The Third Stage by Danse

"All truth passes through three stages.

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

-Arthur Schopenhauer.

Off Topic

Thanks to all of you who pre-ordered the new DR Griffin book
"Debunking the Debunkers"

I was notified that my order has been delayed

I think they had to go back to the printing press..... I can't wait to see where this falls out on the Best Sellers List
Together in Truth!

thank you

That is one powerful film.. amazing work. Thank you.

Excellent Video

I loved this one. It brings out my passion for the movement. A movement by the people, for the people. Truth is breaking out. Lets keep up the pressure!!

Growth in the Truth Movement

Just look at Blogger's Sitemeter for went from approximately 100,000 visits a year ago to about 265,000 in 3/07!

Is that indicative that the general population's awareness grew 165% in the last year?

We're not going away, folks.....

The Third Stage action edit

Very compelling!

Would be great if the BBC foreknowledge report could be edited in as well as Larry Silverstein"s "Pull It" comments.

I like this very much.
"Cogito ergo sum"

A small point, re Michael Meacher... If there's a next version

Not nit-picking or anything, but this one jumped out at me... Pretty minor, but worth noting if there's to be a second version.

Michael Meacher (3:24 in) is STILL a British MP, was a former shadow cabinet member.

He was an elected member of the Shadow Cabinet from 1983 to 1997, but Tony Blair refused to appoint him to the Cabinet and instead made him Minister of State for the Environment, first at the Department for Environment, Transport and the Regions (1997-2001), then at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (2001-2003). His commitment to environmental causes led him frequently to criticise government policy, distancing him from ministerial colleagues and limiting his influence outside a narrow group of non-governmental organisations and green campaigners. Despite Blair's hostility, Meacher gained a reputation for being a politician who was on top of a complex brief [3] and was one of the longest serving minsters in the Labour government, from 1997-2003. He was criticised for hypocrisy when he condemned second home owners; according to the BBC, he and his wife owned more than one home themselves. [4]

Source :

Best wishes

Wow! That is the shit.......alright!!

Reprehensor if that is your creation, you are a very skilled editor.

Just think when this is all over you could get a job at a televison station and do some F%$#ING investigative journalism!

Hope we all have a good month and can keep stepping up to that plate; for Reprehensor has set a new standard in getting to the point of the matter and he's hit it in the middle of the bat.

Thanks John


No, it's "Danse's" video.

Danse is one of the users here.

Sorry a few to many brews last night here in the land of OZ!

Congratulations Danse!!

Kind regards John


Top Shelf!

This is an excellent video... stellar work.

I really appreciated the pace and tone. The title credits and parenti finale are VERY tight.

Thanks to all who worked on this. I can't say enough.

Very powerful, Danse! I

Very powerful, Danse! I felt my heart beating faster and my patriotism and energy reactivated as I watched.

This film together with "WTC7: The Smoking Gun of 9/11" take only 30-odd minutes to watch. If a person can be exposed to these two short films and not flip to the truth side, we need to call a doctor and declare the person dead on arrival.

Ta very much!

excellent, hi-res version of this?

This was just excellent. It needs to by spread through the world. I will gladly host hi-res version of this video (512x.. or better), avi from googleVideo is just 320x240.

If anyone has contact to author, please contact me via 911blogger contact form.

darkbeforedawn We are

We are hosting a 911 truth event in Ann Arbor Mi. April 7
THE TRUTH STRIKES BACK. At the Michigan League Ballroom
Kevin Barret, Kevin Ryan will conduct a moderated debate
"Have the media and the Gov. lied about 9-11" and then William Rodriguez will speak about his 911 experience.
Also we are hosting an all day film festival in an adjacent room.
I would like to show these two clips mentioned above at our film festival. Could someone please help me get a copy of these? Hopefully this will be viewed by several thousand people. e-mail Thank you dbd

JJJames, I have pre-ordered

JJJames, I have pre-ordered 5 copies of Griffin's book, and will distribute them widely. There is already one 5-star review, but we have to expect 1-stars of the usual 2 types: the moronic ("this guy is a tinfoil fuckwit") and the pseudo-learned, where they attempt to debunk point by point using endless detailed references to the 2 sources that Griffin is calling out as bogus to begin with: Commission Report and NIST.

I have also noticed what the Amazon reviewer points out, that the mainstream media and Sovietized/Pravda type state organs like FOX love to rant about Rosie and Sheen, and play clips of their "lunacy" but they NEVER put a tentacle near Griffin, never any mention or display of him, because they know he's too rational, articulate, and informed and would get some people thinking.

I think this country is too far gone, that 9/11 cannot be effectively exposed, there are simply too many powerful business and interests arrayed against exposure - all well exploiting the incredible servility and stupidity of the American people.

This is also made much easier by the fact that many everyday Americans have been economically benefited by 9/11. Not that they desired or planned it (that was a spec ops job), but they have benefited. Anybody who works for a major defense contractor or subcontractor, anybody working in the security and surveillance industries, people in the business of anti-terror training, martial arts, and executive protection - all have benefited greatly, the list goes on and on. Our entire economy is militarized and devoted to promulgating technologies of control and destruction. If a professor wants a research grant approved these days, all it takes is one throw-away line in the proposal - "In this post-9/11 world, my [xyz] technology research is more critical than ever". All the above people are acting in good faith, up to the limits of their awareness. But clearly there's huge subconscious resistance to the truth.

James Madison and the great founders of this country are weeping in their graves - but the coup has succeeded brilliantly, and I think it is already game over.

Nevertheless I applaud Griffin for his courage. I hope he has deposited a notarized statement in a safe location that he will NEVER consider suicide - as "suiciding" is a favorite way for the black ops community to take out serious opponents such as him.

What is the point of talking about loosing????

I will never give up, even if logic tells me it's all to hard.

I'd die standing rather than live on my knees!

Regards John


Very good...

I had never seen that PNAC footage before. What's that from?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

The Truth Movement segment towards the end

Made me cry a little bit, with great pride for our collective efforts.

All of this is like watching a baby being born, or perhaps I should say giving birth to it.

"That which hurts, instructs."
~ Benjamin Franklin
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth”
~ George W. Bush

One of the better editing jobs I've seen.

Really enjoyed this, Danse. Thanks for making it. And yes, it does appear that we are finally in the third stage.


It's like a law of nature. One world always comes in to replace another.

They tried to build a self sustaining structure based upon a lie of lies, but no lasting and honourable structure, or historical structuring dynamic, can be founded upon a "base" of lies. Their "anchor" is not holding, in the depths of our collective consciousness and unconsciousness.

We ARE going to win this info war, this psych war, because truth and history is on our side!

The two mutually exclusive worldviews cannot be sustained. The official story of 9/11 is suspended by only the very thinnest of threads, and at some stage, it will SNAP. Let the cognitive dissonance in the minds eye of the American public, come. Bring it on Bill O'Reilly!

What I find interesting, the way it played out, is that the ONLY official historical record of 9/11, is encapsulated in just two reports, both of which are so flawed in the face of reality, that they simply cannot stand up to any amount of rational scrutiny and analysis whatsoever.

In the final analysis, given the way and the manner in which they were completely destroyed, the "mere" absence of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, from the New York City skyline, are the number one smoking gun of 9/11, and they shall remain as such, from generation, to generation, and from age to age, in perpetuity.

They gambled, and took an unbelievably HUGE risk, and they lost. The flow of history, like water, has eluded their grasp.

Praise God!
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth”
~ George W. Bush

Very Nearly Perfect Overview...


Incredibly well-done.

Sending it out to everyone on our mailing list today (along with the Jersey Girls' petition).

Thank you.

good job! i loved the video

good job! i loved the video

i liked the cbc clip in the beginning. i'm a canadian, and cbc newsworld espeically has some good stuff on sometimes. i feel like there's probably more canadian media stuff out there like this that no one really noticed.

Danse, are you looking for

Danse, are you looking for any constructive critcism for an updated release or are you finished with this project?


Like Alex Jones says, there is so much evidence it's like trying to drink from a firehose.

It's not just a "magic bullet"

or a "grassy knoll"

and the times they've changed somewhat since then.

It's amazing we've come so far. Just a little ways to go. It is wonderful now that we are being ridiculed and violently opposed. The truth is like a quantum leap; like an electron which suddenly appears in a new valence instantaneously at the very moment of chemical reaction. And as our numbers climb to a full 50% of the American populace, then history itself can no longer resist the pull of truth and reality.

Their "enduring myth" has all but collapsed.

Just a little way to go now..
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth”
~ George W. Bush

The power of myths

This is a good video for us. It collects and shows the key data. But it alone will not convert new people to the cause.

I have been wondering why so many people become so upset, on simply hearing that someone doubts the official 911 story. I think it has to do with the power of myth.

People want to believe the official myth about how bad those fanatical Arabs are. We want someone to hate, and the myth provides it. We truthers however, are trying to take away that demon.

"What? No evil Arabs? What? Someone in our own government?" Transference then occurs: truthers become the evil demons.

This has already happened to Rosie O'Donnell. She made no accusations. Look at the accusations hurled at her now.

People fervently wish to hold on to their myths.


Let's Get Them 5,000 Signatures Today!

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Am a little late today

but I had to agree with the rest, your video was very moving.

off topic question:

Does anybody know of a list of physicists/engineers/architects/scientists etc who have written or spoken publically in favor of the govt. conspiracy theory vs those who have spoken against it? I'd like to begin to track any shift that is occurring or that may continue to occur. This may already have been done but I haven't found it yet.

Kevin Ryan had a brilliant article about a few...

Table of "Experts"

Link :

Good luck and best wishes

thanks for the start

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free" (Goethe).....

Looking for Architects and Engineers

I don't know of a list showing those for and those against, but a list of architects and engineers who want a new investigation of 9/11 is underway:
Richard Gage
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
(website under construction)
Richard has put together a very persuasive multimedia presentation, to show to N. California architectural offices and other interested groups, most recently Rep. Ellen Tauscher's District 10 office (staff only). All A/E professionals who want a new investigation of 9/11 should sign on. Without these professionals onboard, 9/11 sceptics will continue to rant and rave.

thank you too,

for the email. I will contact him.

Very compelling!

Thank you Danse. Excellent collage of all the important points. Very powerful. Loved the Jowenko video regarding WTC7. And, your editing and music selections were great. Adam Curtis, step aside!!


Incredible editing and top-notch use of music.

Agree it would be stronger with "Pull it" and BBC WTC 7 footage, but it's very moving and powerfful as it is.

Great work, Danse.

OK, good film,

... but WTF is with the super loud music that one can't heard commentaries. I noticed that problem in a lot of amateur 911 film. Put music between commentaries to accompany strong images, but please, when people say important things, let us hear them.

Great video!

This is a really good work... I hope that the movement for truth keeps on to discover the real truth... I noticed that everywhere in the world there are people trying to investigate more and more: I fount this italian documentary, not already finished, but anyway it seems to be a good work. It's called "Zero, investigation on 9-11" ( and it's based on interviews to journalists, scientists, officers, pilots, survivors... they posted some video stuff on YouTube also:
Does anybody know something more about them?


Thanks everyone. I appreciate the kind remarks.

I wasn’t even aware this was up until about five minutes ago. Google censored my first upload attempt but Rep managed to sneak it through ;)

I wanted to make a vid somewhere between documentary length and the usual ten minute numbers. Came in at about 20 – not so short to be wanting in evidence, not so long that people will skip it from laziness or lack of time. I've often found it difficult to get people to sit through full-length features on 911.

Lots of stuff here that has emerged since Loose Change Second Edition, as you can see: Danny Jowenko on WTC7, Civil Engineer William Rice on free fall and high-school physics, Steven Jones on molten metal and thermate.

Most of the video, however, deals with non-physical evidence such as the war games, the put options, Able Danger, PNAC, Patriot Act, Anthrax and so on.

I had to omit complicated issues like the Minetta testimony and the Pentagon. The history of false flag operations was also left out, again because of time-restraints; regrettable but I intend to make another documentary on this subject, with particular emphasis given to Operation Gladio.

Finally, unlike every other 911 documentary I’m aware of, I gave the dancing Israelis a prominent segment. Hardly anyone is willing to speak out on this issue so I had to resort to using the audio from the Democracy Now! segment, though I edited it carefully to omit disinformation.

Perhaps this can serve as a bridge until LCFC arrives.

If the video has one flaw it is that not all of the footage is hi-resolution. Much of it was downloaded from youtube and Googlevideo and is therefore sub-par. However, if the quality of some of the footage has something to be desired, I hope you’ll agree that this does not detract from the overall power of the film.

In short: this video is a concise overview of the most compelling evidence, or some of it anyway, arranged (I hope) in a compelling way. We live in the era of short attention spans. I kept this in mind. One of the strongest features of The Third Stage is that it showcases experts such as A. Von Buelow; it cannot, therefore, be dismissed as the paranoid rantings of “conspiracy theorists”.

The goal was not to provide a comprehensive overview of ALL the evidence (which would take at least six hours) but rather provide a tool for 911 activists. It’s a sort of clarion call, a “powerful request for action or an irresistible mandate…deriving from the cloud of a clarion, a medieval trumpet.” It can be used as a crash course for newbies – a sort of slap upside the head – but really it’s directed at people who are already semi “in the know” (in other words, three-quarters of the population) and, most importantly, at 911 truth activists themselves.

Most of the graphics are mine, some aren’t. I borrowed liberally from 911 mysteries, Terrorstorm, Oil Smoke and Mirrors, Flux Rostram’s video from the anniversary and various other (outstanding) sources. I went through over 50 videos in total, both 911-related and non. The many citizens commissions posted at were also a great source. Since the video is non-profit I assume the filmmakers in question won’t mind. I’m not out to make a buck but to spread the word. The sources from which I borrowed most liberally are cited in the credits.

If you like the video or, more importantly, if you appreciate the genius of the NDTA concept please spread this far and wide. I’m not a member of any other forum so this will be the only place I post it.

The Third Stage was created as a “viral video”. It will go nowhere unless people like yourselves send the link to friends and family and post it on other forums. So give it a look if you have a sec and if you like what you see – pass the torch.

Many thanks to YT, who came up with the concept of NTDA, as well as to the many other people on this site whose words and actions largely motivated me to produce this. May the 911 criminals be brought to justice, and may peace prevail.

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Thank you Danse

This virus will certainly be sent around- thanks for your efforts!

It was nice to see Howard Zinn... it....nice touch....

Very nice!

You needn't worry about the length, the volume, the omissions or the content. It really encompasses the important information beyond LCSE. It reinforces the fact that this group's efforts have made a considerable contribution. Thank you.
I especially like the way you added the Dutch or German demolition expert's reaction. Very funny.

Take care

Masterful presentation! Thank you, Danse.

The caliber of this concise work of yours is remarkable and should be shared everywhere with everyone.

God help America in her hour of need.


...and Jesus said, "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."


I think it's extremely powerful. Congratulations!

One suggestion: at times the music was a tad too loud, so that it was difficult to hear what the people were saying.

Also, on my connection at least, the playback was a bit jerky (there was a snapping sound throughout the film).

thanks for the feedback

A couple comments that the music was too loud. I haven't actually watched the google feed yet but this must be due to Google's audio compression as there's no problem in the original. Perhaps I should convert to Divx and upload to Stage6. will look into it.

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Ok I just downloaded Dr.

Ok I just downloaded Dr. Divx but it keeps crashing when I try to convert. Perhaps it's a Mac issue? If anyone can convert to divx and upload to stage6 (or anywhere else) I'd greatly appreciate it.

Here's the original file:

If needed I can compress it down to about 300 mbs. Any less and the quality will suffer.

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Converting to MP4 (DiVX)


I downloaded your original "Third" file and used MPEG Streamclip (a free, third-party Mac OS X app) to convert it to an MP4 file (also known as DiVX).

MPEG Streamclip DOES NOT require QuickTime Pro in order to export to different file formats. It may be downloaded at either Macupdate or Versiontracker (among others).

I kept the default export settings in MPEG Streamclip during the conversion process. The audio quality of the exported MP4 file (77.7MBs) is as good as it is in your original movie (408.2MBs), even in those places where the music soundtrack is a bit louder than usual. Video quality, on the other hand, is nearly as good as the original. I noticed little or no deterioration in pixel quality, although the colors are slightly faded. I imagine that increasing the export-quality settings would fix that.

Since the MP4 file is 51MBs smaller than the Google Video/AVI file, you could conceivably export a "Full Quality" movie from iMovie (or FCP?), instead of a "CD Quality" movie, and then use MPEG Streamclip to convert it to an MP4 file. The final result, once it is uploaded to Google Video, would still probably be the same size, or smaller, than the file that is now on Google Video.

I hope this information is useful to you. Good luck and keep up the truly excellent work.

P.S. I also vote for the inclusion of a highly edited version of the BBC-WTC 7 footage. For example, you could include two very short clips in which the BBC announcer(s) first state(s) that "The Salomon Brothers Building HAS collapsed," using both BBC and BBC 24 footage (the latter merely for the sake of the time stamp). Then you could cut to the footage of Jane Standley -- with WTC 7 clearly visible behind her -- and end with her live feed fading out due to "interference." A quick text graphic could then say, "Five minutes later, at 5:20 PM..." Then you would cut to non-BBC footage of WTC 7's actual collapse.

Very powerful and very well done, Danse

Thank you very much for putting this together.

I'm also honored that you put a picture of one of my freeway signs in it. SMILE

One note of constructive criticism: I think you should adjust the audio levels in a few places and bring the music down, especially when video subjects are speaking.

Are you going to do any 3, 5 or 10 minute promos for NTDA?

We need a lot more short videos promoting 9/11 Truth, the movement, various ongoing campaigns and specific events. These videos should have broad appeal or target specific audiences.

We all know that we can't wait for the msm to do its proper job, we have to be the media.

We need to create the media we wish to see in the world.

(a nod to Gandhi)

Thanks again, Danse. I can't wait to see what you produce next. You rock, bro!

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Thanks Left; yeah I'm aware

Thanks Left; yeah I'm aware of the audio problem; seems to be a compression issue with google (see above). I do intend to upload a short video to youtube dealing with JUST the NTDA segment. In fact I could make a number of variations on the theme. I also intend to make a video dealing with prominent myths (eg the gov. is incompetent and couldn't pull of 911), as well as a video dealing with past false flag operations, stressing Gladio as a template for "Al-Qaeda" and the "war on terra".

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Sounds great!

I'm working with a couple of video wizards to produce some short videos promoting 9/11 Truth in a variety of ways (They've done longer stuff in the past). We should be getting some of these online in the very near future.

I look forward to seeing more from you.

Please enjoy the day!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Here's a short

I'm making a series of these.

A Special Message from Steven Jones

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Another short


fan-frikkin-tastic Danse! I really can't think of anything you left out--THANK YOU for including the Israel angle--missing from too many otherwise great vids. as a total hack, I can also say that I envy your editing skills! what is NDTA btw?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Thanks RT.

Thanks RT.

NTDA is National Days of Truth Action. Sorry I should have realized the acryonym would make no sense to most people.

The campaign was conceived by another poster on this forum, YT. The idea is that on the 11nth day of every month we all take to the streets.

This is not to say that we ONLY take to the streets on the 11nth day of every month, but that on this day we can coordinate our actions nationally and even internationally and achieve massive numbers.

Historically, scattered protests have always failed. NTDA has the capacity to go supernova. The media cannot ignore huge numbers of people. That's why I latched on to this idea, and I hope this video helps to promote it.

Re: The Dancing Israelis. Yeah, they've probably been the most overlooked aspect of the entire case (for obvious reasons) -- even by luminaries like Griffin and Tarpley -- even though its a helluva smoking gun, if you ask me. It proves foreknowledge beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you want my honest opinion, I think the Israelis were "subcontracted" to carry out certain aspects of the attacks.

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National Days of Truth Action

Hey RT - The definition of NDTA was supposed to be up on the site by the time this video was released but April Fools on me. Today is two years to the day that my best friend died in a fire. I'm at my job right now, but off the top of my head:

  • A National Day of Truth Action is when we all take action for truth together at the same time
  • National Days of Truth Action take place on the Eleventh Day of Every Month until 9/11 Justice
  • 9/11 Truth is the hidden forefront of the peace and anti-globalization movements - whenever there is a call for national or global action we will be there and be visible and make it a Day of Truth Action
  • A National Day of Truth Action may be called at any time for good reason and this will be happening with increasing frequency as truth surges to the surface in the USA

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This is the best idea I've yet heard!

Everything can flow from it, the formation of new local truth groups, and every kind of action imaginable, and it has CONTINUANCE. The Eleventh Day of Every Month until Justice.
I hope this idea starts to snowball. Who knows where it could lead in six months, a year, ten years, however long it takes. The 11th of every month..

Love it! Brilliant idea!

I think groups should form around this idea alone.

Plus it charges each anniversary of 9/11, so that, eventually, it's not just a DC or a GZ thing, but something that happens nationally.

Murder or conspiracy to committ murder - that can be investigated and prosecuted YEARS after the crime. Time is on our side, but that does not mean we shouldn't function with the utmost sense of urgency.

9/11 Truth - the sword for cutting off the beast's head; the heal with which to crush the snake.

We will never forget.
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth”
~ George W. Bush



So something wierd is going on with this video. I just watched it and I was number 1 on the all time views. Something must be done about that..Welcome to 1984.


Can't say anything that hasn't been said...

but it bears repeating: Great job, Danse! And kudos to whoever set up!

interns < internets

Excellent, esp. as a Truth 101 video

Great job! Wonderful production and great use of music.

It's gonna be added to our recommended videos page tonight:


got the short version on my myspace page:
head up, eyes open, fist clenched

Show "That video is very similar" by Shoppenhouer
Show "So this is how you reward" by Shoppenhouer

Maybe you can look at it a different way:

You could be voted down for your own odd and questionably placed 'negativity'. (see me with tongue in cheek)

Honesty is one thing, but if you want to inject the speculations and literal accusations that you have... how could you possibly be taken by surprise when so many others have come along and expressed their appreciation and thanks?

Besides... 21hr51min hardly establishes ANY level of credibility in this atmosphere for someone saying what you have, in a place like this.

Damn straight many of us here feel that a small video can compete with a huge corporate propaganda machine... because it's not just one small video... it's hundreds of small videos, full length features, articles, blogs, emails, handwritten letters, gatherings, demonstrations, making friends and acquaintances...

If you really think that all these 'goings on' are simply silly futile efforts, standing not a chance against 'the machine'.... sorry to be the one informing you... you haven't a clue.

To re-write your last line with more clarity... it's better said this way; Wake people up, start a revolution, bring down the current government, rebuild civil society, prosper from the renaissance, permit the inevitable re-emergence and endless calls for 'government' (because it seems some people always think government can 'do it better')... write a book to warn my children... return to item one; Wake people up.

Got it? Best wishes to ya.


"that is what the military does when there is nothing else to do." -911truthiness

Yup, I got it. However, I

Yup, I got it. However, I don't need to write my children a book. All I need to write them is a simple note. A note of apology for not having the courage to do anything else to stop the atrocities but watch videos and write a blog. I don’t think they’d have the patience to read more than that.

You piece of trash. You're

You piece of trash. You're accusing me of faking someone else's idendity!!?

How bout some proof, asshole? I can assure you I have my own identity. Just ask my mother.

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