Alex Jones Interviews Guy Smith, Producer of BBC 9/11 Hit Piece

Alex Jones interviewed Guy Smith, producer of BBC 'Conspiracy Files: 9/11', today on his show. He also had on Dylan Avery and Paul Joseph Watson as well.

7MB Trimmed MP3 (mirror)

Definitely worth the listen.

Update: Updated post with trimmed MP3 from truthcult.com

Big thanks to nw0.info for the original rip, and Bozo for the trimmed MP3!

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gotcha covered.

gotcha covered.

Hmm.

Notice who they bring out whenever they want to take credibility away from the 9/11 truth movement.

Jim Fetzer

Light Sabres?
Lasers, Masers, and Plasmoids?
Star-Wars Beam Weapons?
Cutting-Edge?

His irresponsible conjecture has gone too far. He has to know that this doesn't help.

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i dont have time to listen

i dont have time to listen and am just pulling a quick drive-by right now. please tell me Alex gave it to this guy or at least got him to admit the intentions of the piece.

I'm listening now.. he

I'm listening now.. he TOTALLY reams this guy.. and to be quite honest, it sounds like he deserved it.

bout to watch the BBC film now.

nice. exactly what i wanted

nice. exactly what i wanted to hear. i look forward to it.

Reams this guy?

Reams this guy is an understatement. He just tears this guy a new ass-hole to put it mildly. AJ is one guy who you DON'T want to argue 9/11 truth with. He is like a high-powered computer running full speed. He just rips this clown apart. Great job AJ!!!

Alex rocks.

He reveals how this obviously shys away from the truth. No operation northwoods, no molten steel. The harder they squeeze, the more peoples eyes pop open to the truth.

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oh, and please do me a favor

oh, and please do me a favor and go rank Reagan last in this poll. what a friggin travesty:

According to a Feb. 9-11 , 2007, Gallup Poll, Lincoln is back at No. 1 with Americans. Still, he holds this position based on responses from a fairly small percentage of the public. Eighteen percent of Americans today name Lincoln as the greatest U.S. president. He is closely followed by Reagan, with 16%, and John F. Kennedy, with 14%. Bill Clinton (13%) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (9%) round out the top five.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/lincoln-resumes-position-as-no-1...

That's a ridiculous poll

JFK had some redeeming qualities and was killed for them. The rest are SCUM. Lincoln was the most overrated president in history. He was definitely not an emancipator and started one of the worst wars in histor (civil).
Reagan was no worse than the rest. He was a terrible president but who was pulling his strings? Think CFR. Same with Clinton, same with Bush II.

It's all a bunch of nonsense that we should think of our past presidents as great men. Most of them were power hungry egotists, some were mentally deranged.

i agree with all of that,

i agree with all of that, but Bush41 is on his own level when it comes to evil.

JFK

Andrew Jackson was a fantastic president (he put the banksters (central bank) out of business - that is a hero). Listen to Money Masters (video.google.com).

In my opinion JFK was a great president.

I don't care if he was in Vegas the whole weekend, 52 weeks a year. That means nothing to me.

The rest of the time:
1. He had the US treasury print money instead of the private federal reserve printing it. This alone made him a hero. This made him the chief enemy of the banksters.
2. He said no to Operation Northwoods. Said it to the face of those in the Pentagon. Which may show us where the 911 "northwoods" came from.
3. Rumor was he was going to get out of Vietnam. This made him an enemy of the War for Profit corporations who are raking in the dough today. The DFI (stock defense index) has tripled since the start of the IRaq war. It is up about 9 points today. Maybe because of Iran.

JFK had GUTS. He put his life on the line. What a hero !!

Result he was assasinated.

RFK was just like his brother. Another great man.

Result - he was assasinated also.

Right-on

I agree completely. JFK was a great president and RFK would have been had they not murdered him. The rest, including Lincoln were scum. Bush 1 leads the list. That man has more blood on his hands than Hitler.

Vital Points that Need to be Made

I listened to this radio broadcast. I was disappointed in the performance of Jones, Avery and Watson on that show, even though they did call Guy Smith out on a number of good points which he had no reasonable answers for.

To begin with, there is an absolutely critical piece of evidence that they failed to mention when Guy Smith was asking for definitive proof that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by controlled demolition, and that's the video of yellow to white-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower.

Folks, that piece of evidence isn't merely a smoking gun: it's a smoking nuclear cannon. That video, alone and by itself, is irrefragable *proof* that the South Tower (at the very least) had thermite-like ("like" in the sense of producing comparable temperatures) incendiary demolition charges with the ability to easily slice through structural steel going off within it. There is no innocent explanation for what that video records.

One could ignore all the other massive amounts of hardcore evidence that the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks from beginning to end (i.e., the veritible bottomless sea of smoking guns that we're drowning in), and this video *by itself* would be far more than enough to incontrovertibly *prove* that the South Tower had incendiary demolition charges set within it that were going off.

Below are videos which contain some of this footage:

http://www.supportthetruth.com/vids/thermite.wmv

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Molten%20Metal%20from%20WTC.mpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151

Second--and this is a problem many people here have, including the people who post the main articles to this blog--is that they let Guy Smith get away with the "conspiracy theory [or theorist]" ad hominem attack without adequately rebutting him.

Alex Jones tried to rebutt Guy Smith on this point by saying that the U.S. government's offical story (which, by the way, has changed quite a number of times) regarding the 9/11 attack is a conspiracy theory due to its numerous absurdities. While although said offical story truly is absurd and totally disprovable, that's not how to properly answer this point.

A conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in a plan which involves doing something unrightful or untoward to another person or other people (of which plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy).

Since obviously more than one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then *by definition* it is a conspiracy, even if one completely accepts the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, anti-historical, anti-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks. Hence, *by definition* the U.S. government's offical fairy tale is a conspiracy theory, as the U.S. government is putting forth a theory concerning the 9/11 attacks which involves a conspiracy.

That is the way to properly anwser the "conspiracy theorist" charge, as it's being used as a hypocritical ad hominem attack, since that charge *by definition* applies just as much to the U.S. government's disingenuous offical theory, as it is a theory involving conspiracy.

Never let the hypocritical "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorist" charge pass over without pointing out that the person making the charge is by definition also a conspiracy theorist. Too often I see people here just let that charge pass by without answering it; or sometimes people here in the 9/11 Truth movement will actually apply that term to our position (I suppose from hearing it repeated by the mainstream major media so often). But this charge is being made as an ad hominem attack--a hypocritical and self-contradicting ad hominem attack, at that.

Third, Guy Smith asked why haven't people come forward admitting to taking part in staging the 9/11 attacks on behalf of the U.S. government. To begin with, anyone who would admit to such a thing would be admitting to committing mass-murder, and would thereby qualify for the death penalty. They would also be made to look like kooks by the U.S. government and would likely be brought up on trumped-up charges possibly unrelated to the 9/11 attack in order further damage their credibility. While in jail they could quite possibly look forward to getting raped and having the daylights tortured out of them, and then dying from a "suicide" or chemically-induced "heart attack."

As well, the U.S. government would have chosen people for such a task who are either thoroughly sociopathic or so indoctrinated with fallacious religious conditioning that they would either take pleasure in the acts or think that they are involved in a wonderful, Godly thing. Concerning the latter, I can well believe that the dancing Israelis could have quite possibly been the ones the U.S. government had planting the themite-like indeniaries in the towers, since they obviously knew the attacks were coming (going by their own words on that matter, as well as their actions) and were not at all surprised and indeed were overjoyed when the attacks did take place. Many in Israel have been so conditioned with an "us against the rest of the world" thought-process that they are totally convinced that pretty much the entire gentile world is out to completely exterminate all the Jews. Further, many of these very types have been conditioned into a Messianic End-Times position that views Israel is the center of the world, along with the absolute necessity to promote Israel's interests at all costs in order to fulfill Old Testament End-Times prophecy. So such thoroughly-conditioned Israelis would quite literally believe that they were on a mission from God.

Nor am I implying via the above that the Israeli government was the main culprit in staging the attacks, as Israel can't make the FAA and NORAD stand down, neither can Israel plant thermite-like incendiaries in the towers without the U.S. government's help and consent. The U.S. government was the party utlimately responsible for intentionally staging the attacks, with Israeli agents possibly being used by the U.S. government in order to put some distance between itself ("plausible deniability" they call it). At the very least, we do know for an absolute fact that Israeli agents were being used to track the Arab U.S. government military agents (as there is tons of proof demonstrating that these Arabs were trained on U.S. military bases in the U.S.) who are popularly termed the "9/11 hijackers."

Additionally, governments throughout history are often known to eliminate their agents once they have performed their task. People die and go missing all the time without it becoming a major news item. So it could be that a number of the people who actually planted the thermite-like incendiaries in the towers (or who were involved in other tasks in knowingly staging the 9/11 attacks) are already dead.

Regarding the yellow to white-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower, from its color it had to be at least over 1000 °C, yet jet fuel burns in open air at 260-315 °C; nor do any office, building, or plane materials burn anywhere near that hot (indeed, it would present quite a hazard if such articles were constructed with such powerful incendiaries, and so designers of such objects go out of their way to make sure that they are not). Thus, if it wasn't molten iron from thermite that we are seeing come off the South Tower, then by necessity a reaction source with a heat intensity very much like thermite had to be present. Yet there is nothing in the U.S. government's account that can explain such a heat source; indeed, there's nothing innocent that could explain it, since it requires some sort of extremely powerful incendiary.

Moreover, even the official FEMA scientists Jonathan Barnett, Ronald R. Biederman, and R. D. Sisson, Jr. bolster the evidence that thermate (i.e., thermite with sulfur added) was used to bring down the WTC towers (see "C Limited Metallurgical Examination," FEMA 403--World Trade Center Building Performance Study http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf ):

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Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent inter granular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. ... No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown.
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Below is Dr. Jones's relevant paper:

"Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?," Steven E. Jones, Ph.D., Journal of 911 Studies, Vol. 3 (September 2006):

http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%20W...

"Experiments with Molten Aluminum," Steven E. Jones with Wesley Lifferth, Jared Dodson, Jacob Stevenson and Shannon Walch, circa June 2006:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ExptAlMelt.doc

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Molten metal IS a smoking

Molten metal IS a smoking gun for "experts", but most "experts"are already aware and silent. Your average person points to the silence of the scientist and engineer and is not moved by discussions of melting points and molten metal. I tried this very point with a busdriver today and he suggested that the metal was probably from the planes! Just to show what we are dealing with. Finally, I asked him how many buildings fell that day and he evaded the question for a few seconds until I mentioned Building 7 at which point he said " Ya , I seen some of that 'stuff' on the internet" or something to that effect in a condescending kind of way that told me he had made up his mind about 911 .I wanted so badly to show him the clip of building 7's collapse I have on my Ipod but I was pushing it to begin with just talking in a freindly , civil , manner ( safety rules), so I left it at that and got off at my stop.

Seeing It with One's Own Eyes Is Even Far More Damning

Alex Jones did mention and play some of the clips where the firefighters talk about the molten steel that was in the collapse pile of the World Trade Center. But that's not nearly as convincing as being able to see with one's own eyes the yellow-hot molten metal cascading off the South Tower.

With simply hearing it from the firefighters, one could just pooh-pooh it as if the firefighters might be mistaken, like Guy Smith basically did.

But we don't have to rely simply on eyewitness testimony: we have video of yellow-hot molten metal cascading off the South Tower before it collapsed. We can see it for ourselves. That's why Alex Jones (or Watson or Avery) should have mentioned that video, since one can't deny it like one can another person's eyewitness testimony (since one can always play the game of "Well, they might be mistaken ...").

As well, you may be right that most people know little to nothing about black-body radiation (i.e., the various colors of light that matter gives off depending on what temperature it is), the melting points of various metals, and the temperatures that jet fuel, building materials and office equipment burn at, but then appealing to the lowest common denominator isn't logically relevant to proving our case. That video, alone and by itself, irrefragably *proves* that the South Tower had thermite-like incendiaries with the ability to easily slice through structural steel going off within it. Of which, there is no innocent explanation for what is recorded on that video.

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

My point is simply that

My point is simply that seeing molten metal first hand or on video means nothing to people who we would not reasonably consider "lowest common denominator" as you put it , but rather professional educated people who yes, may not have studied black-body radiation or melting points etc.This is a broad demographic of fencesitters that this bbc doc was targeting . In essence you are right , molten metal video evidence is the "smoking gun" in the court of Law, but not necessarily in the court of public opinion.

It's the Most Important Piece of Evidence

That video is the most important piece of evidence, since even by itself it's more than enough to irrefragably prove our case. As well, since it is a video, it's *scientific* evidence, since we don't have to rely on eyewitness testimony which the supporters of the U.S. government's story will claim is faulty.

That is to say, the only way to get around that it is thermite which is causing that yellow-hot metal to cascade off the South Tower before its collapse would be to posit that we are seeing a different form of extremely powerful incendiary with thermite-like temperatures at work in the video. Of which, even if true, would be every bit as much damning, since no such powerful indendiaries can be accounted for without involving a sinister intent to plant them there.

As far as appealing to the masses, the best way to handle this video is to show it to them while explaining why it irrefragably proves our case (i.e., explain to them what the color of the metal means as regards its temperature, that jet fuel burning in open air doesn't get even near hot enough to do that, and neither do burning jet parts [e.g., seats and plastics], building material, or office equipment). They may doubt us regarding such scientific points, but then provide them references where they can look it up themselves.

The point is, this video irrefutably proves our case. People out of ignorance may doubt us, but it's not rationally possible for them to refute us.

Regarding your comment on a court of law, even irrefragable proof such as this is quite unlikely to go over in a government court, since government courts are part of the government, and hence strongly tend to favor the government's interests. Evidence such as this would mean no less than the end of the U.S. government if it became widely accepted, which by extension would mean the dissolution of the U.S. government courts. Somehow I don't think the government judges are all that interested in losing their positions and paychecks.

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

A More Complete Video

Below is a more complete video of the yellow-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower right before its collapse:

"Shot from street level of South Tower collapsing," CameraPlanet, February 24, 2003 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863

I recommend people to save these important videos to their hard drive.

With videos on YouTube and Google Video (and indeed, any other website with streaming videos), one can download them if one can find the URL that the video is streaming from. Below is a free online streaming media downloader for these websites:

VideoDownloader http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

See also URL Snooper (which is free):

http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/urlsnooper/

Websites such as YouTube and Google Video use the FLV (Flash Video) file format, so one will need a media player that can play FLV files in order to play them from one's hard drive. The best media players are K-Lite Mega Codec Pack and MPlayer (both of which can play the FLV format).

K-Lite Mega Codec Pack (for Microsoft Windows):

http://www.codecguide.com
http://www.codecguide.com/download_mega.htm
http://www.codecs.ipbfree.com

When installing K-Lite Mega Codec Pack, when you get to the "Select Components" section, choose the Profile that says "Lots of stuff."

MPlayer + Frontend (for Microsoft Windows):

http://mpf.dzm.hu/download.php

From the above webpage, below is the file one should get (until a newer version of the full installation package is released, of course):

mplayer_setup_0-19-0_full.exe

MPlayer uses its own codecs, and so it can be installed along with K-Lite Mega Codec Pack (or the QuickTime or RealPlayer media players, for that matter) without causing any conflicts between codecs.

On some websites, the URL of the streaming media file will begin with mms or rtsp, etc., in which case one needs a downloader that can handle said transfer protocols. Such software for this task are Offline Explorer, HiDownload, StreamBox VCR Suite, etc. See the below website for more on that:

Streaming media recording:

http://all-streaming-media.com
http://all-streaming-media.com/forum/

The free Opera browser ( http://www.opera.com ) automatically saves all streaming files (while renaming them; but they remain bit-identical). Look in the following directory before clearing the browser's cache:

C:\Program Files\Opera\profile\cache4

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Thanks James - regards CD, Steven Jones and Alex Jones

I have yet to see a plausible explanation of the molten metal flows, the rate of fall of the buildings or a debunking of Jones’s conservation of momentum argument. Do you know or does anyone know if their are counter arguments on these issues from people in the "Global Collapse" camp. Besides off course the feeble attempt of NIST to say the following material was Aluminum and the flat denial of molten metal in the rubble piles. Are their any plausible arguments put forward by the official story proponents on these explosive issues?

Now regards the BBC Hit Piece

Even though I think this BBC documentary is obviously biased, thus preventing it from becoming propaganda that can take ground from the truth movement, it did seem to rattle Alex Jones! The way I could tell this was he took it all a bit personally and became a little to centered on his favorite ideas being misrepresented when he should have been talking more about the likes of Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan's arguments missing from the Conspiracy Files. Sorry to be critical of Alex he is a great man! Other wise it was a fine effort and much needed counter punch to the BBC who let the world down. I was even starting to have some self doubts watching it until they started playing the victims feelings card and forgot to mention the Jersey Girls and the terribly poor attempts of the Bush administration to investigate the events of September 11. That just made it so obvious to me what their purpose was.
It's a great shame how poor this documentary was as I was hope full of a few more examples of the vast cover up which has forced us all to do the job for these so-called intelligent journalists. So what if sometimes the Truth Movement gets a few things wrong now and then. Should we be dismissed if 50 things out of 5000 are baseless or shown wrong if the weight of evidence has the scales way in our favor? I am disgusted that the BBC has us looking like conspiracy predators taking advantage of people’s misery and confusion at a time of war. Shame, shame, shame BBC my respect for you is gone forever!!

As we all know out here in the real world it is the unknown that breeds doubt and concern of conspiracy not our longing for a F&^%ing “X” File story!!

Regards John

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!

Very good analysis!

I agree that the video of yellow to white-hot molten metal seen cascading off the South Tower is very important. I showed on a forum, inside a long and heated discussion about 9/11, and one of the officialists was honest enough to stop supporting the official theory after having watched it. Let me tell you that this rarely happens in such discussions. That is how powerful this video is.

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

Brilliant stuff, James

I can't get past how abrasive Alex Jones was! Blasting his admittedly encyclopedic knowledge and never letting Dylan do any follow up questions. So off topic in to minutia it was maddening! He could have pressed some points and just let them go. I think AJ's manner is nearly a detriment to the cause. You make some great points.
I hope I hear more of your thoughts.

We can do it! Remember, hope is the most important information we can convey! Let them be the fearmongers, we're the hopemongers!

Brilliant stuff, James

I can't get past how abrasive Alex Jones was! Blasting his admittedly encyclopedic knowledge and never letting Dylan do any follow up questions. So off topic in to minutia it was maddening! He could have pressed some points and just let them go. I think AJ's manner is nearly a detriment to the cause. You make some great points.
I hope I hear more of your thoughts.

We can do it! Remember, hope is the most important information we can convey! Let them be the fearmongers, we're the hopemongers!

dont discuss......

Does the .ogg file play on a Mac

Would like to know before I invest the bandwidth. (Theirs and mine.)

Thanks.

It should work

as it's a pretty common format. What software do you use to play audio? If it doesn't work, try Video Lan Client which plays just about anything.

I use QuickTime, iTunes or play audio in the web browser...

Also a big fan of files that are set to progressively download so that I can watch and/or listen as the file downloads.

I have QuickTime professional that lets you save audio and video to the hard drive from a web browser.

Thanks bruce1337 your suggestion. I remember having to download that a while ago.

Truth01

Audio of Guy Smith interview on Alex Jones Show

30.66MB mp3 file

http://www.zshare.net/audio/guysmith-interview-mp3.html

This only contains a bit of the pre-interview and the interview itself.

We should never accept the term 'conspiracy theorist' UNLESS the other side is being tagged with it also.

The "but nobody came forward" argument is old. It assumes that there cannot be a conspiracy because nobody came forward. Following that reasoning, a successful conspiracy becomes an impossibility because somebody always eventually comes forward.

I love it when Guy Smith, when confronted with the molten steel, retorts with "we can debate about these issues endlessly but I saw no evidence of an inside job". HAHAHA!! Give me a break. What is there to debate? MOLTEN STEEL! That's it. Mega Super Dooper Smoking Gun!

Alex did well to cites Operation Northwoords, Mossadeq, Gulf of Tonkin, Tuskigee, Manhattan project, Vietnam 5K pre-war deaths etc... but they fall on Guy's deaf ears. Guys: "These are interesting points, but they are not related". He even admits governments carry out false flag ops but sees no reason to question 9/11, even with the mountain of evidence presented.

Finally, the BBC seems to have spent some serious money to create this doc and Guy Smith spend some serious time researching 9/11. During the interview, it seems that Guy Smith is completely unaware (at least pretends to be) of most of the well-known smoking guns presented to him by Alex/Dylan/Watson.

Oh and the old "we didn't have time to cover all issues" argument makes me puke. They had enough time for the emotional anti-9//1Truth spin didn't they? Or the XFiles director's mindless diatribe didn't they? But no time for molten-steel??! Or WTC7 evacuations and pull-it?

It literally made my stomach turn to listen to Guy Smith. He sounds like a scripted robot repeating his sycophant punch-line: "I couldn't see any evidence of a inside job" to each bit of evidence proving the contrary. I mean how can these people call themselves journalists!?

And his feigned, yet loaded comments like "It's great that we are discussing these ‘conspiracy theories’ " and "watch my doc and make up your own mind". Ok so why include the completely ridiculous theories like the forewarning of 4000 jews, the C-130 story or the family guilt material. Make up your own mind??! More like "Watch my disinformation propaganda piece and let me mould your mind"...

It's just sick. But really, what else could we expect. I mean would the BBC really put out a balanced 9/11 doc. If it did, it would signal the end of the US administration, and eventually the UK government itself. At least now with have clear confirmation of the BBC’s journalistic value.

No, change won't come from the top, it will come from the bottom, as it always has.

A debunking video of this show will be candy to the eyes though. Such a blatant Orwellian piece will go down in history. Guy Smith, you can be proud of yourself. Your position in the annals of the Ministry of Truth is truly assured.

Kudos to Watson who came across very convincingly as well as composed.

Thanks for the mp3

Listening now.

just listened to it. pretty

just listened to it. pretty obvious why they would only use 4 minutes of Alex Jones in the special. he completely wiped the floor with this shill.

How did Watson do? I must

How did Watson do? I must say I admire the dogged and consistently quality work he has done for this movement . He is an articulate and charismatic spokesman and would seem to be the perfect foil to these pathetic british stoneage -shills like Guy (Winston) Smith.

Paul is amazing. His

Paul is amazing. His reporting demeanor is top notch and his facts are always 100% dead on.
His brother isn't too shabby himself.
Together, with Alex, they are a great team.

In the end it will be Paul

In the end it will be Brits like Paul and Andrew that will be remembered and lauded for their efforts in the early Truth Movement. Stone-Age shills like Guy (winston)Smith can only hope that we will forget about them when the tide finally , irrevocably , turns.

he did a great job. i agree

he did a great job. i agree with you and have said often that Watson is one of the single most underrated researchers/journalists around. he had this guy on the ropes as much as Alex did in his own way.

They could have simply

recorded a loop of "Oh, this is all very fascinating, but I haven't seen any evidence" and always turned it up when it was Guy's turn to speak. Seriously, he apparently hasn't seen evidence for molten metal, for explosions, for the CD of WTC7, for insider trading, for a coverup, for the families asking the same tough questions, etc...

I for one haven't seen evidence that he's a journalist, and I HAVE been looking. Oh, and he announced they would do an entire piece on the ISI connection to which Alex responded he'd better get another bucket of white paint - certainly interesting...

Operation Northwoods links to Bush

Operation Northwoods was discarded by Kennedy. The author, General Lemnitzer was sent to Europe and then retired. During the Ford Administration, when Cheney was Chief of Staff and Rumsfeld was Defense Sec, Lemnitzer was called back to the White House as a special adviser to the President. That puts Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the author of Operation Northwoods in the same room.

During that time, Bush Sr. wa appointed head of the CIA.

Guy Smith should be informed.

An mp3 of the interview is

An mp3 of the interview is now also available at http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/190207smith.mp3.

I was listening to this live

I was listening to this live earlier on and this was one of the most fantastic radio broadcasts I have honestly ever heard. Apart from Alex being on top form and Dylan and Paul Watson kicking copious amounts of ass also, AJ said some really great thought provoking things in the hours before the clock cleaning of that cockroach kicked off. Definitely worth checking the whole thing!

Today's column of George Monbiot in The Guardian

In a way, he's telling the truth

He's opening with:

"9/11 fantasists pose a mortal danger to popular oppositional campaigns

These conspiracy idiots are a boon for Bush and Blair as they destroy the movements some of us have spent years building."

And if by "popular oppositional campaigns" and "movements some of us have spent years building" he means phoney, impotent, misdirected pseudo-opposition represented by Kos & Co, then he's damn right!

Conspiracy à Gogo

As the leading libertarian and anarcho-capitalist theorist Prof. Murray N. Rothbard wrote concerning the dreaded so-called "conspiracy theories":

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It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any "conspiracy theory of history"; for a search for "conspiracies" means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds. If, however, any tyranny imposed by the State, or venality, or aggressive war, was caused not by the State rulers but by mysterious and arcane "social forces," or by the imperfect state of the world or, if in some way, everyone was responsible ("We Are All Murderers," proclaims one slogan), then there is no point to the people becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, an attack on "conspiracy theories" means that the subjects will become more gullible in believing the "general welfare" reasons that are always put forth by the State for engaging in any of its despotic actions. A "conspiracy theory" can unsettle the system by causing the public to doubt the State's ideological propaganda.
""

From the article "The Anatomy of the State," Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Summer 1965), pp. 1-24. Reprinted in a collection of some of Rothbard's articles, Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays (Washington, D.C.: Libertarian Review Press, 1974):

http://www.mises.org/easaran/chap3.asp

Along the lines of the state's shibboleths on "conspiracy theories," Rothbard's below article is humorous:

"Sudden Deaths in Office," Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, first published in The Rothbard-Rockwell Report (August 1991) as "Exhume, Exhume, Or, Who Put the Arsenic in Rough and Ready's Cherries?":

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard116.html

Below is a biography of Prof. Murray N. Rothbard:

"Murray N. Rothbard (1926-1995)," David Gordon, Ludwig von Mises Institute:

http://www.mises.org/content/mnr.asp

In addition to Prof. Rothbard's above "Anatomy of the State," below are some excellent articles concerning the nature of government, of liberty, and the free-market production of defense:

"Defense Services on the Free Market," Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, Chapter 1 from Power and Market: Government and the Economy (Kansas City, Kansas: Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc., 1977; originally published 1970):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/marketdefense.html

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/power&market.pdf

"The Private Production of Defense," Prof. Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Journal of Libertarian Studies, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Winter 1998-1999), pp. 27-52:

http://www.mises.net/journals/jls/14_1/14_1_2.pdf

http://www.mises.org/journals/scholar/Hoppe.pdf

"Fallacies of the Public Goods Theory and the Production of Security," Prof. Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Journal of Libertarian Studies, Vol. 9, No. 1 (Winter 1989), pp. 27-46:

http://www.mises.net/journals/jls/9_1/9_1_2.pdf

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Freudian slip at 16:10 or so? Alex and co did a great job!

"This was a black ops...ah...ah...if what you say is true..."

Makes you wonder what Guy really thinks...

Guy

Guy knows also it was an inside job,of course he does.This make him even more of a sad bastard.They gave more air time to the dick head that produced the x files than anyone else,this speaks volumes about the absolute piss poor content of the "documentary" than anything else.

waste of space

Irritatingly ironic that Guy Smith avoids debating all night, by saying things like.. we could debate all night.

It becomes obvious pretty quickly that he has NO intention of debating ANYTHING.

And that creates more disturbing questions for the victims and families of the victims.

But this guy isn't going to stop this obfuscation, no matter how much hurt and anger he causes them, anytime soon.

Ryan

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www.fascistamerica.net

George Monbiot Engages in

George Monbiot Engages in same Orwellian Doublespeak as Do the NEOCONS.

/11 fantasists pose a mortal danger to popular oppositional campaigns

These conspiracy idiots are a boon for Bush and Blair as they destroy the
movements some of us have spent years building

George Monbiot
Tuesday February 20, 2007
The Guardian

'You did this hit piece because your corporate masters instructed you to.
You are a controlled asset of the new world order ... bought and paid for."
"Everyone has some skeleton in the cupboard. How else would MI5 and special
branch recruit agents?" "Shill, traitor, sleeper", "leftwing gatekeeper",
"accessory after the fact", "political whore of the biggest conspiracy of
them all".

These are a few of the measured responses to my article, a fortnight ago,
about the film Loose Change, which maintains that the United States
government destroyed the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Having spent
years building up my leftwing credibility on behalf of my paymasters in MI5,
I've blown it. I overplayed my hand, and have been exposed, like Bush and
Cheney, by a bunch of kids with laptops. My handlers are furious.

I believe that George Bush is surrounded by some of the most scheming,
devious, ruthless men to have found their way into government since the days
of the Borgias. I believe that they were criminally negligent in failing to
respond to intelligence about a potential attack by al-Qaida, and that they
have sought to disguise their incompetence by classifying crucial documents.

I believe, too, that the Bush government seized the opportunity provided by
the attacks to pursue a longstanding plan to invade Iraq and reshape the
Middle East, knowing full well that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with
9/11. Bush deliberately misled the American people about the links between
9/11 and Iraq and about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. He is
responsible for the murder of many tens of thousands of Iraqis.

But none of this is sufficient. To qualify as a true opponent of the Bush
regime, you must also now believe that it is capable of magic. It could
blast the Pentagon with a cruise missile while persuading hundreds of
onlookers that they saw a plane. It could wire every floor of the twin
towers with explosives without attracting attention and prime the charges
(though planes had ploughed through the middle of the sequence) to drop each
tower in a perfectly timed collapse. It could make Flight 93 disappear into
thin air, and somehow ensure that the relatives of the passengers
collaborated with the deception. It could recruit tens of thousands of
conspirators to participate in these great crimes and induce them all to
have kept their mouths shut, for ever.

In other words, you must believe that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their pals
are all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful, despite the fact that they
were incapable of faking either weapons of mass destruction or any evidence
at Ground Zero that Saddam Hussein was responsible. You must believe that
the impression of cackhandedness and incompetence they have managed to
project since taking office is a front. Otherwise you are a traitor and a
spy.

Why do I bother with these morons? Because they are destroying the movements
some of us have spent a long time trying to build. Those of us who believe
that the crucial global issues - climate change, the Iraq war, nuclear
proliferation, inequality - are insufficiently debated in parliament or
congress, that corporate power stands too heavily on democracy, that war
criminals, cheats and liars are not being held to account, have invested our
efforts in movements outside the mainstream political process. These, we are
now discovering, are peculiarly susceptible to this epidemic of gibberish.

The obvious corollorary to the belief that the Bush administration is
all-powerful is that the rest of us are completely powerless. In fact it
seems to me that the purpose of the "9/11 truth movement" is to be
powerless. The omnipotence of the Bush regime is the coward's fantasy, an
excuse for inaction used by those who don't have the stomach to engage in
real political fights.

Let me give you an example. The column I wrote about Loose Change two weeks
ago generated 777 posts on the Guardian Comment is Free website, which is
almost a record. Most of them were furious. The response from a producer of
the film, published last week, attracted 467. On the same day the Guardian
published my article about a genuine, demonstrable conspiracy: a spy network
feeding confidential information from an arms control campaign to Britain's
biggest weapons manufacturer, BAE Systems. It drew 60 responses. The members
of the 9/11 cult weren't interested. If they had been, they might have had
to do something. The great virtue of a fake conspiracy is that it calls on
you to do nothing.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are a displacement activity. A displacement
activity is something you do because you feel incapable of doing what you
ought to do. A squirrel sees a larger squirrel stealing its horde of nuts.
Instead of attacking its rival, it sinks its teeth into a tree and starts
ripping it to pieces. Faced with the mountainous challenge of the real
issues we must confront, the chickens in the "truth" movement focus instead
on a fairytale, knowing that nothing they do or say will count, knowing that
because the perpetrators don't exist, they can't fight back. They
demonstrate their courage by repeatedly bayoneting a scarecrow.

Many of those who posted responses on Comment is Free contend that Loose
Change (which was neatly demolished in the BBC's film The Conspiracy Files
on Sunday night) is a poor representation of the conspiracists' case. They
urge us instead to visit websites like 911truth.org, physics911.net and
911scholars. org, and to read articles by the theology professor David Ray
Griffin and the physicist Steven E Jones.

Concerned that I might have missed something, I have now done all those
things, and have come across exactly the same concatenation of ill-attested
nonsense as I saw in Loose Change. In all these cases you will find wild
supposition raised to the status of incontrovertible fact, rumour and
confusion transformed into evidence, selective editing, the citation of fake
experts, the dismissal of real ones. Doubtless I will now be told that these
are not the true believers: I will need to dive into another vat of tripe to
get to the heart of the conspiracy.

The 9/11 truthers remind me of nothing so much as the climate change
deniers, cherry-picking their evidence, seizing any excuse for ignoring the
arguments of their opponents. Witness the respondents to my Loose Change
column who maintain that the magazine Popular Mechanics, which has ripped
the demolition theories apart, is a government front. They know this because
one of its editors, Benjamin Chertoff, is the brother/nephew/ first cousin of
the US homeland security secretary Michael Chertoff. (They are, as far as
Benjamin can discover, unrelated, but what does he know?)

Like the millenarian fantasies which helped to destroy the Levellers as a
political force in the mid-17th century, this crazy distraction presents a
mortal danger to popular oppositional movements. If I were Bush or Blair,
nothing would please me more than to see my opponents making idiots of
themselves, while devoting their lives to chasing a phantom. But as a
controlled asset of the new world order, I would say that, wouldn't I? It's
all part of the plot.

Monbiot.com

www.northtexansfor911truth.com

Yes Monbiot Sucks, but his response to TRUTH..

is worthy of study.

I don't understand why the post is hidden. 911blogger ran a story by Monbiot, the ignorant hit piece. And then another debunking his crap. I posted his response to being proved a lying gatekeeping shill so that everyone could see the "psychology" used. It is worthy of study. I preceded the article with a statement about his Orwellian Doublespeak. The article was voted down then hidden.

www.northtexansfor911truth.com

Oh, how I love the stench of fear in the morning!

Smells like...victory.

'I believe that George Bush is surrounded by some of the most scheming,
devious, ruthless men to have found their way into government since the days
of the Borgias.'

Oh, I'll bet you do!

'I believe that they were criminally negligent in failing to
respond to intelligence about a potential attack by al-Qaida, and that they
have sought to disguise their incompetence by classifying crucial documents.'

Here we go!--Whaaaaat a pussy !! (predictably so)......

'Incompetence'? What about all their 'ruthless[ness] which you just referred to?!

'I believe, too, that the Bush government seized the opportunity provided by
the attacks to pursue a longstanding plan to invade Iraq and reshape the
Middle East, '

By Jove, you're really going out on a limb now, ol' boy! But of course, such 'ruthless' people would never take care to create a pretext to pursue such a longstanding plan; no, the truly ruthless twiddle their thumbs negligently, their longstanding plans indefinitely on hold, until someone else, acting all on their own, is thoughtful enough to 'provide' them with the opportunity.

'I believe....Bush deliberately misled the American people about the links between
9/11 and Iraq and about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. He is
responsible for the murder of many tens of thousands of Iraqis. But none of this is sufficient.'

Yes, that's right--it's NOT sufficient. Because none of this is going to change so long as the official account of 9/11--which wankers like Monbiot continue to promote--holds sway.

'To qualify as a true opponent of the Bush
regime, you must also now believe that it is capable of magic.'

Mmmmm...and nothing magical at all about fire resulting in the symmetrical collapse of three steel-framed high-rise buildings .

'Why do I bother with these morons? Because they are destroying the movements
some of us have spent a long time trying to build....the crucial global issues - climate change, the Iraq war, nuclear
proliferation, inequality -that corporate power stands too heavily on democracy, that war
criminals, cheats and liars are not being held to account,'

Hey Monbiot--if you want a clue as to what has truly thrown a wrench into these and other movements, look up:
9/11
7/7
terrorism, false-flag
Global War on Terror

'The obvious corollorary to the belief that the Bush administration is
all-powerful is that the rest of us are completely powerless. In fact it
seems to me that the purpose of the "9/11 truth movement" is to be
powerless. The omnipotence of the Bush regime is the coward's fantasy, an
excuse for inaction used by those who don't have the stomach to engage in
real political fights.'

My god--he's hitting new depths of crapola! If I follow correctly, it takes a stronger stomach to kowtow to the dogmas of the powers that be than it does to challenge them-- Does he actually believe the garbage he's peddling?!

I can only hope that his latest screed only arouses the curiosity of still more readers, if only to find out what he's so steamed up about.

Time for lots of letters to the BBC....

Let them know what you think. I never knew they were the ones that produced the famous Nova special, How the Towers fell.....that's what got me started.