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Why we should no longer tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories about Arabs and Muslims...

Bill Maher is considered by most people to be a lefty liberal entertainer, and typifies the bankrupt gatekept left in America that assumes the moral high ground in opposing Bush but have no problem perpetuating a blood libel against Arabs and Muslims. How is Bill Maher, and others like him, any different than those who wrote and have promoted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Answer: Unlike the Protocols, very few people know that Maher and otehrs like him are frauds.

The 9/11 Truth Movement is now strong enough that we should be taking a strong stand against unfounded allegation of Arab/Muslim involvement in the attacks of 9/11. If not us, who? If not now, then when?

We have very properly marginalized intolerant voices like Eric Hufschmid--why do we not hold Bill Maher to the same standard and call him and others out for their clear bigotry against the new global scapegoats?

Excerpted from Why is Anti-Muslim Bigotry Tolerated?
Bill Maher's "Towel-Headed Hos"
By REMI KANAZI

"To see how anti-Arab/anti-Muslim bigotry is accepted and applauded in America, one has to look no further than HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, hosted by "left-wing" comedian and political commentator Bill Maher. "Liberal" pundits like Maher pass off their anti-Arab/anti-Muslim rhetoric as an innocent invocation of Samuel P. Huntington's "The Clash of Civilizations." Yet, Maher's vitriolic diatribes are no different than one saying, "black people are ruthless, welfare grubbing criminals." Nonetheless, to a "liberal," the previous comment is racist and wrong, because black people, unlike the days of slavery, are now "like us," meaning white Anglo-American society, whereas Arabs and Muslims (as if they are a unitary, monolithic people), can still be labeled wholly as "backwards, ruthless, Jew-hating animals."

In Maher's program, he regularly brings on guests that espouse anti-Arab/anti-Muslim views, some of them being supposed "self-critical" Muslims. These guests, however, principally serve to support Maher's own bias against Muslims and Arabs, bolstering his pro-Israel feelings. These guests include conservative Israeli politician, and former Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Lebanese-born neocon and political hack Fouad Ajami, putative introspective Muslim moderate Irshad Manji, and former Muslim, now professed atheist, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, among many others.

Showcasing the "tolerance of liberalism," Maher brought on his claimed "hero," Ayaan Hirsi Ali, of the hawkish American Enterprise Institute, to help him explain to HBO viewers just what was wrong with Islam. Like a fat kid in a candy store, Maher looked to Hirsi Ali on his panel this season and stated, "[I] s Islam a religion of peace? You are one of the brave people who say it's not really a religion of peace." More than happy to respond, Hirsi Ali proclaimed, "It's not a religion of peace. Immediately after 9/11 they should have said, it's not a religion of peace, we're up against Islam." That's right because Pat Robertson speaks for all Christians and the list of disgruntled students that have gunned down their schoolmates since Columbine speak for all people under the age of 25. What if Hirsi Ali said, "Immediately after the black thug robbed the liquor store, they should have said, black people are criminals, we're up against black people." After her enlightening comments, while she went on to trash Saudi Arabia for a moment, Hirsi Ali received a huge applause from the audience. Even Steven Weber, an actor who stars on TVs Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, had to jump in and beg the question of whether it was right to characterize a whole religion and the beliefs of 1.3 billion people this way. Apparently it is because Maher, educating the naive Weber (who was talking of moderate Islam), asserted that "no, [religions are] not all alikeno [Islam] was extremist to begin with. Mohammed was a warrior." Maher's lesson on the malady of Islam followed up on his earlier comments in which he said that the West is not only better, but "superior" to the rest of world. Huh, I wonder why they don't like us."

http://counterpunch.org/kanazi04212007.html

mockingbird?

I have never liked Bill Maher.
I count as my friends, Muslim psychiatrists/GPs in town who try their best to be charitable and helping of others. Maher and similar bigots can go to that place unbaptized Catholic babies used to have to go to.

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"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

of course they can go there, but they don't...

in fact I think they are FROM there. but the point is not so much that they have these views and work to spread them, it is the utter lack of criticism to be found of such bigotry that when aimed at other groups is rapidly, forcefully, and rightfully denounced by pretty much everyone. It is that sad double standard that makes me wonder if people who claim to believe we should "never forget" the lessons of WW2 really mean that.

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Speaking of this bigotry outrage double standard....

.....I have often wondered how Press For Truth would be regarded on this site if, instead of its focus almost being exclusively on finger-pointing at Patsystan (and everything else being constant), it had, to the same degree, an emphasis on what we have learned of Israeli involvement.

(A focus that I feel would also be very wrong and misguided in its narrowness, BTW).

Can you imagine the reaction?

Speaking of Mahre and his ilk, and their espousing racism...it seems parallel to when "conservative" (not) Bush does things like big government, big spending, big deficits, etc (non-conservative actions)....it's overlooked because that individual (Bush, Mahre) is on the viewer/voter's "team"...."it's OK because Our Guy is doing it..." denial/rationalization.

Excellent post/essay.

"....I have often wondered

"....I have often wondered how Press For Truth would be regarded on this site if, instead of its focus almost being exclusively on finger-pointing at Patsystan (and everything else being constant), it had, to the same degree, an emphasis on what we have learned of Israeli involvement. "

what an extremely good question. and i agree that if it only focused on Israel that would be too narrow and leave the wrong impression but it wouldnt have hurt if they at least broached the subject. that movie is good for people who cant handle too much disturbing information all at once but it has way too many holes in it. i would never recommend that movie to someone without telling them that there is much much more to the story.

Maybe for this very reason

PFT provides a wonderful foot-in-the-door effect.

Anyway, there is maybe something fishy about how avid the Israeli dancers were to get caught. Why did they do that? In several locations too. And the whole 'art student' thing was very blatant. 'Ve are Israelis. Art students, you know." Why?

And why did they dress in Arab clothing? How dumb. Intentionallly so for some reason? It is just too much to grasp.

A point I have often

A point I have often pondered, Student. Maybe it's because anti-Israeli rhetoric is the third rail in US politics, so putting these clumsy activities attributed to Israelis in the public eye will cause certain people to chase the Israeli thread down the rabbit hole, thereby allowing the conflation of anti-Semitism and 9/11 truth.

Is anyone really arguing that the Mossad is so inept? Does anyone really believe that however Israel may have been supportive or operational in 9/11, it wasn't absent a "subcontracting" relationship with the US, no different than the traditional US-ISI one? If 9/11 was an inside job, then there were several contractors and subcontractors. They all lead to the same source. It does take some work to explain to the unenlightened that ISI=CIA, however.

The illogic of the assertion that the "autistic" dancing Israelis present a smoking gun has driven me nucking futs for a long time. And I seriously doubt the "chase the Israeli links!" folks would dismiss the significance of a patsy payout from a Mossad representative, do you?

The downfall of my ex-friend Schill Maher

As to Bill Maher, he has proven himself to be mis-lead and out of touch with certain political realities. If anyone has any question of this watch his interview with Ron Paul. Paul responds to Maher's lame jokes with fact and poise. Maher is just left repeating himself and standing up for the CIA. Maher and the other people like him should try talking to a Muslim or two and find out what the truth is as to the majority of the religion. No liberal can claim to stand up against all bigotry while peddling this limited view of the Muslim religion. Maher's ignorance of the origins of Al-Qaeda and the nature of 9/11 prove him as out of touch with modern politics as Noam Chomsky. Maher better quit schilling or he is politically obsolete.

On the side discussion above......

I agree with the above posts that the ISI and Mossad connections are part of understanding the full story. The Israeli or ISI connections great tools for breaking down real false-flag terror. However, as productive activists, we need not continue to simply attack the official story. It can often be more productive to simply present alternative ideas rather than even invoking the legend of the official story. The dancing Israeli's is just not a politically key smoking gun. It is all to commonly associated with anti-Semitism. Another interesting reason for questioning the push of Mossad connections is the MSM people who have spread this story as their representation of 9/11 Truth.....
Fox News
Amy Goodman

Many Jews will write off this entire movement if they hear us bringing up such a secondary connection as implicated by the
dancing Israeli story. Even though the story is not anti-Semitic, the implications of the dancing Israeli story are limited to warnings or prior knowledge of the 9/11 events. This lack of conclusion drawn from this Israeli connected story can often lead an average American to a red herring. Prior knowledge of the events all to often re-enforces the official myth. The story is also so inconclusive as to direct roles in the attacks, that many will assume it to be someone anti-Semitic manipulating a story for purely racists reasons.

Peace

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

Ouch!!

gonna have to come back later and read that again.

definitely more we'd like to know

Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.

That's from: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

which is the most complete account. It doesn't appear that anyone was actually dressed as a Palestinian, that came from an anonymous phone tip:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)

So not only were the dancing Israelis seemingloy trying to frame Palestinians specifically, but we also know that footage of celebrating Palestinians was faked and immediately released on American news stations.

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It is fishy

Here's another point: Fox news was all over that Israeli story, and often. Why?

Fox is, basically, this administration.

You can see the footage of it, if you want, in the video called Open+Complicity. It is maybe half-way through the video.

BTW, the video tries to explain several blatant 911 clues, but doesn't really say anything useful about the Israeli thing. It does show the various Fox reports about it all.

I do not plan to use Fox as a source for anything but disinformation.

That video has an interesting theory

albeit an impossible to prove theory. The director believes several forms of "bizarre self-incrimination" were conducted on 9/11 so other criminals could identify themselves as trustworthy. She borrows this idea from JFK II. In essence, Bush sitting in the classroom in Florida was like a signal to the other perps (Mossad, various neocons, whatever) that he could be trusted not to squeal because he had incriminated himself.

She suggests the stock trades were intended for a similar purpose, because they were so small ($2.5 million unclaimed) and therefore not about making a huge profit, and because they were easy to trace.

Same goes for Silverstein and the pull it comment.

I know this stuff is way out there. But I thought it was a marginally interesting idea anyway. It does contribute to the "how" of the coverup, because basically it suggests the perps (and others in the know) intentionally out themselves as an unspoken sign of solidarity with other perps.

It's like the S&B rituals, which essentially blackmail members into silence and solidarity.

Simovac, for you on later edit

But do notice, as I pointed out above, that this reasoning doesn't explain the dancing Israeli art student Mossad blatancies. All of Mossad, incriminating itself? Or does this work for you? If so, how?

ON LATER EDIT

Simovac, below you repeat the Open Complicity theory that the Israeli stuff was intentional incrimination. As I ask in this very comment, above in the first version of it, who is openly incriminating themselves in that instance? So now all of Mossad is 'in the group' for having incriminated itself?

I do not see the logic. If you do, please clarify.

Again, Fox milking this Israeli story, repeatedly, just kills it for me. I lose all interest in it, as anything real or worth looking at. It simply MUST be phony, if Fox promotes it.

Oh

the reason I mention it is because she suggests the Dancing Israelis were among these incidents of "bizarre self-incrimination." Why, for instance, did they have to celebrate in public? Why make such a spectacle of themselves? Why were they apparently dressed as Palestinians? The whole thing suggests they wanted to be caught.

And why, as you say Student, would Fox News of all places run a multiple part series on the Israeli spy ring? Fox is just a propaganda wing of the White House. A story that size had to have some kind of authorization from on high.

The stock trades still perplex me. The amount made public is absolutely inconsequential. Why do it? Why take such an enormous risk for so little reward ($2 million)? The downside is being accused of treason.

The Mossad is inept.

The Mossad is inept.

From the Lavon Affair to the USS Liberty to the Palestinian “Al-Qaeda” cell to the recent invasion of Lebanon, the Mossad must surely be ranked as one of the most inept intelligence agencies on the planet. Seems like every time they try to pull a fast one they get caught with their pants down. Never held accountable, obviously, but caught. If not for blanket complicity by the media this would be an open secret.

The Dancing Israelis are indeed a smoking gun. We have credible witnesses, we have unambiguous and detailed testimony describing their “joyful” display DURING the attacks, we have police and FBI reports, we have failed Lie detector tests, we have the Odigo warning, we have the Mossad front in the moving company, we even have a virtual confession on Israeli television (“we were there to document the event”).

This does not mean, however, that I believe the Israelis were the prime movers behind the attacks. They would never risk alienating their sugar daddy in such a fashion, nor would they have been able to get the US air force to stand down. Rather, what we see here is a confluence of interests. The Mossad was probably subcontracted by the Neocons as a means of plausible deniability, the first rule of intelligence. As always, they fucked up the operation royally due to their staggering ineptitude.

As for Fox, my personal opinion is that it was a limited hangout. The information listed above was already available to inquiring eyes, so they spun it as “mossad was tracking hijackers and failed to warn us”. Ditto Democracy Now! Apparently, no one seems to care much if the Mossad failed to warn the US government; similarly, no one much seems to care whether the US government received warnings from other governments and themselves failed to act. So long as those evil Muslims carried out the attacks we're left with a "gray zone" of uncertainty which feeds on itself in a never-ending cycle.

There is another possibility, already mentioned: that the Fox special was a means of planting the “anti-semitism” meme early on. According to Counterpunch, when Abe Foxman of the ADL learned of the series he said: “What are you doing putting this stuff out there? You’re killing us!”

The "self-incrimination" and "they wanted us to know" theories are interesting but perhaps it's just simple probability. Fact is, people make mistakes. They do stupid things in the heat of the moment. 911 was too large and too complex an operation for such lapses in judgement NOT to happen.

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OK, but

Danse, you say, "We have credible witnesses, we have unambiguous and detailed testimony..." and so on.

We also have Fox in love with the story.

Your explanation for that is...? Oh, I see. Limited hangout. Limited hangout of what?

It's quite simple, well not

It's quite simple, well not really but I'll try to explain my take.

The story of the Mossad "tracking the hijackers" and "keeping an eye" on the "Islamic terrorists" actually bolsters the official story, as do the "warnings" of an "imminent attack by Al-Qaeda" that were allegedly "overlooked" by the Bush adminstration. As does the alleged Memo "Bin Laden determined to attack inside US". As the superspy codename Intrepid once said, "nothing fools like a document".

These "warnings" were part of the "cover story". Cover stories, as John Judge points out, actually consume far more time and effort than the actual operation. "Bread crumbs" need to be planted prior to the fact so people look in the wrong direction.

They are forms of "liimited hangout".

There's no real evidence to support the "Islamic terrist" story and a whole bunch to the contrary, but by focussing on such "evidence" the perps can safely hide behind the incompetence defense. When did they know? Did they know? Why didn't they act? Why did they fail to connect the dots?

The story of the Dancing Israelis was not really "exposed" by Fox -- most of the information was already known, witnesses on the record etc. -- it was merely arranged in such a way as to exculpate the Mossad from involvement with 911 and transform it into a story of "tracking the hijackers" and "failing to warn the US". Democracy Now! did the same thing. "Failure to warn" can thence be spun into "failure of imagination", incompetence, etc. -- precisely the purpose of the 911 commission.

If you watch the full expose -- and I have -- the word "hijacker" (ie "tracking the hijackers") appears umpteen times. It thus reinforces the official myth while muddying the waters about the Mossad's (already known) activities.

This is merely one possible explanation. Another, as others have speculated, would be to plant the "anti-semetism" meme early, thereby conflating 911 truth with the neo-nazis. Both explanations are possible. Perhaps there's another I haven't thought of.

What I DON'T consider plausible is that the United States is trying to pin the blame on Israel. Too many hardcore Zionists in the neocon cabal.

The Mossad fucked up, and they had to spin it somehow. So they did. That's my take.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

you are exactly right

On the one hand we have Fox News treating the dancing Israelis as just part of that "tracking the hijackers" story. On the other we have the multiple sources (that are cited by both whatreallyhappened AND cooperative research) that include mainstream newspapers in America, Israel, and elsewhere, that paint a picture much more elaborate than that presented by Fox News.

Fox News is not in fact the administration, it is Rupert Murdoch--period, and he does not take orders from Bush. What makes more sense is that the Fox News series was basically Carl Cameron being allowed to do his job, but only in such a way as was determined by Fox execs to be helpful to the official story. Then, when people said "look, this story is revealing way too much despite being slanted to imply just foreknowledge, they disappeared it.

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I agree with your explanation, Danse

It's probably limited hangout. I was merely thinking aloud with the other post, because I thought the "self-incrimination" hypothesis was interesting to follow. Odds are, Bush was in the classroom not as self-incrimination but for plausible deniability (being out of the loop like Rumsfeld, Myers and everyone but Cheney). Silverstein was probably speaking as a forgetful old man who didn't realize he was incriminating himself.

But as for the Mossad, yes, probably limited hangout. However, if I were the neocons and I were trying to blow up the WTC, I would look to friends to do that kind of job, and not private sector friends because they could sqawk, but intelligence community friends who can't be connected to the US government (like, the idea that the CIA or someone domestic did that job just doesn't sound reasonable, for logistical reasons).

is that the best you've got?

is that the best you've got? that we should ignore it because Fox was all over it? you do know that they abruptly killed the story too right?(after saying they would follow up on it) gee, i wonder why?

Another possible explanation

Another possible explanation -- and I realize this is a stretch -- is that the people who put together the story were actually trying to leak this information to the public without actually acknowledging that the OFT is bogus. Happens all the time in journalism. Reporters know they can't come out and say something like "911 was an inside job", but they can often get away with leaking information that allows the public to put two and two together. The war games are a good example.

It is possible that the individuals who put together the expose were actually trying to do the right thing; who knows.

Either way the Israelis are all over this sucker.

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I get the feeling that Carl Cameron was doing precisely that

As a real patriot he may have thought--damn, I have to fight to get this out somehow...

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Cameron a real patriot? he

Cameron a real patriot? he is related to Bush through family(his sister married a Bush i believe) so based on that and the bulk of his "reporting" for Fox i find that a bit hard to believe. i find it more likely that they just didnt realize the implications of the story they were covering and when they did(or when they were contacted) they quickly "pulled it'. and as you said before you cant find it on the Fox website and they never did a follow up.

It's certainly possible.

It's certainly possible. The problem I have is that Fox wouldn't even allow the Monsanto milk story to air; why so much leeway with the Israeli spies?

I don't know -- the propaganda industry has become so sophisticated that it's hard to adduce what is intentional and what is not.

It's worth stressing that Abe Foxman DID freak out and DID get the info "pulled", so to speak, from Fox's website.

Either way I agree -- the fact that an expose was aired on Fox does not detract from the strength of the evidence on which the expose was based. If Hitler says two plus two equals four, does that mean we shoul rethink mathematics?

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Fox in love?

Not sure where you get that impression. Fox has had Fetzer and Barrett on repeatedly--that might be love. But go to their website and look for mention of the dancing Israeli story--where is it? It's gone! I can't presume to know why Carl Cameron's original report aired and why it was subsequently disappeared--there could be any number of reasons. The question is whether what they reported that day was true or not, and every indication is that it was true--so to dismiss it solely for having been on Fox makes no sense. Have you looked at the link to cooperative research below? The stories are well sourced. It is not for us to explain why either the Mossad or anyone else did what they did on 9/11--it is THEY who need to explain what they did and why they did it. And to the extent that they have, I remain unsatisfied with their account.

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Danse

I am answering my own comment so as to have more room when it displays. Actually, this is in answer to a comment by Danse, above.

Danse,you say that the motive "[could] be to plant the 'anti-semetism' meme early, thereby conflating 911 truth with the neo-nazis."

That is my theory. Whenever they want to just kill a story, they get it linked to anti-Semitism, and by that I mean virulent prejudice against Jews specifically -- Arabs too being Semitic but not included in this particular mix.

Notice that only a holocaust-denying website, visciously anti-Semitic, gave out the awful linking of the anthrax attack with 'evil Jooz' who were trying to do in an Arab colleague. "Most nefarious!" anyone would think. I too.

Whenever I see it, though, I wonder. I have read that Mossad itself plants those kinds of stories, and that kind of evidence.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, Mossad and CIA and ISI and Savak and KGB if it still exists, and all those, are basically one big fraternity. Or maybe its more like various Mafia crime families, all Mafia, but often killing each other, then later joining in on an operation together. Forget the anti-Semitism in all that.

It is an old issue

Historically, Islam phobia began in the early middle ages, soon after Islam got birthed and was spreading rapidly. The phobia against it led, obviously, to the crusades.

Today's phobia against it in this country looks just like the phobia in Europe back then. The language about it is similar, and the gross misconceptions.

Islam did spread through conquest. But, lots more, its spread was by attraction. It has a remarkably attractive 'equalizing' feature, where there aren't higher and lower strata in society.

The lies about Islam then look really disgusting. Similar to the opinions about it today, such as the slurs mentioned above.

We will do well to learn more about Islam.

Our own so-called president had no idea, for example, that there are now two main branches of Islam, namely Shia and Sunni. I think he is aware of that by now, to some degree. Something about the Iraq experience informed him of it.

We make policy knowing absolutely nothing about the peoples those policies affect. We invade countries without any idea of what we are doing, and what the result will be.

“Popular entertaiment is

“Popular entertaiment is basically propaganda for the status quo."
- Erik Barnouw.

Great blog and agree entirely. The individuals most responsible for the coverup of 911 are not the perpetrators of the attacks but rather the legions of mediawhores who shamelessly promote the big lie. They know the score. The perps left ample clues as to who was really responsible (so many, in fact, that some have even suggested this was intentional), so the deception at play here is truly sickening.

[It's a strange idea to contemplate and one that I don't necessarily endorse, but there is a theory that the neocons WANTED the more astute members of the public to know the truth -- thus ensuring even more terror -- knowing full well that no "mastermind" of a false flag operation has ever been held responsible for their actions throughout all of recorded history. Again, not an idea I necessarily agree with, but food for thought (Griffin mentions the theory in his lecture at Madison)]

Anyway, Bill Maher and his ilk are every bit as culpable as Fox News stooges like Bill O'Reilly. Remaining silent is bad enough, but adding fuel to the fire is inexusable.

Technically Maher is an entertainer and O'Reilly a journalist but Maher is seldom entertaining and if O'Reilly is a journalist then so was Joseph Goebbels. The real question is the degree to which an individual influences the political climate, and I have no doubt that Maher's influence is at least as profound as that of Ann Coulter-variety pundits. At this point, there is simply no excuse for perpetuating the 911 blood libel against Muslims and thereby encouraging the continued slaughter in the middle east.

The idea that Islam is an inherently violent religion while Christianity and Judaism are peace-loving is a sick joke, considering the treatment of Palestinians by Israel and the one million plus Iraqis that have been butchered in the past decade. Not to imply that Christianity is inherently violent either, but singling out Islam simply because Muslims happen to sit on alot of oil is cynical scapegoating at its most vicious. Indeed, Maher's behavior would be unacceptable even if Muslims did carry out 911. Last time I checked, it is not logical to hold a billion people accountable for the actions of 19 (22 if we include Osama, KSM and the Pakistani ISI chief ;). Indeed I think there's even a term for it: collective punishment.

Let us hope that Maher and those like him are held to the same standard as O'Reilly and Limbaugh during the 911 trials. At the very least they should be tarred, feathered, spat upon, kicked in the ass and forever banished from civilized society.

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Here's the info on cooperative research...

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_...

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I like Eric Hufschmid better then Bill Maher.

Hey Who is we in your remark (We have very properly marginalized intolerant voices like Eric Hufschmid"
I notice you don’t even have the balls enough to leave your proper name on your website.
Eric Hufschmid has a right to question everyone in this movement his book is what hooked me to 911 truth in 2004 and his movie isn’t the best but it was the first Eric Hufschmid is one of the founding fathers of this movement like it or not .
I Don’t care if you don’t agree in his belief system Holocaust Denial, moon landing, Zionism etc. he has a duty like us all in the real truth movement to make sure that the people who did 9/11 are not going to take over the investigation like they did with the 9/11 commission report . maybe you think that he is approaching exposing these criminals in a different way Eric Hufschmid Christopher Bollyn at least have a direction on the Zionist element and honestly I think in a court of law it would be the easiest to prove. I like Eric Hufschmid better then Bill Maher

Á link to my main problem with Hufschmid

http://www.erichufschmid.net/For_911_victims.html

Thoughts?

As far as straight research goes, his site is a mixed bag of serious issues with things I don't quite understand (Linux is a Marxist plot to rip-off software developers) He is against open source for that reason, he is a homophobe, and his callous approach to legitimate issues like the holocaust is just... too suspicious for someone whose half sister is married to Rupert Murdoch's son.

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community college in Quincy

Yea he is not perfect by any means but he is not a Zionist agent if he is one he really sucks .Big deal if sister married to Rupert Murdoch son good for her I could care less if.Hufschmid Jewish. I don’t agree with everything he says but I truly believe he believes in what he says and he is not a fake like a lot of people in this movement. Email him PainfulQuestions@aol.com
He always answers me back. if you think Hufschmid is an enemy to this movement prove it I am open minded and if you think Bill Maher is on the same page as Hufschmid in destroying this movement maybe you should transfer to a community college in Quincy

I don't know, I just point out problems I have

For the record I did graduate from Harvard ten years ago--currently I work there. So thanks but no thanks, I'm done with formal education which is largely a waste of time and (especially) money.

Speaking of, it seems Harvard history prof and 9/11 Commission senior adviser Ernest May is going to teach his class on the Commission (NOT to expose it, of course) again next fall, to another 12 lucky freshmen.

If people think a petition would fly I'd be happy to write one up... thoughts?

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please

You didnt address what I said how did Hufschmid hurt the movement more then help it

didn't I?

Jumper earrings aren't enough? Look, I've defended Hufschmid's work on 9/11 numerous times, and I will reiterate that he is responsble for and can be credited with agreat deal of help to the movement. He was a good spark plug to get the engine of truth started but he is a bit more... something.... than we need now that we are cruising. Just MHO! :)

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Hufschmid and Linux

Sheeezs, this the most out there stupid conspiracy theory ive ever heard. Ever. That guy is seriously f*** up.
He makes it sound as if it would not be possible to develop/sell commercial closed-source software for linux.
Which of course is total bullshit.

the material from cooperative research



3:56 p.m. September 11, 2001: Five Apparent Israeli Spies Arrested for Puzzling Behavior at Time of First WTC Attack

The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.Five Israelis are arrested for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks. Shortly after an FBI lookout bulletin was issued for a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department in New Jersey stop the van after matching the license plate number with the one given in the bulletin. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approach the van and demand the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, Sivan Kurzberg, does not obey after being asked several more times, so the police physically remove Kurzberg and four other men from the van and handcuff them. They have not been told the reasons for their arrest, but Kurzberg tells them, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” Again before the police have made any mention of the 9/11 attacks, another one of the arrested men says, “we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident.” In fact, it will later be determined they were on the roof of a building at Liberty State Park, watching and videotaping the first crash into the WTC (see Shortly After 8:46 a.m. September 11, 2001). [Bergen Record, 9/12/2001; Ha'aretz, 9/17/2001; CounterPunch, 2/7/2007] The FBI and additional police quickly arrive. They shut down the section of Route 3 in East Rutherford where the van was stopped and evacuate a nearby hotel as a security precaution. [Bergen Record, 9/12/2001] One man is found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another has two foreign passports on him, and a box cutter is found in the van. [ABC News, 6/21/2002] Another has pictures of the men standing with the burning wreckage of the WTC in the background. [Forward, 3/15/2002] All five identify themselves as Israeli citizens and claim to be working for the New Jersey-based Urban Moving Systems company. In addition to the driver Sivan Kurzberg, the others are identified as Paul Kurzberg (Sivan’s brother), Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. The men are detained but not charged. [Forward, 3/15/2002; ABC News, 6/21/2002] The next day it will be reported that “bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives.” An investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy 2006 will say, “[t]here are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted… It looked like they’re hooked in with this [referring to the 9/11 attacks]. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.… It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.” [Bergen Record, 9/12/2001] The FBI will later conclude at least two are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [Forward, 3/15/2002] They are held on immigration violation charges, but will be released 71 days later (see November 20, 2001). [ABC News, 6/21/2002]


October 10, 2001: Two Israelis Are Detained in Mexican Legislature Building after Behaving Suspiciously and Found To Be Carrying Arms

Two Israelis, Salvador Gersson Smike, 34, and Sar Ben Zui, 27, are arrested in the Mexican Congress Building in Mexico City. Smike is carrying a plastic 9 mm sophisticated Glock 9 mm pistol tucked into his underwear in his lower back. Glock pistols are made with a special plastic material and are very easy to smuggle. [Correo, 10/11/2001; El Heraldo de Mexico (Mexico City), 10/11/2001; Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City), 10/12/2001] He also has with him a briefcase reported to contain 58 bullets, bomb-making materials, three detonators, and nine grenades. [El Heraldo de Mexico (Mexico City), 10/11/2001] The two were apprehended after ex-sugarcane workers, who were waiting for a congressional hearing, saw the two Israelis behaving strangely at around 4:00 p.m. They were reportedly photographing the workers below the belt. When the workers demanded that the two men identify themselves, the Israelis said they were press photographers. The workers dismissed their claims, overcame them, and then discovered they were armed with pistols and other high caliber arms. The two men had apparently also been seen the day before taking pictures. [Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City), 10/12/2001] Security guards soon arrived, disarmed the men, and took them to the security office. At around 6:00 p.m., it is learned that the two men are Israelis and that one of them, Salvador Gersson, is a former colonel of the Israeli Special Forces. [Correo, 10/11/2001; Diario de Mexico (Mexico City), 10/11/2001 pdf file] Soon after, a man claiming to be a supervisor from the company, Desarrollo de Sistemas de Seguridad Privada (Private Security Systems Development), says the two men are employees at the firm and that they were taking pictures because they are “vacationing.” The journalists who are present scoff at the claim. [Correo, 10/11/2001; El Heraldo de Mexico (Mexico City), 10/11/2001] After October 13, no additional information is reported about the incident.


November 20, 2001: Israelis Who Videotaped WTC Attack Are Released, Deported

The five Israelis arrested on 9/11 for videotaping the WTC attack and then cheering about it (see 3:56 p.m. September 11, 2001) are released and deported to Israel. Some of the men’s names had appeared in a US national intelligence database, and the FBI has concluded that at least two of the men were working for the Mossad, according to ABC News. However, the FBI says that none of the Israelis had any advanced knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and they were released as part of a deal between the US and the Israeli government. After their release, they claim to have been tortured. [Forward, 3/15/2002; ABC News, 6/21/2002]


May 7, 2002: Explosives Detected on Illegal Israelis

A Fox News report on the Oak Harbor truck incident.A Fox News report on the Oak Harbor truck incident. [Source: Fox News]A moving truck is pulled over for speeding in the middle of the night in Oak Harbor, Washington, near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. The base is the home of the advanced electronic warfare Prowler jets. A bomb-sniffing dog detects explosives on one of the men and inside the truck. High-tech equipment is then used to confirm the presence of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel. Both men turn out to be Israeli (one with an altered passport) and in the country illegally. [Fox News, 5/13/2002] However, the FBI later clears the two men, saying both the dog and the tests just detected false positives from “residue left by a cigarette lighter.” [Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/14/2002; Jerusalem Post, 5/14/2002] The “art student spy ring” frequently uses moving vans as cover, and has been caught spying on the most top secret military bases. [Salon, 5/7/2002] In a possibly related story, the Seattle FBI office that handled this case will be broken into a few weeks later, and even a room containing evidence will be penetrated. [Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/29/2002]


May 2004: More Israelis Are Arrested in Suspicious Circumstances, Again Traveling in Moving Vans

The truck stopped in Kings Bay, Georgia.The truck stopped in Kings Bay, Georgia. [Source: Kings Bay Periscope]On May 9, two Israelis are arrested after a high-speed chase in Tennessee. They are found with false documents. [WCYB 5 (Bristol, Va), 5/9/2004] On May 27, two others are arrested after trying to enter an Atlanta military base. Explosives are possibly discovered in their van. [Kings Bay Periscope, 5/27/2004]

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline


September 16, 2004: Israelis Arrested on 9/11 Sue the US, Claiming Mistreatment and Torture

Four of the five Israelis arrested on 9/11 (see 3:56 p.m. September 11, 2001), Paul and Sylvian Kurcheil, Omer Marmari, and Vyron Shmuel, file a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the US Justice Department. They claim they were arrested illegally, then held without charge and interrogated and tortured for months. Their lawyer claims the case will serve as a venue to debunk theories that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks. [Ha'aretz, 9/16/2004; Jerusalem Post, 9/16/2004] Forward, a publication geared towards the Jewish population in the US, reported in 2002 that the FBI concluded at least two of the five were Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. [Forward, 3/15/2002]

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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does not copy well

A lot of cooperative research's links are dead unfortunately, though ABCNews and most of the small American papers' sites work.

The point here is that these are very bizarre events AND they did not receive as much coverage as they certainly would have had the individuals involved been from, say, Saudi Arabia...

Yet we know they were reported, have not been retracted, and that of course there is more to each story than is evident here. For instance, the role of Michael Chertoff (cousin of Popular Mechanics researcher Ben Chertoff) in securing the release of the dancing Israelis. Also note that apparently only two of the dancers were actually full-fledged Mossad agents. The other three, presumably, were the ones who went on the Isreali talk show to protest that a) they were not Mossad agents and b) they were just documenting the event. Just. Yep. And while not Mossad agents themselves, employees of a Mossad front company. Hmmmm.

The case could be made that these Israelis, like the Patsystanis, were involved only in propping up the cover story, but because it's not just one wire transfer we're talking about, and because Larry Silverstein has a history of attempting to strongarm Israeli politicians, the question is naturally--does the presence of these and other Israelis who were deported (about 160 total) after 9/11 help us with the issue of who would have been willing to put the explosives in the WTC--given especially that many of the deported Israelis are reported to have had training in explosive ordinance...

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Hmmmm...

"but because it's not just one wire transfer we're talking about"

That's all we're talking about in regards to "Patsystan", huh?

What about the fact that the person that ordered the wire transfer was meeting with Washington D.C. officials before, during, and after the attacks?

What about the fact that the person that made the wire transfer was allegedly part of the MI6 according to Pakistan's President?

What about 3 decades of collaboration between the ISI and the CIA?

What about the numerous reports that say that Pakistan's brass was WELL AWARE of the impending attacks?

What about the recent reports that talk about how this Administration is advising "terrorists" through the ISI to attack Iran?

You say, "Yet we know they were reported, have not been retracted", yet when I make that same argument regarding the wire transfer, it's just not good enough for you.

You might be able to fool some of the people, some of the time, but I see right through your bullshit.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

responding under protest....

We only have the word of the FBI to confirm the identity (they used a pseudonym) of the person making the wire transfer.

The wire transfer was made to someone who cannot be credibly linked to the events of 9/11 except for being used, perhaps unwittingly, as a patsy for the cover story.

The Washington officials meeting with Mahmoud Ahmed, who is only alleged by the FBI to have ordered this wire transfer have not been alleged by anyone that I know of having had foreknowledge or a role in planning the events of 9/11.

The dancing Israelis were at the scene of the crime, they were illegaly working in the US and they were working for a Mossad front company. Two of them were active Mossad agents. They were in FBI custody for several weeks until their release was secured by Michael Chertoff, a chief defender and beneficiary of the false 9/11 narrative. Jewish (unbiased) publications in New York and Israel confirm the main thrust of these stories.

To pretend there is equivalence in this case is disingenuous at best, and a sign of an agenda more likely.

I suggest we both try to live up to the request made of us both by site admin not to engage each other in debate, and let the readers judge who they think is spreading bullshit for themselves.

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You're right...

There is an agenda going on here... An agenda that scoffs at what Sibel Edmonds has to say. An agenda that scoffs at Pakistan's relationship to the 9/11 attacks. An agenda that scoffs at any information that points to foreknowledge of the attacks. An agenda that scoffs at any and all information that doesn't coincide with your theory of what happened on 9/11. An agenda that promotes Holocaust denial.

There certainly is an agenda, however it is not by me.

Unless of course the agenda you're referring to has to do with reclaiming this country through absolute truth, and absolute accountability for the 9/11 attacks.

As I've said before, I don't know what happened on 9/11. I don't know if Muslim hijackers were really involved or not. To state that they weren't, as fact, is a lie. However, I do not, and HAVE NEVER condoned the crusade that's taking place against Muslims, and other Arabs in the Middle East Region. As Donna Marsh O'Connor said in front of the United Nations, "HOW DARE THAT WORK IN AMERICA?!?"

You're right, the reader should decide who is a bullshit artist, and who isn't. I have read, and I have decided, and I'm done.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

why then do you constantly defend Larry Silverstein

Who has had multimillion dollar business relationships with people like the founder of http://www.saneworks.us ?

You don't see a problem with Silverstein associating with such a bigot? You haven't even looked at that site have you. Because you know if you do you will reveal that you have either ignorantly or hypocritically been applying a double standard this whole time. You have no interest in investigating larry Silverstein, it's clear. And that is just SO telling.

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A lie...

Were you involved with getting family members to file a peition against NIST? No? So you're saying that you're full of shit? That's what I thought.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Just go play on your own blog.

"RT, Jon,

Since you two cannot agree, I'm going to request that you ignore each
other.

That means;

1) Do not reply to each other's posts.

2) Do not provoke each other by calling the other out on whether or not
you have the "truth".

You are both making our comments area unwieldy, and your arguments can
only turn newbies off.

Thanks."

I am going to be unbelievably pissed if comments get discontinued because you, Jon, are unable to comply with requests from the board admins. RT has not posted on your blogs and there is no reason you cannot return the courtesy. RT, I suggest that you just drop it, too, because Jon is just egging you on.

And here...

We are... one of the biggest proponents of getting Eric Williams off of the AZ ticket because of his association with Holocaust Denial. Why the change of heart casseia? Why do you not mention the snippy little comments both you and RT are leaving around 911Blogger.com to try and egg me on? I think I know the answer to that question, and I think it's pathetic.

Ok, I'm done.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

agreed, thanks.

And to be perfectly fair I did post one comment on one of Jon's blogs by mistake--I didn't see he was the poster of the blog. It was, of course, not at all confrontational or personal.

User #7 or not (yes, Jon Gold is practically a founding member here folks) I think site admin should reiterate their request.

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You're saying that an overt

You're saying that an overt red herring like "dancing Israelis" for whom there is no other demonstrable operational link to 9/11 is superior evidence to an actual financial transfer from a CIA operative in the ISI? Your anti-Zionist slip is showing again, RT. The fact that the head of the ISI (CIA Brotherhood) was meeting here on 9/11, that several news sources reported the transfer, that it was blatantly ignored by the Commission and the MSM, is as damning of an "investigatory" and media coverup as many pieces of evidence you will discuss.

I ask that you consider being more careful in your accusations.  Disagreeing with you doesn't qualify anyone as disinfo.  Being overly sensational ala AJ doesn't qualify as disinfo.  Discussing evidence you personally dismiss doesn't qualify as disinfo. 

One could just as easily argue that by bringing up the Holocaust issue and Israeli links repeatedly on this forum like a dog with a bone -- after being asked to take it to a more appropriate forum -- might suggest an agenda that is not in the best interests of the truth movement. 

You've argued that you insist on the most stringent historical accuracy, yet you demonstrate that you are as willfully selective as those you critique. Can you honestly say that if the head of the Mossad were in DC on 9/11 under the same conditions, if news sources reported a direct funding link to the Mossad, if the MSM and official bodies wouldn't touch it, and if they were more than happy to report on dancing Pakistanis instead, you would dismiss all of it as LHO or disinfo?  Come on!  You keep pushing this as an either/or debate, and it's not.  If anything, the links and ties and operational inputs are probably far more complicated than any of us can ever imagine.

Please show some courtesy and demand the same intellectual honesty of yourself that you do of others.  And thanks in advance for taking this in a constructive spirit.

Hey, it's no "anti-Zionist" slip,

it's an anti-Zionist ballgown and I have a color-coordinated anti-Zionist tuxedo with a boutonniere that matches his anti-Zionist corsage. Zionism is a racist, imperialist, genocidal ideology. It seems increasingly probable to me that 9/11 owes as much to the authors of "A Clean Break" as it does to PNAC -- oh wait, some of those are the same guys.

Means, motive, opportunity. What motive for participation in 9/11 could the Pakistanis have had that would rival the desire for a war spanning Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan in order to "secure the realm"?

$5Billion

In unaccounted aid perhaps? Please stop trying to say that the U.S. and Israel are the only ones that benefiited from the 9/11 attacks. It's not accurate, and is misleading.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

A short play...

Cass! You outed me! And yourself as an anti-Zionist fag-hag!! How dare you.

Let me imagine how this conversation went.

Patsy-er Pakistan!

Yes?

Would you mind terribly commiting an atrocity of mass proportion on the US so that we can blame bin Laden and invade all your neighbors?

Uhhh... what's in it for us?

A billion Patsy Snacks™?

Uhhhh... but won't you then say it wasn't the Bush-linked bin Laden at all, but us Patsystanis?

The thought! Of course not. You're our bestest buddies! Next to PatsyPAC, AIPAC are a bunch of second rate bench warmers.

I don't know...

Would you do it for FIVE billion Patsy Snacks™?

Oooohhh... Rawright!

I'm working on the comic book version as we speak. It's for people who are, uhh... visual learners.

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This is...

Another tidbit of disinformation/misinformation on your part. Who said Pakistan was the only one responsible for "an atrocity of mass proportion on the US?"

Certainly not me (who took the time to transcribe that entire chapter by hand).

And certainly not Paul Thompson who says in 9/11: Press For Truth...

I'm not suggesting from this that Pakistan is the quote unquote "solution" to 9/11 because it's not. Pakistan is one part in a very complicated story. The question to me is who else was involved with Al-Qaeda? Was Al-Qaeda used as a tool just as in the 1980's the Mujahadeen were basically used by the U.S. Government?

Any other tidbits of disinformation/misinformation you'd like to share with everyone?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Ok...

I'm going to comment. Why is it that you have the audacity to link to www.cooperativeresearch.org when it suits your needs (the promotion of Israel behind 9/11, which has not been proven), but are the first one to bash what is probably the most important documentary of our time, 9/11: Press For Truth? A documentary based on the research of that very site.

While we're at it, why do you promote Holocaust denial when you know full well that it hurts the movement? Or, didn't you learn anything from Eric Williams?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I have always been clear on PFT

It is a remarkable film when it delas iwth the formation of the commission and teh response fo legitimate victims' families.

It unfortunately is weak on the physical evidence and furthermore focuses too much attention on Pakistan while not mentioning Israel.

As for your final question Jon, I wonder if you can fist tell me if you have stopped beating your wife? To say that I promote holocaust denial is a time-honored smear tactic round these parts. What I promote is historical revisionism as a matter of course. We cannot honestly argue to people that we should examine the case of 9/11 despite being assured by most people that there is no need to, and then turn around and say that the nature of the holocaust is above questioning. The simple fact that the official narrative of the holocaust has been revised to correct gross inaccuracies since the first show trials were held proves that your approach of not questioning it is exactly as misguided as that of those who insist that no revision of the 9/11 narrative is necessary--that in fact revision of it indicates hatred of America and disrespect of the victims.

I have already explained on this site that Eric Williams is not even a legitimate holocaust revisionist and as evidence offered the fact that in his book "the Puzzle of Auschwitz" he plagiarizes the words of David Cole, a Jewish Canadian holocaust revisionist scholar. Moreover Williams seems to be part of a disinfo scheme involving publishin a series of "puzzle of..." books, culminating in the surprise release of the plagiarized Auschwitz book just in time to bring negative attention to the Arizona accountability conference, a conference which featured clear disinfo shills like Jim Fetzer and limited hangout shills like Sander Hicks. Interestingly enough, you were there with your video camera injecting yourself into the story by trying to intimidate the shill reporter who was asking about Eric Williams and, it seems, disrupting the proceedings (such as they were) in the process. I would argue that the entire Arizona conference was a disinfo show (I assume Steven Jones was fooled into going since I think he is sincere, as are member of the 911Blogegr community who I also think were misled into attending).

As the movement grows, the fakery shows. More and more each day. And as I said before, I HIGHLY recommend that people who know they have been insincere just drop out because they are really not fooling anyone much anymore. There will be accountability regardless of how well they think they have deceived people, period. That is not aimed at anyone specifically--it is a warning to people who know full well who they are.

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Actually...

I was defending a family member against someone who was being disrespectful towards him, and I was thanked by said family member.

You must be delusional to think that your form of Holocaust Denial and Eric Williams' form of Holocaust Denial makes a difference to those who would use the slander associated with it against us.

You are correct, they know who they are, and for the most part, so do I.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

AP “Israeli spying”

AP “Israeli spying” Story an “Urban Myth” According to Justice Department http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=38&x_article=147

The 4000 missing Israelis at the WTC, Odigo warning, & 5 Dancing Spies lies http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html

Why Blame Israel http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/11/233629.shtml

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wow, ít doesn't get much worse than CAMERA

But hey, like I said, let the reader judge.

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did you read the Newsmax

did you read the Newsmax article? lets just say its not surprising considering the source.

I'm glad the desperation factor is kicking in

to such an extent that articles like this are being linked to. Need I say more? I hope that it's clear to people what is going on here, and what it very compellingly indicates.

Ever hit a raw nerve? This is how you know you're on the right track.

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I hope you're not referring

I hope you're not referring to me. No raw nerve hit here, just wide-eyed speculation running rampant, and I linked those to show you that anyone can write anything speculative on THEIR side, and think they are right.

Accountability will never be sought through "controlled demolition". Never.

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The spectacle will never be deconstructed

by proving Patsystani involvement. Never.

don't hold your breath while hoping...

on second thought... :)

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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for those who missed this the last time I posted it

http://www.saneworks.us/

I really should have included it... the man responsible for this rabid neocon hate site was a business associate of Larry Silverstein's when together they were trying to have a "free-trade" zone created in the Negev desert in Israel, that was rejected in part because of Larry's shady strip-club owning ways and the potential according to one Israeli lawmaker for the proposed free trade zone to be used as a drug smuggling base.

Basically the idea was to create a zone free from Israel's strong labor protection laws, along the lines of what Doug Feith and Richard Perle argued for in A Clean Break, their position paper for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Here is his bio:

David Yerushalmi, SANE President and Founder

Mr. Yerushalmi is a lawyer and businessman experienced in strategic business and legal analysis, international business and real estate development, and legal and strategic risk analysis for domestic and international concerns. Mr. Yerushalmi has been involved in international legal and constitutional matters for over 25 years. After completing his undergraduate studies with a B.S. in public policy studies and criminal justice, summa cum laude, Yerushalmi received his Juris Doctorate from Arizona State University College of Law in 1984 as the recipient of the Most Outstanding Graduate Award. After graduation, Mr. Yerushalmi worked as a lawyer specializing in securities, banking, and business law in the Los Angeles office of the law firm of LeBoeuf, Lamb, Greene & Macrae L.L.P. (then known as LeBoeuf, Lamb, Leiby & Macrae). Mr. Yerushalmi is licensed to practice law in California and Arizona.

Yerushalmi's relationship with IASPS began 25 years ago as a dedicated student, and later colleague, of the Institute's president, Robert Loewenberg. From the Institute's founding, Yerushalmi took a leading role as a substantial financial contributor, in addition to serving on the Board of Trustees for over a decade and as Chairman for more than five years. In 1991, teaming up with the Institute's policy experts, Yerushalmi was instrumental in establishing the Israel Export Development Co., Ltd., as an entrepreneurial policy tool to initiate radical free market reforms in Israel. Working along side fellow board members and shareholders such as Robert Tishman, Jerry Speyer, Larry Silverstein, Lawrence Tisch, Eugene Grant and Sy Syms, Yerushalmi was appointed the company's CEO and Chairman.

Over a two-year period, Yerushalmi built an international sales force for marketing free zones and knowledge parks in Israel and around the world, successfully attracting $750 million in financial commitments and identifying over 20,000 high-technology jobs for Israelis. In addition, he successfully headed an international lobbying effort to persuade the late Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Israel's entrenched statist institutions and politicians to enact the revolutionary Israeli Free Processing Zones Law. (The Zone "story" can be found here and throughout the IASPS web site, notably here.) As a result of his work on the Israeli free zone project, Yerushalmi has also provided select services for free zone projects in Hungary, the Republic of Chuvashia, and the Baltic States.

In Yerushalmi's role as an advocate of economic and political reform in the Middle East and in the former republics of the Soviet Union, he was interviewed and written about in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, Reason Magazine, and appeared on local, national, and international radio and television programs.

Yerushalmi continues his active involvement with IASPS by editing and writing contributions to the web site and has published several op eds and commentaries in the Wall Street Journal, the American Spectator, FrontPageMagazine, the American Thinker, The Intellectual Conservative, the Jerusalem Post, and Globes, Israel's leading business newspaper.

Yerushalmi has advised and provided business, marketing, and legal risk analysis for the principals of Fortune 1000 companies and has successfully launched several innovative bio-medical and high-tech companies in the U.S. and Israel. Yerushalmi has been active as a board member of many for-profit and non-profit organizations including the Jerusalem College of Technology, the World Cities Organization, and the Center for the Investigation and Treatment of Addiction.

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that website made me feel

that website made me feel dirty.

I just can't recommend that website highly enough

for those to whom a fetid mudbath of hatred sounds like a relaxing treat. Both the articles and the comments sections that attach to them evince a bigotry of Spinal Tapian proportions.