Breaking News: Rosie Making a Statement?

Alex Jones is reporting that Rosie might be making a statement outside the ABC studios at the support rally that is currently underway.

If you're in the area, please join the rally in front of the studio.

Demonstration of Support for Rosie O'Donnell
March 21st Wednesday – 9:30am
Outside ABC The View Studios
320 West 66th Street , just past West End Ave., NYC

You can listen to Alex Jones' broadcast live here:

This is HUGE

tune into alex jones right now!

I spoke too soon

I guess Rosie left and isn't making a statement.
Now Alex has like 3 people chanting "9/11 Was an inside job!"

Doesn't sound so huge afterall.

don't vote me down!

come on I was just letting people know, Rosie didn't make the statement! No reason to vote down my post.

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Looks like to Mo-Fo's have buried it anyway...

I hate Digg and Buzz now and have only been a member for a few days...

I suppose we can only keep trying... Someday we'll be able to de-bury ourselves,,,

Raise dead zombie diggs ;-)

Cheers for the HTML tip S4...

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But if you digg it from this page it will have a better chance to become popular (so I'm told).

Find it by scrolling down to: "Police Harass 9/11 Truthers Outside ABC Studios"

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Never mind. Looks like the weasels buried it.
"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

The View

Alex just reported that he has been told that Rosie made a statement today on The View. He followed his report by saying, "let's see if they edit it out".

The protest video will be posted tonight on

OT: Found this via

Activism and Risk - Life beyond Altruism -- truly an excellent read!

It's now official -- I'm a radical :-(

I don't know how this will go over with Barbara Walters. She

seems to have Zionist/Neocon tendencies & is executive producer of the show.

Barbara Walters is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations

Barbara Walters is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. So no, I don't think she would be a supporter of 9/11 truth.

Go, Rosie, GO!!!

Hope this isn't the end for her on The View. :(

If it is...

It will speak VOLUMES.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


yeah, this is huge.
It's interesting seeing the media stay away from this. I'm thinking it might have a lot to do with her focus on WTC7 specifically, since any mention of it in the MSM, if even to discredit Rosie, would enlighten a lot of people to the notion of a third unknown building collapsing - something most people STILL don't know about.

Way to go, Rosie. Fun seeing the mainstream media so obviously complicit in all of this. Disgusting.


WTC 7 is definitely a banned topic at the ABC News message board. Everytime -- and I mean EVERYTIME -- it is mentioned there, the related post and/or thread (yes, the entire thread) is deleted.

I set up a thread there yesterday to discuss Rosie coming out in favor of 9/11. Within an hour it was gone!


I don't know why I find that shocking with what we all know, but WOW. Amazing to literally see it removed from a message board by just mentioning it....and a "NEWS" message board of all places.

What a world.
Has it really come to this?


It has really come to this. We are living in very dark times.

It HAS really come to this!

Here is my blog on the subject:

And I'm certain they're deleting still. I have been posting like a madman over there to no avail.

Almost everything I say gets whacked out of existence by the moderators. Yet strangely, they have yet to delete my account.

WOW Alex is in rare form.....

He's in WAR mode.......lololol. Never heard him quite so worked up. Everybody write their thanks to Rosie and plead to her to make a big splash.

Rosie is my new hero, Alex Jones is great, & Luke is fantastic!

I only caught the end of the coverage on Alex's radio show, but it sounded like the best truth publicity in a long time!

(P.S. I suggest Rosie, Luke, & other leading truthers remain cautious, as I'm sure NSA/CIA are tapping phones, eavesdropping, fabricating smear tactics, fomenting dissent against them, etc.)

(P.P.S. Please give us more advanced notice of upcoming demonstrations like these when possible, and I'm sure many more truthers will show-up in person!)

Hell yeah Alex!

You tell em! He REALLY gave it to the NWO today.

I still can't get over that last segment...

Thank God for Alex Jones.


I checked out the new WTC7 building last week. It is HUGE & I was suprised that is was already built. Anyway, I started talking to a young lady who just came out of the building & asked her if she know's anything about her building being so controversial. She said yeah she's heard that crazy stuff & i told her she really needs to watch the video of the old building coming down. It doesn't make sense (She has never even seen it) She also works w/ Silverstein & said he's is a good guy. Good guy??? I was suprised this guy was operating in public.

Another weird thing is around the construction site of the "freedom tower" there is two lists of all the victims of 9/11. Instead of saying victims, the words HEROS of 9/11 is engraved. I thought that word choice was very wrong. They are innocent victims.

The rescue workers who died

The rescue workers who died on 9/11 were heroes as were many of the people inside the towers who helped others escape.

NYPD should be ashamed

Those traitors at the 20th Precinct should be ashamed of themselves! We need to send them a box of pocket constitution booklets, so they can be reminded of the oath they took: to uphold the LAW and THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Luke is a patriot, unlike the traitorous officers (named publically). The police did nothing but cause a problem, and caused RO to not come out. How pathetic.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Among those murdered on 9/11 were 343 firefighters & at least

60 cops! The 20th Precinct are basically spitting on their graves.

this is just messed

this is just messed up.

This morning, starting at 9:00 AM in the morning, joined a protest in front of the lobbies of "The View" (Rosie O'Donnell, ABC), NYC...

...After a few unsuccessful attempts at the lobbie entries on opposite sides of the building, finally at around 11:30 AM, was able to get a DVD with 100 of the best 9/11 Video MashUps (incl. evidence on 9/11 TV Fakery) personally delivered to O'Donnell with help of "Freddie", a flower delivery guy, who sticked the DVD and a leaflet into a flower buquet present for Rose and promised to hand it over...

...According to Tom Foti, one of the organizers, most of the photo- and video footage of the protest will be exclusively released at later today....

Text message of 911tvfakery leaflet:

What about ABC7's
"9/11 TV Fakery" Cover-Up,
Rosie ?
Ask Don Dahler!

The DVD included 100 of the latest best 9/11 Video Mash-Ups (1.3 gb).
Cover and Back Cover included a graphic of the Infiltration of the 9/11 "Truth" Movement and a recent video collage of Fred aka BSR of the best 9/11 Video Mashup thumbnails....

Rosie sounds pretty well informed...

so though that is annoying, it's not cause for despair.

What a shame.

What a shame.


should start posting warnings to Rosie's message boards about all the organized disruption and disinformation out there.

now that Rosie has gone on the record on 9/11 she should expect these disruptions.

i agree, ive already pleaded

i agree, ive already pleaded with her to put the REAL scholars website up on her links page instead of the Fetzer one. i saw many others doing the same. the way she is so focused on WTC7 shows me that she knows what shes talking about and wont be pulled into some no-plane type bullshit though. she seems to have her head on straight.

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and it shows that you have not visited...

Cos she does not link to

She links to

Chris is right...

Best wishes

No Rosie mistakenly has

No Rosie mistakenly has "" on her site, rather than which does actually give you the choice between disinfo and credible research. gives you no such choice, it’s a direct link to credible info mixed in with absurd crap.

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This is apparently “Rick


Get off this site please, you're not wanted.

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Can I interview you for my new film?

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this is such bad english

it is impossible to discern what you are trying express.


For some reason it wouldnt let me edit I do have bad English what i wanted to say was that the people who promote TV fakery is geting acess to Rosie before the real truthers why? They get to pass out there DVDS inside the studio Why?

good questions

it appears that Tom Foti is the new organizer in NYC since Les Jamieson was deposed.

As some of you may remember Nico Haupt was video-taped disrupting an event at St Marks church in NYC. Many people who viewed that tape asked why Tom Foto appeared to be enabling and appeasing Haupt during that incident - as opposed to simply asking him to leave (once the obscenities started to fly).

Mr Jamieson and Father Frank Morales have now both publicly stated that they view Tom Foti as part of an organized disruption campaign - as well as claiming that Foti appears to be working in concert with Haupt.

Additionally, Mr. Foti's own emails indicate his continued joint-activism with activist Peggy_Carter (as she is known here) who is known for her pro-TVFakery positions and rabid anti-Stephen Jones diatribes and attacks. Additionally, it is also known that another NY activist CB_Brooklyn is a member of this group of NY activists.

It is also interesting to note that all of Mr. Foti's emails regarding the Les Jamieson situation copy Dr. James Fetzer as well. Why Mr. Foti chooses to include Dr Fetzer in his correspondence is somewhat of a mystery.


While Foti organized this protest at ABC, he certainly is not responsible for the actions of the TVFakery group in delivering these materials to Rosie O'Donnell that self-admitedly includes material on "The infiltration of the 911 Truth movement" - which we can only assume is consistent with Mr. Haupt's previous attacks.

But - given the disruptions and hostility demonstrated by the TVFakery crew, and now Mr. Foti's very visible self-representation as a 911 Truth activist in NYC - i think it is only appropriate that he be willing to take a position on exactly what his affiliations are.

I agree

I agree If you study the Vietnam war movement this same thing happened with infiltration in all ranks of promotion. We should question everyone and look at both sides with integrity and a totally opened mind
TV fakery is absolute nonsense and it does a tremendous damage to the movement, to the people that are on the fence They will be pushed to think all of the every alternate theory is nonsense and believe the ultimate lie the official one

Show "Albanese Attempting Another Lie about me." by Peggy Carter

oh well

maybe i got that wrong.

but you are indeed a Haupt supporter and no-planer who has accused me of so many things i've lost track.

but perhaps i overstepped my bounds claiming you are against Jones. sorry about that.

You can't edit once

someone has responded to your post. Just fyi.

So, could anyone give a breakdown of what went down? Or point me to an archive link of AJ's show?

more evidence

That no plane tv fakery people are an operation to poison the 9/11 truth movement.

and here's more evidence

if this is not an intentional smear campaign - what is?



Gee someone has a lot of time and money...

holy shit

that website is ridiculous.

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush

I take it that "tv fakery" is that Nico Haupt disinfo bullshit

that claims the 2nd plane to hit the WTC was a cartoon image of some sort?

That arrogant, Nazi-like propaganda artist Haupt is really getting on my nerves!

I've made a list

of about 31 examples and tactics used by these people...

Expose their tactics and they become much less effective.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."


can you post some of your list?

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush

It's undergoing revisions

but here it is in its current form:

9/11 Truth and Disinformation: Definitions and Examples

I quote the foremost expert on disinformation of course... Jim Fetzer.

In this day and age, we all have to become experts on disinformation.

Jim Fetzer, Disinformation: The Use of False Information

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."



These scumf*cks make me

These scumf*ckers make me want to vomit, unbelievable.


at least we're getting to

at least we're getting to the point where most truthers know that tv fakery and space beams are actually TRYING to hurt the Movement and most of us distance ourselves from this garbage.
We have to keep pushing the facts and if people want to look like idiots, fine. But they aren't associated with the real movement and we all know that!
There's been a lot less trolls on 9/11 Blogger lately, anyone notice?
They know their garbage isn't working anymore!
I made a huge breakthrough with my millionaire brother last night when he flew in to visit the family. We had a huge argument and by the end he was at a loss for words and had a look on his face that I could be right after all these years of arguing.

"But they aren't associated

"But they aren't associated with the real movement and we all know that!"

I totally agree, but we have to make sure everyone else knows that. The message seriously needs to get out there that the VAST majority of us DON'T support the disinfo and the nutbags who push it.

Can you imagine

the public outroar if we somehow can PROVE that there are modern day cointelpro operations taking place in america now?

The ACLU has basically proven that PETA was targeted in almost the identical way 911 Truth is now. If you visit their website they have all the accounts of disruptors exposed as agents, smear campaigns, etc etc.

It appears that the big difference (from the 1960s) is that cointelpro today is no longer an FBI operation. It is Pentagon/Intelligence.

Civil liberties and executive privilage and the Patriot Act are all becoming big topics of debate again in America. Congress is starting to roll back some of the 'special powers' the FBI has taken. There is blood in the water. NOW is the time to strike and expose this. If we can PROVE that our tax dollars are going towards harassing and disrupting peaceful movements in america - and violating our civil liberties - this could be a big story that will put 911 Truth on the map.

Exactly, this is such a key

Exactly, this is such a key angle and one that needs to be pursued for multiple equally valid reasons!

How do we do it?

Hire private investigators?

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That is exactly what I was

That is exactly what I was going to say. Someone should follow these people or something to see who they associate with or something. This is getting to be rediculous.

I'm against the government tapping phones, but someone should independently tap these people's phones. Are there any wanna-be Veronica Mars' out there? I would try to do it myself if I lived in the area. I want to know if they actually believe what they promote or if they're COINTELPRO.

a very quiet effort

is underway through appropriate channels.

if you are interested in this subject you should check out the ACLU's website on PETA.

if you want to personally get involved you need to coordonate activists to lodge MULTIPLE complaints with the ACLU. the more complaints they receive from different geogrpahical location - the more compelling the case becomes.



a shame

its a bloody shame that this disinfo garbage is the only thing that gets on mainstream media. its so obviously disinfo. we need to completely dissociate with it. ignore all of their posts and keep spreading the facts that we can prove, and they will be defeated.

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush


Next thing you know, they'll be saying that there weren't really any towers there to begin with.

Whenever I see "TV Fakery"

My blood boils.

I cannot STAND those no planers! Argh!
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth”
~ George W. Bush

Rosie might be fired...

No, I don't know this for sure but I think we are going to hear tomorrow that Rosie is done with the View as of today.
If I am wrong then GOOD. But with this "mystery announcement" and it being during the Friday taping of the View, I have a funny feeling she got canned from ABC for her views.

Hope I am wrong, but I just have that tingly feeling right now...

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


i really like your signature on your comments. its great. so very true...

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush


thanks :)

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Hope it's Good

It's Rosie's Birthday


If she does get fired for her views on 9/11, it will get huge press coverage and will be good for the movement. I don't think she cares if she gets fired over this.

Police Harass 9/11 Truthers Outside ABC Studios

A New York Post reporter was also outside the studios attempting to talk to O'Donnell after she reportedly mentioned 9/11 truth again on her show today. It remains to be seen whether the statement is edited out of the episode which is set to air tomorrow, but sources inside The View expect that to be the case.

That articled needs to

That article needs to include the agent provocateur Cointelpro F*CKTARDS and how they actually catalysed the problem by the sound of things.

I am very leery of the NY Post as it is owned by Rupert Murdock.


for the first time in almost

for the first time in almost over 3 weeks, Rosie had chosen not to address 9/11 questions in her Q & A.... Is she backing away folks? maybe we all pushed to hard and we should give her some breathing room.

what you guys think?

She has more going on in her life than 9/11 Truth

and doesn't want her Q&A to be all about 9/11.


We should continue to give her support, but let her do her own thing at her own pace (she will anyway).

I'm concerned that we spend too much time and energy focussed on celebrities and are diverting ourselves from our primary task of waking up the general public one-on-one in the street. This is where we are going to win, celebrities can be very helpful, but we are, first and foremost, a grassroots movement.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Marvin Bush mentioned in today's Q&A

About 3/4 the way down at :

misstraceynolan writes:

I just wikied Marvin Bush. WTF?!?! The plot thickens. Keep speaking the truth.

wtf is right


i think she maybe feels too pressured, and thats why she backed out of coming and speaking to the truthers.

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush

Was Nico Haupt there

Was Nico Haupt there disrupting again and giving the police an excuse to arrest people?


i heard luke mention him by name.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

That was Ryan

who mentioned Haupt -

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Rosie: Keep Rockin

I bet she is under some REAL pressure right now. I think we should just all send our support in any way we can. I managed to shoot her a quick message in the "ask ro" section of her site before she shut it down. I wonder if she knows of this site.. We should just be as supportive as possible.

Go Ro!!

Our good friend...

From the Phoenix New Times has something to say about Rosie. Can you count the lies?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Jon, He does make a good

Jon, He does make a good point though: Rosie is a fat blah blah blah bitch.
Since she is fat, there is no way 9/11 could have been an inside job.
These debunkers are so eloquent in their manner and speech and so insightful when it comes to the truth!
Thanks, Mr. Lemons for showing us the light!
Rosie is fat!!!





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Nico Haupt DOES get attention from the mainstream press. The Rolling Stone article and Vanity Fair and The Washington Post and Der Spiegel and many many many many many other articles.

do not start accusing people here of enabling him.

I forgot about Rolling Stone

and didn't know about the others. So maybe I'm wrong.

Matt Talibi in Rolling Stone did not discuss TV Fakery at all, just Haupt as "wild-eyed lunatic."

The Washington Post discussed Nico and no planes, after Griffin, who was treated the same way - with disdain. Reynolds appears also, with one of his weakest arguments - hired actors. Are we to believe Reynolds did not discuss the impossible crash physics with the WaPo reporter?

I couldn't find Nico in Vanity Fair and don't want to buy the Der Speigel article I can't read.

Enabling him is better than what I said above, which was an accusation. You are exaggerating the effect of his actions, are giving him more attention than he would otherwise get. I would think you would want to avoid that.

There is no defense for haupt.

There is no defense for haupt. He is a liar and a fake. No "activist" wastes as much time hurling ad-hominems and personal attacks at other researchers instead of doing research himself on 9/11. I'd rather ignore him and his comments if possible. His "research" is laughable.

In fact his accusations are far worse than anything others have thrown back at him. I don't see how anyone can defend this.

And although you may not be aware of this, there is a disinformation movement and it is deliberate. Personal insults and "poisoning the well" tactics are the M.O. of these people. And yes I think he is part of it.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

That's fine

I guess I am defending him, because we share a view I think is important, but you make the point I was trying to make - isn't it better to ignore him and his comments if you disagree with them? If the M.O. is personal insults and "poisoning the well," it seems that responding makes it more effective. And I still think that the effect of so-called "outlandish" theories on the credibility of the 9/11 movement as a whole is way overblown, and serves to chill valid inquiry.

Haupt was also featured in a big New York Magazine article a

while back, in which he made himself & the 9/11 truth movement look foolish.

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Just curious

you regularly contribute to a website that run posts (for example) that accuse me of being in Al Qaeda and suggest that i be taken to a black site to be tortured.

Do you support this? Do you think this is fair? Do you think this is reasonable?

why would you be affiliated with a site that incites violence against activists in this way?

just curious - since you are an "oh so reasonable guy"

John, please get over yourself

I thought your satirical response to the KSM confession was witty and well-done, and wish you would stick to that kind of work.

I think it's a bit creepy that you monitor me. Yes, I have posted some at 911 Researchers. My understanding of that whole deal with Fred was that he was using satire. As I recall, and I could be wrong, but it was you that started things by accusing people who make arguments you disagree with of being accomplices to war crimes and subject to prosecution. I know that is different from torture, but if I recall, Fred's logic was that war crimes prosecution for this government means Gitmo and torture. I forget the whole deal, but it was obviously satire and Fred's explanation made sense. It was one incident, involving one person, not multiple "activists," so how about getting over it?

Don't you have anything better to do than argue with people that you disagree with about these side issues? The John v. Nico shtick is getting really tiresome. It might as well be intentional - that was my point.

I already explained to Colonel Sparks that maybe I was wrong in saying she advocated violence, so how about backing off, John?

And what's your problem with me trying to be reasonable and discourage pointless infighting? Why would you have a problem with that?

Casseia had the right idea - big deal, Rosie can think for herself.


its satire to incite violence against people?

i do not think you have a sincere bone in your body.

it was not just one post - and subsequent posts have accused me of being tied to Al Qaeda and planning violence.

I do not believe your responses are sincere. no one could be that stupid.

I'm putting this here

because I have nothing to say to Ningen. I AM NOT taking sides. But I AM clairifying for the uninformed that this statement:

"I already explained to Colonel Sparks that maybe I was wrong in saying she advocated violence, so how about backing off, John?" bollocks. There was no "maybe". He was WRONG. Inspite of that, I offered a truce and this git pissed all over it--telling me I needed to "get over" something HE started and NEVER took responibility for. Only then did he give his luke warm, "maybe I might have done something vaguly incorrectly" "explaination".

Jenny doesn't have an abundance of olive branches--when I offer one, it isn't lightly.

Now, J.A. , I think you're overstating Ningen's case. It baffled me too, but Ningen really IS clueless about some things. My suggestion is to join me in ignoring him, since there seems to be nothing productive in the interaction.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


"it appears that Tom Foti is the new organizer in NYC since Les Jamieson was deposed. "

Can you explain the part about Les being deposed? I'm not as informed about all this as you guys are, but I did meet Les a bunch, and wondered about this.


Google "Les Jamieson Urantia"

it appears that Jamieson is associated with Urantia - but it also appears that Haupt has turned this fact into some ridiculous claim that Jamieson is working of OSS/Intelligence. Foti appears to have joined the chorus of insinuations on this matter.

is Nico Haupt clinically

is Nico Haupt clinically insane? I find it very doubtful he is an active disinfo agent. But to me it seems possible some agent could be feeding him LSD or speed in order to push him over the edge to become a patsy. It would not surprise me at all, he acts like someone with speed psychosis and looks/sounds like videogame movie director Uwe Bol . I think instead of referring to him by name we should just call him 'Meth-head-uwe-bol"


I hope you don't take this the wrong way...

I obviously don't believe everything I read on the internet, cause while I searched for that Les/Urantia thing, I found this...

"John Albanese, who wants to destablize with more limited hangout elements
(Pakistan 9/11 connection, Sibel Edmonds hangouts, "Stand-down" order hangouts and much more).
Rumour has it that he is brainwashed into a multiple identity concept, one of them claims, he's working for Canadian Intelligence.
We have to figure out if this is well-thought disinfo on purpose as well, for whatever resasons."

Again, I'm an outsider here, but I just visited a few websites, and apparently every single person in the movement is a double reverse agent working for the man.

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." is about to turn into "Don't believe anything you read on the internet."


that's what disruption is all about. its all about stirring the pot and making a mess out of the movement.

you have to consider the source.

Haupt's research and allies claim that no planes were used in the 911 attacks - and openly accuse witnesses of being liars. They also claim that the towers were brought down by space beams. and i was brainwashed by Canadian intelligence?

Canadian intelligence.

Canadian Intelligence? That's an oxymoron. Hahahaha. Have you seen our Prime Minister lately? Oh yeah, you have one too (an imbecile for a leader)
Awareness+ activism+ rebellion= New Paradigm.

John, I read somewhere that you & Haupt previously worked for

the same company or something. What's was that about?

Wow! Really?

Do tell, JA! Must be quite a story there...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

So how about letting the pot settle?

Why do you go on about this?

That's not half bad as a working premise.

"apparently every single person in the movement is a double reverse agent working for the man."

Especially in terms of people you only know online, you really have to keep this idea in the back of your mind. Yes, it's cognitive dissonance-inducing, but it's necessary. Things are not always what they seem and making a lot of noise about something negatively can be, in the final analysis, the same as making a lot of noise about something positively (in that both tactics result in bringing attention to the subject.)

I met both tom and les...

and I was in some conversations with them...I had a 5 minute conversation with tom. While I wouldn't put 100% confidence in either of them, I would be shocked to find out that they were intentionally sabotaging the movement. And I would certainly trust both of them over the words of someone on the internet who may or may not be Canadian intelligence.

So you disagree with

So you disagree with Albanese's assessment that exposing a COINTELPRO operation against the Truth movement would have a tremendously positive impact?

I think it should be OBVIOUS

that any attempts to disrupt the Truth movement that can be traced back to the "perps" will not be traceable to any branch of government. COINTELPRO really is over, and attributing actions to the Pentagon and military intelligence should immediately imply outsourcing and black budgets. In short, I think the idea of exposing a COINTELPRO op is a complete pipedream. I think the energy would be much better spent discovering ways to counter disruption ourselves.

The idea that Tom Foti is now "the leader" of NY 9/11 Truth is very disappointing -- not because it's Tom Foti (although I believe I was the first on this board to criticize his behavior at the infamous Haupt-disrupted meeting for the reasons to which John Albanese alludes) but because the idea of having a (single) leader is supremely counter-productive. Especially if disruption is a concern.

Come on! COINTELPRO tactics are still the bread-&-butter of

NSA/CIA/FBI, etc. They would never stop doing treacherous shit like COINTELPRO until they are totally disbanded, hopefully sooner than later!!!

Why wouldn't it be outsourced?

Look at how much stuff (probably including many aspects of 9/11) was outsourced to private parties.

Most likely

But if it is, there's a trail somewhere.

Where does it lead? 

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I would think that the

I would think that the discovery of private COINTELPRO operations would be as outrageous and important as tracing such operations back to the government especially in light of how private industry and the State are intertwined. Revelations of a Blackwater type organization that was involved in COINTELPRO operations would, in fact, be even more offensive and such organizations would be much more vulnerable to legal channels than any intelligence agency would be.

But assuming it's not libel or threats of violence

it would be protected speech, I would imagine. Scotch-taping pictures of poop to the wall would definitely be protected speech except insofar as the use of scotch tape was disallowed on the walls of the building.

its not a free speech issue

the disinfo assclowns will be the first to invoke the 1st amendment.

it is an issue of the government directly - or indirectly - using our tax dollars to intentionally infiltrate, harass and slander peaceful american citizens.

he 1stt amendment is not a blank check for our government to harass us.

I'm not sure about this, but

I'm not sure about this, but I think the trouble is that if the COINTELPRO operation was outsourced to private corporations, then the agents and agency would have the same rights as real people. The corporate intelligence agency would be protected by the constitution. So even if it was shown that a company paid people to infilitrate a citizen group that wouldn't be an illegal act, just a reprehensible one. Harassment and slander would still be actionable items, but I wonder about infiltration.

Check this out:
"Since then the stock in trade of the youth culture industry has been the selling of “cool” as a commodity. The problem this poses to the media conglomerates is that what is considered cool is always changing. Today’s fashion is tomorrow’s cultural trash. To combat this upward curve, the media giants hire specialized marketing agencies devoted to analyzing the teen consumer. These marketers have developed tactics designed to infiltrate the innermost sanctum of teen culture (Gladwell 2000). Their tactics are not dissimilar to the ones utilized by the CIA and FBI in their intelligence gathering: spying and surveillance (Garfinkel 2000)."
"Marketing agencies regularly employ teenagers to spy on other teenagers. Their job is to document with video cameras, still cameras, and tape recorders the thoughts, attitudes, fears and hopes of their peers. In short, they are “culture spies,” hired to inform marketers of every subtle nuance of teen expression (Dretzin & Goodman 2001). The media conglomerates use this information to craft sales strategies designed to penetrate every facet of teen culture, including movies, music, video games, magazines, books, DVDs, and the Internet. In this way, they are better able to leverage their cultural influence on teens by selling and promoting their products via all of their varied media divisions simultaneously (Dretzin & Goodman 2001)."

I'll admit that kites would

I'll admit that kites would be very tough to catch, however if any corporate spy were to be caught trespassing, stalking, or harassing members of a Truth organization they would be easier to prosecute than a CIA or Pentagon intelligence officer who can hide behind national security.

And even without prosecution if we could demonstrate that someone was on SCIP's payroll, for instance, that would have a tremendous impact.

Yes, and what a wonderful diversion

from the murders of 9/11. Even if legal action is possible, such activity does not necessarily show complicity in the murders - an easy explanation would be they were hired by some misguided wealthy patriot, because of his concern that the "9/11 Deniers" were hurting the country's morale during wartime. It's a dead end, and talking about it is a diversion from the real issues of 9/11 - who did what that day.

Aren't you due back

on 911Researchers?

They are having a lively debate about space beams and no-plane theories.

What if the exposing

makes the effect of the operation stronger?


The only way COINTELPRO was exposed was because...
" On March 8, 1971, the FBI agency in Media, Pennsylvania, was broken into by members of a group called ‘The Citizens Commission to Investigate the F.B.I.' Documents stolen in the break-in were widely circulated and published by the press. Since some of the documents carried the "COINTELPRO" caption -- a word unknown outside the Bureau -- Carl Steru, a reporter for NBC, commenced a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit to compel the Bureau to produce other documents relating to the programs. This then resulted in a congressional investigation headed by Frank church known as The Church Committee. Without the theft of these documents the public may never have known the full scale and philosophy of these covert operations."
(This is a segment from a paper I worte for University)

Breaking into government buildings and stealing documents does not seem like a viable option, it would most likely backfire. All we can do is understand the tactics they use, identify those who are obvious, and dissassociate with them. They WILL definately be stepping up their disruptions as the truth movement gets more mainstream. A common tactic used in Cointelpro type operations is committing or promoting illegal and violent actions. This may be used as a last ditch effort to discredit the movement and quell dissent. DONT BE PARANOID, JUST KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.


Everyone should know this history. We need a new Citizen's Commission with updated tactics.

The organized disruption against this movement leads directly to the 9/11 perps.

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You guys are really weird sometimes

Can't you see why it's important to keep the website up and running? It gives you the option of going to the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice website that Dr. Steven Jones set up in order to give people an option away from the Scholars of 9/11 Truth.

The point of giving people an option is for the sake of diplomacy within the 9/11 Truth community.

But if it's of any comfort for all of you to know, I'm only a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.

Well that's true but...

Fetzer is a minority. He just wants to give everyone the fake impression that his group is comparable to the new scholars group. He likes to "pretend" it is a 50/50 split but it is not.

I joined the new scholars group... I didn't join the first because of the content of the website.

Believe it or not, disinformation CAN turn people off...

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