Trey Parker and Matt Stone go on the record regarding their 9-11 truth South Park episode.

Penn Jillette converses with Trey Parker and Matt Stone on his Free FM radio show. Pen, who has already denounced the 9-11 truth movement on his Showtime series Bullshit!, talks about the 9-11 "conspiracy nuts" and the problems they cause. These comments result in a straight answer from the creators of South Park about their feelings on 9-11 and the now famous 9-11 parody episode. They also mention the t-shirt logo and their reasons for using it in the episode: "We want people to go see how goofy and dumb these people are..." They also concede the truth movement only seems to be growing and that it can't be stopped. I have no idea if this is their first public response to the episode; however, it is interesting to know the official stance on the subject from the kings of pop culture satire. The talk beings 0:11:45 into the show. This can be streamed from: or downloaded here:

I guess it was simply coincidence that they chose to plug - one of the very few legitimate 9-11 resources. If they had it to do over again, I would assume they would opt for another source. I also think it safe to say they never researched the site before using it in their show... shame.

I like South Park, but if

I like South Park, but if these guys are actually being real there then screw them.

they are being real. Trey

they are being real. Trey and Matt are world class hypocrites who regularly bash "liberals" for preaching about politics but yet they use their little soapbox every week to make naive conservative political points. couple of fucking morons, i always thought so. i still think much of South Park is funny but i cringe every time they let Stan or Kyle go on their little naive conservative rants at the end of some episodes.

They'reJust Stupid

Here's the original clip from Penn & Teller, if you wanna get really mad:


its unfortunate when intelligent people come to conclusions before doing any real research on a subject. =( I can't blame South Park but I expect more from Penn.

no surprise...

South Park was meant to be the writing on the wall. A certain form of 9/11 skepticism can be safely assimilated, as a harmless subculture within the "American mosaic." The skeptics the show depicts are clearly large in number, earnest, well-meaning people -- but also socially inept, not too bright and highly ineffective. I thought it was both funny and sad that so many "truthers" celebrated this episode as an awesome breakthrough. I remember one well-known figure posting about how it was a subversive move by the South Park fellows, their way of promoting the movement.

The one lucky thing about the SP attack was indeed the use of for the t-shirt. This illustrates the excellent choice of that URL many moons ago by Kyle Hence (the original registrant) and the wisdom, when the group was first chartered in 2004, of Emanuel Sferios's insistence that the URL should be the group name (so that the media end up promoting the URL even when they attack the group).

So let people go to and see how crazy the skeptics are!

"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."

South Park

Let's help the fans of South Park get to the truth...

very very sad

People should take a minute to consider just how awful what these people are doing is. They are persecuting people for asking questions. They are helping to protect murderers. They are helping to slaughter more innocent people.

Forget the Nazis--they're yesteryear's evildoers. Today we have Penn, Trey, and Matt--modern day brownshirts.

It is just sickening, and if any of them think they're going to live this down....


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or better yet...

Why don't we follow the advice of shills who tell us to be patient, be nice, politely ask not to be murdered, etc. And by no means suspect anyone of anything until they confess! Especially if they have ties to Israel like Silverstein and the dancing Israelis. Wouldn't that be more or less your style, MG?


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floormat and lunchtray

do not concern me in the slightest. if you ask me why they covered 9/11 truth it was probably to get a ratings boost. everyone knows 911T is the hot commodity right now, and the less scrupulous among us are bound to try to squeeze a buck out of it. or hey, maybe they really are one of the thousands of people who realizing the truth prefer to fight for it to remain unknown. time will tell all.

or here's a better one: they are helping to ease people into it by using reverse psychology. all will be revealed once they have the desired effect on people--to get them thinking about the issues with a fairly vanilla introduction to the truth.

which one of those dudes was in michael moore's columbine movie? was mike selling them some fake left street cred?


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I see you have a 'fan', Verdadero Verdadero, & they're a member of the thought police as well. Lucky you.

This is Bad News

For Trey and Matt, but not for us. Do not forget that the Truth is growing.

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As expected

When I found out Penn was a government bootlicker I wasnt surprised, he's a class A moron. When the South Park Urinal Deuce episode aired I was very disappointed, I expected more from those guys and was a huge fan of SP until that episode. I listened to the interview (from 11:45 to first commercial) and it was as I expected - NO SUBSTANCE. Just a bunch of "conspiracy theory moonbats" talk, and nothing else. I wonder how they will feel when everything they worked for is gone, and they are locked in a FEMA camp.

Blind idiots. Good Luck.

They are all associated with the fascist media

Penn is a pompous and arrogant ass.  He's also a bully.  As such, he fits in perfectly with the NWO and Bush.  The South Park boys have egos beyond belief.  OK, so much for the personal attacks.


They are all either ignorant of the facts or purposely trying to cover for their paymasters.  Either way, they are perpetrating the lie.  Shame on them. 

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.... The people cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe." Thomas Jefferson

I'm certain hey are blinded

I'm certain they are blinded to the implications of certain facts for the usual reasons. The difference between them and the guy on the street who isn't convinced by the Truth info he's handed is that Trey and Matt draw cartoons.

Don't Expect Much

From those who have made it to the big time.

Truth is like throwing rocks in a glass house. They are so afraid that this will alter their world.... a world which is providing them with comfort.

We can not count on anyone in Hollywood.

Have not heard anything from James Brolin or Charlie Sheen in a while.

although they did threaten to keep Charlie from seeing his children and put him in a pretty compromising position.
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i cant stream the

i cant stream the video----

which gives me the perfect opportunity to weigh in on this since i havent heard the interview

do you notice'----'goofy' and 'dumb' ---those are just kind of subjective funny descriptions

but they said that 911truth was strong and growing and cant be stopped
i wonder if they are really pro 911truth----so they pretend like they diss it----while secretly helping to empower it ----in their own way

erm, what?

you "haven't" heard the interview but you can quote it? wow, aounds like you need a job over at the BBC or CNN.


Maybe because it is quoted in the original post and he can "read".?

These guys need to buy a clue...

Is it because they are not so bright?

Is it because they are emotionally weak?

Is it because they are scared of people who live other counties?

Thanks for the publicity, kids.

I smell a conspiracy

... I've pointed this out a few times before, but really, there seems to be a concerted push from the LEFT against us. I am surmising that part of it is the result of some sort of meeting of the mindless. - I remember a while back there was a hit-piece in rolling stone... that might have been the first, but more recently we saw Alex Cockburn's hit piece and also that of the BBC. There are about a half dozen more, but it gets hard to tell who was in on it from the beginning, who just jumped on the bandwagon and who just wants to dive into controversy for publicity, regardless. In any case, we've become the whipping boy. It's time we take our task masters to task for hypocracy.

Something I've noticed in ALL of the recent hit pieces - and the fact that they all share this is an indictment in and of itself - is that they all accuse the Truth Movement of cherry picking and bad science --> while at the same time cherry picking the craziest theories to dispute. those which have for the most part been discredited even among us, as examples - AND choosing the wackiest science off all, regarding the goldbergian fuel feed of the WTC 7 fire to support their claims.

Don't get me wrong, I think we're to blame too, for not self-debunking the maniacs among us, but really... I have not seen a recent hit-piece that did not DO the same thing they claim of us in THE SAME DAMN ARTICLE. I think one of the most recent even purported that 'holographic planes' were the most recent of theories. THIS HAS TO END. We need a united stance, and a united front AND most important of all, we need to be able to threaten them via activism so that they can not lump us all into the nutball crowd, because we have LEGITIMATE questions that REQUIRE ANSWERS.

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We just can't fool JimmieB..... He's got us pegged once again.

911 is just our wacked out political agenda. We are using it to get our people into the White House. Can't pull the wool over his eyes.

You see I laugh at people who listen to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Liely and I don't understand anyone who reads Ann Coulters books. Frankly surprised that their fans even read.

Half of what they say is just a personal attack. They spread hate which seems to appeal to their fans who are of the lowest denominator. Do you realize that their entire career at this point hinges on the propogation of 911?

You know what? No matter how much I think that ttheir beliefs are wacked out..... I do not spend all day cruising their site to add my two cents to their argument.

You see.... they have nothing to offer me..... nothing intelligent at least. How do I know that? Because I have encountered enough of you coming here and bringing nothing to the table.

Please continue doing what you do JimmieB.... whatever that may be?? You only make us look better everytime you give your input. If you and your internet friends are laughing at us like you profess.... perhaps you could convince them to come play with us too..... and we'll have an old time throw down.

Because if their excuses are as weak as yours we'll have a grand old time beating them with their own giggle stick.

Uhhhh..... John O'Neil.... security.... LOL..... you guys dumb! DEBUNKED! LOL!! I saw a plane... duh! DEBUNKED!

Buildings fall down.... all the time..... fire.... pancaked.... NIST wrote a report... it was long.... had pictures and graphs.... somebody read it..... DEBUNKED!

You guys are great..... really?

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On and on untill the break of dawn.... do you have a special alarm that goes off when someone replies to your post?

YOu have been here from 8 AM

you would think that if we had nothing here that you'd be able to sleep.
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I THINK we will manage..... good thing they only have the internet in the US

don't get abducted in Aruba
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this is the idiot screw loose change loser

hey instead of denigrating our claims can you please provide your evidence that muslims were involved?

Let me guess what your answers will be








Remember that Swift started

Remember that Swift started to lose it at about their age, and these two fart joke kings aren't exactly Swift.

Like Aristotle's arrow, the basic moral and logical arguments of the truth movement go right over the heads of these fried fools.

I didn't realize JamesB was a shameless Nazi/neocon

I never found South Park funny, "hip" or any of the other buzzwords. Sophomoric and thinly veiled right wing claptrap is more apropo.

...McCain controlling the nuclear arsenals?

You must be suicidal.

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The Nazis existed quite apart from the holocaust. They were a movement, a philosophy, a way of life their own.

This isn't WW2, fool. Your bloodthirsty nationalism is easily comparable to Nazi deeds: crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, mindless militarism, scapegoating. I'm surprised you're so clueless I have to explain these things to you.

Thankfully, your current Nazi emperor Bush is exposed for the fraud he is, and his approval is down to only the mindless such as yourself. That's a pretty small overall percentage, but dangerous in their own right because of their fanatacism and embrace of violence and terror. The violence and terror they approve of is state sponsored, which to them lends legitimacy. But by any standard, the state sponsored terror is by far the greatest threat to the world and to freedom that exists today.

Go on. Say something witty, James. I can't wait.

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Bush Is Just a Figurehead

Phoney Texan- and Christian-posturing blue blood Yankee carpetbagger from New Haven, Connecticut, Bush, Jr., is just a figurehead, JamesB. He barely has enough skills to carry out the trash, let alone the 9/11 attacks.

Bush, Jr., like all modern U.S. presidents, is simply a puppet of his ruling elite backers. As President Franklin D. Roosevelt noted:

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson--and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States--only on a far bigger and broader basis.

(From President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, November 21, 1933; contained in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945, edited by Elliott Roosevelt [New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1950], pg. 373.)

Roosevelt in the above letter mentioned President Woodrow Wilson ("W.W."). Below is what Woodrow Wilson himself wrote concerning this same matter:

Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.


[A]nd we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world--no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

(From Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People [New York and Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company, 1913] .)

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006


What did FDR and Woodrow Wilson know anyways??.... they certainly did not live in a "Post 911 World"
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Stat Man

What stats were we arguing about?

Was it the inflation numbers?

How for some reason they take FOOD and ENERGY out of the equation? but as long as a pair of Levis or an electric can opener do not go up in price then all is well in the inflationary universe.

Or was it the constant fall of the value of the dollar in the world market.

What is your problem exactly?
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Conspiracy Theorist JamesB, Apologist for the Official Lies

Hi, JamesB. I thank you for stimulating me to think deeper about the statistical issues, even though you made a number of fallacious claims in the process, such as your repeated claims that the three purported hijackers simply listed themselves on their driver licenses as living on 10 Radford Boulevard, instead of the military also having records of them living there. Of which doesn't even make any sense, because then the U.S. government would be sending them mail to that address under those names and it hence it would be discovered that they don't live there, thereby drawing even more unnecessary attention to themselves.

Truth is the paramount importance to me, due to me taking the teachings of the world's greatest philosopher (among other applicable titles), Jesus Christ, very seriously. So I'm always more than willing to "check my premises" (to use one of Rand's admonishments) and reevaluate something. I wish the same applied to you.

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006


You can argue over the interpretation of addresses, but the fact is your math was completely wrong. That is not up for argument. Math knows no politics.

What are you refering to Jimmie?

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Math Reference

JR wrote on article on infowars in which he calculated the odds of the hijackers names being found in the military population as 1 in 27 billion or so. The problem was his use of statistics was laughably bad. He got just about every concept wrong.

The fact he got it wrong wasn't so bad, but the fact that he continued to insist he knew what he was talking about, when he clearly didn't was quite pathetic.

What's your point?

Besides the "Cherry Picking" angle?
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A Fallacy is a Fallacy, Yours Included

JamesB, you continued to insist that you knew what you were talking about even after I pointed out your error concerning the fact that the relevant news articles that were cited reported that the military also had records of the said purported hijackers.

As well, your above claim is not true, in that I pointed out from the start of our discussion that I am not a statistician and that I would welcome a trained statistiacian to do the analysis (i.e., on both given and tribal names, using more thorough statistics than I had available to me). That is, I made clear from the start of our discussion that this was something that was not within my field of erudition, and hence that it may not be right, but that I wished someone who is erudite in this field would conduct a proper analysis on the matter.

So I'm more than willing to reevaluate a topic in order to ensure that I conform to the truth, as the truth is the utmost importance to me, as it is only the truth which can save us (per Jesus Christ's statement, that no one comes to the Father, except via truth). As I said, I wish the same applied to you.

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

McCain and you.

If you're going to support a bloodthirsty nationalist, then you are supporting his policies. McCain is an imperialist and wants to project US military power, increase the size of the military, reinstate the draft, and continue oppressing foreign lands as some quasi divine mandate for American supremacy.

If you're going to support the man, you are going to be tarred with his policies.

Back to 9/11:

If you really are the ScrewLooseChange guy, you should be willing to honestly answer this:

Did Bush and Congress cover up September 11th, or didn't they? (explain your answer, or no bonus points)

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What? No answer to that? It's a very simple question James.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

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Government & Brutal Conspiracies Go Together Like Fuel & Fire

Here is some of what JamesB says regarding himself on his blog ( ):

Name: James B.
Location: Bellevue, Washington,

Chief is a combination software geek from Bellevue, part-time Chief Warrant Officer in the Army National Guard (thus the clever name), and current MBA student. A graduate in Russian and East European studies from the University of Washington, his interests include foreign affairs, economics, politics, technology and languages. Polite inquiries and job offers will be answered at

There's also post on his blog entitled "Why I paid attention in Russian class," yet from doing a search on his blog he doesn't display much knowledge about Russia. For example, there is no mention of the Russian government's FSB staging the 1999 apartment bombing campaign in order to provide a pretext to invade Chechnya. Nor is there any mention of the Soviet government (of which Russia was the largest and dominate republic) having murdered over 61 million of its own non-combatant subjects.

The latter of which was truly an utterly enormous murderous conspiracy on the part of government; a conspiracy that makes the 9/11 attacks look exceedingly measly by comparison; and one in which the perpetrators got away with, in that they have never been brought to corporeal justice for their decades-long mass-slaughtering of their own subjects. Indeed, the Soviet government and the KGB in large part continue on in the form of the the extant Russian government and FSB (e.g., with personnel such as former KGB spy and FSB head, and current President, Vladimir Putin).

And as far as conspiracies go, they are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. More than six times the amount of non-combatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. Besides the above-mentioned figure of murdered by the Soviet government, from 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own non-combatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's website at .)

All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government.

Needless to say, all of these government mass-slaughters were conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that.

Terrorism is the health of the state, which is why so many governments throughout history have manufactured terrorism in which to serve as a pretext in order to usurp ever more power and control.

Below is documentation on Vladimir "Mr. Hexogen" Putin* and the 9/99 Russian apartment building bombings:

The September 1999 Russian apartment building terror-bombing campain used hexogen (i.e., cyclonite; RDX) as the explosive and was blamed on Chechen terrorists despite there being not the slightest shred of evidence that Chechens were behind it, and it later turned out that the bombings were done by the Russian government itself (i.e., under former KGB spy and FSB head, and then Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin) in order to get the Russian people behind another war against Chechnya (oh, how familiar it all sounds!)--indeed, the Russian government (i.e., the FSB, the present-day KGB) was actually caught red-handed by local police and citizens in the city of Ryazan planting live explosives (i.e., hexogen) with live detonators in an apartment building!

The below article by David Satter, published by the Hudson Institute, is probably the best overall article concerning much of the evidence that the 9/99 Russian terrorist bombings were done by the Russian government. The National Review article is simply based upon the Hudson Institute article, but without the very important and informative endnotes (and so I recommend that you read the Hudson Institute article).

"The Shadow of Ryazan: Who Was Behind the Strange Russian Apartment Bombings in September 1999?," David Satter, Hudson Institute, April 19, 2002

"The Shadow of Ryazan--Is Putin's government legitimate?," David Satter, National Review, April 30, 2002

The below website, Terror-99, deals with the Russian government's involvement in the 9/99 Russian terrorist bombings, and has a huge amount of mainstream major-media news-articles demonstrating that the Russian government was behind the bombings:

For an additional amount of vital evidence not covered in the David Satter article, specifically concerning Russian Parliament speaker Gennady Seleznyov's announcement to the State Duma on September 13, 1999 of an apartment being bombed in Volgodonsk three days before it had actually occured, see the below two articles:

"Bali Halloween," Israel Shamir

"Fear of Doing the Boss a Disservice," Moscow Times, April 11, 2002, pg. 8

David Satter has also written more on this matter in the below book by him:

Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State (Yale University Press, 2003)



* "'Gospodin Geksogen' ('Mr. Hexogen')," Dr. Alexandr Nemets and Dr. Thomas Torda,, July 19, 2002


"'Mr. Hexogen' (Continued)," Dr. Alexandr Nemets and Dr. Thomas Torda,, July 23, 2002


See also:

"The Chechnya Syndrome," Garry Kasparov, Wall Street Journal, September 30, 1999:

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

FOX in his Future

People..... you better recognize....

we may very well be in the presence of a future FOX commentator.

Ladies and Gentlemen..... Jimmie B
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Geez, some people are hard to please

Let me get this straight, you are criticizing me for a blog post that I didn't write? Man, you really do have trouble with math. There are literally an infinite number of topics I could have written about, the fact that I didn't address a subject which is of interest to you is irrelevent. You are free to write about it all you want.

You don't need to lecture me about deaths under communism. My senior thesis was on collectivization and the use of propaganda in the Soviet press, 1927-1933. I can pretty much guarantee I know more about it than you do, even if I haven't written a blog post on the subject.


Wait... you have studied propoganda in the media as far back as the early 1900's

yet you have trouble recognizing it's influence in today's media?

Makes me think that you may be part of todays propoganda machine.

What do you do for the military again?
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It Is Relevant, and This Is Why

It most certainly is relevant, JamesB, because you hypocritically make the self-refuting "conspiracy theorist" ad hominem charge against those who rebuke the U.S. government's official conspiracy theory which you act as an apologist for (and hence, you also are, by definition, a conspiracy theorist, which is why making that charge is hypocritical and self-refuting). That is, you make pretense that the notion of the U.S. government staging the 9/11 attacks from beginning to end is an absurd, crazy idea, when in actual fact it would be a trifling conspiracy on the part of government compared to the massive murderous conspiracies governments in the last century had routinely engaged in and gotten away with (in the sense of never having been brought to corporeal justice).

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

Definition of conspiracy theory

You are confusing the definition of "conspiracy" with that of a "conspiracy theory". Three men robbing the local 7-11 is technically a conspiracy, but nobody would accuse the district attorney of being a conspiracy theorist for charging them with the crime. Now if you started going on about how it was the Mossad who committed the robbery in order to secretly supply Zionists with free slurpies, then that would be a conspiracy theory.

conspiracy theory
1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

By Those Definitions, You Still Remain a Conspiracy Theorist

Surely, JamesB, even going by the second definition provided in your above citation, the numerous mass-slaughters of many tens of millions of non-combatant subjects by governments within the past century were not unimportant events.

You may object that the second definition spoken of here specifies "secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public." But indeed most of them were secret plots. The subject populace may have heard stories and rumors about people being swept off the streets and never heard from again, but in large part they remained in ignorance. So they may have known in their guts a small part of what was going on, but most certainly didn't know the truly massive extent.

So indeed, JamesB, by even the second definition you provided above, you still remain a conspiracy theorist, unless you want to argue that the subject populations so slaughtered weren't lied to and kept in ignorance by the very governments that were slaughtering them.

Nor does the legal definition of conspiracy (at least in the U.S.) involve secrecy. The legal definition simply involves two or more people planning to commit a crime (whether or not the crime is actually committed, or whether the plan is kept secret or is public).

Below are three more definitions of "conspiracy theory" by major dictionaries which reinforce my above comments.


conspiracy theory
NOUN: A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.
OTHER FORMS: conspiracy theorist--NOUN

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


conspiracy theory
*noun* a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event.


conspiracy theory
con·spir·a·cy the·o·ry (plural con·spir·a·cy the·o·ries)
belief that event is plot: a belief that a particular event is the result of a secret plot rather than the actions of an individual person or chance

con·spir·a·cy the·o·rist *n*

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

woah. wait. your willing to

woah. wait. your willing to admit that you are a "fan" of John McCain? you may be an annoying tool with no life who comes to websites like this to get his rocks off but you sir have balls if your willing to admit that. McCain? really? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

addressing the demagogues

The media whores are not much better than holocaust deniers. Maybe we should go after the more abusive ones, like Penn and Teller. Boycott their sponsors, point out the similarities between them and holocaust deniers, parody their "works" - such as in 'Pinhead and Yeller debunk the Holocaust'.

However, it's important to remember that the Penn and Tellers of this world are just the obnoxious tip of a coopted and corrupted media. While there is an unfortunately large percentage of the population that responds to the vulgarity of a Penn and Teller, the problem is moreso in the "respectable" journalists and editors who populate the main stream media, as well as the so-called "alternative media".

See my proposal "Putting the NY Times Out of Business" at

NB: It's also important to remember the millions of decent Americans (who wouldn't pay any attention to vulgar mental lightweight types such as Penn and Teller, no matter what they said) who don't believe the US government would allow a 911. We shouldn't be obnoxious, ourselves, in reaching out to them.

or, we could just leave

the holocaust out of the discussion. but for some reason we can't--people keep injecting it in. so there must be a reason--9/11 and the holocaust must actually be linked somehow.

Indeed. Someone posted a link to a profoundly interesting essay yesterday, by self-exiled Israeli jazz musician Gilad Atzmon. This guy is amazing. Everyone should read the essay:

In a nutshell, he argues that the use of the holocaust to rally Jews is just the latest manifestation of the (fictional) narrative of the Book of Esther, where the Jews of Persia are saved from genocide by well-placed Esther and her cousin Mordechai. He explains that the fear of being wiped out has been a part of Judaic dogma since its inception and that it and the theme of exile have long been the glue preventing Jewish assimilation wherever Jews may live.

The new holocaust to fear of course now comes from Iran (now that Saddam has been hanged). We may not all be Jews, but in America we are being trained in the ways of this "holocaust religion" to fear imminent destruction and fetishize suffering in the form of searing events in history (9/11=America's little holocaust). And while we haven't gotten to the point where questioning it will land us in jail (as with the holocaust in some countries) there is ample reason to worry that something similar could happen.

This is a step beyond idolatry... According to Atzmon, many modern Jews no longer worship god--they worship the holocaust and Israel--they worship themselves in other words.

And you thought only right wing christians were trouble makers! No, EVERY religion has the potential to be used and manipulated by powerful and amoral individuals. Until we start putting Zionism and Judaism under the same microscope as we do evangelical protestantism, we will be suffering from the ignorance derived from a gross double standard.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Living up to your screen name, RT?

A jew who actually loves g-d, and NOT the Sacrosanct Holocaust nor the sacrilegious Israeli Nation State (look it up, the Israeli Nation State IS sacrilegious in the eyes of honest to g-d judaism), is a jew worthy of my loving embrace and humane defense to be.

"Wiped off the map", as has been said? Well, according to folklore... jews were invited by g-d Himself to inhabit the world among all her people, and to erect synagogues (plural!) wherever jews may wish to roam. Thus, forever replacing the one and only Temple which g-d no longer needed for jews to prove their love for Him.

It should never have made it on the "map" in the first place... let alone used to sustain a bullshit apartheid modern holocaust against "others". The geographical nation-state of Israel, is one gigantic spit into the eye of g-d... just ask a real jew.

Talk to some IDF boys and girls... and you'll learn real quick, they are NOT soldiers for g-d... they are actually Soldiers for God! Just like God's Next Army staffing the halls of U.S. Government. Just like dreamy Kamikaze Moooslems... who don't know jack-shit about islam.

Hummmm.... I smell a pattern. And the world spins and spins and spins.


"that is what the military does when there is nothing else to do." -911truthiness

brava, e. good points. well made. prompt shipping. A+++

would read again! :)

imagine there's no heaven, no religion, no possessions, no countries, no greed, no hunger.

It is possible, but not until we give up the old ways and begin to look to the future together.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


What better place than here,

what better time than now?

What strange times we live in...

where entertainers are the ones sought for the truth rather than scientists or common sense.

Artists have always been truth seekers

and tellers.

(One of the reasons why real artists are treated so badly in the US.)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Artist is to entertainer

like traveller is to jester - one widens the perspective, while the other merely makes the existing perspective more bearable. Southpark or the Daily Show simply reiterate currents within society, they never lead the way. As such, they are merely jesters...

actually weren't jesters supposed to tell truths that ordinary

serious people couldn't get away with telling? I thought as such they served as a kind of safety valve. not just some fool. but i'm no expert... I would consider these guys more like the circus... panis et circenses!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Ok, good point.

But were jesters allowed to get away with telling truth truly threatening the Status Quo? I would think not...

They were allowed to speak commonly known, yet at court seldomly openly acknowledged truths - just as Jon Stewart is free to ridicule the Bush administration all he wants, as long as he stays clear of the real elephants in the room: 9/11 and AIPAC.


don't think I was referring to Trey Parker and Matt Stone as artists.

They clearly are not. They are simply cynical, exploitive businessmen preying upon the unthinking masses.

Very unoriginal.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

there was a show on

there was a show on hbo----where they had all the comedians go through a take on the classic "aristocrats" joke---

this is like some old yiddish tetragrammaton exercise
where a person jokes through it

it really tells alot about a person's personality and whether or not theyre really funny---

this one girl comedian pulled it off awesome----robin williams barely pulled it off
the south park segment they tried to joke around about the "victims of 911"----and it was pure PAIN----

it didnt come off funny at all-----it was dark as night


There is very little comedy in that joke..... for some reason it has become some kind of right of passage into comedy's inner circle or something..... and hearing it told more than once was painful to watch.

I felt like I was witnessing the complete and total downfall of society. Makes you wonder why the Muslims are fighting so hard to keep our values away from their families.
Ignorance is NOT Bliss


speaks for Robin Williams that he couldn't find the enthusiasm to excel at it.

Robin Williams-total hack.

Robin Williams-total hack. just my opinion.


as to a comedian who you feel isn't a hack
Ignorance is NOT Bliss

well, i dont like a lot of

well, i dont like a lot of stand up comedy, i usually like dumb shit like Aqua Teen Hunger Force, The Office, Family Guy,The Simpsons, Arrested Development etc., so maybe im not the best judge of comedy, but ive just always found Robin Williams to be pretty corny. i like some of the subversive political types like Bill Hicks,Lewis Black etc. but comedians just never seem to work in movies for me. almost all the comedy stuff i own are shows not movies and Robin WIlliams just seems to make a series of unfunny trash for the most part. hes funnier on Letterman.

Eddie Izzard?

Man, if we could get Eddie on board for 9/11 Truth...

That's Easy: Bill Hicks

Watch a video clip of why late comedian Bill Hicks (R.I.P.) is glad that (psilocybin) mushrooms are illegal:

Heaven in a Cow's Ass

Finding heaven in a cow's ass. Taped in October of '93?

"I should never have smoked that joint on the third day"

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And also read:

"The Details of the Conspiracy Between the Unconditional Lover and the Unrepentant Murderer Towards the Self-Determined Destruction/Salvation of Your World," updated May 28, 2002

Below are some works by my favorite painter:

A Vision

In 1976 my wife, Allyson, and I had an experience that changed our lives and our art. We sacramentally ingested a large dose of LSD and lay down. Eventually a heightened state of consciousness emerged in which I was no longer aware of physical reality or my body in any conventional sense. I felt and saw my interconnectedness with all beings and things in a vast and brilliant Universal Mind Lattice. Every being and thing in the universe was a toroidal fountain and drain of self-illuminating love energy, a cellular node or jewel in a network that linked omnidirectionally without end. All duality of self and other was overcome in this infinite dimension of spiritual light. I felt I had been there before, or perhaps in some way was always there. This was the state beyond birth and death, beyond time, our true nature, which seemed more real than any physical surrounding and more real even than my physical body. The clear light matrix arose out of a field of pure emptiness. As utterly convincing as it was, when the light receded, I opened my eyes to behold Allyson and our bedroom once again. I was somewhat shocked to learn that she had experienced the exact same transpersonal dimension at the same time, which we determined by our descriptive drawings and discussion of the awesome beauty of the state. This experience of the infinite net of spirit transformed our lives and gave us a subject that became the focus of our art and our mission.

--Alex Grey

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

That sounds

like you advocate the Little Spiritual Doorways. I'm with you.

I remember

seeing that. It seemed more like an opportunity to see how raunchry they could get than being funny. Comedy is not as meant to be funny . Many times it is used to draw raw feelings to the surface.
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

I think these guys are easy

I think these guys are easy to challenge. They are not the enemy, they are entitled to their opinion like everyone else. It is up to the truth movement to present its case in a united clear format in which everyone can understand its concerns. If anyone is to blame, it is the movement, for being so fragmented and pulling in so many different directions. Though the blame is not entirely theirs, but from the outside looking in, it looks completely unorganized and lacking credibility.

JamesB still out there?

Wow, I was missing Murph really bad and then I found JamesB!!!

He seems smart!!!

So, if you have half a brain, then you know that 911 was an inside job, controlled demolitions. Yet you attack the movement. So, is it humanity in general that you despise, or just certain "groups"?

So, I'm looking for a new term. As we have "truther", "mihop", and "left gatekeepers", what can we call people who know damn well 911 was an inside job but either avoid the issue or lie about it? I mean, besides government employees. This question comes after reading the editorial and comments regarding Griffin's article in Tikkun yesterday. Great that a lot of really smart people will read his words. But, living in denial is so much more comfortable. You know, the mortgage, the career...

JamesB- do you attack Truth as your occupation or do you look down upon us humans below the upper-middle-class threshhold as vermin? Just wondering, and give Murph and the boys my hello's...