Biblical Christianity & 9/11 Truth
Directly speaking, in December of 2006 I purchased the domain name www.foxnewsantichrist.com because I have now developed a certain level of discernment that drives me to want to daily or weekly blow the whistle on these theatre actors as they enrage me with their lies, which now so often is hurting new 'babes in Christ'. So many people who claim to be Christian have no idea how to view the events around us, and are unable to discern and discipher the garbage the media throws at us without oftentimes merely becoming 'afraid' for their own immediate safety in the coming days and months for themselves, their own families; and they're becoming more and more discouraged from witnessing the Gospel to a 'lost and dying world'
Before I was truly Born Again, I was all over Rush Limbaugh, and taking my cues and developing and shaping my political opinions based on every word the Fox News Sunday fed me.
I will not waste blog space here documenting my testimony, spiritual growth, and eagerly encourage other Christians to seperate themselves from the world as I am 'trying' to do(as I should!); but rather would like to do so on this website I hope to be the sole steward over with help from any of you.
The only credible witness to the truth of what EXACTLY happened on 9/11 is our Creator himself. I think most of us know what didn't happen, based on the exhaustive research and documentation of all the brave soles who have dared to publically question the all the science and propaganda that doesn't add up to satisfy anyone's common sense; but more importantly, given the percieved path of destruction America may be headed for in the months ahead leading up the next anticipated 'presidential election'; I would like an opportunity to use that platform to apply some scriptural truth to expose why Fox News is so deceptive, and just flat-out antichrist, and will most likely be the monopolized mouthpiece for the Anti-Christ himself as we continue to spiral against our will towards global-governance.
This is not meant to be a 'religious' blog, or a 'divisive' accounting of my opinion. This is meant to be an encouragement to all of us to step out of our confort-zone even a little bit more everyday, and be willing to accept certain truths as unchanging absolutes, and become bold enough to call even the littlest of lies, a lie nonetheless.
There is truth, and there is untruth. Our founders knew that, and rested heavily on their faith in one deity, the total inerrancy of the scriptures, and the understanding that a Holy God will never compromise His standards when confronting sinful behavior honestly and pleading with all of us to call an offense to God a sin, plain and simple.
Satan is the father of all lies, and he accomplishes most of his effective work while masquerading as an 'angel of light'.
The Fox News Channel, the neo-con theater directors, and the entire 'right-wing' talk radio/media circuit is one big Satanic machine; and those who buy into their 'visions' and side with their opinions are way more duped than the 'bleeding heart liberals'. But I'll write more about that on my website if I can ever get it up and running.
At this point, I do not know what to do. I know there are just a lot of confused, uncertain, and decieved professing Christians out there who just don't know what to think, where to go to church, who to listen to, and worse off; are being fed a bunch of hate-mongering gobblity-goop propaganda by the Chief enforcer to blast us 9/11 truth-seekers as, well, every name in the book.
I want to help, and yes, I want to use the KJV Bible to open some eyes and convict some hearts on my website. 9/11 truth is not a hill I'm willing to die on, but the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is! And if we're all willing and bold enough to profess 9/11 was an inside job to our families and co-workers or bosses(essentially risking our personal reputation and employment for doing so); we ought to also, in the same breath start aggressively advancing another thought-provoking truth upon our fellow citizens; that God HATES Girls Gone Wild!, and has every right to judge this nation for its wicked immorality and its accepted promotion of sexual perversion that continues to become more publically promoted and marketed exponentially like our cancer rates every year!
If you're a 'geek', and can host and design my website around my commentaries as I will then make a more determined effort to watch FNC with a purpose, I'd love to help you all dispell the myths and spin and insults they hurl at us, using (a hint) of the same biblical wisdom and discernment our founding fathers had that inspired them to sacrifice IT ALL in order to found this republic we are about to lose. Who really knows how close we are to door-to-door gun confiscation, and who really knows how confident they are that we won't resist with such an overwhelming response that God's people would truly 'win the day' once again in human history, and earn even one more 220-plus year reprieve from the hands of tyranny?
Some stupid people at one point in our nation's history demanded they had a collective 'right' to willfully sin against God, and had it put on the law books. These laws tempted our flesh, and through years of watered-down preaching our ancestors, grandparents, parents and now us have compromised our personal ethics so far, ignored our God-given conscience-revelation about what to do when tempted to sin, and have rationalized and justified so many of our poor behaviors as 'to be expected' that we have minimized and forgotten that God still has and active interest in the affairs of men, and we have turned a deafening ear to His level of disgust plainly read to us repeatedly in the pages of the scriptures.
Now, I believe, through His infinite mercy, as sure as I have been afforded the opportunity to 'publish' for general consumption what I have written here tonight; I think we'd all better humbly and deliberatley decide to examine our own behaviors and priorities and begin to learn and promote once again God's behavioral standards all over America by merely practicing daily self-restraint in the eyes of our Creator, and our fellow man!
So many of our founders knew and professed that our liberties were directly linked to our willingness to shame those who would mock God's moral absolutes regarding our individual attitudes and behaviors(either privately or publically). Simply put, we'd better once again aggressively awaken and speed-up the pulse of this nation by demonstrating that we do care about what God thinks about us as a nation by practicing self-restraint right where we are today in our own households and neighborhoods, and demand once again that our representatives do the same or they will be publically executed by us in the form of being forced to vacate their office immediately, lose their media influence and their achieved level of respect permanently in the eyes of the citizens of the United States!
We need to become very conscious of what we allow into our minds through our ear-gates and our eye-gates; and if we're taking in more FNC, Rush Limbaugh, or even Alex Jones moreso than the holy scriptures; we're at a severe disadvantage as to how to combat these neo-cons and preserve and protect our families, and keep them intact. We're being fed a lot of lies, from a lot of people, who more often than not appear to be on our side, and 'fighting for us'; but unless we dare to know and accept the end that is coming(Biblical prophesy), and reviewing once again and knowing the beginning(Adam and Eve) and how we got to where we are today; we are all pretty much willingly ignorant and therefore ripe to fall head-first into their fear-mongering paralyzing propaganda machine.
They are doing a pretty good job these days through their mind games, and impressive graphic presentations, of chewing up, and then grinding into powder beyond repair many useful and talented individuals, that I believe God had set aside for great usefulness. We just don't know the purposes our Creator created each one of us to accomplish in our short lives, and I think it's either long past time, or maybe even just about that time we take advantage of His longsuffering grace and mercy while we still can; or we and our children are all gonna end up in some concentration camp very soon. And when it happens, it will be our fault for failing to humbly ask for forgiveness, and walk in obedience to His Word, and then demand the same standard of those we have allowed to rule over us.
Please contact me if you'd like to encourage me or even help me get started actively publishing my 'analyses' on the website I purchased. At this point, I don't even watch much television because it gets me too worked up, and I have no where to go with my inner-rage(which is really just my compassion for lost people and young Christians who are being deceived). Email me at jakehenry44@yahoo.com
In Christ,
John E. Eleniewski
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Glad you woke up.
I do not agree with your Christian rhetoric but to each his own. Is there a 'God'? Who knows, but Christianity is just the latest recounting of a very, very old story. Do you know where it all started? Astrology.
The Truth About The Jesus Myth Part 1
if there ever was a time to post this on 911blogger...
one of my favorite christian rock performances...
JOHN DAKER!!!!!
http://anti-neocons.com/
LOL
Sadly John Daker could easily be elected the next American President he already has a 30% Base of voters.
Jeebus
Totally agree with Big-D..."Glad you woke up" to 9/11 truth and the bald faced lies of Faux Noise, BUT stop with the literally insane Christian extremism.
What you just wrote here sounds exactly like some Muslim extremist, there is no difference at all.
Religious insanity is the same disease regardless of what strain of that infection you are suffering from.
I have painstakingly & thoroughly researched for over 34 years Christianity mostly but since virtually all religions are related also know a bit about Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and the ancient paganism of Sumeria, Babylon, & Kemet which all of them originated from. This research was totally non bias and I was lead solely by empirical evidence.
""So many people who claim to be Christian have no idea how to view the events around us""
True, about 95% of Christians don't even have a clue what Christianity itself is, where it originated, that the NT is just an Astrological Drama written in the old Pagan Passion Play style.
Christians have no clue about the world around us because they have been brainwashed into believing a bronze age pagan fairytale is somehow relevant in factual reality in the 21st century.
around 50% of the American populace are actually delusional enough to believe that their mythical sun god is going to destroy the Earth "yet again" within the next few decades and come back in a "second coming".
What such insane beliefs do is to put those infected with this Meme into a complete state of denial about what is really happening around them.
If you fully believe the Earth is coming to an end shortly then why care about "Global Warming"? or the fact that the USA is now one Supreme Court Justice and one more False Flag attack away from a Fascist Police State.
Christians see all this as a good thing, as signs of their mythical sun god returning to scoop them up and take them away while he brutally murders more than 5 Billion innocent human beings.
""Before I was truly Born Again""
Do you even know where the saying "Born Again" & its meaning really came from? No you don't.
To be born again came from the Mithraic ritual of the "Taurobolium" where the person to be "born again" walked down into a deep pit naked, over top of this pit was a heavy wooden grate of which a Bull was then sacrificed this would basically cause a waterfall of blood to wash over the the poor deluded fool. They were "washed in the blood of the bull".
The small opening leading into & out of this pit represented the vaginal canal of the Cave of life and the person emerging from this hole was said to be "Born Again" from the Mithraic Cave where they believed all life was conceived.
The Bull was used because the Cult of Mithras was started when Taurus was rising during the equinox.
In Christianity some 600 years later Aries was rising during the equinox thus the Bull was replaced by the "Lamb" and the "Taurobolium" replaced with the "Criobolium" which is where the "Washed in the blood of the Lamb" comes from.
""eagerly encourage other Christians to seperate themselves from the world as I am 'trying' to do(as I should!); ""
Pretty scary statement not exactly sure what to make of it, I may be misunderstanding it.
""This is not meant to be a 'religious' blog, or a 'divisive' accounting of my opinion"'
Surely you jest? How much more religious & divisive could it possibly be?
"""Our founders knew that, and rested heavily on their faith in one deity, the total inerrancy of the scriptures, ""
This is utter bullshit, just the usual Christian rhetoric & reconstruction-ism.
If that were true then all of our documents from this time period such as DOI, Constitution etc would be rife with Christian dogma and we would have been founded as a Theocracy not a SECULAR NATION with no mention of any specific god other than "Nature" in any of our founding documents.
Most of the founding fathers were Deist, some Agnostic, even a few Atheist (Though some in politics called themselves "Unitarian Universalist" back then) and yes some Christians but this country was NOT in anyway founded as a "Christian Nation" that is utter bullshit and a hilarious attempt to re-write what is so well documented.
""9/11 truth is not a hill I'm willing to die on, but the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is!""
Yet another scary statement of religious extremism, willing to actually die for a simple belief in something that clearly does not exist.
""same breath start aggressively advancing another thought-provoking truth upon our fellow citizens; that God HATES Girls Gone Wild!, and has every right to judge this nation for its wicked immorality and its accepted promotion of sexual perversion that continues to become more publically promoted and marketed exponentially like our cancer rates every year! """
You are clearly INSANE.
Sex is just that Sex and nothing more, silly caveats from bronze age Bedouins written in a 2000 year old book of contradictions should not be adhered to anymore than we do not consider Slavery acceptable today, or stoning people to death or burning witches etc. Bronze age mentality about sexuality in today's world is no less pathetic.
"God hates girls gone wild" ROTFL get a grip.
""God's moral absolutes regarding our individual attitudes and behaviors(either privately or publically). Simply put, we'd better once again aggressively awaken and speed-up the pulse of this nation by demonstrating that we do care about what God thinks about us as a nation by practicing self-restraint right where we are today in our own households and neighborhoods, and demand once again that our representatives do the same or they will be publically executed by us in the form of being forced to vacate their office immediately, lose their media influence and their achieved level of respect permanently in the eyes of the citizens of the United States!""
More scary statements by a clearly delusional psychotic religious extremist, it is people like YOU who are the problem
"""but unless we dare to know and accept the end that is coming(Biblical prophesy), and reviewing once again and knowing the beginning(Adam and Eve) and how we got to where we are today; we are all pretty much willingly ignorant and therefore ripe to fall head-first into their fear-mongering paralyzing propaganda machine. ""
More proof that you have completely divorced yourself from factual reality.
You believe the world is coming to an end soon even though in "(Biblical prophesy") it was supposed to happen during the lifetimes of the so called disciples.
You believe that 6000 years ago "Adam & Eve" just popped into existence with a divine breath & a few choice words of Hebrew.
When in fact this fable can be irrefutably traced back to ancient Sumeria & the Enuma Elish.
So just who is preaching "fear-mongering paralyzing propaganda""? Sounds like both YOU and Faux Noise are to me.
After reading this I literally shuddered all over, I really pity people like you and wish I could help you but sadly society puts delusional psychotics on a pedestal and makes helping them impossible because they can hide behind religious freedom.
I would suggest taking a stroll to your nearest Sanitarium, as you are walking up to the front desk tilt your head back and close your eyes while waving your arms back N forth shouting "praise him" and spew any verse of your choosing.
When you feel the net drop over you just keep your eyes closed, you will feel a sharp sting of the needle but don't fight it, they are there to help you.
Pretty scary post.
Pretty scary post. It disturbs me that this individual is probably representative of a large swathe of the US population. The US has a degree of religious fanaticism not seen in any other Western Nation; in many ways it resembles Europe during the black plague.
This was partly by design; as long as Bush and his ilk can pretend they hate abortion they can continue feeding cash into the corporate cryptocracy. Similarly, "godless communism" was the perfect excuse to rape the third world and oppress labor activists in the United States.
Anyone who actually takes serious the words of Jesus as per the Bible would have nothing to do with the religious right.
Check out Tolstoy, Dorothy Day and the Catholic workers movement or Jacques Ellul's protestant anarchism; capitalism and wage slavery are incompatable with the (supposed) Christian ideals of free will and "thou shalt not steal".
As for the "end of the world" theory, they've been preaching that shit for hundreds of years and (predictably) it never came to pass. Anyone with a shred of sanity will assume that the world will go on for quite some time. It is incredibly irresponsible and narcissistic to ASSUME otherwise, that the world is "going to end" in your lifetime and to use that as an excuse to forfeit the future of your grandchildren.
What a mess.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
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To understand where their 'end of the world' clap-trap comes from you must understand that all religions originated from astrology.
Hint: The 'age of Aquarius' is upon us. Simply, We're in the 'awakening' age now, the 'enlightened' age is coming. Their end times are actually man-kinds true beginning.
I'm a Christian, but it's
I'm a Christian, but it's about the principles for me not nutty interpretations of things, I think that's anti-Christian frankly.
Watch this, very funny and very frustrating;
Louis Theroux : The Most Hated Family in America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4413388146858417528
Louis meets the Westboro Baptist Church.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6507971.stm
This blog actually made me think of that film.
That family, right or wrong, is just following the bible as it has been interpreted for a couple of millennia. I have to laugh a today's Christians trying to water down the true hate & violence of their man made 'God'.
No offense.
don't just blame christians
or is blame even the right word? watering down the violence in something like the OLD testament is even as important given the nastiness contained in that tome (and in the Talmud)
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
ha! falseflag rightwing christians!
So I wonder what these people think about 9/11? sorry Dem, but have you considered that this whole thing might be staged for some purpose? It's just too surreal. I wonder why the left hasn't done this ages ago to finally drive the nail in the coffin of their bible belt adversaries?
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Something does not add up with that family...
Near the end of that documentary, they mention that they have spent around $200,000 in just air fares to get to events in the last few months...
I can't believe they have gainful employment, or anyone would buy any of their wares...
So where does their financing come from ???
My guess is that they are just another hateful distraction, someone who you can feel good about hating, sponsored by Mr X.
Who knows...
Best wishes
Their funds come
complete idiots that send them money just like they do Robertson, Falwell, Tilton etc.
First, welcome to
First, welcome to 911Blogger.
Judging by the score given to this blog post, and some of the comments here, it seems some people are disagreeing with you.
Let me also chime in. I agree with a lot of what you have written, and I don't think you are crazy as some other commentators have mentioned.
You are absolutely right when you say that the the only One who knows everything, hidden and open about what happened on 911 is God Himself. Although I am not a Christian, and disagree with many of the things that modern Christians do and believe -- I firmly believe in God, the One, the Unique, and I also believe that Jesus the son of Mary was the Messiah, sent to the Children of Israel.
I've noticed that there are a lot of parallels between belief and denial when looking at how they apply to religion and how they apply to something like the 911 Truth Movement. We can see ourselves in this movement as literally awake, we know and understand what is happening in the world to a much greater degree than those who are still asleep. Our belief required 3 things:
a) an ability to think rationally
b) an ability to overcome the obstacles of the ego (which puts up barriers such as cognitive dissonance when it feels threatened) and be intellectually honest
c) the interest to actually look into and study the subject.
I think that people who possess these 3 things should be able recognise the truth about 911. There are intelligent people out there, but they haven't looked into it, so they are ignorant. There are people who are intelligent, who have looked into it, but their ego prevents them from accepting the turth for various reasons (love of status, pride, fear, etc.). They are misguided. You can sometimes perceive those whose ego binds them by noticing that they speak mockingly, offensively, angrily, as if to reassure and reinforce their own beliefs. An example would be the people at SLC, and interestingly enough, some of the comments above are also of that nature.
As for believers in 911 Truth, we have looked into it and studied it, and we and have mentally accepted the consequences of what it means. So we are believers in the Truth Movement.
Similarly with religion. Some people will not investigate for themselves, and they deprive themselves. Some people's ego prevents them and covers up the truth in their hearts. They are misguided.
What I'm trying to say is that people who deny God, deny him for the same reasons that people deny the truth about things like 911. I think that the underlying psychology is the same -- linked to one of the 3 reasons above.
To be honest, from my own experience, when you find out about 911, it is as if you go down a rabbit hole. You start researching and pretty soon, you will start understanding topics and ideas that years or even months ago, you would just immediately dismiss as crazy. For example, now I know about Fractional Reserve Banking and the Federal Reserve. Now I know about the whole MKULTRA scheme, and how it was used during the assassination of RFK.
Link: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=8965&page=2&type=
Now I know about the idol at Bohemian Grove and other weird things.
So, today, if someone were to tell me -- "hey guess what, planes are spraying chemicals on people and they are called chemtrails" -- I would say, "hmmm.... I dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was true." Whereas before, when I was 'asleep' I would perhaps just dismiss it out of hand.
What we accept as self-evident tomorrow is something that today, we might reject completely, because we are just not ready or able to mentally go there yet.
Everyone here is awoken to different levels, and hopefully we will continue to grow and grow.
Bull
"What I'm trying to say is that people who deny God, deny him for the same reasons that people deny the truth about things like 911. I think that the underlying psychology is the same -- linked to one of the 3 reasons above."
I deny the existence of any god because there is absolutely ZERO evidence of any kind whatsoever that proves it and anyone that says there is are lying to themselves.
Those that believe in something without a single shred of evidence are the ones that are suffering from severe Cognitive Dissonance.
I absolutely guarantee you that I have researched religion FAR more than you ever will and have used A,B&C of your list to the fullest extent.
Pity you don't research religion as much as you do 9/11.
Hello
Hello
I'm not a psychologist, so I freely admit that my categorisation is simplistic and could be improved.
These are simply my thoughts and conclusions based on my own observations.
Having said that, I do think that the psychology behind denial is the same in both cases. I'm not talking about agnosticism, but about outright, hostile denial, as you seem to represent.
Certainly, you are correct in one sense that many people who count themselves as believers, only follow what their parents or forefathers followed, and they don't investigate because of fear or ego. But there are others who have done and do investigate, and believe after careful thought and analysis, so you cannot categorise all believers together.
Also, bear in mind that reading a lot of material does not necessarily mean that one has looked into the matter. Example: Popular Mechanics has read and studied 9/11 in a lot more depth than I may have, and they have even written a book about it. Does that mean that they are right, or that their beliefs are correct? Of course not. Even illiterate and uneducated people are perfectly capable or recognising the Creator, and with insight too. Looking into the subject of religion is not necessarily acheived only by reading books. Similarly with intelligence. Your definition may not match mine.
I also strongly disagree with you when you say that there is no evidence for a Creator and when you suggest that I have researched and studied 911 but not religion. Since you don't know me, this is certainly a baseless assumption on your part.
I am completely intelletually and rationally convinced of the existence of the Creator, just as I am convinced that 911 was a false flag operation.
My firm belief is that:
1) God guides whoever He chooses.
2) God guides whoever inclines towards Him.
(PS - I would like to send you a private message, but you are not accepting emails though 911Blogger.)
(PS - in reply to your post a few posts below this one, about increasing levels of aethism in America making it a better place... I think this is very wrong. I point to aethist China as an example of why aethism does not equal rationalism or result in a better society.
what you call
"hostile denial" is just me stating provable fact.
To someone delusional and suffering from severe Cognitive Dissonance being faced with irrefutable fact can be misread as hostile.
I have done far more than simply read material for 34 years. and Popular mechanics is a poor example because they are actively trying to deceive by telling what they know perfectly well is bald faced lies.
Actually it is mostly illiterate and uneducated that "recognise the creator" as these many well documented & researched studies show very clearly.
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
""also strongly disagree with you when you say that there is no evidence for a Creator"'
Then prove it, show me this creator of yours, I'll be waiting on the edge of my chair.
You're free to contact me
You're free to contact me via email.
Do Justice
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/04/do-justice.html.
actually
and thankfully only 72-73% today claim to be Christian in this country down from the all time high of 86% back in 1990. (85% is a 17 year old poll)
As a matter of fact at current rates of attrition of the past 17 years Atheist/Agnostics will out number Christian in this country by 2040.
Maybe by then when we have more rational thought, less delusion we might start to get this country back on track.
What about appreciation of
What about appreciation of Jesus as a philosopher Nunyabiz? What's wrong with just being good to people? What about recognising the fact that whether you believe in "God" or not, positive and negative polarities have been present in the universe since the big bang, and it's up you to evolve yourself and preferably align yourself with the positive?
Seriously what you have an objection to isn’t true Christianity, but rather some incorrect evaluation based on the dogmatic actions of moronic people.
Also if you knew about some of freakish shit pushed by apparent "Atheists" you'd be pleased to just let people get on with their comparatively benign "delusions", rather than accept the "alternatives". Have a look at the "Georgia Guide Stones" and what their "Age of Reason" entails - i.e. "A new world religion based on "Reason" ", "World population reduced to 500 million". Personally I'd rather let people get on with their lives, rather than have insane ideas imposed me by anyone whether it be people who pervert what all the major world religions advocate, or nutjob lunatics calling themselves "Atheists".
Oh, and Richard Dawkins uses the official 9/11 story as a "validation" for why "Religion is bad", looks like his religion of "Reason" isn’t very good at reasoning.
That is like saying
what about the appreciation of Santa Clause as a Philanthropist? How can I appreciate a mythical being?
There is not a single shred of evidence to show that any so called "Jesus of Nazareth" ever existed, in fact just the opposite.
Not a thing wrong with "being good to people" however religion in general has made that almost an impossibility because of the silly religious dogma that so many brainwash themselves into believing.
thus we have human beings all over the planet hating one another for absolutely ridiculous petty, delusional reasons.
I have aligned myself with the positive, I reside in factual reality. There is no such thing as "True Christianity" there are some 33,800 different sects of Christianity and ALL of them think they are "True Christians" this is the nature of religious insanity.
As for the so called "Georgia Guidestones" sorry to burst your bubble there bud but that BS has absolutely nothing to do with Atheist.
That is 100% Religious crap.
The lunatic that erected those stones made this statement.
""He stated that he represented "a small group of loyal Americans who believe in God." He said they lived outside of Georgia and simply wished to "leave a message for future generations.""
What part of that sounds like "Atheism" to you?
Not to mention this is nothing but some nuts pulling a prank this isn't Billions of delusional humans around the planet calling for the deaths of all who don't believe in their mythical sun god.
As for Dawkins I have no idea why such an intelligent man would be fooled by the Official Conspiracy Theory but is has nothing to do with Atheism.
See how such a volatile
See how such a volatile topic this can be? Hahaha, unreal.
"thus we have human beings all over the planet hating one another for absolutely ridiculous petty, delusional reasons"
^ Yea that's true, you being one of them right now. You have a very dogmatic and bigoted view yourself, your hatred of people who appreciate the moral and progressive aspects of most of the world’s major religions is very stunted and close-minded frankly, so check yourself "Bud". And as for the Georgia Guides Stones not being paid for by people seeking "An Age of Reason" well hmm, what's this;
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/images/ggtitle.jpg
And as for Dorkins' great reasoning skills, check this;
http://richarddawkins.net/images/RDFflyerIMAGINE_V3.jpg
And to be honest it doesn’t matter to me whether Jesus existed or not, there are Roman records of his existence, but I agree with a the principles of goodness, helping others, doing what's right etc, and thousands of years ago people weren’t as enlightened as they are now so living by something that promotes these core principles was how society didn’t turn to shit. The maintenance of morals in society is incredibly important and Religion has helped a great deal to bring the human race to where it is today in that aspect, that's why Dawkins' position is so invalid and without substance. I agree that the persecution of Galileo and other great scientists was completely ridiculous, but again that's men with power (the Church at the time) trying to maintain their power by not having the people question the nonsense they had built their authority on. There's nothing about the valid principles of most of the world’s main religions that have anything to do with corrupt men with power, except that corrupt men with power will exploit things in society that hold sway with the public (like religion) to do f*cked up things.
Bush uses religion for political purposes etc and it's nothing new. Other things like Israel and Palestine for example aren’t about religion, it's tribalism and territory which drive that and many other conflicts were "Religion" is incorrectly cited as the cause. I agree with Science, I don't agree with mad scientists and Eugenics - something which was concocted by Darwin’s cousin Francis Galton. I think science and sincere reasoned religion or spiritual faith are not just compatible but a necessity to each other for one who is trying to gain a full understanding of what life is. So I'm not going to hate on you for hating on what you think "Religion" is, all I can say is that you should be more open-minded towards why people appreciate frame works like religion which can help with moral development and positive ways of living.
And as for Dawkins’ self-styled Ten Commandments, I’ll take what Moses (real figure or not) had to offer any day over that definition of uninspiring.
I'm not particularly interested
in arguing about "reason" with someone that believes in magic and mythical invisible beings.
Be like talking to my cat about whats on TV tonight.
That quote "Age of Reason" has nothing to do with Atheism in the context it is used, they aren't referring to Thomas Paine or any Atheist org.
Religious fanatics consider their ridiculous dogma to be perfectly logical & reasonable.
and again what part of this don't you understand?
"""a small group of loyal Americans who believe in God."
This is nothing but a practical joke anyway not a serious cult or some evil underground Atheist coterie bent on world domination ROTFL.
Or any religious nuts either for that matter, odds are it is a stunt pulled by that Granite company.
My view is not "dogmatic" it is based entirely on empirical evidence.
"And to be honest it doesn’t matter to me whether Jesus existed or not, there are Roman records of his existence"
I will send you a check for $1000 for each and every "Roman Record" that talks of a "Jesus of Nazareth" I have researched this subject for 34 years, I guarantee there are none.
As a matter of fact there are ZERO "contemporary" records of ANYKIND from anybody that prove such a person existed.
but I agree with a the principles of goodness, helping others, doing what's right etc,
So do I, So does every sane person on the planet however belief in magic and mythical sun gods have nothing to do with these principles. Actually religious dogma places caveats on these basic tenets of humanity.
maintenance of morals in society is incredibly important and Religion has helped a great deal to bring the human race to where it is today in that aspect
Dead wrong, religion has mutilated morals & ethics.
What they preach is meaningless because their actions are exactly the opposite.
that's why Dawkins' position is so invalid and without substance
LOL and what would that be?
I’ll take what Moses (real figure or not) had to offer any day over that definition of uninspiring.
Moses was not a real figure and the Ten Commandments come directly from the 42 Admonitions of Ma'at written some 1000+ years before Judaism existed.
Also as a so called Christian why do you care about Jewish tenets?
and what is inspiring about the 10Cs?
Other than a couple of obvious basic ones such as Don't steal, don't kill, the rest are pure religious pabulum that have no relevance in 21st century society.
Yes religion is volatile that is why it has caused more death, war, civil unrest, racism, sexism, destruction of whole cultures, Genocide than any other single factor in human history.
We will just have to agree to disagree because I will always follow factual reality & empirical evidence in my decision making.
actually check out theresistancemanifesto.com
how's that not the same? And the post of the guys walking around NYC with that website on a 9/11 banner has mostly tens? What is wrong with this site these days?
apparently there's a big ënd-times" contingent in 9/11 truth, including AJ and John Conner (aka Mark Dice) going around quoting revelation. Apparently THATS what this NWO bs is all about. Just another flavor of corrupt religion for the feeble minded.
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"NWO bs?" You need to to do
"NWO bs?" You need to to do some research on the new world order. Many "elites", who are a part of the new world order, even call it that exact same name themselves. This is not a conspiracy theory. It's conspiracy fact and conspiracy reality.
I know that the phrase "new world order" is a broad one. There is no set definition of what it is exactly, but unlike "terrorists" or "Al Qaeda", the phrase "new world order" is not used in the same manner.
Whether someone believes in the Bible or not, those involved in the "new world order" believe they are ushering in what has been foretold for thousands of years. Most of them believe that there is a God and that satan is real. Most world leaders and "elites" worship satan, whether it be openly or under the guise of freemasonry. I'm not saying that all freemasons worship satan. Your average freemason is ignorant to what freemasonry really is and the history and origins of it, but the higher degree of freemason, the more likely the chances are that one does worship satan. This is documented. There are ex 33rd degree freemason (the highest degree) who say that when one becomes a 33rd degree freemason that satan appears before them. This is a complex, detailed issue. I'm not trying to start a debate about religion, Christianity or freemasonry. I'm just stating the way that it is seen by many who have studied the subject.
The following site is a great source for information on the new world order. Here is a list of the pages I would suggest someone begin with:
http://www.threeworldwars.com/intro.htm
http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm
http://www.threeworldwars.com/nwo-timeline1.htm
Here are some very telling quotes on the New World Order (some relating to satan) that should be enough to wake up anyone in the world:
- "The United Nations is the greatest fraud in history. It's purpose is to destroy the United States." (John E. Rankin, a U.S. Congressman)
- "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." - David Spangler (Director of Planetary Initiative - United Nations)
- "The age of nations must end. The governments of nations have decided to order their separate sovereignties into one government to which they will surrender their arms." (U.N. World Constitution)
- The first president of the United Nations General Assembly, Paul-Henri Spaak, who was also a prime minister of Belgium and one of the early planners of the European Common Market, as well as a secretary-general of NATO, affirmed, "We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him."
- "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control....Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." - Congressman Larry P. McDonald
- "The super rich in America enjoy power and prerogatives un-imaginable to most of us. Who can conceive of owning a private empire that includes 100 homes, 2,500 servants, untold thousands of luxuries, and untold millions of dollars? America has a royal family of finance that has known such riches for generations. It is, of course, the Rockefellers.
But if the Rockefellers were content with their wealth, if their riches had satisfied their desires, this book would not have been written. And I would not be urging you to read it. Money alone is not enough to quench the thirst and lusts of the super-rich. Instead, many of them use their vast wealth, and the influence such riches give them, to achieve even more power. Power of a magnitude never dreamed of by the tyrants and despots of earlier ages. Power on a world wide scale. Power over people, not just products.
The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime, the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.
For more than one hundred years, since the days when John D. Rockefeller Sr. used every devious strategy he could devise to create a gigantic oil monopoly, enough books have been written about the Rockefellers to fill a library. I have read many of them. And to my knowledge, not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world.
Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do.
I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent. You will find the truth-often surprising, sometimes unpleasant, always vital-in the pages that follow. Gary Allen has done a masterful job of combining the hundreds of scattered facts and hidden clues of the Rockefeller puzzle until one unmistakable pattern emerges.
The picture that is revealed when The Rockefeller File is finally opened may shock you. In this book, you will learn why the Rockefellers follow the policies they do, what their goals are, where they intend to take America ... and why it is essential they be stopped. I urge you to read The Rockefeller File and to encourage your friends to do the same." - Congressman Lawrence P. McDonald - November 1975
- "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.
If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller
- "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."
Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government.
- "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House
- "Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure."
Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times
- "From the days of Sparticus, Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, belacoon, Rosa Luxenberg and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the under- world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."--Winston Churchill to the London press in 1922
- "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the
scenes."-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court
- "Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson
- "My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new world order."
(Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations, October 1975)
- "Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991
- "NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order."
Henry Kissinger when campaigning for the passage of NAFTA. The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United
States to change it's perceptions." World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994
- "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller
- "I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!" --George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in1957.
- "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."
Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
- "The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915
- "The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of US. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government".
Chester Ward, Rear Admiral and former Navy Judge Advocate 1956 - 1960 and CFR member for 15 years
- "The United Nations has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand. The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'"
Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- New York Times (February 1962)
I don't think
RT is saying he doesn't believe the NWO crap exist he is just calling it BS, which it is.
He also simply made a reference to it being religiously based, which it is.
I agree on both points. I've
I agree on both points. I've read some of his thoughts on this subject in other topics. I was just posting some additional information.
I don't care about getting voted down, but I hope it's not because people don't believe what I posted. If that's the case, those people need to realize that 9/11 is a lot bigger than a false-flag terrorist event just to start a global "war on terror" or to erase our rights or to start wars with other countries. It's a lot deeper than that.
Everyone needs to research the individual "world leaders" and the other "elites" (Bildergergs, Bonesmen, Bohemian Grovers, CFR members, UN members and Tri-Lateral members) who make up the new world order. You will find that their personal views and beliefs are the center for what's really going on in the world around us.
Thanks Nunya
The idea of ushering in a new world order (notice I don't use caps) is nothing terribly surprising. Like the song goes: Everybody wants to rule the world. Many people who are idealistic talk about establishing a new order in the world because as we can all see chaos seems to reign and wouldn't it be great to have order.
What is Jesus' "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth" if not the prediction of a new world order? I guess the issue is this--should we believe that those three words are when used by certain people, really code for an extensive plan spanning centuries and worshipping "Lucifer".
Or is that what some people say to make opposition to the plans that do exist at the heart of the elite families who pretty much DO rule the world (a small number of families usually do wield most of the power in most countries, no problem to believe that goes for the world as well, and yes we do know that Rothschild and Rockefeller and a few others are prime candidates.)
There's a point here that the "NWOheads" are failing to see. First off, global government is not a theory or a plan--it is a reality. No one is by now going to crediblya rgue that we don't neeed international agreements to control genuine threats to the environment, to peace, etc. The question has always been, what kind of global government is best for people? The answer is of course a limited one, a decentralized one, a benign one, etc. This is not what the Rockefellers and Rothschild's necessarily want--what they and other elites want is for the emerging global consciousness not to threaten their current eminence. Tey are AFRAID of world government because of its potential to control world issues like transnational crime and finance (same thing, ne?)
So, how best to promote something in secret? Actually promote its most insane detractors. That way you can lay out many elements and much of the history of your plan in broad daylight. Whoa! Won't your potential enemies now know what you
're up to? Not at all. Your secrets are safely camoflauged behind a whole bunch of nonsense that scares off people who to gain any traction against you need credibility--and once they begin saying stuff that sounds like it came from insane ramblings, they have lost the chance.
Instead of calling it the NWO and emphasizing bizarre rituals, why not just encourage people to talk about the power of elites and moneyed interests over democratic institutions? Most of the quotes you offer can be seen as just that, but you conflate them with all kinds of voodoo that makes it sound crazy. Just like some people do with legitimate issues like international banking. They point out the Rothschild's are Jewish, AND SO international banking is a JEWISH PLOT. Suddenly no one really wants to blame international banking cartels for anything. Pretty effective, eh?
If you can't accept this simple premise--that the first version you hear of the truth is not just not necessarily the correct one bust most likely a bogus one meant to throw you off the scent, then you are helping those who would hide the truth from others.
I don't know exactly what that truth entails. I know some of it, because it's pretty obvious. Much of that obviousness is captured by AJ and the other NWOheads. That's not the hard part. The hard part is making it stick in the real world so that real people, not just internet addicts, will start to take the threat seriously. That's hard when tehre are those who make sure that certain things are always associated in the public consciousness with reptilian shapeshifting or the book of revelations. Or both!
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