Letter From a New Jersey Emergency Medical Technician

Dylan Avery posted the following letter which he and Mark of "Screw Loose Change" received. Well worth the read.

I don't know what to say, I'm not sure where I stand, and I don't know what to think anymore... not about 9/11, but society in general.

I was a NJ EMT for 6 years. I was in NY at the WTC before, during, and after the collapse. I ran from the falling towers. I hid behind a plexi-glass bus stop panel, as if that would have helped me if anything large came hurtling in that direction. My lungs are full of dust and I can barely breathe without holding back a cough and the ever-present faint taste of blood in the back of my throat. I wake up gasping for air. Those towers fell, and I was there. I don't know why the "official story" of what happened isn't questioned more than it is. Nobody listens to the people who KNOW. The 9/11 commission was made up of puppeteers, and the tesimony was given by the puppets. It's so obvious. It was a failure. If the things I, and hundreds of other people saw, felt, and heard didn't make it into that attrocious failure called the 9/11 Commission Report, then there is no other con clusion than accepting the fact that the whole thing was a whitewash.

Mark... listen to me. There were explosions. There were flashes. There was molten metal running down the I-beams of the basement levels like lava flows. I've never seen anything like it. Yes, planes hit the buildings- anybody who says otherwise is a moron. But the explosions- the rapid, symmetrical, sequential explosions- they happened. We were in the basement, helping a man who had been struck by pieces of flying concrete and rebar, and there was one of the huge steel and concrete support pillars with an 8 foot section blown out of the center of it. We looked around and there were other support columns that were the same. We spoke about it right then and there... we were discussing as we were carrying this man, saying "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?". That sort of thing does not happen from an airplane hitting the building 70, 80 stories up. We stood outside listening to the explosions. One after the other, every minute or so. At one point, about 10 minutes before the first collapse, a 30 foot or so section of the courtyard exlploded straight up into the air. Just before the collapses, a series of deep, below ground explosions, then numerous explosions in the buildings upper floors. Then we ran. We felt the same deep explosions before the second collapse. This was not just the planes. THE BUILDINGS WERE RIGGED. There is no question about it. Hundreds of people know this, Mark. People were told, the crowds of people were TOLD over bullhorns, that building 7 was going to be pulled (and YES that is the term they used). There was a 20 second countdown over the radios, there were bright flashes up and down the sides of building 7, you could see them through the windows...and it collapsed. We all knew it was intentionally pulled... they told us! There was no question about it until a day or so later when the news was reporting that it had collapsed due to fire. We kept wondering when they were going to correct the news reports. Eventually, it became "official story".

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I tried to explain that wasn't what happened. I kept telling people there were explosions. I kept explaining what I saw, and wrote to the newspapers, the networks, and the government about what I saw. I called to speak to the FDNY, and NYPD. I told them what I knew and wanted know why the news reports were wrong. I wasn't told I was wrong. I wasn't even given a different explaination. I was just told to "shut up", "forget about it", or "let it go, for my own good". I told my EMT Coordinator In Charge what we saw. The four of us from my squad who went were first congratulated for responding and doing such a good job, and later, two of us (the two that refused to "let it go") were brought up on charges of disorderly conduct, fired, and fined for the uniforms and equipment we used on 9/11 because they were ruined. The other two (who are women, one a mother of two, the other a mother of 3) now ref use to admit they were even there, even to us! They just won't speak about it. The four of us were heroes. Two of us were harrassed and fired, and the other two have to deny ever being there.

There is no doubt in my mind what happened in New York on 9/11. Yes, some of the conspiracy theories are far fetched. A few are even rediculous. But MOST of them, hold much more validity than the "official story". The government has one theory, and it is very weak, at best. Loose Change may be questionable, but that's what it is doing... providing theories and asking questions. Some of those questions get answered, others come up. THAT is why there is a 2nd Edition and a future final cut. Yes, the truth must be updated, of course it does. To say it doesn't is silly. What do you think an investigation is? You formulate a theory, ask questions, and get answers. When you come across new information or rule out false information, you update your theory. Why do you ridicule that concept? Why do you take so much pride in claiming "I didn't know the truth needed a 2n d Edition"? That's like your main motto and it's the weakest thing I've ever heard. Would it make more sense to you to write a story, or make a documentary, and NOT update it if you found new information? Would you want today's school children learning out of a 1977 1st Edition History textbook? Would you criticize an updated edition for them to learn out of? What about following editions? Of course not. My point is this: Loose Change may not be 100% accurate or complete, but it offers more plausible explanations, no matter how diabolical, than the 9/11 commission report fiasco.

In case you are wondering, no. I'm not going to give you my full name or what city I worked for. I had enough trouble having it dragged through local newspapers for two years. I don't want to lose another job. I don't want you unfoundedly slandering my name all over the net like you do with Dylan, Jason, and whoever else offers a point of view other than yours. I'm not giving you my name, so do as you wish with what I've told you. Just remember something. It's very easy to deny something, and even easier to "debunk" it with a simpler story, and simpler still to present that information to millions of people who not only have heard it as truth before, but WANT to believe it. It is much harder to piece together a series of events that makes much more sense, provides a motive, a means, and more capable suspects, and harder yet to present that information to millions of people who not only DON'T want it to be true, but have already heard a much happier story that they would rather believe.

Trust me, I'd much rather believe the official story. I'd also rather believe that Columbus discovered America and DIDN'T torture and murder the natives he encountered on the way here. But history had a 2nd Edition to that story. I can't wait for the Final Cut.

Show "really great account. Other" by truth911.net

No other witnesses?

How about the firefighters and other credible people: http://911proof.com/11.html


I've got a list of 50 if you want them

Here's an excellent paper on the subject

Wednesday, January 18 2006
Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

by David Ray Griffin

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Other great evidence are the thermal images taken by satalite

revealing molten-metal temperatures that were far too high to have been produced by any jet-fuel/office-building fire!

Why did people vote down

Why did people vote down this suggestion?

Probably for the "this seems

Probably for the "this seems to be the only person who maintains that there were explosions" part.

Is it so hard to offer a

Is it so hard to offer a correction? Seemed like a legitimate suggestion to me.


Are you suggesting that you had never heard about the numerous eyewintness accounts of explosions going off in the building? Pardon me for being incredulous, but for someone who posts here so often, I would have thought you would have picked up on this.

I'm certainly wouldn't want to give anyone a hard time for not knowing something about 9/11 truth. That's one of the reasons we are all here. But I am a bit surprises by your response.

International Truth Movement

Ha Ha Ha!

Now you see all the testimonies. What you got TO say?
Crawl away & STAY AWAY PLEASE!
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

I am skeptical of this... like the "Sam Danner" stuff...

unless there's a name and face behind the letter, I can't really take this at face value at the moment.

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I have advocated for a long time

that potential witnesses be screened or investigated by someone really good at telling the real mccoy from fakes, e.g. a really good private eye.

I have also lobbied for a long time to have witnesses who say "I'll only come forward if subpoenaed" come forward NOW so that they're testimony can be taken, and then prosecutors can be told "We've got 200 witnesses, including [fill in credible job title without devulging name]" who WILL come forward if you file charges.

Dylan also posted this in his forum...

I have his personal info. I left it out for a reason.

Again, it's certainly not 100% proof of anything. We'll see how the correspondence turns out. If he's not legit, I will let you all know.

Only time will tell

Best wishes

Either way...

Whether this was a legit eyewitness account, or a dramatic representation of all the eyewitness testimony, I find it a compelling expression of the frustration felt by those who's personal experiences have been called into question by mainstream sources, our debunkers, and even by some in the movement.

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I disagree

If he is legit, great.

If he is a fraud, it does us no good, no matter how metaphorical or symbolic the letter may be.

my $.02

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I agree with you. If he's a

I agree with you. If he's a fraud he's no good to us, but this doesn't stink as badly as some of the others.

I basically agree, but...

I share your general assessment of the situation, as this testimony, in a big way, is only really important if the person is legit. But just because we recognize the strategic significance of this supposed testimony, doesn't mean we have to entirely ignore its impact as a someone's dramatic personal expression.

Dylan, if you're reading

Dylan, if you're reading this: you should really try to get this guy/gal to appear in Final Cut.
It would be a strong statement.
Of course, I know you already realize this and I'm sure you're trying.
Just try to explain what a eyewitness like this would mean to the movement. Jobs come and go, being a hero he/she would go down in history.
Of course, it's not my job on the line so it's easy for me to say.
Keep up the good work!
The world is waiting for your movie!!!

he replied...check the blog.

he replied...check the blog.

hey, i couldn't find

hey, i couldn't find it...where is it?


http://www.loosechange911.blogspot.com the EMT's response to Dylan about using his name and appearing in Final Cut

get a video testimony

Dylan, maybe you can ask to get his video testimony (but not release it) just so that we have it in case he changes his mind later. He might not be able to give any testimony later though should his health deteriorate further.

I'm sorry, I know this sounds macabre but we need to get video testimony of these people before they die off.

Indeed, I think this was the plan of the 9/11 perpetrators from the beginning. Without any more original eye-witnesses alive it will be all the harder to uncover this.

Wishing all eye-witnesses of 9/11 a good health and a long life...

Good call - Just do it on their terms!

You might encourage victims to do this if an agreement is reached to show it after they pass! As skeptical media pressure could destroy the days they have left? You only get one life.
Mind you I would personally be thinking of the children of the Middle East and especially of the ones in Iran. The evil empire is making the death star ready as we speak!! Time is short.
God help them.

Regards John




from dylan's blog: Open

from dylan's blog:

Open Letter Part B
The EMT from below wrote me back.

I don't mind if you put the Mike, 30, NJ... I think it's anonymous enough. Whatever you like, you are welcome to post the letter on your site. The SLC douchebag will probably post it anyway and rip me up. Whatever. I don't know if I can make NYC, and as far as telling my story in the final cut, I'd really love to, but my life is pretty much in shambles just from pushing the issue back then. I honestly can't afford any more repercussions. I realize that's a cop-out, and I'm almost ashamed that I can't just say to hell with it, but I'm almost broke as it is and living close to poverty level. Anyway, enough of my crybaby bullshit. It would be an honor to be in the final cut, but I just can't risk it. I apologize. All the best to you guys, though, and if there's anything I can do to help distribute copies of Loose Change, I'd be more than willing if you wanted to send me a bunch, it's up to you, let me know. Excelle nt work, gentlemen, and thank you.

Certainly, It's easy to say this not being Mike but, if I truly believe that if I were he and my story real, I would take this opportunity to go public in a heartbeat. The hell with honor. I would consider it a duty.

I'm almost broke. My consulting work has taken a nosedive and I know it is because I cannot shut up about 9/11. In EVERY opportunity, no matter how tiny, I initiate a conversation about 9/11. I can't help it. And despite the glaring evidence that I cite that warrants, AT THE VERY LEAST, a new investigation, I know that the majority of those who hear it from me will ignore it and go on with their lives as if all is well and I'm just crazy. I give out DVDs and the Citizens Rule Book. I have sponsored film screenings. I will not stop.

About once a week, I listen to the Ground Zero First Responders who spoke out at St. Mark's ... David Miller, Craig Bartmer, Mike McCormick, Kevin McPadden and I cry. I, too, am a first responder and serve my little community as a volunteer firefighter and medical first responder. I can't shut up. I won't shut up.

I hope and pray that Mike isn't already (he doesn't indicate) or doesn't end up suffering the same consequences of those Ground Zero Heros who are dying and those who have already died. I pray that not another one dies.

Mike, I beg you. Please reconsider. I printed the following and put it on my bathroom mirror so that I will see it every day:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams

The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Dylan will be on Alex Jones today talking about this

If anyone needs a stream, try going to Revere Radio and clicking on one of the "Live Stations" on the top/right side of the page:



Dylan is on soon Alex is talking about this story now (1248pm EST)

AJ is talking about how NPR reported on 9/11 that there was talk about bringing Building 7 down on purpose.

Dylan will be on at the top of the hour (1pm EST)

If anyone misses the show, the archive should be posted here later tonight:

Article posted about this at Prison Planet:

If this turns out to be a hoax, the JREFers are never going to shut up about it. I hope Dylan knows what he's doing by going public with this.

Dylan, if you're reading this...

Will you be putting Indira Singh's testimony in your documentary LC?

-Pacifica Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)

Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview.
Audio: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78

Kevin McPadden's testimony also corroborates Building 7 CD story

Sep 20, 2006
Pacifica Radio's Guns & Butter
New York Stories: 9/11 First Responders
Former Air Force Speical Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden
Audio stream:

Show archive page is here:

McPadden's speech begins at 46 minutes in

@ 48:14 he makes the following comment about what he witnessed while at Ground Zero on 9/11...

Kevin McPadden talking about Building 7: "They said "Hey... you gotta stay behind this line, because they're thinking about taking this building down."

A technical point of order

How much of a disclaimer do I have to give to get away with saying this? The potential of this testimony excites me as much as anyone else here. For the moment I have no reason not to trust that Dylan Avery is doing what he can to confirm the validity of this story. And how insulting it is to suggest that a ground zero first responder is faking it.

The following comments originate simply from my respect for evidence. In order to establish the validity of this testimony, we would need to confirm this man's identity, and also place him at the scene. He wouldn't even be put on the stand in a trial or hearing if these two things hadn't been established. And I think its fair to say that the movement really needs this information as well if we are to use this testimony in our research.

That being said, I think this is just a matter of patience. If this is big, something will come of it, if even just the secret video testimony being suggested above. But we have to be careful not to let this story leak into the realm of mushy facts, promoted by some of our well intentioned and misinformed peers. So far its just a moving story.

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you know.... the loose

you know....

the loose change crew could film this guy reading this and put his credentials on the screeen

then we could attack the fake msm sites with the youtube of it