KSM Hearings Begin Today
Hearing begins for suspected 9/11 mastermind
By Richard Holt
Last Updated: 9:05am GMT 09/03/2007
Hearings begin today at Guantanamo Bay for a group of 14 terrorist suspects including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged September 11 mastermind.
No lawyers or reporters will be present at the hearings so the only account of the outcome will come from the US military.
Also going on before the hearings panels include Abu Zubaydah, a senior aide to Osama bin Laden, and a man known simply as Hambali, who is alleged to have orchestrated the 2002 Bali bombings.
The detainees were transferred to the US detention centre in Cuba in September after spending years held in secret CIA prisons.
The suspects will go before "combatant status review" panels of three military officers who will decide whether they should continue to be held as "enemy combatants" at Guantanamo.
A Pentagon spokesman said the hearings were closed to prevent classified information from leaking.
But human rights groups and lawyers say the secretive approach further damages US credibility over its treatment and prosecution of terror suspects.
Lawyers for Majid Khan, another of the 14 suspects, have condemned the hearings and said their client was subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques" amounting to torture while in a secret CIA prison.
The Centre for Constitutional Rights, which is organising the defence of hundreds of Guantanamo detainees including Khan, said it was "outrageous" that he had not seen his lawyers since October.
The status review panels do not rule on an the suspects' guilt or innocence but a decision to keep the suspects under detention as "enemy combatants" is expected to pave the way for formal trials on terrorism charges before special military tribunals created by the US Congress under controversial new laws.
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Would like to see KSM alive. Reason being, I don't think he is. Has anyone seen a news report describing a meeting between KSM's lawyer, and KSM? Has a statement been given by his lawyer? The only report I've seen is this one that says the Red Cross was to meet with him, however, I have not seen a follow-up, or a statement from the Red Cross regarding his status.
Incidentally, there's a report from the Telegraph today stating that the U.S. is going to hunt down Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan. The interesting thing about that report is that it shows the CIA and the ISI still have a good relationship.
Mr Kappes also met members of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and operatives from the CIA's Islamabad station to discuss co-ordinating efforts to track bin Laden.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
American Liberty
This KSM trial, if you can call it that, will be a Whitehouse farce, the detention of these people is illegal in the civilised world and their treatment is nothing short of shocking, lets call it a Kangaroo court cos thats what it will be for all the detainees, nothing else.
Americans and the World are getting nowhere with these two RETARDS Bush/Cheney and their Neo-Con Nazi muppets, I mean you only have to look at Bush to see he is disturbed, people in the UK are wondering how the hell that idiot ever got to power.
Please free yourselves from these Evil sewer rats and re-install your LIBERTY..... Before it's too late.
Good luck America.
the evidence is what concerns me more
what's most damning is that the american public will never get to see or hear the evidence. 911 is in fact going on trial - and it is being kept secret.
Secrecy Required
They can't have the actual evidence coming out in the open. They'd have to address issues like How did the attacks come to coincide with the exercises on 9 / 11 ? Who informed the hijackers of these exercises ? Who funded the hijackers ? Etc etc. It would inevitably lead to the links between the 19 and their handler(s) or contact(s) in the United States.
You're getting better,
You're getting better, "fellow truther". It's sort of disturbing to watch, actually....
Anyone confused what I'm on about, just say so and I'll give you the links.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
he is trying harder lately
he is trying harder lately isnt he?
So are his mates. We can't
So are his mates. We can't be the only two rating him down. That means there's a team keeping him up.
Newbies: I know Chris and I look like bastards. Sorry about that. And the post we're ragging about seems reasonable. That's the problem. Click on "haverman", then click on track(NOT "tracker") and read his previous posts. Particularly re: BBC cock-up. Judge for yourself whether "haverman" sounds like a 911activist or someone who wants you to think he/she is while putting on a very lame "devil's advocate" act.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
According to the Washington Post
the Red Cross met with KSM
Yeah but...
"Among the men is Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Red Cross officials do not comment on the details of such meetings or their recommendations to government captors, citing confidentiality agreements that allow them unfettered access. They also declined to comment on the conditions the detainees faced while in secret U.S. custody and on their mental and physical well-being."
No comment...
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
And today...
It was reported...
"Whitman could not say whether Mohammed chose to participate in the hearing"
And...
"Officials have barred reporters from covering the tribunals for the 14 new Guantanamo detainees, although hundreds of earlier ones were open to coverage."
They can't even say whether or not he attended? That's bullshit. How does that effect National Security? Also, why bar reporters from KSM's hearing when "hundreds of earlier ones were open to coverage"? That REAKS of something fishy.
The guardian reported that "Whitman said that at least one of detainees did not attend the sessions." How much do you want to bet that was KSM?
BTW... I know speculating about KSM being alive or dead is unwise, but honestly... would you keep the "alleged" mastermind of the 9/11 attacks alive if you were the real mastermind behind the attacks?
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
I wouldn't be surprised if
KSM meets a Ruby- or Oswald-like end, if he is alive.
I share your skepticism on this one. I guess I'm surprised no one from the Red Cross broke the code of silence and said, "Holy crap! They don't have KSM!"
Either way, this "tribunal" is a farce.
I know...
That most good, hard working Red Cross people would probably say something, but the possibility exists that they were bought off, etc... again, more speculation... but probably possible. I wouldn't promote that KSM is dead as fact. We just don't know.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
nah
That's probably not it; paying off lots of people is risky. Better to just not give them anything solid to squalk about in the first place. I figure if KSM wasn't there, they probably just made up some lame excuse and then told the Red Cross it was all about "national security" and they had to shush about it or else.
But, I could be wrong.
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
If I understand right...
... we're just going to get the usual couple of pages from this CSRT, like we usually do, but when the Military Tribunal starts we will get all of it, right? Can anybody comment on how this is supposed to work.
pulled the wool over the public eyes.
It doesnt work thats why he is there. The issue here will you believe what the goverment tells youis true, of course not. This whole thing is a sham look at the moussoui trail and that was suppose to be on a proper footing in the US, in a court of law ,with the press there, and they still pulled the wool over the public eyes.
The Moussaoui trial
is an interesting case study indeed. Giuliani testified, apparently very emotionally, and the prosecution brought in a mock-up model of the WTC towers. Talk about grandstanding for the jury ... since Moussaoui wasn't even necessarily on trial for the WTC attacks, just alledgedly being part of the 9-11 plot.
Unfortunately he is mentally unstable and most certainly said self-incriminating things. I don't doubt that he's a troublemaker, but to try and pin the entire 9-11 plot on the guy was an exercize in stupidity.
The public evidence from the trial is worth pouring over, since it is the only public trial thus far of anyone alledgedly involved in 9-11.
The Gitmo secrecy is going to backfire and is just another example of the DoD and Executive hiding behind the state secrets priviledge, which can only go on for so long ...
Reality got you down? Read the La Rochelle Times: http://www.rochelletimes.blogspot.com
Oui, oui... Moussaoui!
Good point, Monsieur le Prof:
"The public evidence from the trial is worth pouring over, since it is the only public trial thus far of anyone alledgedly involved in 9-11."
I just posted a comment about this on GW's "Legal Scholars" blog (above). Here's the link to all the exhibits, if anyone wants to look for a smoking gun:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/
As I said... One thing that shocked me were the Stipulations of Fact that the defense agreed to—basically accepting EVERY DETAIL of the official story as true, without requiring any proof or foundation! What kind of defense lawyers would sign off on a document like that???
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution... (Parts A & B, 5MB)
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution... (580K)
Talk about a cover-up.
Us stupid Americans...'morons' & 'idiots'...
Seems like the UK became a puppet fascist state, subject to the power of the global elites as well. Bush/Cheney are just puppets, and Blair? Howard in Australia? Has any politician stood up and said 911 was an inside job besides Hugo Chavez?
You 'ferners', I too thought Americans were hopeless idiots, but now I look at what's going on in Canada, UK, etc. and realize that thanks to 911,at least some of us Yanks are trying to make a difference. Too many of you foreigners think that 911 is "our" problem, but no, it is a global problem. Alot of our problem goes back to your silly class system, where the upper crust look down on "the people" as stupid unwashed scum.What's 3000 dead at the WTC, 600,000+ Iraqis, when there's $$$ to be made?
Watched the Seattle speech of Webster Tarpley last night-the 'shadow government?', lots of good info on all the drills that were going on, but not sure where he fits in on the believability scale. Any comments? He mentioned Nico Haupt, I think I see Nico shot down regularly here on the blogger.
Intense local 911truth meeting in our town last night, and on the walk there, I watched at least 5 planes pour chemtrails into the sky. Ooh, another conspiracy!!!
But I watched the 'exhaust' fall thousands of feet like cotton candy, within 15 minutes all of 'trails' had become 'clouds'. Is there any connection to 911 here?
One lady at the meeting said that we are all basically screwed, we don't stand a chance of making a difference. I'm no optimist but will continue to try and bring more people over to the side of Truth. But, by March 2007, are we really getting anywhere?
Good movie I watched on campus last Tues. "The Road to Guantanamo": Hmm...maybe some of these guys did nothing, have been held on trumped up charges and even I haven't given it much of a thought until this movie made me think about it. Watch for it not to appear at a theater near you.
weather wars
lalo, I find it impossible to ignore the chemtrails also, even though it has been advised not to bring up 9/11 in the same sentence. Former NBC weatherman, Scott Stevens has updated his site http://www.weatherwars.info and says he has a radio program in the works, and that he will be expanding on what he believes is going on. Are we being programmed to hold back the evolution of human consciousness? I sent him an email recently telling him that I am very interested in his research, and that I focus on 9/11 issues. He has answered me in the past, so hopefully he will take a look at 9/11 also.
Thanks, Randy:
3 of us at the Truth group meeting had noticed the trails, 2 of us also noticed the 'normal' jet that flew by and had contrails that faded soon after. Like 911 Truth, you can point out the obvious to people and they won't see it.
It was towards sunset, and I figured if chemtrails were made to cool the earth it made no sense to make them so late in the day.
It was scary, watching one plane after another spew this stuff, the speed at which it falls towards the earth but then spreads out into a cloud. The possible connection to 911 is that some entity with 'power' seem to be able to do whatever they want and we 'people' are absolutely powerless to stop them.
I looked at the descending foam and thought, 'oh shit, am I going to be breathing that tonight?"
What's up with our world?
cooling the earth
or keeping depleted uranium from falling on our heads? Chemtrails are our friend? In any case, we have a right to know.
Ionized Metals
They have found that a residue present after high concentrations of these trails contains a high content of metals.
Probably not the best thing to breathe in..... but what these ionized metals do is allow the upper atmosphere to be heated creating an area of high pressure..... easily done by zapping the ionized metals with a directed microwave beam.
This would allow them to control weather to some degree. They could use it to pull the cold weather down from the north.... making it colder.... which would increase energy consumption.
I have noticed that they do use them in a very concentrated manner.... near sunrise and sunset. Could be protecting us from the suns radiation or obscuring our view of the sun. I have seen an abnormal amount od "SunDogs" over the past two years.
Whatever they are doing.... we should be made aware. I'm tired of all the secrets and lies
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Together in Truth!
video please!
3 of us at the Truth group meeting had noticed the trails, 2 of us also noticed the 'normal' jet that flew by and had contrails that faded soon after.
A time-lapse of that would be verrrrrrrrry much appreciated.
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
Problems
You are right, this is a global problem... We in the UK have the same problem as the US, in Batman Joker Tony Blair (Bushes poodle), but we in the UK will deal with him in the May elections, the US has to deal with Bush before things get out of control, its only the people of the US who have control over US affairs, do something now.
If Americans stopped buying products from companys who give money to, and support the republican party, that would be a good start... Starve the money from these big companys and you are half way there, buy alternative products.
Funny
how none of the debunkers have anything to say about this story.
Where are you, Jimmy? I want you to say something about how the government's case is so tight... it has to hold a secret tribunal, like in the old Soviet Union, to "convict" someone for 9/11.
Yeah, this is a great day for debunkers. Just proves what you boys have been saying all along: The 9/11 Commission Report was a flawless piece of historiography based on a thorough investigation of hard evidence that would hold up in a court of law.
Good thing Bush had enough dictatorial powers to pass the Military Commissions Act, so that "court of law" now means "secret military tribunal."
A great day for debunking, indeed.
Very good...
You just pointed out an obvious conundrum in the logic behind "debunking". Like that time the U.S. refused to cooperate with courts that were prosecuting supposed co-conspirators in the 9/11 attacks. Why on Earth, would the United States Government not help in every way, shape, or form to convict someone allegedly involved in the 9/11 attacks? There are so many obvious illegalities, and cover-ups regarding 9/11, that it is completely illogical to argue against what we stand for.,
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
Thanks
and yes, it is illogical to oppose what we stand for. I think some people who vocally demonstrate against us are actually uncomfortable with the more fringe 9/11 theories and not the idea that the 9/11 Commission Report was profoundly compromised. We have to bridge that gap. We have to bring in the progressives who disparage us because of the more speculative wing of 9/11 Truth, and not because we want a new investigation.
There was a time when most progressives wanted what we want, a new investigation.
There is a higher principle on which we (that is, us and the people who oppose us) should agree: the rule of law. The 9/11 investigation, if you can call it that, was a major departure from the rule of law, and the KSM trial represents Stalinism in America.
To cordially disagree,
I really don't get that impression. I think most of the debunkers (the ones who "vocally demonstrate against us") probably appreciate the fringe theories, because they make their job easier. As for their fundamental motivation, however, it's something more pathological. I think it probably comes down to a horror at Kronos eating his children kind of thing -- very primal, probably not articulated even to themselves.
We may be talking about slightly different things
I agree most of the debunkers are probably either very naive or proto-fascist jackboots. I'm talking about the Monbiots, Chomskys, Dyers, and other progressives (and their fan base) who have derided 9/11 skeptics extremely harshly -- like, well beyond any rational reaction. I believe many of these people were at one time on our side, when the issue at hand was whether the 9/11 Commission Report was adequate, trustworthy, complete, and so on (Monbiot's post from September 2001 is a good example).
These people turned on 9/11 Truth when Loose Change exploded, and the skepticism turned into certainty about a variety of theories, some fringe. I think the establishment leftists backed off at this point, because they could not control the bedfellows with whom they were consorting. Perhaps many of the fringe theories were concocted to have this effect.
At this point, it may be too late to return to that initial point of agreement. But, honestly, what happened to that moment right after the report was released, when everyone agreed it was total bullshit? Why are we being slagged for pursuing that point, while the others got distracted?
THANKS Randy and JJJames...
It is Sat. afternoon, again the chemtrails are being spread over hours, planes going south to horth around the I-5 area. By the time they reach my town, they have become low stratus clouds looking completely normal.
But, you can often see 3 stages of their evolution in the sky at the same time: plane spewing "contrail", contrail breaks up into cotton-candy like 'poofs' that descend quite rapidly (that's the scary part, they come down as if they're going to be sucked into your lungs in 2 minutes!), then they spread out as 'normal' appearing clouds.
Heavy metals? That's some scary stuff. Anyone have it going on over their citys lately?
Thanks for the info. And yes, there was a 'sun dog' to the northwest. (Norcal folk, go look outside).
Hope all here go 'comment' at other sites such as BBC, Tikkun, and TV/newspaper web sites. Through the blogger, we can relay information globally in minutes, if they print it. BBC blocked all of my comments, but the comments were about 290 to 10 pro-Truth. They've dug their hole! Yes!