Rick Siegel Speaks Out About 911truth

Here, in unedited form, is Mr. Rick Siegel's most recent editorial on 911 Truth. For those who do not know Mr. Siegel, he is the producer of 911 Eyewitness, as well as webmaster to numerous 911-themed websites that promote the work of James Fetzer, Judy Woods, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, 911Blimp, Webfairy, Killtown, among others.

Mon, 02/12/2007 - 17:16 — rick
Year End Report from the Battlefields

It has been a little over a year since my introduction into the world of “911Truth” and this is a report of it to my readers.

When Henrik Melvang, from http://www.terrorize.dk, first contacted me, then introducing me to Dave, the producer and researcher from Blue Star Media, I had no idea what my recording from that day had, nor what was in store for me. The tape, showing criminal culpabilities of the ruling class, is more the Monkey’s Claw than the key to happiness and freedom it was hoped to be.

This is not a report of what is on that tape or the strange handling of me, and my evidence, which will wait for a later article. This is about what it has meant to the world, the ruling powers, their supporters, and me. The tape being so powerful a testimony to the fraud and corruption surrounding that day it leaves a myriad of questions to why no indictments, investigations, trials and convictions are in progress? It asks why, after over a year, people are not up in arms?

I had spent the 3 years prior, before knowing about 9/11, studying the Holy Roman Empire and the Rothshields. None of it had prepared me for the onslaught of infiltrated agents I was to face in this faux truth movement. The facade of 911truth unveiled itself as the face of 911fraud as soon as these people invited me to my first conference last spring. There I met, and got to know many of the big name “leaders” of these “911truthers” as they like to be called.

The slimy insinuations, constant infighting, cloak and dagger politics made themselves known to me without even the first nights passing. I decided after a few hours in the bar chatting that I was better off in the room watching CNN or FOX. That is how bad it was.

My speech was on Freedom and Liberty, as it always is, and the crowd was ecstatic to join me on a march into DC to take back what is ours.

The “organizations” sent their front man to explain how that cannot work. Each branch of the “organizations” sent their front people to explain the same thing. Washington DC front people came and told me they would do everything they can to block it. In fact I was told flat out to give it up, go to NYC and make a public statement that Morgan Reynolds and Jimmy Walters were crazy or become their target. I am now their target.

With evidence unavailable and being held by the government, who are the primary suspects, there can be no “100 percent proof” until those gates are opened to that evidence. Nothing can be discounted until that time. These organizations, their stars, their drones spend the vast amount of their time creating sides on issues rather than focusing on changing our living circumstance. The organizations pursue endless loops that keep them busy, entertained and split.

Any rational being would wonder when Americans would start their murder investigation and not be so concerned about “100% proof” before a trial, or even before the indictment. I see disinformation as organizations spewing faux nationalistic inspiration, distractions, busy work, and a silly demand for “100 percent scientific proof” of crimes before an indictment. An incredibly ignorant group.

One does not need to know the science of the bomb to know an investigation into any murders never took place. Crimes are abundant and covered over, glossed and profited from as the organizations promote more busy work, more required proofs, more proof than a judicial proceeding – and all to get an indictment? These people are sick.

Which brings us back to the fabulous organizations I encountered along this monkey ride of 911 weirdness. Through the summer the phone calls came in from all 911truth quarters in a most intimidating way. Each accompanied by threats of financial ruin, reputation slanders, and minimalization within their movement. Whoopee doo! Here I am and the 911truth agents call me disinformation. So what?

I won’t name these people. They are so trivial it is of no import to allow them my attention. I will state that if you are in an organization you are being led and that is how the powers want you. That is how it has been designed. It matters not if the top is owned, it is owned anyway. You are fighting a billion dollar a year Department of Defense budget for the war on the Internet and a major part of their effort is to make sure anyone who should entertain truth or should fight for freedom will go without funds, support or security.

The organizational cheerleaders put out their forum posts to antagonize the “crowd”. No one notices the sums of money they rake in on their conferences, sales of goodies and donations for more of the same. The double edge sword shows again that those who work within the restrictions imposed by those organizations will be fed and those that do not conform are destroyed. This is just the same ruling class modus opperandi wrapped in the enigma of a 911truth organization. The joke is not funny.

Falling into this vortex of deceit and lies was an unfortunate event I should have avoided. In my willingness to share what was on my video I have fallen prey to the organization fever to control this information and to control the source as well. Freedom is never a strong point in any organization and the evidence of an authenticated tape impossible for the perpetrators to bear. All stops must be pulled to destroy the validity of the person so as to attack the unbiased recording. DO NOT LET ANYONE SEE 911eyewitness or listen to Rick Siegel.

All this for having been in the wrong place at the wrong time to make this video

Instead of being welcome by the “organizations” of 911truth, as the person with the only real verifiable evidence they have spent a year making me the pariah. Whole mechanisms of organizations buzz on the phone for months, the Internet ablaze with rumor and lies. Their sole goal to somehow make sure that the video of that day, never see the light of day again. Having already confiscated his computers, his companies, and his finances they now must create and then destroy a myth of “Rick Siegel.”

To do this they create a new one, an evil menace who planted news stories in Business Weeks archives and the archive.org to validate a fake tape that he put wind chimes over claiming them “bombs”. These people do not want truth so they make up lies. They smear anyone who may come out to blow the whistle while they hail the agents from other tin foil hat cliques who come to lead them.

Start with Fetzer from the JFK freaks. Jones who ruined the research for cold fusion in the 80s and brings the FBI, new age, love cults, and government agent Fred Burks and Dane Alexander Floum into this bowel movement. Fred Burks is a federal agent for 18 years and says he quit and is now a whistle blower. But no one can find that whistle he blew. Fred has been passing bogus info to the UFO cults since at least 1994 and was an agent of Clinton, Bush Sr and Jr. Dane Alexander Floum is an Intellectual Property Attorney who recently helped relieve Jim Fetzer of his intellectual property to the benefit of no one.

Neo Nazi/ Holocaust deniers abound in this cult with many of them leaders and self-promoters of each other. CNN exposed some of them including Eric Hufschmid prominently featured in such disinfo epics as 911 Mysteries and Improbable collapse. You can even find them publishing. Eric Williams who just wrote the Holocaust Denial book “The Puzzle of Auschwitz”. He is an organizer and speaker for the 911truth in their big Arizona shindig 9/11 Accountability. These are the front men of 911truth orgs? Yeah baby. I want out!

This is a bunch of loonies and the main loonies seem to be paid agents whose job is to make this a huge circus instead of a movement to change. There are no calls to change, there is no action, and every other movement shuns them because they refuse to legitimize themselves or embrace anything but their own manipulated agenda.

I called for each of these so-called leaders to go to the lie detector. In a “truth movement” one would find no reason to refuse such. But not one of these horse puck leaders will acknowledge the thought of such a proposal. But I am telling you now I trust no one without that; they are all full of barnyard puss.

911truth is nothing more than a bunch of paid monkeys trying to keep track and herd the animals into safe haven where they can be homogenized and fertilized into safe cash cows. Safe spots will be found to dump these monkeys so they can bay at the moon in protests, stripped of some excess wealth they may squander, and all the while unconscious subjects scurrying about outside will not be fouled by these open thoughts. Everybody follow the program, can’t tell the players without a program.

9/11

Google Search: "Arrest Bush 41"

WOW...

It's almost like he is looking in a mirror and talking about himself...

Twelve months ago I had the utmost respect for Rick... Now nothing but contempt... How things change.

No regrets, no retreat !!!

Good luck JA

America

Home of the Brave
Land of the Free

Groan

I just became aware of this dispute over the use of the Seigel video. I'm at a loss. So whats the consensus? Is Seigel employing intellectual property rights to protect the validity of the footage, profit from it, or both? Either way It would seem that there are either agents trying to shift the focus into a debate, selfish types, or both therby preventing concensus on an accurate all inclusive scientific analysis of 911 events and video to be produced and freely distributed via dvd and streaming video. What a waste. I honestly hate doing this. I'm sick of it already.

I just want the slaughter of Iraqi women and children to end now and send the bastards who engineered this war down to hell where they belong one way or another.

Depleted Uranium is a WMD

There's that cash cow again,

There's that 911cash cow again, that I seem to be missing out on.

Hmm. Time to visit SLC and "he who must not be named" and see what they have to say. Disinfo has a coordination and timeing if you know where to look.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

and

who exactly is preventing him from selling his DVDs? last time i checked he is still making a profit off thee tragedy of 911 unabated.

I was refering to the

I was refering to the accusation--found many places, and repeated by him--that 911truthers are just involved to make money. Which I seem to be missing out on:

"No one mentions the sums of money they rake in..." (for some reason I can't copy/paste this)

What are YOU saying? A shill is making a profit? We knew that...

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And "he who shall not be

And "he who shall not be named" posted a reference to this blog today(with a link at SLC)--sticks to you like glue, doesn't he?

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Siegel is total disinfo, but

Siegel is total disinfo, but first and foremost a complete asshole;

Important point!

Let's not skip over Dem's point as simply true or humorous. Is it just me, or doesn't there seem to be a correlation between those who promote the wildest theories, and those who seem to be most hot headed and antagonistic? Fetzer/Seigel/Haupt don't seem to be good at the difference between punchy debate and outright slander.

This message is one big immature fallacy. And it may be more strategic than it at first appears. It seems to have been written specifically to satisfy his associates, and further piss off his critics. Agent or asshole this guy is doing us no favors. But let's not forget that he may be trying to look bad, and that his antagonistic attitude may be symptomatic of his true priorities.

International Truth Movement
http://www.truthmove.org

Oh, I've got your point,

Oh, I've got your point, Jules--never fear! It's total strategy--there are ways to test this, but if I told you here, I'd have to kill you---KIDDING! ;-)

Lets just say I'm working on it.

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Welcome to the club

Its amazing what a few death threats in the mail will do to start the wheels of investigations rolling.

He refers to "the Blackbelt Plumber"

and marking enemies with "paint guns" - and other such wink wink nod nod stilted language on his websites.

All of this stuff is so pregnant with seemingly portentous cloak and dagger language that it reeks.

I do not for one minute believe that any of these guys are as stupid as they appear. The question is whether they are stupid enough to think they are smart.

If I wanted to read the

If I wanted to read the words of a madman I would have visited his site myself, why post this garbage here?

His comments about being attacked take the cake though, has he done anything else himself in months? Playing the victim card only works when your entire website isn't covered in attack pieces.

It is posted on Blogger to educate people

While Mr Siegel cries about censorship - we are willing to allow him his say.

Some interesting quotes in there:

“You are fighting a billion dollar a year Department of Defense budget for the war on the Internet and a major part of their effort is to make sure anyone who should entertain truth or should fight for freedom will go without funds, support or security.”

You can just sense these guys circling the hornet's nest with a big-old-stick wondering if they should hit it.

If they're only spending a billion fighting the Internet

we're going to win! yeah!

"This is a bunch of loonies

"This is a bunch of loonies and the main loonies seem to be paid agents whose job is to make this a huge circus instead of a movement to change."

^ Yea and who does that best describe "Rick"?

Here is a handy chart

That illustrates the unusual collaboration between this movement's most antagonistic and absurdist researchers.

http://crisisinamerica.org/media/disinformation.htm

Are we to believe this is a coincidence?

My two cents...

The facade of 911truth unveiled itself as the face of 911fraud as soon as these people invited me to my first conference last spring. There I met, and got to know many of the big name “leaders” of these “911truthers” as they like to be called.

I'm assuming he's talking about Chicago. The event he plastered on the wall the ever important Holograms at the WTC poster.

I won’t name these people.

Please do.

No one notices the sums of money they rake in on their conferences, sales of goodies and donations for more of the same.

I spent a large sum of money so that 9/11: Press For Truth could be completed. This movie is available for free online, and I have yet to see dime one from it. To be honest, I couldn't care less. PFT is only one of the things I have spent money on for this movement, out of pocket, with no return required.

As far as money made from the conferences for "more of the same"... that's the way the world works Rick. You have to have money and spend it to make a difference. To pay for ads in a newspaper. To pay for literature to be handed out. To pay for speakers to be flown in.

Instead of being welcome by the “organizations” of 911truth, as the person with the only real verifiable evidence they have spent a year making me the pariah.

Fact, 911blogger.com was the first website to heavily promote 9/11 Eyewitness. As was my site, the YBBS, where Rick Siegel used to be a member. Fact. Rick Siegel is where he is today by his own doing. As far as him having the "only real verifiable evidence", is he talking about the wind?

Neo Nazi/ Holocaust deniers abound in this cult with many of them leaders and self-promoters of each other. CNN exposed some of them including Eric Hufschmid prominently featured in such disinfo epics as 911 Mysteries and Improbable collapse. You can even find them publishing. Eric Williams who just wrote the Holocaust Denial book “The Puzzle of Auschwitz”. He is an organizer and speaker for the 911truth in their big Arizona shindig 9/11 Accountability. These are the front men of 911truth orgs?

There are about 3 or 4 that I can name in a movement of millions. This article was written today? I guess Rick didn't bother to look at the front page of 911accountability.org

As a result of the controversy surrounding Eric D. Williams, he has stepped down from involvement in the 9/11 Accountability Conference. The 911 Accountability Conference does not support Holocaust denial, nor does the 9/11 Truth Movement. No speaker listed here is known to have published works related to the Holocaust.

I could go on and on, but mostly he needs to look in a mirror.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

my 2 cents

First of all Jon, don't ever apologise for making money. That's what made America what it is today. If you have a product that people want and are willing to part with a reasonable amount of money, more power to you. And if you can do it with integrity, all the better. As a matter of fact I hope the Loose Change guys make a killing with their new movie, as I hope for anyone who can produce something of quality. (Think Michael Moore.) It's not a sin to make money legitimately. For someone like Siegel to criticise someone for making money while attempting to expose corruption is hypocritical and (dare I say it?) anti-American.
Of course he could be trying to hog it all for himself.
Keep up the great work Jon, and remember what Tom Petty said. "You don't have to live like a refuge."

Thanks, but...

I haven't made any money.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I gave away my film for free

and took a huge financial loss

the suggestion that people are profiting off this movement is another slanderous accusation. these events take money to put on and i have seen more than one event coming out of the pockets of the activists who organized the event. ticket sales usually do little to recoup expenses.

You mean...

There isn't a plane fair voucher at the Arizona Conference? Darn. Those tickets are expensive.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Was Hufschmid featured in

Was Hufschmid featured in Improbable Collapse? I don't recall that.

Not...

To my knowledge. Must be another lie of Rick's.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Absolutely not.

You wouldn't have seen my name on it as a consultant, were that the case.

You guys are awfully optimistic about the 3 parts per million ratio of Nazis in the 9/11 movement. Unfortunately, while it is a tiny minority, they take up a lot more space than that, and they are tolerated by many who wish to avoid controversy and "disunity." A big mistake.

---
summeroftruth.org

You're...

Probably right about the 3 parts per million ratio, but that's the amount of people I can name. However, ask me how many times I've seen anti-semitism and 9/11 truth mentioned in the same breath.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Show ""freaks, loonies. puss"" by Killtown

Yea he's got good taste if

Yea, he's got good taste if you like eating dogsh!t.

Show "Look how Dem Bruce talks" by Killtown

are you

attempting to claim i used the words "freaks, loonies. puss" because that, along with 75% of everything else that comes out of yoru mouth, is a lie.

Show ""75% of everything else"" by Killtown

you're right

its probably more like 85% - but i was being kind.

but - again - do youever do anything other than disrupt Blogger? you come here everyday and whine like a little bitch.

Show "Pot, meet kettle" by Killtown

Ts Ts the kids are fighting

Ts Ts the kids are fighting again... Lets fight over HOW DID THEY DO IT ...

Did you get my message regarding plutonium-pumped SPACE LASER toasted cars?
HEAR ME OUT

  • Russian super-grade plutonium and space knowhow was transferred to the USA in the years following the chaotic disintegration of the USSR. This was so serious that it warranted to kill 800 innocents aboard the ferry boat ESTONIA
  • Quote: "Back in the mid-1970s, when I was close to becoming involved in the intelligence community, I recall there was a big flap over the Soviets' development of a charged particle x-ray laser weapon that was fueled by super-grade plutonium and would have been spacebased for anti-ballistic missile service. The last generation of the proton missile was designed to deploy it. The thought occurs to me that this technology... would have fit on one of those trucks that were driven onto Estonia and that it would involve a substantial quantity of super-grade plutonium. If you put the U.S. system together with the Russian system, you've got something that can not only knock down inter-continental ballistic missiles, but is light enough in multi-use (which means it can be deployed on satellites) and can be used to hit any target on earth."
  • Quote: "Star wars is no longer a fantasy -- it is a reality.... ... the militarisation of outer space could have unpredictable consequences for the international community, and provoke nothing less than the beginning of a nuclear era. " PUTIN, feb 2007 (russian's Premier and Secret Service insider)
  • See the video where Rumsfeld and Meyers, during a press conference, piss their pants when confronted with talk of EXOTIC WEAPONS.

Of course there is countless nonsense on the net surrounding scalar weapons, mind control and the like...... but you get that.

Am I still at 911Blogger?

"you come here everyday and whine like a little bitch."

Whoa! Am I still at 911Blogger? Did I get off the information superhighway at the Screw Loose Change exit? Or is this cyber space around me actually the JREF?

Yes, I see where he can be annoying. But no, I don't see where what he wrote earned that snark. Like I told him--don't want drama? Try not contributing to it.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

I disagree

This person is a proven disruptor who usurps the good will of this open-forum community by coming here everyday and insulting people's sensibilities. he offers nothing in the way of credible debate or research - instead opting for divisive baiting. and i am personally sick of it.

Just take a look at all of Killtown's posts on Blogger. 99% of them get voted down by the community. yet - he continues to show up and launch provacative invectives. why do his posts so consistently get voted down?

I call him a whiner because he consistently blames the community (that he insults) for voting him down.

Speak in front of a mirror John

I'm going to buy you a pot and kettle for Xmas.

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Focus on the botched crash scene at Shanksville.

Ahem. Quit already and move

Ahem. Quit already and move on.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Or I might blog the two of

Or I might blog the two of you on CrossBall--and you wouldn't want that, would you?Cool

 Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

"whine like a little bitch"

"whine like a little bitch" makes you sound like an agressive prick. Now, if he'd attacked you on this level(right now, not sometime in the past), I wouldn't have any problem with your response.

And you KNOW that will just escalate it. I wouldn't let someone slide if they said that to me. Neither would you. What makes you think killtown won't?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Jenny

why are you still playing hall monitor on this? you seem to be the only one who is still stirring this pot.

i haven't posted on this thread for hours.

i agree that i used a poor choice of words - but the overwhelming sentiment of most bloggers here indicates strong disapproval of his contributions.

he is consistantly voted down - he is accused of disruption (for good reason) - he continually baits people and defends ideas and researchers that most in this movement view as harmful to our cause.

i understand that we need to take the higher ground - but - you should also not be surprised when people take an occasional swipe at these disruptors as well.

Now - i propose we drop this.

Yes, let's drop it--now you

Yes, let's drop it--now you have your last rationalised word in.

It was dropped--until you picked it up. ;-)

I dislike at least a handful of registered trolls on this site--but I don't give them a kicking unless they try to kick me first. Then I say, have at it.

And just because people disaprove of someone's contributions is not an excuse to be a prat. That's the reasoning of a bully. You are responsible for what you say reguardless of the prevailing opinion. That is what it means to have moral courage.

So let's have a test, shall we? Now I've put MY last words in--who can actually move on without another post from this point forward?

Ready..Steady...Drop!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

word

;P

Your use of the word "prick"

Your use of the word "prick" makes you sound like a blankety blank.

You might want to try that again, but this time don't commit the same offense you're railing against.

So you can't tell the

So you can't tell the difference between a statement of intentional insult and statement of discription?

Well, fortunately, J.A. understands the difference. ;-P

Now perhaps you'd like to join us both in MOVING ON?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Actually hang on a second, I

Actually hang on a second, I want to expand on this a bit, Rick Siegel has “good taste”? What? In his film he got perhaps the most abrasive narrator on earth and coupled that with elevator music for the soundtrack. I don’t think, at least to my judgment, you can in anyway describe that as having “good taste”.

I'd like to ask you a

I'd like to ask you a question, killtown:

Do you think "he who must not be named" is an asset or a liability to 911activism?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Show "No, I don't think Dem Bruce is an assest" by Killtown

Ha, ha.

When I say "he who must not be named" I mean Nico.

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Show "About Nico?" by Killtown

So you think he's an asset

So you think he's an asset to 911activism. How? And in what way do you think he's a generation ahead of everyone?

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Nico...

Has evolved to the point where humans no longer require higher brain functions.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Gee, let's all attack each other

while BushCo continues to get away with murder.

Isn't this exactly what BushCo wants us to do to each other?

Waste our time debunking each others work, discrediting each other, calling each other liars and worse?

None of us knows exactly what happened on 9-11. How could we? We don't have access to the evidence and Intel that a real investigation would have. That's way we need a real independent 9-11 investigation to find out what happened. In the meantime, if we are all at each other's throats we'll never get anywhere and BushCo wins again. Is that what we want?

Personal Attacks

Finally, a cool calm reaction! My opinion, you are all disinformation agents. No one knows what the fuck the real facts are. Yet, everyone, except a few, here seems to have an opinion. These wise ones can pick out the real disinfo from the fake disinfo. Wow, I wish I was as smart as you.

These personal attacks threads are such a fuckin waste of time. It feels like the school play ground. My daddy's dick is bigger than yours!

Come on who's got the biggest dick around here!!

Gary
911truthnc.org
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"