Open Thread - Vermont Vote Reminder

Open thread, and a reminder that tomorrow people in Vermont will be voting yes or no on this ballot question;

"Shall Vermont's Congressional Delegation be advised to demand a new, thorough, and truly independent forensic investigation that fully addresses the many questions surrounding the tragic events of September 11, 2001?"

Get involved.

Are reps suck

I am from Vt snd Peter Whelch (DRep) Bernard Sanders(ISen) and Patrick Lehay(DSen) Already said on the record they will not be doing anything no matter what the people of burlington say but iam very proud of the people of burlington for facing the fact that are Government is lying to them.

Call them or e mail them

Sanders, Bernard- (I - VT) Class I
(202) 224-5141
Web Form:

Leahy, Patrick J.- (D - VT) Class III
(202) 224-4242

Vermont-At Large, Democrat Peter Whelch
1404 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515-4501
Phone: (202) 225-4115

Call them or E mail them

and thats the sad thing, is

and thats the sad thing, is that Leahy and Sanders are 2 of the better reps in congress and they still suck for the most part(though Leahy was percieved to be enough of a threat to be anthraxed). all the genuinely good ones are usually either killed(Wellstone) or smeared(Mckinney).

Lots of letters people.....

flood them with mail, it's about all we can do it seems.

the scumbags can barely hide it......

Aide: Terrorist Act Will Make Giuliani President

Monday, March 5, 2007

Rudy Giuliani told Larry King last month that he was running for president before setting off on a series of carefully staged campaign events around the country to prove the point. Just showing that he meant it gave Giuliani a serious bump in the polls and worried his rivals. After a slow start, Giuliani's candidacy has gained ground in recent weeks. In the new Newsweek Poll, Giuliani leads Sen. John McCain by 25 points (59 to 34 percent) as the choice of registered Republicans and voters leaning Republican for the party's nomination, while former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney trails both men by more than 30 points.

"I have thought for the longest time that [Giuliani] had zero chance," an aide to another Republican candidate who asked for anonymity talking up the chances of his boss's rival, tells Newsweek. "But he's got real momentum. And if there's a terrorist attack between now and the election, he could be the next president of the United States."

And this is why...

Ghouliani must be hammered on 9/11.


And work even more to promote Ron Paul, too.

(Yep, I've got a fetish for liberty.)

The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001


9:45 AM - 10:30 AM Monterey Park, CA Sheriff HDQ, 4700 Ramona Blvd, 91754

watch the news

And no, I don't have anything to post. I cannot film myself. There are no Truthers in LA who will answer the call, with the exception of Zan, and he was busy.

The Sheriff HDQ where Giuliani was speking is apparently private property. I had to make a quick decision to either try to mingle with the press, or take out my sign and stand there with it, which I did (on the property). This was before the press conference actually started, and Rudy had not come out yet. I was asked to leave by officials, but not before I was swarmed by the press. From that point, the Sheriff's let me alone while I spoke for nearly five minutes. I was talking pretty fast, and yes, I was nervous, but I think my points on Giuliani were pretty solid. I appealed to the press to ask Giuliani the hard questions. How did he know the towers were coming down? Who told him? Why weren't the cops and firefighters warned? I mentioned the BBC and CNN reporting of Bldg. 7's fall 20 mins. before it actually did. Who tipped them off? The no-bid contracts on the emergency radios that didn't work, the air that wasn't safe to breathe, Willie Rodriguez. Silverstein's comment "to pull it". I repeated my appeal to the press to ask the hard questions.

One Sheriff was particularly patient with me; told me that security was pretty tight, and I talked to him for a bit, before I went back to my vehicle and left. He even asked me for the info card I have with firefighter quotes on it. Seven reporters also took the cards from me. I guess if I'd left my sign in the vehicle, I might have been able to interrupt the press conference. I did what I did. Two of us might have come up with another strategy. Oh God, I hope they use the good stuff (if at all). Or at least, I hope the reporters will start asking the questions themselves.

Sounds like a fantastic

Sounds like a fantastic day's work, Randy, and a good testament for going to Plan B when attempting to ask questions directly -- I salute your ingenuity!

You injected some truth into both media and law enforcement in one swell foop. Interestingly, it sounds as though they were more sympathetic to your message because you were ejected.  Thank goodness you were prepared with just the right printed materials.

Thanks so much for sharing -- we can all learn a lot from this.

Sheriffs were great

One, then two, then three Sheriffs were deciding how to handle me, and that got the attention of a couple cameramen who came over. When about fifteen reporters started over, the boys totally backed off and let me have my moment. No one even touched me. But the cool cop kept track of me until I left. May have got my plate # and I told a couple reporters my name and phone # and said I was a 9/11 Truth activist. I see my typo above. Can't seem to edit that one. SPEAKING


You were the individual who let me know when he came Sacramento too, right? You're doing a terrific job.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month


ZachM, I noticed you took the info I provided and got right on it! Thank you too.

Well done, Randy!

What can be done to help the LA area get several truth groups going down there?

San Diego seems to have a very active group going.

With the massive population in the greater LA area there must be thousands of Truthers who need to get connected. I'm in NorCal and am very interested in helping in any way possible.

Please email me at so we can work on this. I'm also planning on making a road trip down to SoCal later in the year to work on connecting all the CA groups and better co-ordinate our efforts.

I hope that you and yours are well.

Keep up the great work!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Spectacular , good work

Solid info you laid on them too. I'm sure not everyone is sympathetic to his cynical bid for presidency.

Great Work Randy.

I'm nervous just thinking about you talking in that environment with so many police and reporters. Way to stay strong through it though. What a story. This is the exact thing we need to do throughout the 2008 campaign etc. whenever these guys make public appearances. Damn Damn Damn. good work on getting that schedule out too. This made my day. Keep it up.

We should have this posted under "successful activism" and should have a section on the site where we monitor and post the schedules of people like Guiliani and others. Way to get the Press. Hopefully someone can post the news coverage if it happens. Peace.

dz, got a spot for candidate schedules?

What think? Orangutan, myself and others would like to see a place to post candidate's schedules. The campaigns will be going on for nearly the next two years. LeftWright, I will email you. There is an LA group that I would like to see get motivated for this type of action. Last Oct. 5 was a shining moment when LA, San Diego and even San Pedro all turned out in Pershing Square. Haven't seen anything like it since. There is also ArtV in Vetura. So Cal Truthers, I would like to see you March 12, 7 PM GHW Bush demo at Music Center, and please join us Sat. March 17, Hollywood & Vine, 12 noon, fourth anniversary of the Iraq war.

I think it's crucial to keep increasing our base of truthers at

all times.

We need to send mass emails to journalists, professors, & college students, federal, state & local politicians, etc. (If you don't want to use your own email account to do this, you can set up a somewhat anonymous account at Yahoo or Gmail.)

Truth flyers are also good, and you need not hand them directly to people if you don't want to. You can leave them on peoples' doorways, on car windows, or tape them to poles, etc.

Every little bit helps, IMO.

Show "listening to alex" by 911truthfamily
Show "he is defeatist----they" by 911truthfamily

Rare footage of building 7

the best their attempt at debunking 7 will ever attain , a disingenous farce based on hearsay, halftruths and outright lies. Watch when he's talking about "bent trusses" on one of the beams. You can see another beam at an angle with the telltale angled cut;)



That's funny how he talks about no water and no water pressure being available to fight WTC7 fires, yet at the 2 minute mark (counting down) there is a fire hose flying with water about 80 feet in the air. Give me a break man. The building was demolished and no steel core beams were left standing. Geez. The goverment must know their goose is cooked.

Brilliant Notice Orangutan!

I just scanned through the comments and noticed that someone has been selectively trolling through and deleting those that contradict the OCT. Also people are obfuscating and lying about melting points etc. It reeks of desperation.

obfuscating and lying.

Then there's the part where he says
"the twin towers were built for having the most rentable floor space. A stress? system was used supported by the outside walls holding up the trusses on all the floors. When exposed to fire trusses collapse. Blah blah blah."
Well that explains every thing. The 47 4" thick core columns never did exist. (hope i don't sound too sarcastic) According to this genius' explanation the twin towers were essentially hollow.

sounds like a broken record

he forgot to mention the minor detail about those mysterious bombs going off throughout the building. he could also use a cup of coffee - sounds like he's in a trance. other than that, it was awesome.

Zombie script

Choice quote ; "the building was fully 'involved' with fire".
I get tthe feeling he was coached to say ' fire ' in his monologue at least 300 times. the fact is that a pyroclastic flow of smoke will breifly cling to the surfaces around it , in this case building fronts , often giving the appearance of heavy smoke coming from the south side. I do not rule out the possibility of arson or limited debris -fires either , but regardless , "fire" did not "cause" that collapse .

Where has this footage been?

Very suspicious when footage like this just turns up after 5 and a half years... So yeah, for a building that "burned like a giant torch" there sure seem to be very few fires visible, which is why the dude focuses on the same one like five times. But boy did it SMOKE! Could some of that smoke be aluminum oxide from thermite reactions?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


You make a very good point.

Thermite reactions are hard to hide and may have contributed to what smoke DID eminate from 7, I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere out there there is video of "sparks" pouring out of 7, just as we similar evidence on 1&2. Can anyone identify what could have caused that green flamed explosion that blew a window out? Also is it being claimed that no one was in the building at the time of this footage?

sparks pouring out

Because the building 7 core columns were far from the walls I would think we wouldn't see anything pour out. On the south tower it may have been that some thermite got dislodged from somewhere on the core and landed at the corner of the building by accident. This could be why the building top started tipping at which point they had to bring it down. Pure speculation, but it would seem that the idea was to use thermite on the inner columns to sever them and leave the perimeter columns to buckle under the weight.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


further speculation

Even if this were the case wouldn't there still be a pool of molten metal under the implosion? Anyone ever hear any connection of molten metal to building 7?Maybe the nasa thermal imaging shows it. In fact i don't know that I've ever seen footage of the clean-up of 7. My point is this video is probably out there, we just have to get to it before the jackals do.

I guess that solves that then, fires Do implode buildings

according to the commentors on this youtube video. And if that's good enough for Richard Porter, it's good enough for the likes of me :)
Why is it taking NIST so long to come to the same foregone conclusion I wonder?Has John Gross gone into hiding yet , any one get him that NASA data yet?

Photo Suggests Building 7 Fires Staged?

Editor of and TV visual effects specialist Michael Rivero saw the Building 7 photo we posted in our earlier article and had some interesting comments about the small fires seen in the image.

I am looking at the photo of the WTC-7 fired Paul uses in this article and alarm bells are going off. As long-time readers know my "day job" is in film and TV visual effects, and frankly those fires look like the fires we intentionally set up to make a building LOOK like it is on fire.
Now, those are real fires, and stuff is really burning, but those fires are all up against the windows. There does not appear to be any fire deeper inside the building. A real fire would have blown through the tunnels from the towers, gone up the elevator shafts, and spread out from the core. The more I look at THESE fires in the photo I get the sense they were deliberately set to create a reason for the building to come down.

I know there is no way to prove that, of course. But that is what they look like to me. It does not make sense that fire supposedly blown up through the elevator shafts would just plant itself in a few offices up against the glass and leave the rest of the floors uninvolved.

The photograph (click for slightly bigger enlargement) was taken at around 3PM on 9/11, approximately 2 hours 20 minutes before the collapse of WTC 7 (or around 1 hour 54 minutes if you're the BBC).

RELATED: The Fires in Building 7

Thank you Chris

I also felt intuitevely that there was something stagey about the whole "inferno". The photo-shopped flicker of the supposed damage to the base reminds me of nothing more than the photo sequence "showing" flight 77 hitting the pentagon.

Those fires in the BBC video didn't look that bad.

Maybe it was because they were on the other side of Jane Standley. Those fires in the you tube video look more of a chemical accelerent type.

The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

Can't wait to see the numbers on that ballot question

Will the result be known tomorrow evening?

Even though "Peter Whelch (DRep) Bernard Sanders(ISen) and Patrick Lehay(DSen) Already said on the record they will not be doing anything no matter what the people of burlington say", a very high percentage for a new, thorough, and truly independent forensic investigation will be very embarrassing to them not to do anything. It would be good too to shove it in the face of media. And also, to get a momentum for similar procedure elsewhere.

Sibel Edmonds is BACK.

Get this one folks ... another Bush scandal is breaking:

Two FBI Whistleblowers Confirm Illegal Wiretapping of Govt Officials, Support Sibel Edmonds Claims
by lukery
Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:22:33 AM PST

Sibel Edmonds has got her hands on an explosive official report from an FBI agent which demonstrates that the US Government was illegally spying on "high-profile U.S. public officials"

They were illegally using the rubber-stamping FISA court to do it (you know, FISA, the court they had to ignore in the illegal NSA wire-tapping case). FISA is supposed to be for "Foreign" persons only - not for domestic surveillance.

But here's the thing: Sibel worked for this particular agent when she was at the FBI - so this illegal spying uncovered all of the criminal activity that Sibel knows about "large-scale drug deals and of selling classified military technologies to the highest bidder" - and to top it off, no action has been taken, no arrests, no idictments, and they buried the enitre case by gagging Sibel, and congress - by claiming 'national security.'

The headline from Sibel's press release is:

Two FBI Whistleblowers Confirm Illegal Wiretapping of Government Officials and Misuse of FISA

State Secrets Privilege Was Used to Cover Up Corruption and Silence Whistleblowers

Bush's Director for U.S. Attorneys Mysteriously Resigns

Bush's Director for U.S. Attorneys Mysteriously Resigns
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2007-03-05 23:04. Media


The "unprecedented" U.S. Attorney firing scandal keeps getting weirder. It was revealed today that Michael Battle, the director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, will resign on March 16.

Battle personally informed the fired attorneys of their removal, but the Department of Justice insists he was not involved in the actual decision making process (he allegedly told them the order had come from 'on high'"). A spokesperson also said the timing is merely a coincidence and "is not connected to the U.S. attorney controversy whatsoever."

In fact, the DoJ now claims he had informed them of his resignation as long ago as last summer, which would have been just a year since he began working in June 2005.

Congressional Democrats are understandably skeptical. Sen. Charles Schumer wondered whether Battle's resignation was merely "another casualty of the U.S. attorney's imbroglio."

"The Administration's explanation of Mr. Battle's apparent resignation is as murky as everything else they have told us about this case," said Rep. Linda Sanchez. "I look forward to hearing the testimony of the fired federal prosecutors so we can get closer to the truth of what happened."

Former senator to speak at Bradley University

Peoria (IL) Journal Star

State & Local Section page B3

Saturday, February 24, 2007

PEORIA - Former senator and U.S. presidential candidate George McGovern will share his ideas for an exit strategy from Iraq at Bradley University next month.

McGovern will speak at 7:30 p.m. March 8 in the Michel Student Center Ballroom. The event is free and open to the public.

He published a book last October on this topic. Called "Out of Iraq," it details a plan for a troop withdrawal from Iraq.

McGovern was the Democratic Party's nominee for president in 1972, losing to Nixon. He served in the House of Representatives from 1957 to 1961 and in the Senate for eighteen years.

He was the president of the Middle East Policy Council in Washington, D.C., for six years and then served as ambassador to the U.N. Agencies on Food and Agriculture in Rome under President Clinton.

The presentation is sponsored by the Bradley University Intellectual and Cultural Activities Committee.

Ignorance is NOT Bliss