Screw Loose Change Exposed debuts - [Fake]

Take a look at this, folks!

A new day, a new dawn ...free of agendas

It's a new day for this Brainster. For those of you who haven't heard already, James and I have decided to go separate ways. I wish him luck. We had a great run with Screw Loose Change, made a lot of waves, shook up the Internet, but, due a difference of opinion about approach, this is for the best.

I know this blog appears to be attacking my roots. Well, I guess it is, but not the mission of exposing the propaganda, but the MEANS we used. It seemed reasonable at first, all's fair in love and war, as they say. But then we lost our way, drifting from exposing "Loose Change" and it's distortions, that now even the creator's admit, to attacking any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever.

Two events were a water shed for me; the Arizona conference and Nico Haupt. At the twoofer con I couldn't help cringing at the mix of wackiness on parade. Chemtrails mixed with for more reasonable, if incorrect research, and it was abundantly clear to me that most participants also felt ambivalent about the diluting of their message. I remain grateful for Stephen's helping me get in, but, frankly, was embarrassed at his antics. I know this didn't come through when I blogged it, but then I had to adhere to guidelines, which I am not free to disclose at this point. And this is not to mention the push to all but invent the crisis of Holocaust denial among the twoof movement, though in fact, it is no more prevalent there than anywhere else.

In the same vein we were to tolerate Nico Haupt and I'd been explicitly advised to visit his news aggregator. At the time it seemed odd, but I then I saw so much that seemed to confirm the "truth" movement was a scam. I should have been more suspicious, but as this was where my head was at the time, I only saw it as validation. This was a point of contention between James and I: first I was supposed to push Nico's 911Blogger parody, that included Nazi imagery as amusing, then I was told I must acknowledge it's offensiveness but defend Nico's free speech rights.

I didn't get into this project to defend someone like Nico Haupt, and I said so. That was our first serious argument and, while avoiding the gory details, suffice it to say, it all went down hill after that.

So here I am, by myself, to expose how our efforts to educate the public were hijacked by other entities. I truly do wish James well; I have no personal animosity towards him or Screw Loose Change as a blog concept. But we made a Faustian bargain and this is the only way I can see out of it.

So fasten your seat belts, hombres: as soon as all my material is together, I'll be showing you what REALLY happened behind the scenes at Screw Loose Change over the last year.

Assuming THEY don't get me. Ha, ha!

Whoa!

Someone found his conscience? Good for him.

No offense to these people

but their blog is about as compelling to me as fox news.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

I hope we get more

I hope we get more verification on this.. Right now I am a bit hesitant in that there are 2 different 'Pat' user accounts.. one which is still setup as a contributer to the screw loose change blog:
http://www2.blogger.com/profile/05060349239296193385

and another which is setup for this new screw loose change exposed blog:
http://www2.blogger.com/profile/07952779307249686463

i found comments on the subject by 'Pat' here, but it is the new Pat, not the old one:
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27396589&postID=29378512298819...

hopefully we can get more info soon..

This looks phony to me. If

This looks phony to me. If it was legitimate there would probably be something verifying its authenticity at the original "SLC" site, instead the details tend to go against the notion as there is a new post from Pat with the same date as the new site's creation date, there are comments from a Pat who seems to be upset about "SLC" but who never addresses the charge that he is a phony, and tehre is a link to a profile for Pat which is entirely different from the profile linked to from the new blog.

Sorry to Disappoint You But This Is a Fake

By the same person who did the phony Nico Haupt blog a couple months ago. James and I have no disagreements other than over his irrational insistence on rooting for the Seattle Seahawks over the greatest franchise in the history of sports, the Arizona Cardinals. ;)

Many a TRUE word spoken in jest...

Best wishes

The attempts to slander the people of this movement...

As anti-semitic and holocaust deniers are not.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Only Those Who ARE Holocaust Deniers

Let me say it as plainly as I can; I do not believe all or even most 9-11 Deniers are Holocaust Deniers or anti-semites. I will point out those who are, such as Kevin Barrett, Eric D. Williams, Eric Hufschmid, and Rick Rajter. I do not make that charge lightly, and I absolutely do not believe that many prominent members of 9-11 are anti-semites or holocaust deniers.

Eric Hufschmid...

Is not supported by 99% of this movement, and hasn't been for a long time. Eric D. Williams is most assuredly a Holocaust Denier. I don't know Rick Rajter. Kevin Barrett, to my knowledge, is not a Holocaust Denier. Last we spoke on the subject, he said that he doesn't deny any of the charges against the Nazis, and what they did to the jews. His major concern is that the same propaganda used by the Nazis to make people think of Jews as "less than human" is now being used to make Muslims appear the same way. In that sense, I agree with him.

So that's 2, maybe 3 people who are "Holocaust Deniers" in a movement of millions. Yet, you and your buddies focus on it as if we are ALL "Holocaust Deniers".

Seems about as honest as your idea that the Government isn't covering up anything in regards to 9/11.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Well, Let's See....

Eric Hufschmid's work is cited by Sofia and Brad in 9-11 Mysteries, which Dylan Avery says is probably the best introduction to 9-11 Truth out there. Hufschmid is also cited by David Ray Griffin in his list of "Omissions and Distortions" (admittedly, for a photograph). Barrett said in an email that "The Holocaust as it is taught in the US is an incredibly destructive myth."

Rajter's admittedly a nobody who writes papers nobody reads with Morgan Reynolds.

Hey Brainster

I got a good look at you at the Arizona Conf.

You look like a child molester to me, dude.

But hey, I'm not going to compare you to actually being a pedophile just because you look like one to me. That would be wrong. Just like your straw man "Holocaust denial" BS.

Have a nice day ;-)

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-Dan Wallace

In regards to Kevin...

Kevin posted this without formatting to distinguish between who is saying what, but regardless, here is part of some correspondence we had that he decided to post on his site.

Jon: In this regard, I agree with you. America is currently involved in, and supporting a Holocaust against Muslims. In regards to Israel using the Holocaust to obtain a blank check, I agree with you. In regards to the Nazis not doing what we were told [they did], I wholeheartedly disagree.

Kevin: I disagree too! I never said they didn't. Don't mistake my attempts to piss off that asshole Mark Robinowitz for considered opinions ; ) Nor "myth" (sacred narrative) for "lie."

Remember, I'm the guy who compared Bush to Hitler--that wasn't meant as a compliment! Though I'm not an expert, I think the Nazis did pretty much what they're said to have done. And I think Eric's decision to write a Holocaust-revision book and publish it on the eve of the 9/11 Accountability Conference is beyond bizarre, and suggests poor judgment to say the least.

Doesn't seem like he denies anything happened to me. Here's some more...

Jon: People want to incorporate the Holocaust into the movement? Ok, let's compare the Reichstag fire ultimately giving Hitler the ability to perform the Holocaust to 9/11 ultimately giving Bush the ability to murder 655,000 Muslims living in Iraq, etc...

Kevin: Right on! That's unfortunately a pretty accurate historical parallel. Hitler was the master of false-flag attacks--google Operation Himmler. I always summarize the neocon philosophy as "if you can't beat Hitler, join him."

He goes into great detail what he means by "myth", and it in no way means "it did not happen."

As far as 9/11 Mysteries goes, I didn't make it, and if I did, Eric Hufschmid would most assuredly not be in it. Hufschmid was not always who he is today. In fact, he was my friend for a time. His "transformation" took place within the last two years. I have no doubt he is sourced by quite a few people. I do not hold it against Dr. Griffin.

If Rick Rajter is a "nobody who writes papers nobody reads", then why even bother with him? Is it because "debunkers" like to focus on the "weakest links" in the movement to use against us?

Your game is getting very old. Have you ever heard the phrase, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em?" You can't beat the truth, so you might want to consider it.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Show "Ask Him To Parse "Hideously Destructive Myth"" by Brainster

Why don't you...

Write Kevin Barrett, and ask for his clarification?

His email address is khidria@merr.com.

So let me get this straight Pat, to question our Government that is obviously covering up a PLETHORA of information regarding the 9/11 attacks means that we are denying 2,973+ people were murdered on 9/11?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Answering down here

so you could edit if needed -- that's not the email given at Mujca.com -- are you sure he wants that one to be public?

You said that you can't

You said that you can't imagine that anybody could think of 9/11 as a hideously destructive myth that is still true. I can think of thousands of people.

Pretty much everyone who subscribes to Z magazine would fit that description. That is, they believe that 19 hijackers and Al Qaeda are responsible for the attacks, but also believe that the 9/11 attacks are used as a hideously destructive myth to justify hideously destructive acts by the US. Really any thinking person, no matter what he or she believes actually happened on 9/11, must agree that a hideously destructive myth was born out of the ashes of 9/11. Myths about American righteousness, myths about the dangerous world outside our borders, myths about WMDs, and so on...

Norman Finkelstein is another example of somebody who is no way a Holocaust denier who views the way the Holocaust's memory is used (ie the myth of the Holocaust) is hideously destructive.

From the Amazon page for his book "The Holocaust Industry."

"It was not until the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, when Israel's evident strength brought it into line with US foreign policy, that memory of the Holocaust began to acquire the exceptional prominence it enjoys today. Leaders of America's Jewish community were delighted that Israel was now deemed a major strategic asset and, Finkelstein contends, exploited the Holocaust to enhance this new-found status. Their subsequent interpretations of the tragedy are often at variance with actual historical events and are employed to deflect any criticism of Israel and its supporters."

Finkelstein's parents survived the camps, and he's not a moron so he believes that there was a Final Solution, that there were death camps, and that six million or so Jews died during World War 2. However, he also believes that the Holocaust has been used by Israel and the US, that they've constructed a hideously destructive myth around the reality of the Holocaust.

I don't trust Barrett very much. His continued association with Fetzer and insistence that the two 911 scholars groups are equals troubles me, and he may very well be encouraging or protecting Holocaust deniers. I can't say one way or the other. However, I do know that it's possible to see that there is a hideously destructive myth in place in regards to the Holocaust without denying the reality of the Holocaust.

I would also point out that 9/11 is very different than the Holocaust. The reality of the Holocaust was revealed when the Nazis fell and State secrets were made public. The evidence about what happened on 9/11 is held by the State, and not all of the Government reports on the evidence are complete. Also the head of the 911 commission itself admits that the official account contains lies.

poisoning the well:

poisoning the well:

The person making such an attack is hoping that the unfavorable information will bias listeners against the person in question and hence that they will reject any claims he might make.

I wonder why we would want to avoid talking about the relevant issues about 9/11...?

If we are talking about 9/11--talk about 9/11. If we are talking about the Holocaust--talk about that. They have no bearing on each other. They are completely separate issues.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Well, that's nice to hear.

We were wondering. So this is all a misunderstanding?

Re:" your change of perspective":

1:So you're saying the "SLC exposed Pat" is NOT you, and
2: you have no disagreements with James in approaching debunking "twoofers", and
3: you DO NOT reject dishonest underhanded tactics as the, presumably, fake "Pat" has?

Just trying to be clear about this. Oh, and if this "Pat" is not the real Pat, who you presumably are, then why haven't you deleted the alledgedly fake Pat's posts from your comments? Or, as someone else has suggested, was this all a stunt to increase traffic on your blog?

God, I'm confused. If this is a SLC stunt, my hat off to you for keeping it all straight. ;-)

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So, Brainster, are you going to answer my question or not?

Because if I have to go to your site, it'll have to wait--I'm turning in.

BTW--Tell "Sword of Truth" to try and not let his phallic, Oedepal issues hang out all over the Internet. ;-)

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aaaargh

Well, as a relative newbie on this site, and someone who's never been on SLC (except once or twice to briefly check out something), I think I fell for a scam. It looks like you are the real Pat and if you say the new blog is a fake then it must be. It looked legit to me, and to PJW as well, it seems.

I apologize to you and to the rest of the site for the mistake. I have nobody to blame but my own lack of BS-detection on this one. :-(

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Whoah...don't get carried away, hoss--not your fault!

If it is a fake, then it was MEANT to fool anyone. I don't see what you have to appologize for. You live and learn.

Don't beat yourself up over this. Besides it was great enternainment value. ;-)

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thanks Col., sir

or ma'am. Sir.

(snif)

I'll be OK. Really.

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

from Pat at

from Pat at screwloosechange:

The Blogger Is Always the Last To Know

Looks like I've repented my Debunker ways and have become a 9-11 Denier, according to this new blog:

It's a new day for this Brainster. For those of you who haven't heard already, James and I have decided to go separate ways. I wish him luck. We had a great run with Screw Loose Change, made a lot of waves, shook up the Internet, but, due a difference of opinion about approach, this is for the best.

I know this blog appears to be attacking my roots. Well, I guess it is, but not the mission of exposing the propaganda, but the MEANS we used. It seemed reasonable at first, all's fair in love and war, as they say. But then we lost our way, drifting from exposing "Loose Change" and it's distortions, that now even the creator's admit, to attacking any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever.

This comes as news to me; I guess the shrink was right when he said I have a split personality disorder. ;)

Actually, of course, this is exactly the same as the fake Nico Haupt blog; somebody's impersonating me for their own idiotic purposes.

A bunch of the Deniers have fallen for this gag, including Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet.

Labels: Fake Blog, Screw Loose Change Exposed

oh great, a Screw Loose Change truth movement!

This is why it's counterproductive to acknowledge garbage like Screw Loose Change in the first place. And me like an idiot yet again believed what I read on prison planet without verifying it...

In any case, it's just more evidence that no matter how much one tries to leave the holocaust out of the discussions here it will always find a way to creep back in so that the subject can be rehashed over and over.

"Holocaust denial" is a nonsense term and is used for one purpose alone--to attempt to discredit anyone who looks into the real history of either the Holocaust or 9/11. 9/11 was designed precisely to be America's little holocaust--just one more manufactured "shared value" to make Americans feel common cause with Israel.

Instead, we should feel common cause with Israelis (Jewish, Muslim, and eveything else) who are just as much victims of fake terror as we are, though not nearly as victimized as the Muslims of the world who, like Kevin Barrett says, are being subjected to their own blood libel by being framed for 9/11.

All of this drama is just indirectly demonstrating the fact that Israel had a major if not the major state role in 9/11, as the preponderance of the evdience shows.

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Your days of credability are over...

... in so far as harrassing RT as a holocaust denier.

You were NO WHERE when SLC was hit by Paul, even though I gave you the links.

You were NO WHERE when Concrete Man posted, our only genuine h.denier--who is ALWAYS rated down to invisability.

As a result it looks like you've been assigned to harrass RT whenever you have an opportunity. That's what it LOOKS like. FYI.

Behave, and I WON"T keep reminding you about your "inconsistant" concern about Holocaust denial. :-(

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RE: Paul at SLC I remember

RE: Paul at SLC I remember suggesting that you should apply the same standards you hold for others to yourself. I've never seen a post by Concrete Man, or none that I recall.

As to my crediblity with you I'm not very concerned, and please feel free to remind me of whatever you like.

You've been with us over 22

You've been with us over 22 weeks and a person like you who's SO concerned about Holocaust denial NEVER noticed Concrete Man?

Not paying very close attention then , are you. This wanker would fill up whole pages with his rubbish, and then we'd fill up whole pages rebutting him--until a) we got wise that was his intent and b) dz added the show/hide feature.

Wow, you couldn't miss Concrete Man--if your purpose was REALLY to feret out Holocaust denial. So, either you're VERY unobservant--and therefore probably not the best person to try to analyze someone's intentions-- or, you ARE here JUST to harrass RT.

Either, or--you choose.

And the point with Paul, "fellow truther", is you would have jumped in if that was REALLY your deal--and you were NO WHERE TO BE SEEN.

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When I looked Concrete Man

When I looked Concrete Man has been registered for 7 weeks and hasn't posted a blog entry. But if I see him around I'll be sure to tell him to go to hell. I notice that none of this has anything to do with what RT said or my response to him.

I'm not registered at SLC and I'm not going to register there. Also I think you were disingenous there and here both.

Keep making excuses, sunshine

You don't have to register at SLC--it's a Blogger site. Anyone with a Blogger blog or Google account can comment.

And you were motivated enough to register HERE---I'd think with a rampaging Holocaust denier loose, the 1 or 2 minutes it would take to open a Google account, presuming you don't have one--would be worth it. It's for your cause and all.

Now who's being disingeneous?

You're not really "Chippy" are you? He also pretends he "knows not the ways of the Internet"....

Basiclly, this is where you're at: you're not willing to get a truther's back, don't expect us to get yours or to take your complaints seriously. And from this point forward all complaints of alledged holocaust denial you make about people will now be seen as, hmm, what's the word....? Ah! DISINGENEOUS! Disingeneous tot! And I'll be happy to link to this coversation if you forget yourself in future.

Have a nice day. :-)

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Are you the Queen of England?

Listen, it's very simple. I don't have a Google or Blogger account, I felt no need to register in order to comment about a Holocaust denier whose comments had been removed, or rail against the invisible. I stumbled upon the exchange after the fact. Also and finally I don't care if SLC has Holocaust deniers on its board.

You wrote: "From this point forward all complaints of alleged holocaust denial you make about people will now be seen as, hmmm, what's the word...? Ah! Disingenuous."

I enjoy how you persistently make these sorts of declarations. Have you been elected to some position of authority somewhere? Are you the Queen of England? Please do link to this conversation any time, but, since there is no rational reason for me to care about your declaration, I'll continue to object to Real Truther's Holocaust denial whenever he starts spouting.

" I stumbled upon the exchange after the fact."

No, you didn't! I gave you the links as soon as I saw you posting during the weekend! One was to SLC and the other was to Jon Gold's blog about the Arizona Conference!

And when I have time to hunt them down, I'll post them. Until then, BEHAVE.

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You gave me the links by

You gave me the links by commenting on this board? I distinctly remember that when I followed the links to SLC the denial comments have been taken down. Furthermore, I don't care about what goes on over SLC. Finally none of this is remotely significant or relevant. Questioning the motives of the messenger doesn't change the content of RT's posts and comments on this blog. He's a Holocaust denier and conflates 9/11 research with Holocaust denial consistently.

I'm done talking with you about this.

Yeah, yeah..WHATEVER

Just BEHAVE.

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So what I hear you saying is that

it's not so much Holocaust denial per se or the conflation of Holocaust denial and 9/11 Truth (which goes on at SLC on a daily basis) that moves you to action, but RT's Holocaust denial (sic) and RT's conflation (sic) of Holocaust denial (sic) with 9/11 Truth.

I very much agree that you should be done talking about this.

OUCH!

She doesn't mix it up much, but, when she does it stings!

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No cliques here, eh? Let me

No cliques here, eh?

Let me explain my position, casseia, not for you, but for whoever might be reading this exchange.

I feel no need to defend the reputation or operations of SLC from Holocaust deniers or trolls. Furthermore, impugning my motives in no way changes what RT's position is. RT conflates Holocaust denial with 9/11 and denies the that the Holocaust occured. I stand against Holocaust deniers who attach themselves to movements that I'm a part of, and I've confronted others on this very board who have taken nearly identical position to RT's position.

Now, let's discuss your motives. Why is it that you feel the need to defend RT when he 1) denies the Holocaust occurred, or 2) conflates Holocaust denial with 9/11 Truth?

"Not for you, but for whoever else might be reading..."

I think the whole idea of Holocaust "denial" is bankrupt.

I have always found RT willing to argue the issues on their own merits (or lack thereof).

It's a lot easier to believe in cliques than to think several people disagree with you because they have independently concluded that you're wrong -- in ideas and/or in behavior.

I do consider the both of them friends and I do know one off the board. I think we're all quite a bit too bullheaded to successfully form a clique -- you draw your own conclusions.

I am now done with this thread. We'll see if misterguy has a need to have the last word.

My Last Word is simply to repeat your Last Words

You wrote: "I think the whole idea of Holocaust 'denial' is bankrupt."

I think so too, and I'm not afraid to say it.

I'm still looking for a REAL Holocaust denier; it would actually be a bit of a relief to find one. So far they keep turning out to be either honest researchers or goofy agents provocateur.

Maybe this time will be the exception. You say RT denies the Holocaust. Can you provide any links to substantiate that?

"STAND AND DELIVER!" :-)

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Sure. Here's what Real

Sure. Here's what Real Truther claims:

"Issue number 2: The numbers are inflated. Note they say "the extent described by current scholarship" You know why they say that? Because the numbers have already had to be revised down. The managers of the Auschwitz memorial had to change a plaque because it overstated the number killed there by millions. That's simply a fact.

Issue number 3: Not even revisionists deny that the Nazis rounded up Jewish people. They question whether places like Auschwitz were literally "extermination camps" where people were taken to be killed en masse. In fact they were taken there to work. They were considered prisoners of war and they were used as slave labor. Nothing nice about it. They died in great numbers, mainly from disease. There were no "huge ovens" just regular crematoria.

Issue number 4: Gas chambers were used to delouse clothing and other supplies--lice were a major problem as they spread typhoid, from which a large number of inmates did die. The gas chamber at Auschwitz has a peculiar history, as can be seen in the documentary by David Cole, who is himself Jewish: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9176742040462080597&q=auschwitz

David Cole was threatened by the JDL after making his documentary, the FBI categorizes the JDL as a terrorist organization (responsible for bombings in the US) They posted his name, picture, and address online and suggested that he should be "dealt with" until he publically "recanted" and claims he was suffering from self-hatred.

Deal with these facts however you want, but it's clear that there is more to the holocaust (or less maybe) than is generally known. This is not denial, it is literally revision, and as we know from 9/11, revisionism is not inherently evil. The exploitation of the admitted tragedy that befell Jews during WW2 is clearly documented by Norman Finkelstein, whose own parents survived concentration camps. In other words, they were not exterminated. The fact that even his work is maligned by people like those responsible for www.masada2000.org should make it clear that there is a reason why holocaust revision is treated like it was pure evil."

And here's a link to a page describing Holocaust denial.
http://nizkor.org/

And here's a page that describes how Holocaust deniers have attached themselves to 9/11 skepticism.
http://www.oilempire.us/holocaust-denial.html

Your "Last Word", huh?

Thought you had that five posts ago.

So this is your last, last word? Or your last, last, LAST word?

;-P

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Okay, mates...a little caution, please...

Remember, we can't take ANYTHING a "debunker" or alledged "debunker" says at face value.

If true, yeah, it's amazing. If it's fake--mind the SLC lot have been having Nico impersonators semi-contantly crashing their comments-- it's ballsy as hell.

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The screw loose change Psy-op..lets call it that

Another tactic Pat? CIA tactic..seems to fit the profile. You wanna fight and rehash the whole Holocaust denial thing. I got one thing to say..Leave. The Holocaust happened..and now, I'll be like Forrest Gump and reply; "Thats all I got to say about that." Now, next subject; 9/11 blogger is named 9/11 blogger for a reason. Need a clue for what it is.? Here's one; The events dealing with 9/11. Here's another clue for you; We know there were disinfo sites setup by the one and only CIA (what a wonderful agency!..NOT!!) to resemble truth sites, and part of those sites push....hmmm, lets see..Holocaust denial? It's then linked to this one and viola! We are tainted. Well your tactics are getting predictable and easier to spot, 'cuz this is how people like You work it..creating endless circles of debate that has nothing to do with what this site is for...9/11!!! Stick to the subject at hand, which is 9/11, You wanted to expose Loose change? Instead of the government? You had more concern with exposing something that had attempted to show inconsistancy within the official story, than actually digging into why so many things were covered up, civil liberties compromised, something that reveals the official story reeks.Shows where your priorities are. That speaks volumes in itself.

The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

Anyway...

Whether or not there are holocaust deniers among truthers, or if the USA really landed men on the moon, or if Oswald acted alone. Who really cares if there are inaccuracies in Loose Change? What does any of it matter. All of the inaccuracies in the world can't suspend the laws of physics for one day in september, sorry. Do you people realise how short time is? Do you people realise 9/11 is but one of a slew of things that have happened, and that will happen, and merely marks the beginning of the end of this republic? We have no time to give a fucking rats ass about SLC, their bullshit site, their bs squabbles and heart rending break-ups - WHO GIVES A FUCK?! The republic is dying! Wake the fuck up. We all claim to be "awake" and promoting truth, well thats great, but let us not forget the big picture here - the republic is in cardiac arrest and flat-lining on the friggin table, and 9/11 is just one little piece of a plan that has been in motion for hundreds of years! Screw SLC. Screw pointless debates and squabbles. I hope the disinfo pieces of trash, the gov spooks, and all the traitors to this nation die a slow horrible painful death. Aside from that we need to get on with defending our republic from these jackals, and avoid all this other bullshit.

Sorry to rant but for fuck sake already...

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