ISI not connected to Islam, but is connected to 9/11

Abid Ullah Jan has an interesting point of view in this article on recent CIA allegations agains the ISI.

To be fair, like the overall Pakistan military force, the much dreaded ISI has been used like a whore by the CIA in every possible way. At home, both the civilian and military dictators use the ISI as a draconian tool. But this is all that the ISI is: just a tool, without any strategic mission, vision or direction of its own.


In this backdrop, the March 2003 hearing of the U.S. Senate[1] was just another threat in the vast trap being laid for the Pakistani army for the next several years. Furthermore, ISI assets, Saeed Sheikh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were used in operation 9/11. The extent to which the ISI was dragged into the trap of 9/11 is not fully known. That, however, remains a time bomb for Pakistan. It didn’t get diffused with the “termination” of former ISI chief General Mahmood Ahmad. It can explode at any time the US decides to disarm and neutralise Pakistan like Iraq.

MMN recommends The War on Freedom

I wonder why they don't recommend Debunking 9/11 Debunking? Could it be that there is a qualitative difference between Griffin's and Nafeez Ahmed's takes on 9/11? Could that difference begin with L and end in IHOP? And involve framing a well know Muslim country perhaps justifying some coup or invasion in the future? Well.... yeah!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


They recommend some excellent books.

Ahmed writes on topics of covert ops and the fraudulent nature of the "war on terror". There's plenty of room for his work in my library.

Saying that the ISI is manipulated by the CIA isn't exactly LIHOP. It's just another aspect of the story that deserves consideration.

Damn right.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I don't think so.

The main reason that MMN promotes "The War on Freedom" is because of the relationship between John Leonard (publisher of "9/11: Synthetic Terror"), Nafeez Ahmed, and Muhammad Ali Khan, the founder and editor of MMN.

Leonard and Ahmed were both writing for MMN when Leonard solicited a manuscript from Ahmed and they eventually co-produced "The War on Freedom", under the Tree of Life imprint in California.

You can view the publishing details here;

MMN gets the following credit, after the publisher;

"In cooperation with
Media Monitors Network,"

MMN hosted a preview PDF of "The War on Freedom" on their website which was instrumental in driving sales for the book initially. The printed book drove buyers to the MMN website, the arrangement remains mutually profitable.

There is no "qualitative" positioning when it comes to the research of Griffin or Ahmed. In fact, Ahmed cites Griffin's research. Most recently in the article "Interrogating 9/11", published in Italy's "Left Magazine" and re-published in the Australian New Age/Conspiracy/UFO mag, "New Dawn Magazine" late last year;

The World Trade Centre: Demolishing Conventional Collapse Theories

Some of the best work on this subject has, indeed, been done by David Ray Griffin, a professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, who applies his well-honed academic methods of analytical analysis to the questions surrounding the collapse of the World Trade Centre buildings...

Griffin’s contribution systematically deconstructs the various official explanations for why the WTC buildings collapsed, and finds them hopelessly inadequate. Once again, he relies heavily on the research of other scientists, particularly Hoffman’s. He notes the basic claim, also endorsed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report, that the towers collapsed due to fires, and points out that scientific studies carried out by NIST itself “found no evidence that any of the core columns were exposed to temperatures greater than 482˚F (250˚C).” The problem is that steel “does not even begin to melt until it reaches almost 2800° Fahrenheit. And yet open fires fueled by hydrocarbons, such as kerosene – which is what jet fuel is – can at most rise to 1700°F, which is almost 1100 degrees below the melting point of steel.” In other words, the fires were nowhere near hot enough to cause the steel to either buckle, or melt.

He also cites Jones and others.

Further, Ahmed's research into "al Qaeda" has led him to this conclusion, which is similar to the views of Michel Chossudovsky, Peter Dale Scott, and others;

It (al Qaeda) has no existence as an independent concrete entity. It designates a highly developed category of Western covert operations designed to secure destabilization through the creation, multiplication, mobilization, and manipulation of disparate mujahideen groups. The evidence suggests that this was certainly the case on 9-11. - (in The Hidden History of 9-11-2001. Research in Political Economy (Vol. 23). Amsterdam: Elsevier. p. 181)

Emphasis mine.

I think they're mostly right.

Me to...

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I concede the point!

I'm actually really glad you pointed this out, thanks. I'm happy to hear that Nafeez is on board with exposing the controlled demolition of the WTC buildings. I guess I'm just curious now as to what MMN's deal is. I'm just not buying the whole baby steps angle any more. How could anyone think that promoting David Ray Griffin's new book would be a bad idea? No one who reads it can credibly argue that it is anything but thoroughly--exhaustively--researched and more than a fair and objective analysis.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


IMO: This guy had it spot on on the 26th Sept 2001

This guy was someone inside the ISI. Here is an interview he did:


De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?

Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. [B]That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.[/B]


What AbidUllah Jan is suggesting is that the ISI have been made to put their fingerprints on the crime (by being asked to wire the 100K), so that the threat of revealing their 'involvement' keeps them compliant, and I think that is a reasonable hypothesis.

Gul... why does that name sound familiar?

Gul Ducat was an evil Cardassian in Star Trek deep space nine but I know that's not him. I agree with the fingerprint business--sure ties Pakistan's hands, and certainly there are a few Pakistanis who will have some splainin to do to the American people. We just have to keep in mind the word COMPARTMENTALIZATION. I would love to be proven wrong in my belief that the best candidate for the demolition team was Mossad/Israeli military intel. Because that would mean that we had IDed whoever actually did it.

So if we believe the towers and 7 were demolished illegaly, who do we start by questioning? Larry Silverstein of course. Anyone have any better ideas for finding out who rigged the buildings? I'm all ears!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force



"I would love to be proven wrong in my belief that the best candidate for the demolition team was Mossad/Israeli military intel."

yeah, me too. wait, wasn't it marvin bush and his babysitter?
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

RT -

Of course Mr. Silverstein needs to be questioned while hooked up to a lie detector, but I want a list of all the NYC Office of Emergency Management (OEM) guys running around on 9/11/01 with their own communications systems telling people what to do and where to go AND then magically disappearing right before the Towers started blowing up. I also want the FDNY to come clean as to who they forced to tell them about WTC 7 so they could make sure no more of their guys got murdered that day, I'm guessing it was the OEM guys, again.

[Note to disingenuous debunkers: This doesn't mean that I think the FDNY had anything to do with the obvious controlled demolition of WTC 7. It means that they figured out WTC 1 & 2 as they were being destroyed and demanded to know what was going on with WTC 7 because they sure as hell were not going to lose any more guys in buildings being blown up that day. I know a lot of firemen and I know how they think]

I'd also investigate where the key members of certain demolition companies were in the days and weeks before 9/11/01. I'm guessing that most of the WTC records were destroyed in building 7, but I would collect as much information as possible about everything that went on in those buildings in the year prior to 9/11/01 and analyze it very carefully, especially anything having to do with building construction or renovation, starting with the elevator job.

As much as the Pentagon puzzle intrigues me, I'd like to be a citizen member of the panel investigating the destruction of the WTC as I have the patience and attention to detail necessary to sift through the piles of documents in pursuit of the truth. I have a feeling that you'd like to be on this panel, as well.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.