted," don't you suppose.

the media will twist anything and everything

First of all, I don't think people shuold be granting interviews to CNN or any other corrupt and clearly complicit "news source." Until responsible journalists pick up the issue, we should stick to direct outreach.

When I talk with people in the street, I never bring up Israel. I focus on the demolitions. Honestly, I almost never even bring up the Pentagon. I pique their interest with the obvious problems, and inform them of things they didn't know.

I go into moe detail on my website, so if they prove to be inetrested enough to go there, they can see my take on the more "sensitive" issues in the privacy of their home, where my words can make my case and direct people to more information they can look into from other sources, including a link to my blog here.

I think this is the best approach, and it has worked very well for me. Every now and then, some jackass will come up to me in public and ask loudly--SO THE JEWS DID IT HUH?! Because they think that will make me look bad. Depending on how many other people are standing around, there are a great many ways to make this kind of attack backfire on them.

I usually say something like--what do you mean "the Jews"? Do you actually mean to say Israeli intelligence agents? Because five of THEM were arrested for photographing, videotaping, and celbrating in front of the towers. But tell me, do you think "the Muslims" did it?

And so on. If you're not a bigot, it's not that hard to make that clear in front of strangers. The shills just end up looking like tehy're really uncomfortable about something.

Oh yeah, for the record, if it hadn't been for people constantly calling us in the truth movement holocaust deniers, I never would have thought to question the established narrative. So if they think this is a good tactic, they are wrong. Unless of course we let them dictate the terms of the debate by suggesting that only haters could possibly doubt the official story not just about the holocaust, but about 9/11.

Bascially, they're screwed. :)


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


RT - Why shouldn't we grant any interviews to CNN

or anyone else in the msm?

Isn't that more than a little extreme?

Why should we handicap ourselves to this extent regarding our efforts to do public outreach through the msm?

You decry my suggestion of enlightened message management and then espouse complete censorship in regards to interviews with the msm. How do you reconcile this?

I fully support anyone's research into any and all aspects of the 9/11 crimes.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

here's why, in my opinion...

Because the MSM (for the most part) is not going to be running objective pieces on this issue, instead getting you up there to make you look bad. It is much more effective for a thousand truthers to go out and talk to a thousand people in public than for 1 truther to go on CNN to help them make a hit pieve. If CNN will not cover it, or if they cover it in a biased manner, then people who know truthers from speaking to them in public will have all the more reason never to watch CNN again. You may say, well we have to reach out to CNN viewers too. Well, they're out there in the street--go talk to them in person. I'm not saying don't talk to the reporter from the local rag, I'm saying don't help huge media conglomerates that are in the business of selling people on illegal wars do their job!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force



Thank you for your compliment.

I fully support any and all research into all aspects related to 9/11.

My concern here is the public relations aspects of the 9/11 Truth movement and how we can best get our message across to the public and to avoid this obvious attempt to "re-brand" the Truth movement as "9/11 Deniers" cousins to Holocaust deniers.

For the record: I am certain that elements of Mossad were involved in 9/11, as were elements of American, British, Pakistani and Saudi intelligence. There were also many other non-intelligence people involved in the crimes of 9/11.

I am also of the opinion that the "dancing Israelis" that were arrested in New Jersey acted in a way that guaranteed that they would be arrested. They could've easily documented the destruction of the Towers in a low key manner, but intentionally chose to provoke their own arrest, knowing that they would be released after a few phone calls were made. Their reasons for doing this should now be obvious to everyone, this is just one more aspect to this massive PsyOP.

I look forward to hearing more about your ongoing and important research.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Well, here is the latest

Well, here is the latest attack. I know nothing about this guy who is going to host an upcoming accountability conference, but the slam is that he is a Holocaust denier and that everyone attending buys into it.

Denier's Conference

Hold onto your binoculars, bird lovers. This so-called "9/11 Accountability Conference" to be held February 23-25 at Chandler's Crown Plaza San Marcos is being organized by — get this — a gen-u-wine Holocaust denier.

HA! That's rich...

I know a few people here who not only have been talking about attending that conference but who also have a problem with holocaust revisionism. I honestly don't know what to make of this situation.

Either some people around here don't do their homework, or this whole things has been a sham from the beginning. Get everyone interested in this conference, then after CNN runs its anti-semitism hit piece, reveal that the organizer is a "holocaust denier." And from what it seems, not among the most accomplished or erudite, i.e. a perfect patsy.

What I don't remember ever seeing before now is any mention of who was organizing this äccountability conference." Just goes to show that real truthers should be careful about who they jump in line behind for what events!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


It feels that way...

We get misterguy going heavy on the "holocaust" the last few days, then this... hmmmm

Next it'll be those who believe in god vs those who don't, etc etc...

I suppose under these circumstances it might be advisable for Eric Williams to step down as host for the sake of 9/11 Truth, I'm sure there is someone who can take his place and sooner rather than later...

Vive le Truth

Of course it doesn't occur

Of course it doesn't occur to you that if RT was asked to speak at a 9/11 conference he too could be exposed as a Holocaust denier.

And I would very much like to turn those who believe the Holocaust occurred against those who don't. Just as I'm pleased to split the movement along the lines of no-planes.

Also I think you mistyped.

Also I think you mistyped. I haven't been going heavy on the holocaust in the last few days, but have been railing AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL. If people read what you've written without knowing the context they'd likely come to the opposite conclusion.

How smooth of you.

I said it how I saw it...

You started with the allegations of "holocaust denier" even though no-one even mentioned it (why?), as far as I am aware this site allows us to answer and respond honestly, free speech is still our right (not if you had your way I expect).

If someone is digging for dirt on someone, I doubt that any of us are PERFECT (even you), some like to wear womens clothes, snort coke etc etc, standard tabloid demonisation, it's not rocket science to apply guilt by association and it's a tried and tested method !!!

Whilst I agree that this subject can and if possible will be used by those attemping to cover-up 9/11 to tarnish 9/11Truth, I totally agree with RT that the priniciple of questioning the holocaust is more than valid (the truth will someday be known anyway).

Have you spent years going through the actual war diaries and archives... didn't think so... anyway !!!

This site is about 9/11 not the holocaust, if RT went on national TV to discuss 9/11 and spent the whole show discussing holocaust revisionism, then I would agree with you, however he did not...

Similar scenarios exist with racism, sexuality, even the moon landings and probably a few other topics deemed contraversial and taboo.

Finally, I've frequented these boards for many months and cannot recall the holocaust being discussed by any named members.

Best wishes...

I only started throwing

I only started throwing around the correct charge of Holocaust Denier after Real Truther explicitly denied the reality of the Holocaust.

When you say that you agree with RT and his questioning of the Holocaust does that mean that you agree with denying that it happened? Also do you agree with his use of the Four Million variant, which is a bait and switch ruse?

If RT were to go on national TV all the reporter would have to do to discredit him and everything else he's said is quote the shit he's posted in this very thread.

It was brought up in the CNN

It was brought up in the CNN hit piece in regards to Hufschmid. I pointed out that the reason these hit pieces are effective is because we have holocaust deniers inside the movement. RT responded to my comment by denying the Holocaust.

Being a Holocaust denier is not the same as being a transvestite. Holocaust deniers purposefully distort history in order to prove a pet theory. People like Hufschmid do the same when it comes to 911.

Finally I think it's likely that the Holocaust deniers in the movement are mostly disinfo. They are here to make us look bad and that's all.


In my opinion the whole world and everyone in it is guilty of a crime as long as these lies about 9/11 are allowed to stand.

Claiming ignorance is no longer a viable defense.

This information is there for everyone to have a basic understanding of the issue of needing a new investigation.

Everyone is affected... if not now.... in the past
if not now....then in a time to come.

This truth behind these attacks is the lynch pin which restricts our evolution.

These events connect one and all.... we should all have a vested interest in the truth..... and anyone who can not see the need for answers to these questions is as guilty as those who perpetraited these crimes.
Ignorance is NOT Bliss

that is not good to leave

that is not good to leave out the mossad involvement

this doesnt mean someone hates jews

cfr did 911 with traitors in america, and with mossad

this can leave an historic example that ends anti semitic paranoia forever

Some good points all around.

Some good points all around.

While I agree that making the Mossad angle the centerpiece of our argument is not a wise move (nor does it make sense), I do not think the issue should be marginalized or brought up as a last resort, either.

Marginalizing the Israeli role will actually turn this into MORE of a wedge issue that it already is, wth one camp yelling: "what about the Isralies!" and the other "Shhh! We'll be smeared as anti-semites!"

Therefore, the only sensible thing to do is to be open and honest, acknowledging the Mossad angle -- along with the many other smoking guns -- while stressing that Israel is merely an important partner in the global crime syndicate, not its sole base of operations. Condemning all Jews for the actions of the Israeli state makes no more sense than condemning all Christians for those of the American government. This also applies to Israeli Jews -- at least those who don't swallow the poison pill of Zionism.

While it is true that people have a certain collective responsibility with respect their governments, it is also true that our societies are so splintered that it is very difficult -- at present -- for people to effect the actions of their overlords in any meaningful way. This will change, eventually.

Point is, tarring massive groups of people with one brush is simply not logical. Most of us know this, of course, but we have to clear when speaking to not-so-bright members of the public and mediawhores (but I repeat myself).

Actually, this whole debate is an excellent way of encouraging people to stop looking at states as benign or even benevolent extensions of themselves and their communities but rather parasitic growths that threaten their very survival. It's also a great opportunity for Jewish people to condemn the racist apartheid government of Israel and encourage equal rights for Palestinians.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Did you know

That the Jewish people do not believe in Jesus?

It astonishes me how people cling to religion... how their beliefs cloud their judgement.

Anti-Semitism is just another example of this....

How did Jews become holier than thou and how did they get everyone to adhere to this stance?

It's almost comical really.... can Jews do no wrong?

Let's ask Jesus
Ignorance is NOT Bliss

Mahatma Gandhi

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

Great quote LeftWright and great post as well. It's hard to stay focused sometimes as we can see in this thread, but we are getting there. We can only do what we can do, but I'm going to damn well do it and Building 7 is the corner stone for me. Peace.