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Jim Fetzer, McKnight University Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, is the Founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. A former Marine Corps officer, he has published more than 20 books in the philosophy of science and the theoretical foundations of computer science, artificial intelligence, and cognitive science. He has made hundreds of talk show and dozens of television appearances about the death of JFK and the events of 9/11.

He maintains a pubic issues web site at assassinationscience.com, a JFK on-line journal for advanced study at assassinationresearch.com, and he supervised the web site for Scholars for 9/11 Truth at 911scholars.org.

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Rather than rant about how

Rather than rant about how disgusting it is to see Jim Fetzer standing on the shoulders of Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin knowing that he will use this platform to talk about "star wars beam weapons" I will instead just say this:

So long as Jim Fetzer associates with disinformationalist Judy Wood and espouses support for "star wars beam weapons" taking down the towers, he does not speak for me.

I am sure Fetzer will chime in saying he only supports investigating the theory and doesn't necessarily believe totally in the "DEW" theory, but that shtick holds no weight now that he is promoting press releases putting such theories in front of NIST as though it represented even a fraction of this movement.

I will be sure to try to call in to this program.

Mixing with the real folks

He's also very prominently on the site that's listed so high on the list on the left -- patriotsquestion911.

Why is the person doing this kind of stuff being continually promoted by Alan Miller of that site? And why then, is that site being promoted on here when it mixes space beam advocates in with the real scientists and activists he is undermining?

I don't get it.

The link to the radio station . .

Hello folks, do you know who I would contact on this site to tell them I made a mistake about the link to the radio station.

It should be

www.live365.com/stations/ettarocom

Any information would be of great help!!

thanks,

MoreRockin

Undue attacks on Fetzer not correct

I think Jim Fetzer puts forth one very valid point that people are missing: The remaining mass of the towers, after the collapses, cannot be indicative of thermite/thermate and conventional explosives alone. Do I think they shot beams from outter space to vaporize the towers? No. Do I think that actual planes flew into the buildings? Yes. I think Jim Fetzer is merely open to all possibilities and has stated as such, and for it I think he is being unfairly ostrasized. I listen to his gcn broadcasts on tues,wed,thur and I have not heard him embrace the "no planes" stuff as probable, he only speculates that it could be possible. I think the real enemy here is that disinfo clown Morgan Reynolds, who is clearly attempting to lead Fetzer down the road to ruin via disinfo. My jury is still out on Judy Wood at this point so I will reserve comment. I have seen her site and at this point it seems nothing more than a bunch of photos without much explanations to her theories of DEW - more like a beta release thus far, so it remains to be seen what she comes up with.

So if the mass of the towers is missing, and they didnt use a DEW from space, than what could produce so much heat and energy to nearly gut the insides of those towers as the stood? Some speculate that a small scale fusion reaction device is possible. I am not a scientist, nor am I a structural engineer, but I can say that whatever was used to bring down the towers, it far exceeded the capabilities of thermate + explosives, the mass of the buildings was vaporized in such a way that the amounts of thermate and conventional hiexplosives needed is completely implausible - not to mention the audible detonations that would have occurred would be completely obvious, beyond the handful of "thuds" heard in the audio of various documentaries like 9/11 Eywitness.

My speculation is that both Fetzer and Jones are correct, as it is becoming obvious that there were several technologies at work that day. Just because we cant explain those technologies, as lay-people, doesn't mean they do not exist. Let us remember that most of us fisrt became aware of stealth aircraft technology at or around the opening of the first Gulf War, yet those technologies were in place and in the air in the late 1970's - a 10+ year gap to the collective consiousness. Is it so far outside the realm of possibility that the gov't hasnt already developed portable/small scale fusion devices?

Fetzer makes a much-to-do about the odd shaped "cookie cutter holes" in the surrounding wtc buildings as well as a sever gash in one of the buildings. I think most of that can be explained by falling debris (the giant outter wall sections) but I also think that if an underground fusion device/s was used to undermine the tower cores, that it could have effected the upright structural members in other parts of the complex, causing localized vertical collapses, producing the "holes" we see, without bringing down the entire structure (ie wtc 3,4,5,6)

All I am saying is that the possibilities are endless, and we shouldnt shun Fetzer for being open to them. Too many of the facts about the towers collapses go beyond Jones' theories, but we need to go further to explain everything that happened regarding the wtc 1 and 2 collapses.

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Actually

Jim Fetzer is a known purveyor of disinformation - not just in this movement - but in the JFK movement as well. He has a HISTORY of writing papers SPECIALIZING in the science of disinformation. In my opinion he is an intentional liar and fraud and has no place in this movement.

In your opinion...

thats fine, and in my opinion I havent seen Fetzer being a perveyour of provable disinfo. Maybe I am mistaken but I think its more likely he is misunderstood because he doesnt seem to jump on one set of theories and lock himself inside of that box. I have seen some of his stuff regarding jfk and again I dont see a disinfo campaign from him. Oh well, I dont think Jones' theories can explain everything, and fetzer seems to be attempting to fill in the gap, if that makes him a disinfo agent, that seems pretty odd.

Does anyone have links to Fetzer material that proves him to be a disinfo agent? I am willing to look at it and decide for myself.

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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

sure

read the link in the first comment about disinformation. There's plenty of evidence there.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6531

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Hey John,

Any update about the release of DIA? I can't wait to see it. Thanks