Open Thread/Grab Bag

"Recently, a slew of celebrities have come forward in support of a new 9/11 investigation. Not to be left behind, the Easter Bunny has joined the ranks of the inside-jobbers. He's gone public in a big way, and he wants everyone to know he won't be swayed from this new position. Bill O'Reilly may swear that he'll be ruined, but E.B. thinks the risk is worth it. After all, he says, "What's at stake here is the fate of the free world." He urges everyone who sees these photos to visit or, in Vermont, and begin their journey down the "rabbit hole"."

Thx, YT. Launches Entertainers Section

A Report on "Press for Truth" viewing

Reader's letter to South Bend Tribune, Re: Dyer

"The Canadian" covers MUJCA/Barrett

Thanks to everyone who sent stuff in.;_y...
Giuliani faces questions about Sept. 11
By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Rudy Giuliani's White House aspirations are inescapably tied to Sept. 11, 2001 — for better and for worse.


Nice one with the bunny. perfect timing...

Seen as though this is an open thread i though i should post this. Over the last couple of weeks the BBC has actually made some fantastic documentaries. It is not what 9/11 truthers want, in terms of opening the lid however it does do extreemly well in assessing the role of the media and the way they effectively control us.

The three part series of films provides an unorthodox, yet revealing way of looking at modern day society. The films also come highly recommended by me as the director, Adam Curtis is a damn legend, he consistently churns out spell bounding films like The Power Of Nightmares ,The Century Of The Self and The Mayfair Set. Enjoy…

The set of films are called 'THE TRAP' What Happened To Our Dreams Of Freedom?

 The films can be seen here:

anything but the whole truth is not the truth

it just makes no sense to believe that people who deny something as important as the truth about 9/11 are going to otherwise be on your side. as much as I learned from power of nightmares, for example, it is obviously missing a very important component and must tehrefore be taken with a grain of salt. how would that documentary have been difefrent if it were made honestly? i'd really like to know. anything these days that does not acknowledge or account for 9/11 truth is implicitly deceptive. no way around that.


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Do YOU know the TRUTH??!!

Nobody does.
At this stage of things it does NO good what so ever to be too elitist about a subject that hasn't been established
' beyond a reasonable doubt '.
Now I know YOU think you know;
your handle expresses that.
Maybe you should go to 911Reasearchers; THEY love headstrong opinionated Truth elitists who trash everything that isn't the WHOLE truth.
To be getting any airtime at all on the 9/11 subject is a good thing, and the coverage continues six years later thanks to ALL involved, except people who think that THEIR view of the TRUTH is the ONLY thing that should be brought up.
The trial will reveal the truth, the verdict may not;
but these days, keeping 9/11 on their lips is a FANTASTIC achievement; my sincere compliments to EVERYONE who keeps this alive, while 'Real Truther', your handle is a misnomer, don't let it go to your head brah.

Remember; Nixon never thought he'd be caught either !
9/11=PNAC Plot

i'm not sure what you're talking about

and your website is a bit busy. a list of 850 links, a button for people to send you cash, and a few ads. i'm all for exchanging critiques, you see. you seem to be channeling my friend Jessica, for that matter--is that you Jess? ;)

so anyway, i think YOU know that I KNOW that you know what I think of comments LIKE yours. you know?


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I agree that the whole truth

I agree that the whole truth is the only truth, but it is a good test of our individual ability to think well and independently when we can look at a mixed bag and take the wheat, leaving the chaff.

Unfortunately, we've been trained to swallow knowledge whole, few of us having been taught part of good learning, as an adult, it to learn when to NOT learn because you're hearing crap. It would be nice to just be able to trust a source entirely but if you think about it, that's never healthy--you should always be asking questions while you're listening, even if you agree with the basic premise.

As an aside, I annoy some of my friends: even when watching a film for fun, that I don't swallow it whole--rarely do I say, "that was fantastic!" without qualification. Some seem to think to have a good opinion you have to think it's perfect or not point out how it could be better--but that's passive thinking. Fans of genre fiction/movies might seem to be nuts in many ways but they're right in their appoach to what they love--just because you love it doesn't mean you let shite slide( Oi! Lucas!--the last three films SUCKED!)

That said it would be nice if this mental accuity could be turned towards politcs and problems in the real world.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

The last three did suck,

but I don't think I will tell him that the next time I see him (unless he asks me). I'm much more likely to ask him about 9/11.

Critical thinking skills are in an appalling state in this country. Even twenty years ago in my international relations program I remember students fresh out of high school having no clue about basic logic. I ended up helping one the professors tutor over half his students in logic I had been taught as a sophomore in high school.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

education (as opposed to indoctrination) is important

you have to hand it to Hugo Chavez, who despite not being perfect prioritized a couple of very important things that say a lot about his intentions--maximizing the literacy rate AND encouraging all citizens to study the country's constitution. imagine that--empowering your citizens to be able to think for themselves and know the law--basically putting your own fate as a leader in their hands--giving them the tools to depose you with no guarantee that they won't--THAT is pretty courGEOUS AND RIGHTEOUS, NO MATTER WHAT ELSE YOU MIGHT SAY ABOUT HIM.

IN aMERICA IT'S THE OPPOSITE--OOPS SORRY FOR THE ALL CAPS ANYWAY in AMerica they like to try to keep us as stupid as possible--even if we are intelligent we have to hunt down what's true and not true amidst innumerable mind rotting distractions. alas we will get what we collectively deserve, which shows how important it is not to give up on our misinformed fellow citizens. unfortunately the red/blue daddy/mommy party dichotomy ensures that each side just insults the other and basks in an unjustified sense of superiority (on BOTH sides)

as truthers it's fine to bash the professional debunkers, but as a rule we should try very hard (and it IS hard) to talk to people on whatever level we must to engage them. this blog is one thing--it's our turf, and we have to defend it fiercely sometimes. in public though we should do our best to avoid loud confrontation. i've found that maintaining a quiet and dignified presence with all the appropriate materials on hand is the best way to go. dressing like a fairly straightlaced "mainstream" type doesn't hurt either in most crowds, though of course there will be places and times when you will want to tailor your approach. i guess i'm thinking about this because this is it--we're hitting the mainstream and now it's time to put our best face forward.

onward truthers! we're so close!!

and every day it looks better for us--ONE. LAST. PUSH!!!


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Call NBC NOW!!!

Call and tell them to ask Joe not to have guests threaten to lynch people like Rosie O'Donnell who are simply expressing their right of free speech.

The NBC Television Network 30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112

Phone: 212-664-4444
Fax: 212-664-4085

Love The Truth Bunny !!!

Anybody want to start a 911 Truth Bunny Brigade !!!

Pretty ironic

That one of the mascots (E.B) for the worlds biggest hoax (Christianity) is protesting what is the 2nd biggest hoax (9/11).

Easter, Easter Eggs and the Easter Bunny aren't Christian

Easter derives from the ancient pagan fertility rites celebrating incarnations of the same (or closely related) fertility goddesses, i.e., Eostre and Queen Semiramis, a.k.a Ishtar (originally pronounced "Easter"), Astarte, Columbia, Venus, Juno, etc. (i.e., the woman who's image is used for the Freemasonic so-called "Statue of Liberty" and the Columbia Pictures logo). The Easter bunny and the Easter egg derives from the practices established by these pagan fertility goddess worshipers. Because of their prolific nature, rabbits (and hares) have long been associated with fertility and the goddess Ishtar. Ancient Babylonians used the symbology of an egg that fell into the Euphrates River from heaven and from which Astarte (another name for Ishtar or Semiramis, etc.) was "hatched."

The Easter holiday has no connection to Jesus Christ's ressurection or to Passover, other than the Roman Catholic Church (i.e., the pagan Roman government gone underground) later making this pagan fertility goddess ritual part of its official practice under the misnomer of "Christianity."

In fact, there is no such thing as a Christian holiday: all the holidays that people think are "Christian" are in fact pagan, whether it be Easter, Christmas, Sunday as the rest-day, or any other supposed "Christian" holiday. Most of the months and days of the week are also named after pagan gods.

Concerning the actual existence on Earth of the person known as Jesus Christ, the historicity of Jesus Christ has never been much in doubt by scholars (including non-Christians) other than with recent atheists with a skewed philosophical bone to pick and who don't hesitate to make fools out of themselves in the process. This modern charge of the non-historicity of Jesus is grounded on an a priori philosophical assumption--i.e., that an actual personage such as Jesus is impossible, therefore any historical evidence which confirms His place in actual history is *by definition* untrue.

But these same people are quite reluctant to actually flesh-out the necessary implications of this position (since doing so would reveal the absurdity of this position). Namely, that a massive conspiracy was instituted by (presumably) a break-away sect of Jews in an apparent effort to get themselves tortured and murdered by their fellow Jews and by the Roman government, willingly martyring themselves for a personage whom they knew to be a fictional creation of their own invention.

After all, it would be a number of centuries before people claiming the mantle of Christianity would actually come into power; the originators of this conspiracy had only to look forward to a life of suffering and being marginalized as (1) a heretical sect by the Jews (punishable by death, such as by stoning), and (2) a popular scapegoat by the Roman government (with such niceties awaiting as being fed to lions, burned alive as living torches, crucifixion, etc.). And moreover, that this conspiracy could somehow overtake the Western world without leaving the slightest historical trace of its mechinations in inventing a fictional character which it represented as a historical person--that this somehow all managed to occur without the early Christian-conspirators' many violently hostile enemies ever bothering to make note of the Christian-conspirators' invented fiction.

The following are some first century non-Christian sources which corroborate the historicity of Jesus Christ: Josephus, the Talmud, Thallus, Mara Bar-Serapion, etc.

Jesus lived His public life in the land of Palestine under the Roman rule of Tiberius (A.D. 14-37). There are *three possible* Roman historical sources for Tiberius's reign written prior to A.D. 200: Tacitus (A.D. 55-117), Suetonius (A.D. 70-160), and Velleius Paterculus (a contemporary). There are two Jewish historical resources that describe events of this period: Josephus (A.D. 37-c. 100), writing in Greek, and the Rabbinical writings (compilation of the Talmud started c. A.D. 70 from the oral form prior to that time).

Of these writings, we would *not* expect Velleius to have a reference to Jesus (i.e., the events were happening outside of Velleius's home area during his life; Velleius [c. 19 B.C.-c. A.D. 31] was a contemporary of Jesus who likely died before Jesus's crucifixion). Of the remaining Roman historians--Tacitus and Suetonius--we have references to Jesus. Thus, we have an amazing fact: *all* the relevant non-Jewish historical sources mention Jesus! (Notice that this is the *opposite* situation than is commonly assumed: "If Jesus was so important, why didn't more historians write about Him?" In this case, *they all did!*)

Of the Jewish resources--Josephus and the Rabbinical writings (i.e., the Talmud, and the Midrash)--both make clear references to the existence of Jesus. So *all* the Jewish historical sources refer to Jesus Christ.

The above three paragraphs only concern the standard Roman histories of Tiberius's reign and the standard Jewish historical sources written prior to A.D. 200. Other non-Christian historical sources writing prior to A.D. 200 which independently confirm the Gospels include Pliny the Younger (Roman governor of Bithynia), Lucian of Samosata, the Greek historian Phlegon, the historian Thallus, the Greek writer Celsus, Mara Bar-Serapion, etc. Most of these sources were actively hostile to Christianity.

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

Interesting read James Redford...

Isn't there a similar story behind Christmas too...

Satanalia (sic) was originally a pagan festival of splendor, when the Roman masters would serve their servants or similar for the day.

I'm not religious, but I have came across it many times and sounds similar to your easter explanation...

Do you know any more about it ? Links etc...

Thanks and best wishes

I think you meant "Saturnalia"

Not "Satanalia".

Just your friendly neighborhood neo-pagan setting you straight...;-)

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Thanks CJS... I'd never looked it up before !!!

I did wonder why "Satanalia" only returned 2.5 pages of results on Google (some pretty bizarre ones at that) ;-)

Friendly Google recommended NO alternative...

The correct spelling "Saturnalia" had 747,000 results !!!

Thanks for keeping me straight, best wishes

Sorry James

but there is not even ONE single viable shred of evidence that any such person as "Jesus of Nazareth" ever existed.
In fact the small village of Nazareth did not even exist until at least 100+ years after the so called lifetime of the Jesus myth.

I know the story behind the EB etc, but you can say that about ALL of Christianity, there is not a single story that wasn't stolen from much older paganism including the Christ myth itself.

Christianity is a hoax perpetrated on the simple minded.
The NT is nothing but an astrological drama.

the characters are all allegorical.

Jesus= the SUN
Mary= Virgo
Joseph= Bootes
John the Baptist= Aquarius
the 2 fishermen= Pisces

You may "believe" what you wish but I have been researching Christianity & various other religions for 34 years now, you need to do a bit more research.


But if Jesus doesn't exist then what's going to make me life my life with morals and values?

and who died for our sins?
Together in Truth!


Zeus? Santa Clause? any sun god or imaginary friend will do.
Thankfully we as human beings don't feel the need to use "blood sacrifice" anymore in the 21st century.

I find the whole concept macabre & disgusting and cant believe in this day & age how many simple minded human beings still hold onto this ancient belief, just plain bizarre.
Makes you wonder why we stopped burning witches.

Yeshua of Galilee, not Jesus Christ

This is interesting James, thanks. I think it should be noted that the gospels contradict themselves in many ways so are not considered anywhere near 100% accurate or confirmed by non-Christian historians. From my reading on the subject I tend to agree with you that Jesus was a bit of an anarchist in that he opposed the earthly rulers, all corupt, against whom he railed. Namely, the Roman imperial authorities AND the corrupt, collaborating factions of priestly groups, the Pharisees and Sadducees who vied for power over the temple and authority over interpretation of religious law. Add to this the Roman puppet King Herod (there were a few Herods, it was a family name) and you have the forces that Yeshua seems to have antagonized by preaching essentially about reform of the corrupt ways of his contemporaries, including profiting from the temple and an idolatrous devotion to ritual. You might say he wanted a return to the spirit, not the letter of the law when it came to following a spiritual path inspired by faith in a single benevolent god.


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If you read

The stories of Krishna, Horus just to name a couple of the many sun gods who's stories existed LONG before the christian sun god you will notice that they are almost identical in every way.

The christian sun god "Yeshua" or as of about 500 years ago "Jesus" is nothing but a re-badged version of these much older Pagan sun gods.

Total mythology, absolutely no different than Hercules, Apollo, Zeus, etc..

Quite pitiful really that so many people have been brainwashed by such total nonsense.

History lesson

Concerning the actual existence on Earth of the person known as Jesus Christ, the historicity of Jesus Christ has never been much in doubt by scholars (including non-Christians) other than with recent atheists with a skewed philosophical bone to pick and who don't hesitate to make fools out of themselves in the process.

Real archaeologist have debunked virtually every christian tenet there is.
The single paragraph written by Josephus in the Jewish Antiquities which of all the 100s of writings of Josephus this was the one and only few lines of text mentioning any Jesus.
Sadly for theist this passage has been proven to have been FORGED by Eusebius in the 4th century.
It has been known as a forgery since the 10th century.

Namely, that a massive conspiracy was instituted by (presumably) a break-away sect of Jews in an apparent effort to get themselves tortured and murdered by their fellow Jews and by the Roman government, willingly martyring themselves for a personage whom they knew to be a fictional creation of their own invention.

The utter stupidity of this argument is laughable.
So then to you I guess the Aztecs were also right in their belief in the various gods they sacrificed 100s of 1000s of people for?
What about Muslims today martyring themselves to Allah by blowing themselves up?
Ever heard of Heavens Gate? DOH!
Might want to think before you say something this stupid as an argument for Christianity.

The following are some first century non-Christian sources which corroborate the historicity of Jesus Christ: Josephus, the Talmud, Thallus, Mara Bar-Serapion, etc.

Josephus (Testimonium Flavanium ) is a 4th century forgery by Eusebius, this has been common knowledge for centuries.

"Talmud"? nice try, however the so called Jesus of the Talmudic account lived and died during the reign of King Alexander Janaus, 150 years before the alleged time of Jesus of the New Testament, not to mention nothing mentioned in the Talmudic account jives at all with the gospel accounts, actually the gospel accounts themselves contradict one another also.

"Thallus"? ROTFL, one can only laugh at this christian apologist reference.
A Pagan cronologer? (this is assuming he ever existed because we really have no evidence at all this person ever existed) that makes the usual pagan mythical claims of eclipses/darkness in the passing of the sun god along with earthquakes & ZOMBIES.
Such an impossible event would not fail to be recorded in the works of Seneca, Pliny, Josephus or other historians, yet it is not mentioned anywhere else outside of Christian rhetoric, so we can entirely dismiss the idea of this being a real event.

"Mara Bar-Serapion"?

Surely you jest? This vague reference was written most likely between 135-165CE and actually makes no mention of any "Jesus" just a "wise king" obviously this could mean any number of people real or imaginary.

Pliny the younger? His letters to Trajan were circa 100-112CE and mention nothing of any Jesus only that Christians existed and that they were "Atheist" meaning they would not accept the Emperor as their god.

Suetonius? again we are talking circa 120CE and in one single sentence in all of his letters and books he wrote the "name" "Chrestus" which is the correct Latin spelling of a fairly common Greek name.
Even if we assume that he misspelled this name and meant to say "Christos" then in the context of the sentence he would have been referring to "Christians" not Jesus.

Apologist Christians embarrass themselves when they unwittingly or deceptively violate the rules of historiography by using after-the-event writings as evidence for the event itself. Not one of these writers gives a source or backs up his claims with evidential material about any alleged Jesus. Although I can provide numerous reasons why the Christian and non-Christian sources prove spurious, and argue endlessly about them, we can cut to the chase by simply looking at the dates of the documents and the birth dates of the authors. It doesn't matter what these people wrote about the Jesus myth, an author who writes after the alleged happening and gives no detectable sources for his material can only give example of hearsay. All of these anachronistic writings about Jesus could easily have come from the beliefs and stories from Christian believers themselves. And as we know from myth, superstition, and faith, beliefs do not require facts or evidence for their propagation and circulation. Thus we have only beliefs about the alleged Jesus' existence, and nothing more.

BooBoo Bunny and the White Horse

I couldn't help but be reminded of Harvard Square's White Horse (founder of the White Horse Press Corps). Real Truther cannot confirm or deny that he was the White Horse, but he can report that over the course of 2005 the White Horse distributed roughly 12,000 deception dollars to tourists from around the US and the world at the very spot you see in this video, made by BooBoo Bunny's friends to document the unlikely encounter of another big animal. No idea if BooBoo is a truther yet, but clearly some of her more illustrious relatives ARE.


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what a couple of dorks...

not that there's anything wrong with that. i wonder if the horseman got the idea from mark linkous of spaklehorse. if you're not enjoying this film, forward to 2:00 to see what i mean.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

wtf is this??

RT--er... the White Horse certainly did NOT rip off this bizarre thing. And dorky or not, that horse put the truth into 12,000 hands and lord knows how many heads after that. Most people probably had no idea they were taking info about 9/11. They saw a horse giving out money and wanted it, especially when they saw Bush's sneering little face on it.

Sometimes crowds would mob him and he would struggle to keep up with the outstretched hands. It was pure magic, and Harvard Square regulars still get misty-eyed when recalling the fleeting presence of that righteous pony.

History will probably fail to credit him, but his legacy of truth, justice, and freedom will live on in the hearts of all the children and Asian tourists who posed for pictures with him before having their sticky little palms graced with a crisp new series 8 deception dollar.

The white horse sometimes danced, but never spoke. With his stoic silence, however, he seemed to be saying--if you think THIS is weird, just you wait.

And now they know.


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Add to the grab bag or post to the front page...

MSM Attacks In Unison Are Hard To Record

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Mike Gravel (2008 Pres Candidate) Forum


Mike Gravel is a relatively solid politician who is most prominently know for his release of the "Pentagon Papers", the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War. Mike is a 2008 presidential candidate.

There are some 911 Truth related topics posted over on the forum of his website. It would be good if some of you are able to weigh in on the discussion. He needs to take a position on a 911 Re-Investigation. Link below:

Am I missing something...

the bbc website - I think it is one of the most used sites in the world - is showing that most people are currently searching for 'world trade centre' - have a look before Porter finds out about it (

Good Spot !!!!

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Best wishes

Whilst there spotted this story (maybe nothing, but added for posterity)...

Profile: Michael Bloomberg

Millionaire media tycoon Michael Bloomberg was an unknown quantity for New Yorkers when he became the city's mayor in 2001.

Bloomberg has a global media empire named after him

The political novice ran as a Republican, despite being a long-time Democratic supporter. He managed to overcome a 25% deficit in opinion polls to secure the office.

He was helped in no small part by his huge wealth - during his campaign he spent $41m of his own money, more than all the other candidates combined, and was accused of trading dollars for democracy.

But perhaps more important was the endorsement by Rudolph Giuliani, the outgoing mayor who was transformed into a national hero for his handling of a city in crisis on 11 September.


He secured a position at Salomon Brothers, and by 1972 he had become a partner. But his relationship with the firm ended abruptly nine years later when Salomon Brothers was bought out and Mr Bloomberg was sacked.

Full Story :

...and now it has gone

not even in the top 10 - Porter must have got back from his lunch break - I'm often on the bbc site and these search subjects usually change very very slowly

I still see it "In times of

I still see it

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Can't keep a good search term down...

Had to cringe at this BBC page from 13-Sep-2001...

It was the fire that killed the buildings - nothing on Earth could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning

Structural engineer Chris Wise

Full Story :

Best wishes

PS. You should check out some of the other propaganda spewed on 9/11 itself... see episode info files and live footage on [ 911podcasts ]


Together in Truth!

how many things are wrong with this pic

steel melts at 800 degrees celsius? who knew! I especially like "impact and INFERNO". Inferno is, uh, a technical term in Britain no doubt. really, BBC...


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Things wrong with pic

Bugger, now I can't see it while I'm typing.

Well, for starters those core columns have merged into one central mass--I had no idea there was a "center pole" architectual design. And if the plane hit that high up, I don't see how the building would have collpased much further than the top shattering and/or falling off. Which tower is it supposed to be?

And "inferno" is a very technical term at the beeb, meaning, "please don't think about the fact 800C is only 1472F".


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Reinforced core

It's a wonder the towers stood for as long as they did. The reinforced core is obviously too flimsy to withstand strong winds, much less collisions with airplanes and raging infernos. And all this time I believed the towers were over-engineered to withstand so much more. Thanks to BBC for clearing that up???????

Awareness+ activism+ rebellion= New Paradigm.

I just noticed...

They're diluting their message with that pic of reinforced concrete--concrete is a poor thermal conductor. Even in such an INFERNO( please don't think about the fact 800C =1472F), the steel inside the concrete wouldn't have heated up that much.

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Have any of you all seen the movie "Shooter"?

I did last weekend and from a 9/11 Truther standpoint, it was GREAT!

This is why:

1. It essentially illustrates why asking questions about events like 9/11 is important as is investigating the evidence.

2. It shows how stupid the lone gunman theory really is.

3. It shows how one important bit of evidence can get marginalized when everyone else believes what everyone else believes.

4. It shows the importance of sometimes questioning why "it just doesn't make sense".

5. It shows why it's important to have Internet connections with people and organizations to help you connect the dots.

6. It shows a very interesting way to suicide a person.

7. It shows why people involved in orchestrating an event like 9/11 would remain quiet about it.

8. It shows how a person pivotal to a plot like 9/11 could be involved and not even know it.

9. It shows how in the end, oil is power and the absolute motivator for every vile thing this country does in every other part of the world.

10. It shows how, for the sake of justice, there are still very effective old-school extremist ways to deal with terrible evil men in power.

And more . . .

My favorite line was -- and I'm paraphrasing here -- "In this country the Vice-President stood before the nation on television and said we're doing this for freedom and democracy!!!" (Wicked cackle.) AT THIS POINT I COULD LITERALLY HEAR THE AUDIENCE GASP!

For those ardent defenders of the U.S. Constitution, you're going to more than LOVE hating these bad guys.

Go see the movie!

inspiring cancellation request!

one of Real Truther's real life brothers lays down the smack...

I'm writing to cancel my subscription to the Christian Science Monitor.

Please also credit my account as appropriate. My subscription number is **********.

The Monitor's failure to in any meaningful way address or explore the issues raised by the 9/11 truth movement has led me to lose confidence in its objectivity and its honest pursuit of truth. I don't suggest that the Monitor's editors must subscribe to my views for me to subscribe to their newspaper, but I feel that their blindness to this issue, willful or not, is at the expense of the sentiment expressed in this line on the Monitor's website: "The idea is that the unblemished truth is freeing (as a fundamental human right); with it, citizens can make informed decisions and take intelligent action, for themselves and for society." I fear that in the case of the Monitor, these are just words.

Sincerely, [RT's brother]


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Good for him!

Did CSM beg him not to cancel?

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Show "Mythical creatures speak up." by peepnklown

So far on the view....

Rosie and Barb had a good chat about rosie's documentary winning a GLAAD award

They talked about Rudy (who barb interviews on 2020)

Rosie talks about the firefighters, and says many are dying from illnesses and no one is talking about it...

good stuff...

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Ro's latest blog states that she is on vacation - is it forced?

no, all of them have the

no, all of them have the week off.

Best Spring Break/Easter Ever

Wow this whole movement is about to blow up. Hopefully it is the truth movement and not a suitcase nuke in LA. You have to accept that our leaders will have another inside job attack on us American's so they will have more reason to shut the movement up. I really am scared of the government

"Giuliani was also

"Giuliani was also criticized for locating the city's emergency center in 7 World Trade Center, a building that contained thousands of gallons of diesel fuel when it collapsed after the terrorist attack."

I pulled this out of a CNN article today entitled '9/11 could pose challenges for Giuliani's '08 run.' I can't believe that they're still trying to pawn off the idea that burning diesel fuel brought down WTC 7. That is some subtle, crafty writing though (implying but not stating that the burning diesel fuel brought it down).

But on a better note, the article did highlight the fact that Giuliani was a key figure in the "scoop and dump" approach to cleaning up the collapsed buildings (aka get rid of the evidence as quickly as possible).

They really threw Giuliani a softball in this article. Didn't even really mention the hundreds of emergency responders that are dying from breathing the dangerous, toxic air immediately following 9/11. If Giuliani becomes president, I'm moving to Canada.

"We trespassed without

"We trespassed without permission," said the sailor, who gave his name as Nathan Thomas Summers and said they were being treated well. "I would like to apologise for entering your waters without any permission ... I deeply apologise."


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No way is that case closed.

No way is that case closed. It's confessions under duress. When he is back in the UK's hands and says the same thing, that's when it's case closed. Also putting him on TV can be considered a violation of the Geneva conventions for captured soldiers.

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Coerced Confessions


Not only are the same people who tortured confessions out of their captives like KSM not going to accept this. Which they tortured for several years.

Our allies look weak for giving it up in 15 minutes.

This whole situation is such an obvious farce. The Iranians are pointing out our insanity.

Our leaders will not and can not admit a simple mistake.

Because they want this war.... this is not rocket science
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Show "?" by RWF2

we don't have to be serious

we don't have to be serious ALL the time

I think it's a funny picture and the bunny will definetly attract a lot of attention. I don't see the problem.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

i agree. made me smile,haha.

i agree. made me smile,haha.


just look at how happy that rabbit is now that he's discovered the truth! this is one of my fave posts evah...


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But...everyone loves bunnies!

Bunnies for 9/11 Truth!

Imagine the public appeal this would have...

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So what do you have against

So what do you have against bunnies? Huh? HUH?

Bunny hater! ;-P

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I like bunnies as much as the next guy! I'm bummed about my first ever negative-voted posting!

I just don't like us to be too vulnerable and invite criticism and all that. I was just thinking of the average "sleeping Joe" who sees the bunny suit guy and thinks it's some kind of joke.

If anything, it's inspired me to wear a suit and tie next time I carry my 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB/STOP THE 9/11 COVER-UP sign.

I walked around with my sign last Halloween and got attacked by a guy in a SWAT team get-up. No joke.

Ok fine, I'll dress up as Uncle Sam on July 4th and carry the sign, pass our flyers and dvds! Uncle Sam and the Easter Bunny can be friends, right?

"Uncle Sam and the Easter Bunny can be friends, right?"


Uncle Sam is a symbol of fatherly God-fearing Christian patriotism. The Easter Bunny was stolen from ancient pagan spring fertility festivals.

Uncle Sam is the embodiment of "symbol theiving bunny killers". Go ahead--tell me you're not a bunny killer. I know better.

LOL!--I'm just winding you up--Yeah, Bugs and Sam can be fwiends! ;-)

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I was about the vote this comment down for second until I got to the end!

Hey, I enjoyed your exchanges with Ronald Wieck a while back after his "debate" he held on his show in NY. Did he get banned from posting here along with Mark Roberts? Do you have to have a certain amount of negative postings in order to be banned or is it up to the moderators?

I actually liked those exchanges though. Some of them were constructive. I remember thanking them for at least making us (9/11 Truth) look at our own stuff more critically, even though those guys made me sick overall.

I just listened to Amy Goodman's interview with DRG and Chip Berlet. It made me mad!! I wrote Democracy Now! and asked them to have DRG back on their show and to DEDICATE MORE TIME AND ENERGY TO 9/11 TRUTH ON HER SHOW!!

Here's that debate if anyone hasn't heard it..

Always read to the end ;-)

My "Ronnie" did get banned, as I understand, it for excessive insulting behavior, not for negative points. That's a bit of dis-info the JREFers have gleaned from not reading our guidelines thoroghly.

I think excessive negatives will make the moderators take a look at your posts to see what's going on, but negatives all by themselves won't get you banned--if they did u2r2h and Andy Watson would be long gone.

Mark Roberts is still with us--but he's been a good boy. He's been a little quiet actually. We've had a rush of shill traffic after the beeb thing broke about WTC7--and the bannings were quick and merciless. I think our Mark is on his best behavior.

Course the person you should ask for clairty about our rules is dz.

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I think this is better than merely funny. Rosie's Rant, coupled with the push to dump democracy on the Iranians over the Easter weekend..Godless, ignorant, cinematic America. Just three Networks run the whole show.

Once again, I present irrefutable evidence of my involvement with the demolition, -prior- to 9/11. I've been saying to everyone since 2002: "Jim Hoffman, et. al., you guys don't have the 'real' sets of plans!"

Now, study the drawings carefully. What you'll see here is the -exterior- adjoinments, and especially the 'scale' of our truss connection details, all now finally in order. Also, you can see precisely -WHY- I have not attempted to use freehand to 'mimick' these precise detailed drawings...Thank God,(or the Easter Bunny,) for these revelations!

Hey folks, were once again

Hey folks, were once again getting tons of hits from Netscape: 

Please visit the link, vote accordingly and spread some Truth, they must have lots of visitors right now.

Swing by Digg if you get a chance

They are about to be dismantled.... people are starting to figure out that even if they search the exact headline for this story that it can not be found on Digg.

A nice weekend project

by the end of the weekend people on digg will know how their system works,,,,,, when 20 people can silence 1500
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AOL Rosie-9/11 poll

Should ABC fire Rosie, as O'Reilly implies?
Yes, she crossed the line 68%
No, it's free speech 32%
Total Votes: 8,031
Note on Poll Results



Inside Edition just got done

Inside Edition just got done smearing Rosie for the second day in a row. it was their lead story today. this time they brought on Jimmy Meigs to refute WTC7. they showed WTC7 fall at least 3 or 4 times and Meigs mentioned the "10 story SCOOP that was RIPPED out of the building" and the fires that were "RAGING all day long". heres a write up on yesterdays story from the website:

Rosie O'Donnell Discusses 9/11 Theory On "The View"
Rosie O'Donnell is not backing down from a controversial theory about 9/11.

On Thursday's "The View," she spoke publicly for the first time about her belief that somebody blew up 7 World Trade Center.

Elizabeth asked Rosie if she thought the U.S. government had anything to do with 9/11.

Rosie's response was, "No, but I do believe it's the first time in history that fire melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics for World Trade Center 7, which collapsed in on itself. It is impossible for the building to fall the way it did without explosives being involved."

Elizabeth then asked who Rosie thought was responsible for the building falling, to which Rosie said, "I have no idea, but to say that we don't know that it imploded, and it wasn't an implosion and a demolition is beyond ignorant."

Just last week, Rosie got in hot water after posting an excerpt from a wacky and discredited 9/11 conspiracy website on her blog.

Although she acknowledges that the twin towers were hit by terrorists, she's still charging ahead with the theory most analysts consider ridiculous - that 7 World Trade Center was blown up.

What do you think of Rosie's remarks about 9/11? Click here to send us your comments on video. You may be featured on a future broadcast of INSIDE EDITION.

is he going by Jimmy now?

that means he's afraid of being hanged. no one wants to see a "Jimmy" hanged. Khalid? sure. Saddam? well, duh. Jimmy? not so much.


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Not even trying anymore

Spotted this wtc7 debunkal on digg

"You have inaccurate information. The entire building was in flames and the water supply to the fire fighters was cut off. Not only that, the back 1/4 of the building was gone and there were huge tanks of gas for the cities emergency center's generators that were burning. Most of the 9/11 "truth" ers will not mention this."


Digg Buried ME!

My account has been disabled due to misuse!

I was posting stories about Digg CENSORSHIP on all the top stories

Referencing it to the Rosie story and now I have been eliminated
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Wear it as a badge of honor!

Digg is democratic in the same sense as the west is...

(but still, consider opening up another account to make more waves)

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We always knew you were a bad boy...;-)

Guess that removes any lingering doubts I had about digg...

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Don't you make me!

CJS.... always cruisin' for a bruisin'
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Careful, sweetheart...

I had no problem picking my last bit of stuff up and carrying him around...BEHAVE, BOY!


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Is that some kind of English humor?

cause I don't get it...... But I still love it!

Just don't call me a Wanker
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"Just don't call me a

"Just don't call me a Wanker"

Okay. ;-)

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It's good to know that I'm not the only one hitting up Blogger on a Friday night.

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Someone gave you a negative... ;-/

(I voted you up)

I've got to go work on some writing so I'm logging off for the night--but I thought I'd say something--the trolls might be out...


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LOL.... they are just pissed that they have to work on a Friday night.

Overtime baby.... gotta make sure we don't get anything past them.

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Inspiration for Brave Truth Seekers

Here's a little inspiration for all the amazing people who have the courage to speak out for Truth even knowing the abuse they will face. (Especially you Rosie.)

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a *hero in my eyes
* I changed the final sentence to reflect both genders.

Awareness+ activism+ rebellion= New Paradigm.

Dust to Dust

*Synopsis: *Belief NYC firefighters died on 9/11

Subject: [hawkscafe] Giuliani's Firefighters & Murder-by-Phon
To: hawkscafe@yahoogrou

*Synopsis: *Belief NYC firefighters died on 9/11 after
controlled-demoliti on commands transmitted over 'murder-by-phone' networks
from the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management in WTC#7.

Open e-mail sent Friday, March 30, 2007 to:

Rudi Giuliani, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Giuliani Partners LLC
5 Times Square, New York, NY 10036 Tel: 212.931.7300

Captain Field McConnell and David Hawkins, Forensic Economists at Hawks'
CAFE http://www.hawkscaf http://groups. group/hawkscafe/

Copies include:
John C. Cavanaugh, Active Officers Life Insurance, jcavanaugh@ufoa. org
Mario A. Diaz, Retired Officers Life Insurance
Uniformed Fire Officers Association, Local 854, I.A.F.F., AFL-CIO.

U.S. Vice-President Richard Cheney
vice_president@ whitehouse. gov

Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper

Jack Blood http://jackblood. netfirms. com/home/ ,
jackblood@hotmail. com

David Blood & Al Gore
info@generationim. com
Co-founders, Generation Investment Management, Washington, D.C. (202 785
7400) London, U.K. +44 (0) 207 534 4700

Dear Mr. Giuliani:

*Re: Giuliani's Firefighters & Murder-by-Phone*

Hawks CAFE believes that 342 New York City firefighters died on 9/11 after
their Motorola analog radio systems were sabotaged and a sequence of
encrypted controlled-demoliti on commands was transmitted over four
virtual-private networks, allegedly used in Interstate Commerce for
'murder-by-phone' or 'murder-for- hire' by the CAI-Carlyle Canada private
equity group and the Bonanno-Rizutto crime families of New York and

Our research indicates an Interagency Working Group, led by Vice-President
Al Gore, Attorney General Janet Reno, Associate Attorney General Webster
Hubbell, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, and, Director of Office and
Management Budget Leon Panetta, wittingly or unwittingly, set up
murder-by-phone networks for continuity-of- government exercises (COG),
including that staged on 9/11 by an Amec-Citigroup partnership through the
Mayor's Office of Emergency Management in Seven World Trade Center.
http://groups. group/hawkscafe/ message/110

Gore's IWG integrated AT&T's secure telephony, Nortel's Voice over Internet
Protocol and Boeing's Iridium and Thuraya satellite communication
networks, apparently financed with drug money confiscated by the U.S.
Department of Justice or UN Oil-for-Food money stolen by CAI-Carlyle Canada
hedge fund managers acting for the allegedly racketeering clients of BNP
Paribas and JPMorgan.

We allege that Carlyle's dirty money was invested and laundered in a
contrived panic of the New York Stock Exchange so that insiders could profit
by 'shorting' the Chicago Mercantile Exchange while
Carlyle's re-insurer, Axa Re, collected on so-called "dead-peasant" life
insurance contracts after the firefighters died in the controlled
http://www.newsmax. com/archives/ articles/ 2006/1/17/ 141106.shtml

Research suggests a strategic goal for 9/11 was to destroy the Kyoto
carbon-credit trading business of Cantor Fitzgerald in the North Tower and
allow CAI-Carlyle private equity groups, together with the
various Signatories to the U.N. Environment Programme, to launder dirty
money through alternative trading on the Chicago Climate Exchange, using
kickbacks to bind assassins into Carlyle's global and growing
murder-for-hire network.

In this scenario, the profits from 9/11 appear to have been kicked back
through virtual private networks into the pension funds of senior officers
who sent the NYC firefighters to their deaths and the contractors involved
in both the clean up and the cover up, including Amec, mobbed-up labor
unions and various sub-contactors affiliated to La Cosa Nostra.
http://www.hawkscaf html

We have placed your name on the list of 100 prospective defendants in the
proposed class action civil suit outlined at the url below, but we have no
means of knowing at this time whether your acts of commission or
omission during Amec's bogus continuity-of- government exercise of 9/11 were
negligent, reckless, wilful or fraudulent.
http://groups. group/hawkscafe/ message/127

If you can explain the Carlyle Group's apparent use of murder-by-phone
networks to kill the firefighters, including the possibility that you and
other public servants were taken by surprise by the attacks and subsequently
extrorted or entrapped into silence, please let us know and we would then be
delighted to invite you to become one of our 100 plaintiffs.

Yours sincerely,

Field McConnell
9223 50th Ave S
Glyndon MN 56547
218 329 2993

David Hawkins,
Vancouver, B.C. Canada
604 542 0891

*Notes: "Giuliani's Firefighters & Murder-by-Phone" *

"Giuliani .. faulted on two major issues .. failure to provide World Trade
Center's first responders with adequate radios .. The Sept. 11 Commission
noted the firefighters at the World Trade Center were using the same
ineffective radios employed by the first responders to the 1993 terrorist
attack on the trade center. Regenhard, at a 2004 commission hearing in
Manhattan, screamed at Giuliani, "My son was murdered because of your
incompetence! " The hearing was a perfect example of the 9/11 duality:
Commission members universally praised Giuliani at the same event. A
November 2001 decision to step up removal of the massive rubble pile at
ground zero. The firefighters were angered when the then-mayor reduced their
numbers among the group searching for remains of their lost "brothers,"
focusing instead on what they derided as a "scoop and dump" approach.
Giuliani agreed to increase the number of firefighters at ground zero just
days after ordering the cutback. More than 5 1/2 years later, body parts are
still turning up in the trade center site. "We want America to know what
this guy meant to New York City firefighters, " said Peter Gorman, head of
the Uniformed Fire Officers Association. "In our experiences with this man,
he disrespected us in the most horrific way .. Giuliani was also criticized
for locating the city's emergency center in 7 World Trade Center, a building
that contained thousands of gallons of diesel fuel when it collapsed after
the terrorist attack. The lingering ill will between Giuliani and
firefighters was resurrected when the International Association of Fire
Fighters initially decided not to invite the former mayor to its March 14
candidates forum in Washington." net/news/ index.jsp? cat=GENERAL& fn=/2007/ 03/30/623562. html&cvqh= itn_giuliani


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9-11Justice- New 18 minute Video on Google

9-11Justice- New 18 minute Video on Google

A brief but carefully presented and supported criminal indictment of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Richard Myers, and Condoleeza Rice for ... all » murder in the events of 9-11, presenting all the best evidence in a concise but powerful manner. It includes Larry Silverstein's admission that the explosives were used; and Norman Mineta's identification of Dick Cheney as the person who gave the order not to scramble jets, or fire any weapons in defense of the Pentagon.

I've got a bone--and I'm not letting it go...

I am rapidly coming to the opinion that SLC is organized dis-info, possibly aimed at debunks--poor dears.

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But the most pressing questions is

why does Nico name his site "Screw Loose" and not "Loose Screw"?

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speaking of the Screwed Losers

Heard a rumor about Troy

He claimed to be a guy called "Matt the EMT"? And pulled fast one on the Loose Change crew? Know anything about that?

I think Troy was even banned from JREF--but don't quote me.

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Calum Douglas Flight Data Recorder Presentation in Ipswich

Calum Douglas Flight Data Recorder Presentation in Ipswich



September 3rd 2007

Could be a great place to show your 9/11 Films!

Now accepting film submissions
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Army of "Vs" at White House

Army of "Vs" at White House

March 31-April 1, 2007 -- "Vs" stage protest at White House. About 60 protesters dressed up as the Guy Fawkes look-a-like "V," from the movie by the same name, staged a protest at the White House yesterday. In an encouraging sign, a group of elementary school children visiting the White House on a school trip were much more interested in "V" than in the White House or its occupant. The children busied themselves taking photos of the "Vs" and shaking their hands: a clear sign that the Rove/Fox propaganda machine has little effect on those who will be left holding the tab for the recklessness of the "Baby Boomer" generation....
The protest was sponsored by