Open Thread

It's been a bit since the last open thread, and we have been getting a handful of non-9/11 related blog entries, so here is your chance to post about such things.

Anyone catch The View today? Anything interesting come out of the debates last night?

Have at it!

Show "777" by gerhard

Looks like this one wants to be a winner!

And if you don't, love, the please be CLEAR about your message.

Actually, I'm a "winner", too:

Part of the reason I'm putting this post here is so everyone can see it clearly and consider if they want to pick up the following:

In the past there has been a vicious tendency by debunks to equate 911activists with Nazis. Screw Loose has been a prime enabler of this meme, but , about a month ago, after I hit their comments with reams of info about the current president's family's conncetions to the Third Reich and how they made their fortunes with Nazi contacts, they shut up.

Now that I'm no longer able to post there, someone pointed out that others might want to take up the mantel the next time Screw Loose is inspired to have a 911activists=Nazi fest. The info I used to good effect was found by Googling: Prescott Bush Nazis. This link in particular is very good:

There have already been some minor indications of a new truther harrassment on this subject in the works. One poster in particular HERE popped up after a long silence, and now is silent again.

Some may think it doesn't matter what the debunks say, but when it comes to this particular smear it is long past time that we have a ready and effective way to combat it. Whether or not you decide to engage the Screwy war-zone, at least read up on the history of these REAL Nazi sympathizers, who inexplicably are still with us, over 60 years after Neuremburg.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Prescott Bush Funding the Nazis

See the below scholarly work on how the U.S. ruling elite funded Hitler and the Nazi party's rise to power in Germany, of which financing continued even illegally during war-time:

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (Suffolk, England: Bloomfield Books, 1976)

Below is information specific to the Bushes:

"Thyssen Funds Found in U.S.," International News Service (INS), July 31, 1941

Vesting Order Number 248, Federal Register, November 7, 1942

"Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed," John Buchanan, New Hampshire Gazette, Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003

"'Bush-Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951'--Federal Documents," John Buchanan and Stacey Michael, New Hampshire Gazette, Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

"How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power," Ben Aris and Duncan Campbell, Guardian (U.K.), September 25, 2004,12271,1312540,00.html

"How the Bush family made its fortune from the Nazis," Attorney John Loftus, former U.S. Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor and current President of the Florida Holocaust Museum, September 27, 2000

"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006

they're all kinda..

toughies... i just came across a couple tonight. rather crazy...tough reasoning abilities...kinda fat, too.

no offense yer views..........
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

no offense taken but...

I don't understand why you bring my name into it. Please explain :)

just lending my support

to the posts you've had here recently. why i brought it up out of left field, um, no good reason...

i'm gonna vote myself down for that late night jibberish.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

Rosie's Video Pick today

is the Abu Graib video - I just left a message at Ask Ro and when I was done a box pops up with that video on it.

Ask Rosie to endorse taking action for 9/11 truth on the Eleventh Day of Every Month until 9/11 Justice. If she does it live on her last day on The View, that would be fine with me. A video blog would work too! :)

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

dz on Truth Revolution Radio tonight

Cool! Thanks for heads

Cool! Thanks for heads up.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Rosie's 9-11 first responders segment on the View coming on now

Tune in!

Regarding the debates,

The candidates were asked whether or not they would support Kucinich's impeachment proceeding against Cheney for lying us into Iraq.

Not one candidate raised their hand. NOT ONE.

What a shame!

Yeah, I was taken aback when I saw that. I couldn't believe it!!!! I thought at least Gravel would have considering how bold he was with everything else he said.


I like Kucinich a lot. I was shocked and disappointed, however, at his recent proposal to ban all handguns. I understand he is a man of peace, but this would go against the US Constitution.

In an ideal world, yes, I would certainly agree that all guns are unnecessary. However, considering the tyrannical murderers that run the show, I believe in preserving the 2nd Amendment.

Personally, I don't have a gun nor do I plan on owning a gun in the near future (unless I start getting 'special visits for all the activism I'm involved with).

Kucinich has great courage, however to start these articles of impeachment.

All of those other "Democrats" are cowards. Pure cowards who don't respond to the people who are DEMANDING impeachment of these criminals.

2nd that!

Yeah, the gun thing, i don't agree with him on that either.

Support House Resolution 333 and 9/11 Truth

Dear Congressional Representative,

On behalf of many concerned family members and friends, I am writing to you in order to let you know of our full and ardent support out here for Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s “House Resolution 333.” Arguably, the smallest gentleman in the U.S. Congress, but seemingly the only one in possession of real American courage and an actual set of balls; the only one, aside from Congressman Ron Paul, it seems, who cares to save his country from the endless pit we hurriedly, continually, and blindly descend into. For six years now, without so much as a single peep out of our elected ‘representatives’ in the Senate and the House, the American people and the entire world have watched an illegitimate, coup d’etat U.S. administration commit multiple, seriously impeachable felonies, including such acts of high treason as the patently false-flag terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

As the person with chief responsibility and Presidentially-mandated control (since July 2001) over all U.S. military exercises, numerous questions of a highly serious nature need to be asked (under oath) of Mr. Cheney and several of his colleagues with regards to those 18 to 20 NORAD/USAF military exercises staged simultaneously on the morning of 9/11/01 (several of which unfortunately went “live”). But still, as bad as it may seem, Cheney should feel amazingly lucky that Congressman Kucinich only wants to impeach him for orchestrating the assemblage of the bogus Iraq Intelligence package and the subsequent duplicitous launching of an illegal war and the completely unnecessary slaughter of 3000 + (and counting), consciously lied-to U.S. combat personnel and 700,000 Iraqi civilians. I’m sure that Mr. Cheney and friends are aware that acts of high treason, i.e. attacking your own country in a false-flag terror event and murdering the citizens, police, and fire-fighters you were sworn to protect upon taking office, carry the penalty of, I believe, “public hanging” or “military firing-squad.” If I were Mr. Cheney, I would seriously and sincerely want to be impeached by Dennis Kucinich’s HR333 and walk away in feigned shame to fish another day in the woods of Montana or Argentina.

As a Congressional Representative you should know that the American people are getting very tired of either being attacked or being threatened with ‘terrorist’ attack by the secretive criminal elements of our own government and by 9/11 criminals such as Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, who certainly cleaned up that controlled-demolition crime scene evidence in New York pretty smoothly. We are also tired of being lied to on a daily basis by our media. Contrary to what you may think, we are not a bunch of seven-year-olds. We know we are being jerked. It is almost comical that you still actually think that we don’t get it. You ought to start paying attention more. We know the con. We understand the game now. You must understand that we are tired of sacrificing the lives of our children for the blood-soaked wallets of old, evil, greedy, lying white men, whether they be Americans or right-wing Israelis, and don’t think that multitudes of people don’t know the truly dark truths of what has been going on. We know. People now just laugh at the clumsy lies of the corporate war machine media engine. Wolf Blitzer stands naked, a mere stooge for the Reich. No one with any brains believes a word he says, certainly not after he got completely spanked and publicly exposed in debate with Dr. Norman Finkelstein. You can’t jerk our chains anymore. The War on Terror is now understood to be completely bogus, and it isn’t the long-dead, CIA collaborator Usama bin Laden who is reaping all the obscene profits from war, weapons, chaos and the $2 billion per year Afghani heroin market (cf. CitiGroup and Solomon Brothers, et al.).

No politician will ever again be able to preach to us in their political campaigns about ‘morality’ and ‘family values’, not when they knowingly send our kids into a slaughter consciously engineered by the lies of Richard B. Cheney and his international cartel of oilmen buddies. Imagine the morality and family values of people who gather their family’s wealth by creating or supporting the initial attacks (staged, false-flag terror events) and then launching the senseless, genocidal slaughter that occurs afterwards (Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran, Syria, etc.). The genocide of Arabs is also anti-Semitic. Arabs actually make up the majority of Semitic peoples and Arabic is the most widely spoken and read of Semitic languages. Men and women who profit through the carnage and wars that they themselves engineer and then lie about afterwards shall eventually, with historic certainty, be judged, and judged most severely. You cannot maintain a lie forever, nor can it be defended forever. Hitler never thought that the world would see the inside of his prison camps either. The photos of Abu Ghraib are still burned in vivid detail into the retinas of the entire world. You would be startlingly surprised at the number of people on this planet that have attention spans of more than ten minutes and memories longer than ten days.

It is time to co-sponsor HR333 and stand up with Congressman Kucinich, along with the good people of America, and the good people of the world who have witnessed, in utter horror and shocked disbelief, the crimes of this completely illegitimate administration, all along, accompanied by the fearful and/or complicit silence of the U.S. Congress and Senate. It is now time to take heart and stand up against the Serpent of Treason and say No to World War III and nuclear holocaust in Iran and beyond. You must communicate to your AIPAC Controllers this truth, one which they shall not enjoy hearing: The American people will no longer fight their paranoid, racist wars of conquest, paying with our lives and our economy. Their little cowardly game is over. As Rabbi Yisrael Weiss has clearly pointed out – Zionism is completely antithetical to Judaism, hence right-wing Zionists are only masquerading as people of the Jewish faith. As a political and racial ideology, Zionism is essentially identical to Nazism and Fascism, only the arm-bands change, the genocidal features remain the same.

If there is a splashy, new “shock-and-awe” terror attack, and it is blamed on ‘Iranian terrorists’, chances are we will find Cheney and friends behind the curtain pulling the levers on that terror event as they have on all the others. Tell the White House that the truths about al-CIAda and the false-flag terror gimmick is now widely understood and recognizable. Tell Nancy Pelosi that Impeachment Is Completely And Most Certainly On The Table. We, the American People, are not humbly requesting our elected representatives for impeachment. WE ARE DEMANDING IMPEACHMENT AS AN ACT OF PURE AMERICAN PATRIOTISM! You need to decide whether you are going to be an American hero and use the power that we give to you to help the people of this Republic take back our Constitution and defend our country against this naked criminal tyranny. We fully support HR333 because it is time to tell the psychopathic liars, war profiteers, and mass murderers in the White House (none of whom were legitimately elected) that We Will Not Let Them Destroy Our Country Any Further and We Will Not Let Them Destroy Our Planet, for the good and the truly brave far outnumber the pathetic and cowardly minority of greedy, treasonous little criminals that glide through the dark streets of Washington in their black, bullet-proof limos. The Universe takes full regard of what they do and say.

It is time to end this staged War on Terror by impeaching and jailing the actual terrorist conspirators who gave us the events of 9/11, the anthrax attacks, and the horrific aftermath of unnecessary, endless war. By the way, what ever happened to that $2.3 Trillion of our hard-earned money that went missing from the Pentagon’s coffers? You know, the money that Don Rumsfeld was talking about in his Pentagon press conference the day before the 9/11 ‘attacks’? Did he ever get back to Congresswoman McKinney on that question raised during the Congressional investigative hearing? Please look into all of this. It is time for you to actually stand up for America. Home of the brave, remember?

You say that impeachment for treason is a big distraction from more important things? We say that CNN and FOX etc. are distractions from the hard truths and the varied criminal adventures of the present administration, but the mass media control thing didn’t work out, did it. The American public is a whole lot smarter than you thought we would be under the circumstances. It is time for you to decide who you want to represent and fight for – the American people or “the Murderers.”

Good night and good luck,
Dr. Lazlo Toth

Is this the "Real" Lazlo Toth?

(who wrote the Lazlo letters?)

If so, a big welcome!!!

and if not

a big welcome, too. Good letter!

interns < internets

He's not,

(he wrote back to tell me), but it is a very good letter.

Keep up the good work.

New Support House Resolution 333 and 9/11 Truth

Dr. Lazio Toth

I resepect your comments and hope that may others will comprehend what has occured and continues to occure in our lives today.

Guys, PLEASE wake up...

They're not cowards...

THEY'RE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!!! The few that might me legit are as good as dead like the rest of us. You're smart enough and "awake" enough to figure out that 9/11 was an inside job, so lets apply that intelligence to look at the behavior of Congress over the past few years. THEY'VE DONE NOTHING BUT TORCH THE CONSTITUTION! The Democrats HAVE CONSISTENTLY AGREED WITH THE REPUBLICANS, OR SAID THEY DISAGREED, THEN LAID DOWN LIKE SPINELESS JELLYFISH!! Now this should be GLARINGLY OBVIOUS since they won back the majority. What have they done since November? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Impeachment is "off the table", remember?


This is the reality of the situation. The Democrats are fucking you and laughing about it. The Republicans want to kill you, then fuck your corpse, then laugh about it.

The Lone Ranger Syndrome

We have to realize the power of numbers and the power of truth. The Cheney-Bush-crowd suffer from what has been commonly diagnosed as “Lone Ranger-syndrome.” The Lone Ranger and his ‘Indian’ scout Tonto, while out riding, were once surrounded on all sides by hostile Plains Indians, and the Lone Ranger said to Tonto, “Tonto, it doesn’t look good. We’re surrounded on all sides by hostile Indians!” Tonto replied, “What do you mean ‘we’, whiteman?”


I assume that's apocrychal, though--not from the show--or is it?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

His motives are irrelevant.

As it puts far too much power in the hands of the government. If it went down, it would only take another political strongman down the line to abuse the system further. I think everyone would be safer if they realized that government is supposed to serve people, not the other way around.

I mean there are jackbooted thug cops out there, all the time, like its normal. And then when something horrible actually happens, the response is almost universally botched in beauracracy or worse. I hate guns, but it is hard not to recognize the danger in only the rulers having them.

I am looking forward to seeing Ron Paul win the Republican debate.


My personal opinion, but the candidate that embraces 9/11 truth wins. Full disclosure, full honesty, right up front about it. That would capture the public so fast the slave media would be forced to cover it. There is absolutely no shame in speaking honestly and plainly about the attacks of September the eleventh.

Wayne Madsen on the Debate and Left-Gatekeeping after...

....I didn't see it, but if Gravel is the guy he says he is, why didn't he support Kucinich's AOI? Very disappointing no one did; more reinforcement that we have a one-party system that represents only monied interests...:

April 27-29, 2007 -- WMR endorsed former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel for President last April when he first announced his candidacy. After last night's Democratic presidential debate, the editor is assured that our endorsement was a wise one. Gravel was the only candidate to voice public indignation over the fact that this country has been lied to incessantly and that most of the Democrats on that stage last night have been enablers for the GOP liars. The exceptions are Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich, who is the only sponsor of a bill to impeach Dick Cheney.

The two insidious "Democratic" controlled opposition blogs this editor has time and again pointed to as serving the interests of the neo-cons, as well as the latte overdosing crew at the always un-funny Wonkette, posted some sarcastic comments about Gravel last night and this morning. The moderators of the two blogs, and every WMR reader should know what those blogs are, suggested that Gravel was too old and feeble but their own polls and a vast majority of their posters thought Gravel brought the house down and snatched the anti-war baton from Kucinich.

However, the expected barbs on the two sites were the same kind of sarcastic language used on the right-wing sites. As a result of Gravel breaking loose from the bottom of the eight candidates and pulling ahead of Kucinich, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Bill Richardson and practically tying with Hillary Clinton in on-line polls, the Democratic Leadership Council and elite Democratic circles began pounding on Gravel. The world's oldest yuppie, Bill Press, called Gravel the "clown of the evening" on his morning radio show broadcast from the Center for American Progress, a not-for-profit run by John Podesta, Bill Clinton's White House Chief of Staff. And as far as MS-NBC Keith Olbermann's snotty "joke" last night that Zell Miller was endorsing Mike Gravel. Keith Olbermann should have stuck with sports casting. Olbermann's view of the world is from a neat sanitized TV set in Secaucus, New Jersey. He never responded to this editor's email after he castigated me for my reporting on election fraud in Ohio in the 2004 election. The paper trail and evidence now points to the very well financed fraud to tip Ohio to the Bush column -- exactly what this editor's sources were reporting then and what has been proven since. Olbermann said if any of what I reported was true he would carry me on his back to the Pulitzer award ceremony.

Democratic elite coax their boys in the media to attack Gravel.

This is what Olbermann wrote in his blog on Dec, 6, 2004: "Once again, if any part of Mr. Madsen’s writing on the election is proved and valid, I’ll not only repeat my offer to pay his way for him to pick up his Pulitzer Prize — I’ll physically carry him there myself. There could very well be facts — even important facts — hiding in there somewhere."

Well, now that the facts on the election fraud, which were never in hiding as Olbermann alleged, have been and are being uncovered from Columbus to Cleveland, as well as other points, I have one thing to say to you Keith, "Giddy-up horsy."

I heard it but wasn't surprised...

This charade was just that. How they can stand up there and claim that we were misled and lied into war and then not support any sort of justice to keep the same thing from happening in the future is disgraceful.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I don't remember seeing if...

the video "Guiliani getting caught in lie" was posted on this site. Can someone do that? sorry im still a computer idiot.

late for work, watching the view

where did barbs and blondie go? it's just joy and rosie with a dr. from mt. sinai nyc conducting the interview.
are you taking notes on all the sponsors, michelle malkin?

rosie's closing line (may not be 100% accurate), "i wish there was more i could say and do. next year, that's going to be a focus of mine, doing everything i can to help the 9/11 first responders."
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil 89 (1886).

Check this out, hilarious!

Louis Theroux : The Most Hated Family in America

Louis meets the Westboro Baptist Church.


Sorry DBLS, I think this is garbage and don't understand why it's posted here.

Garbage? So you agree with

Garbage? So you agree with these freaks? What?

Oh and check the "openness" of this "thread’s" title to work out why it’s posted.

Not at all..

Sorry, didn't see the 'non-9/11 posts' bit about this thread.

These people are disgusting and giving them another chance to be heard is disappointing to me.

Those people make me sick.

open thread

"It's been a bit since the last open thread, and we have been getting a handful of non-9/11 related blog entries, so here is your chance to post about such things."

Reading is fun!

Funny guy

What sensitivity around here! I already made an apology and a correction. So, right back atchya, FMS, "reading is fun!"

I know you're sensative.

"Sorry DBLS, I think this is garbage and don't understand why it's posted here."

Oh wait, no you're not.


We're all sensitive around here, myself included.

Well, it's not garbage based

Well, it's not garbage based on your position then if you actually watch it, it's an exposé of these poor individuals.


Yes, these people are garbage. Why give them another outlet to be heard? That's all I'm saying. I couldn't watch the entire thing quite frankly.

When I agree with an assessment made by Hannity, I know something is wrong!!!

That "Thank God for 9/11" sign was extremely disturbing as well.

These people are insane.

Fine I retract! Thanks for the post DBLS!

You don't get it, it's not a

You don't get it, it's not a platform for them and nether is that little clip of Hannity and Colmes an endorsement of those assclowns. It's a very well made documentary showing the world how ridiculous and how much we should pity people who are so brainwashed and blinded by nonsensical irrational dogma.


Yes, I do get it. I understand that it's a 'well made documentary'. I'm not questioning that.

Yes, I agree that we should 'pity' these people, or pray for them for that matter.

I meant that the fact that I actually agreed with Hannity's assessment must mean that these people are truly off their rockers because Hannity is disgusting as well!

I'm with you, not against you.

Show "Shirley and her daughters were charming" by dogster


I meant, "these people are garbage", and I made the correction that I didn't see the 'non-9/11 posts' for this thread.

These people are insane. Can we agree on that?


holy crap. scroll to 19:10 minutes and check out that yellow sign.... i almost had to throw up

WOW, Bob, wow.

...So, what about heterosexual anal between husband and wife? 69ers? Dirty Sanches? What about me tossing my girlfriend's salad, and my friend Raoul watching and jerking off?

HAAAAAAAA!!! This country truly has gone insane. Plan your escape while you still can. Martial law is coming soon. They have guns and bombs and tanks and jets and nukes and viruses and nano-bugs and chemicals and lasers and the ARE GOING TO USE THEM. We have words. Words might win in the end, but thousands and thousands of us are going to die in the process. This is the real thing. Be smart. Stay alive. Live to fight another day. Once martial law is declared, it will be VERY HARD to make arrangements to protect yourself and your loved ones.

absolutely fascinating.

Thanks for posting this, this church despises close scrutiny, it wants you to turn away in anger and disgust to validate itself.

Excellent journalism, regardless.

The View...

Just watched it.

The 9/11 1st Responders had about 10 minutes of airtime in total, compared to 25 mintutes of Alec Baldwin who was on before them.

Rosie brought up Whitman's lies about the air quality and said, "No matter what you think about this government, we need to stand together as a nation and support these people!"

They mentioned that about 25.000 people are sick.

"I already know that I will be dedicating a lot of my time towards helping people like the 9/11 1st Responders next year."

Both of these comments got thunderous applause.

That was it, basically. No 9/11 Truth talk EXCEPT:

Rosie was very crafty and said, "The fireman's boots had melted from all the toxic material that they were walking on and they needed new equipment...." Something like that....Obviously eluding to the THERMAL TEMPERATURES at ground zero....Very crafty I thought!

but they didn't mel forom toxic material... they melted from the

heat from the molten steel buried beneath them!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force



What the hell makes people believe that top Democrats are doing anything other than what they want to do about the war?

What the hell does "cowards" have to do with it?

The Senate, controlled by Democrats, voted to initiate this war by giving Bush a green light on military force in Iraq in October of 2002.

Bill Clinton has murdered more Iraqi civilians, to date, than Bush/Cheney. Clinton also fought a war on behalf of drug running, Al Qaeda connected Islamic militants in the Balkans. Clinton covered up the Oklahoma City bombing and pushed through the precursor to the Patriot Act in 1996. Illegal spying and cooperating with terrorists was US policy under his regime. Carnivore, Echelon.

I don't get blind Democrat supporters. They don't seem to remember history more than 5 minutes back.

They aren't "cowards." They are criminals. War criminals. Fascists. Accomplices. It's good cop/bad cop, and you fall for it.

Pretty much everything Nader has said is true. I wish it would sink in.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at--


I meant cowards for not supporting Kucinich's AOI.

I'm not a 'blind Democrat supporter' either, if that's what you're implying.
I just like the fact that Kucinich has introduced AOI.

Kucinich has a perfect voting record against the war.

Like I said in an earlier post, I like DK minus his recent proposal to ban handguns.

Someone who gets it

"They aren't "cowards." They are criminals. War criminals. Fascists. Accomplices. It's good cop/bad cop, and you fall for it."

yep, couldnt have said it better. I was a life-long democrat until I woke up to the false left-right paradigm. Now I cringe when I see and hear people still frothing over "their party", as if it matters.

One agenda, One party - look at what they are all doing. They take turns helping destroy this republic. The only person I will support in government is a republican, but he is a grass-roots constitutionalist cut from the cloth of the founding fathers, Ron Paul. Everyone else is a new world order globalist shill, including Kucinich.

Wake up people, 9/11 is a tiny spec in the bigger picture, but we can use it to bring the whole house of lies crashing down.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

you tube has removed the vid of the OKC bombing

news reports talking about the bombs found inside the Murrah building. And some 9/11 ones too...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


I really hope

that YouTube and Google video are not the only places that have all these videos. Hallifaxion's videos need to be seen. Hasn't another video site been started?

I know!

What does it take to start up a YouTube clone? I guess a big server...

Go on e-mule or bittorrent and download all the 9/11 material you can for archiving and re-distribution.

No worries, RT.

check out Israeli anarchists against the wall

they have great DVDs as I recall...

I saved a few myself and now have to go through my site replacing the you tube links with links to my local files. I'm fine on bandwidth so it shouldn't be a drag though...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


First Responders On The View Today

I blogged it...but until that pops it is

Thanks man!

Thanks man!

Nice intro...

I wish the ABC affiliate in Chicago had an intro like that! Instead, ABC Chicago said how they were going to talk about and discuss Alec Baldwin's appearance on the View.


Jimmy Walter is an American venture capitalist, political activist an activist for the 9/11 Truth Movement. He is best known for sponsoring advertisements suggesting that the September 11, 2001 attacks were an inside job organised by the United States government. Director of Confronting the evidence &

He talk about :
- 9/11
- Iran & Irak
- Bush & neo-cons & democrats
- ...


Note : is a different website of , is the main french speaking website about 9/11 Truth.
- Jimmy Walter created in 2004 (?)
- Atmoh (interviewer) created last year.

Sylvio, Jimmy Walter has

Sylvio, Jimmy Walter has disappointed a lot of people by supporting wild theories like "no planes hit the Towers" etc. I didn’t vote down your post but people might do so because of Jimmy's hopefully just naive and stupid promotion of disinformation.

On his website he doesn't

On his website he doesn't write there are no plane but write some videos of plane crash was faked.

Maybe it is an error to say that but he did a lot of things for 9/11 Truth :
- he is director of "Confronting the evidence" which not report things like "no plane" or "video faked"...
- he send thousands of these DVD to the press
- he make
- etc.

are you not a little too hard with him ?

I know what you mean, I have

I know what you mean, I have a lot of respect for what he's done to a certain extent but he has been being pretty foolish and counterproductive with some of the things he's supported.

Seeking Westchester County NY Truthers to get organized

I am looking for fellow 9/11 Truthers in Westchester County NY who are interested in organizing a local chapter.

Thomas Paine, author of Common Sense lived in Westchester County, NY.  Common Sense challenged the authority of the British government and the royal monarchy and was the first work to openly ask for independence from Great Britain.  Let's honor Thom Paine by holding a peaceful 9/11 demonstration at the foot of his bust on Paine Avenue in New Rochelle, NY.  I believe he would have approved.

I need a greater voice than the Internet alone permits me.  I can no longer stay silent.  The anxiety and anger of knowing that the real perpetrators of the 9/11 crimes are still dancing for the fascist media's cameras tears at my very being.

It tears at me that the media are controlled and yet most of the citizens of our country don't yet know or worse, they don't care.  It's not just Fox news, it's ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN, too.  I'm sick of knowing the name Sanjaya without ever having watched American Idol. 

I'm sick over this entire mess. Why does Alec Baldwin deserve more time on "The View" for his apology than the 9/11 responders illnesses?  Shameful.

How can Keith Olbermann, Jack Cafferty and the rest of the so-called liberal media still refer to Osama Bin Laden as the boogie man of 9/11?  I'm guessing it is beyond ego, beyond greed, beyond ignorance, beyond naivety, and beyond stupidity.  I can't help wonder if they fear for their lives.

And why do we keep referring to the Iraq invasion as a war?

And didn’t Giuliani look really uncomfortable discussing the demolition of the three WTC towers?

I need more of a voice but I cannot do it alone.  If there is anyone interested in getting organized in Westchester County, NY, please contact me at


"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.... The people cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe." Thomas Jefferson

i think you speak for a lot of truthers

Hope you find fellow truthers in your area. The big frustration is you know you are on the good side, you feel you want to do more, but the only place people understand you is in the internet.

I tried to inform a political party in my country (in south east asia) about the 9-11 conspiracy. The party official was very receptive but is unfortunately quite busy with an ongoing campaign. I hope that party comes out with the facts in the future. Americans can't keep on denying that 9-11 was an inside job if all their friends from abroad tell them the truth.

About Kucinich and the Debates...


I caught the last 30-40 mins. and did not hear him mention 9/11 or a new investigation one time. I did hear him mention the war on terror, iraq war, terrorism, al quieada etc. etc. etc.

No 9/11 Truth :(

I can't say i'm not surprised.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

he only mentions it

when asked at by student scholars for 911 truth.
what a pathetic, gun-grabbin' globalist worm.

I can't wait to see Ron Paul pwn all these douchebags from both parties.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

When does Ron Paul mention 9/11?

and not in any they exploited it LIHOP stuff. I mean like controlled demolition. Can you link? thanks!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Kucinich 9/11

1. Kucinich wouldn't talk about 9/11 when he ran for president last time. I was there at a press conference where he sidestepped.

2. He made no appearance at Cynthia McKinney's hearings about the fraudulent 9/11 Commission.

3. He's done nothing at all legislatively on this issue.

4. His impeachment articles look like they were set up to fail. He uses Cheney's statements on Iran, "all options on the table" repeatedly in the articles. These are the exact statements that Clinton, Obama and other top Democrats have used, sometimes the same words. This effectively kills the legislation. They will not back it. It contains poison-pill wording.

5. Kucinich got up at the Dem convention in 2004 and shilled for Kerry, even though Kerry was campaigning on expanding the war, supposedly the opposite of what Kucinich's platform was.

6. Kuciinich took the anti war segment of the country and put them under the Dem banner. Then shit on them. This undermined the Greens, who were growing and gaining momentum in 2000. Third parties have been squashed ever since. He is part of the "Progressive Democrats of America", a long term version of squashing third party challengers by stealing their base and putting them under the Dem banner.

That's my take on it.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at--

9/11 related questions.

Two questions caught me by surprise at the MSNBC Debate last night. One the dude asked what people would do if two U.S. cities were bombed? Eerie to be predicting this stuff. Second he asked if they believed there was a Global WAr on Terror. I thought it was great to question such universally accepted frauds.

I also saw Jack Cafferty on CNN the other day read a statement about how fewer Americans believe in the "official" story of 9/11.

I think our efforts are paying off and I hope we see our media leaders asking more of these types of questions.

Otherwise the rest of the Media sucks and I hate the apathy of everything else. Peace :)

Very Important, please respond

The last week I've been experiencing severe problems with accessing 9/11 Blogger when I'm logged in.

If I don't log in the site loads fine. No problems or delays.

When I log in it becomes a MAJOR problem. Clicking on any link or any form submit button will then lead to waiting waiting takes no less then 2 to 3 minutes to load any page.

It's severely affecting my ability to participate at 9/11 Blogger.

Anyone else experiencing this problem? I'm on a fiber connection with 15mb download speed so it's nothing to do with my connection, plus non-logged in loads perfectly.

Please help.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I had similar problems...

If you go to "my account" and then "edit" and then go down to "theme configuration".

Then keep toggleing the options until you find one that doesn't cause problems for you.

thanks man for your help but

why did you get a negative vote for providing help?

don't you just love the 'voting' system?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever


It seems that if someone doesn't like one of your posts, they'll vote all of your posts down without necessarily reading them.

this is funny...

I'm not trying to be confrontational here, this is just funny, the whole not reading thing.


What else do you want? I made a mistake and I admitted it. I didn't vote that earlier post down because of not reading the title of this thread, it was because I thought those people represented in that documentary were disgusting and just didn't like seeing them here. That's all. Let's be allies!

im positive that some people

im positive that some people vote me down based on past statements or simply who i am and not always because of what i said at that time. it happens.

did that work?

jpass, you and I aren't really welcome here. I'm going to try real hard to stop worrying about the voting.

yes please do.

yes please do.

-1 or +1 means that perhaps just 1 person decided to vote you up or down - on a site that gets 10,000+ users a day that really is nothing.. in fact, you'll probably get voted down more for complaining about it than anything else.. also, for everyone who votes -1 unnecessarily there is usually someone who will give the post a +1 to counteract it..

please don't get caught up in a few negative points - its when your getting -10 and -16 that you really know you have gone out of line.

best wishes.

I will just say this:

I wish people here wouldn't vote posts down that they simply disagree with. I think that's unhealthy for debate.


Flip, I'm sure many, if not everyone here, have voted down posts that they don't agree with.

I'm sure people vote up posts that they do agree with..

Why else would you vote a post up or down?

Isn't debate about a discussion about opposing viewpoints?

I hope this doesn't seem futile (but maybe it is! and if so, I take responsibility for it!)

Why else would you vote a post up or down?

To control trolls, chum--at least as far as down votes are concerned.

For up votes, just to support a civil, healthy debate--there are people--and whole conversations-- I vote up just because I want to indirectly thank them for disagreeing like human beings.

So there are many reasons to vote a post up or down--broadly speaking I think most of us vote down obvious disinfo or trolls/ debunks, and vote up people we not only agree with, but really say something notable or in a notable way.

Believe it or not, I rarely vote someone down JUST for disagreeing with me. I may not vote them up, but they have to get personal or pissy before I hit that down arrow.

That's me.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


Chum. (I'll assume that's a term of endearment...!)

Yeah...on the platonic side;-)

It's a bit dated, but basically means "mate".

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


You're a

You're a weirdo...;-P

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

isn't chum

chopped up fish that big game fisherman throw into the water to lure their victims in?

I suppose conspirators like making chum out of a particular breed of vermillion hued herring...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Yes, "chum" refers to buckets o' fish parts

often used as shark bait, and I *was* going to put a picture of that kind of chum here, but found this lovely photo of chum salmon (a variety of salmon) instead. Chum salmon has a little marketing problem...

2 definitions

It means both: 1. a close or intimate companion 2. fish refuse or scraps.

Good work, RWF2!

You have accurately identified the source of the (intended) humor in this string of posts! "Chum" has several distinct meanings -- which are related homophonously in the case of the two meanings you cite, and polysemously in the case of the two I mention! Well done!

(I'm just tweakin' ya.)

Thanks but no

It did not work. It actually got worse. I was sitting here for ever waiting and waiting for any page to load. As long as I am logged in as Jpass there is now a 3-5 minute delay for any page to load.

I registered a new name and viola! It is fine!.

9/11 Blogger needs to check this because it's not me, my computer, or my connection as I've logged into Jpass account on multiple machines, multiple connections, and computers.

If it's happening to others you are losing valuable user participation.

Does anyone here watch Jericho?

I've wanted to write a whole blog here telling people here to watch it, because it relates to 9/11 truth in a dozen different ways.

Anyone else watching this?

If you go to, you can watch every single episode. I highly highly highly reccomend it!

Funny I asked my co-workers if they ever watched this show

just last monday.

I've actually never saw it but I've seen the previews a bunch of times and thought it looked interesting but overly religious for my taste.

Is it about the 'end times' 'revelations' sort of stuff?


Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

It's not religious at all.

Don't let the name Jericho fool you.

There's no religious aspect to it.

What are some examples

of how this Jericho relates to 9/11 truth?

just curious
Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I really don't want to say...

I reeeeaaalllyyy want you guys to watch it, and I don't want to ruin anything. So I'll give you the general jist of it:

20 minutes into the first episode, a nuke goes off in Denver, visible from small town Jericho in Kansas.

You quickly find out that tons of major US cities were simultaneously nuked, and that the federal government has fallen apart. They have no power or phone lines or radio communications. They are on their own, kinda in the middle of nowhere.

that scares me

that sounds like NWO propaganda, My gut says stay away from that show.


......Looks like those who can edit Rosie also have
the power to intimidate as well.
There was a good article on Alex Jones web page prison planet.
Here i thought the truth was kicking in the turbos with a woman with the biggest set of balls i've ever seen. I admired her,and was amazed at her patriotism.
I am still more amazed at how stupid most Americans are.They don't know shit about what's going on,but they know every detail of american idol.
I am almost to the point of saying if were that stupid we deserve our fate.
The only hope we have left is for Loose Change Final Cut to hit the theaters will full force.I truely belive this is the truths last chance..........I HOPE I AM WRONG.

B Moyers, J Lynch, Pat Tillman, G Tenet

A continual barrage of lies being exposed and the recent heap all at once is good for 9/11 Truth. As the unsuspecting realize they have been told nothing but lies, they can then take the next step.

The Pat Tillman story especially: We killed him, then covered it up while blaming the enemy. All for "political" reasons. SOUND FAMILIAR?

Bill Moyers Journal BUYING THE WAR watch online

Bill Moyers Journal

Watch online:

9/11 is in there all over the place.


A very great looking, brief video about the PNAC

You're abolutely correct...

It is very infuriating and unconscionable that these so called "leaders of the people" can simply admit that the Bush administration lied the American people into an illegal and immoral war costing thousands upon thousands of lives and act as if "Ho hum, we made a mistake. We'll try to do better next time. My bad!"

They are totally controlled 'puppets' to the military industrial complex.

Kucinich is the only one who shows any real courage yet he too is contained by his own party. We need a New American Revolution! Alter or abolish it!

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

pffft Kucinch

go look up the only candidate whos not an owned globalist scumbag

Ron Paul
here's a good clue as to who's supporting what agenda... Ask any of the candidates if they support and will abolish the Federal Reserve and IRS. Guess who is the only one that makes that promise. It isnt DK. Don't let his fair-weather 9/11 bs fool you. He's a globalist gun-grabbing shill for the new world order, like all the rest of them.

google Ron Paul

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

and by the way

I am a life long dem, but I am supporting a repuke-lican, that should be telling you something. Its telling you my eyes have been opened and the entire left-right paradigm is false. Its free americans vs. tyranny, end of story.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I second that

that is exactly my own position. It seems to me Ron Paul is the only decent candidate on offer. His voting record speaks for itself. The Left-Right paradigm is an illusion, people need to wake up from that delusion.


"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein

He's not contained by

He's not contained by anyone. If he wanted to do something he could do it. Instead he chooses to keep silent about 9/11 unless prompted by people in guerilla interviews. When he's prompted he gives typical double speak answers such as, " committee will focus on a few specific issues.." while never citing the issues. It makes it sound like he's doing something but the only thing he's doing is Globalists work. Hence the recent announcement of a bill to ban all handguns. Please go read the 2nd Amendment and then think again about Kucinich. The globalists are not stupid and Kucinich is just another chess gamepiece for them. He just doesn't look like "bush" or "clinton" or "pelosi". Think of chess and the various game pieces. I would say Kucinich is most like a knight, he appears to be chivalrous but in reality he attacks from obscure directions. Unlike pawns such as Bill O'Rielly and Glenn Beck.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

I like the chess analogy

but i'd say dk looks more like the worm, oh wait, thats not a chess piece. Oh well.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

yea i agree...he's a dud.

Kucinich had an audience of MILLIONS during the Democrat debate and said nothing about 9/11 Truth.

So, anyone still want to spend time seducing Dennis Kucinich?

no way, especially when he

no way, especially when he doesnt even have the guts to tell us what "limited aspects" of the attacks hes looking into. i think i heard something about September being when we will know more. im not optimistic.

Unity 08

Help me out, is this a good thing?

Will this be the new way to elect the next president????

We should check it out.


Maybe everyone already knows this, but Jim fetzer is MOST DEFINITELY A DISINFO AGENT. Watch this video:

This also calls Webster Tarpley's credibility into question in my mind. Tarpley has been giving many interviews to this Paula Gloria person, and he is very vocal in his opinion that both global warming and peak-oil are hoaxes. Now, I'm not claiming that these issues are real OR hoaxes. I just don't see how they help us expose 9/11 either way. Why is Tarpley trying to attach these issues to 9/11 Truth? I think he is trying to get Truthers to go around spewing out unrelated, TRULY outrageous claims, thereby discrediting the movement. Now add this Paula Gloria association to the picture. I think Fetzer's last few YouTube appearances can leave little doubt about his motives. If Tarpley is associated with the same circle as Fetzer, and he is making bold, unrelated claims... I question his credibility too.

Fezter an agent? NO! ;-P

Okay I was holding out for "clueless and naive"...

What's also disturbing about making a point to insist peak oil and global warming are myths is that it unneccessaruly divides us.

It's known people feel very strongly abput these issues. What's not as well known is that the solutions for both of them, as we understand them, are entirely harmonious with 911activism: 911 oil wars=BAD, reduce forgiegn oil consumption, energy efficency, blah, blah, blah.


Does make one wonder why anyone would try to divide the movement with this drama--though I don't think neccessarily Tarpley is doing this. But others are.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

I think you don't get

I think you don't get DBLS's british humour. He isn't glorifying the family, simply Louis Theroux's subtle pisstake of them and their beliefs. He was in no way promoting them. This is also an open thread and a bit of humour never hurt anyone

David Halberstam probably faked his death

Look up his books, including 9/11 related one called Firehouse. Master narrator of public myths dies mysteriously, minutes after finishing his latest book. This one has legs, even though the site admin here censored my recent blog post about it.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Please give more info on this

Say more on this RT. It seems you are serious about it. And given your clearly intelligent and constructive track record I don't see any reason you should be censored. But give us more to work with on this. Thanks!

sorry, not on this site, or through this site.

but believe me, I'm not going to stop doing my digging and reporting the findings over time. especially with vids being pulled from YouTube, what better opportunity to rework my website to incorporate recent insights, revelations, developments.

The truth movement is going to start maturing soon, and the wheat and the chaff will part ways once again.

stay tuned!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


I'm very familiar with Ron Paul

(This post was meant to be a reply to CatlleRustler)

Of the Dems running my favorite is Kucinich. Of the Repubs my favorite and ONLY consideration is Ron Paul. I completely agree with re: Kucinich's 'gun control grab'. He's definitely wrong on that.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

As you all know is one of the most well established "debunking" sites.

Does anyone know of a good comprehensive debunking of that site (

Because frankly I am sick of that site and sick of the people that keep telling me to refer to it in a debate and brush me off.

Help me on 9/11 debates on:

You must be a 911 truth neophyte.

You'll soon realize two things.

1. The evidence for 911 being a false flag is so abundant if one denies this then they're either a complete imbecile (Usually an authoritarian personality.) or a compensated Shill. There's a third type also, those that just can't bear the thought. Like finding out you're husband or wife has been molesting your child, or your son / brother is a mass murderer. They usually just change the subject.

2. Anyone who's not a complete imbecile or a paid Shill doesn't take much convincing.

Since I've haven't been to '911myths' for more than a quick glance. How are they reconciling the free-fall 'collapses', the pulverized concrete & the molten steel?

I actually

Managed to refute a number of points they make on my own. But its too large for a person like me to do that. Why I ask for a refutation, is to also add some hand waving to them just like they do to me:

"911 was debunked at 911 myths" and I want to reply "911 myths was debunked at -insert refutation-" If you know what I mean.

P.S. They explain collapses with paper from Dr Frank Greening. And they "attempt" to explain molten metal, but fail miserably by deliberately ignoring the Ariel IR images taken on 16/9/2001.

Help me on 9/11 debates on


PNAC 4/14/07 - Lecture by Steven Jones (full)


I managed to get this from guy who put up videos listed in this post, so here it is in full lenght and for direct download:

Steven Jones presenting new evidence - results of energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy of WTC dust, which perfectly match with thermite residues, thus providing irrefutable scientific evidence for use of thermite in WTC (from min 40:00).

Watch on GoogleVideo
Direct download here


I've got some people trying to convince me about CNN tv fakery and the like.

I'm sure this has already been discussed at length, but I was hoping to get some constructive feedback about this stuff.

I'm having a hard time taking it seriously as I've looked at some of these video clips. It doesn't seem too solid to me.

These all come from, all posted by bsregistration.

I'm not advocating this, I just want some other feedback because this doesn't seem very solid to me whatsoever.


very quick with why video fakery is a red herring

Those who promote all those theories are intellectually dishonest. They posted videos that they claim showed a spire turning into dust, but it's very lo-resolution. If you look at the hi-res version of same video you can see it's just a smoking collapsing spire.

Their other claim about planes not actually being able to penetrate the towerrs (and so vids must be faked) is just pseudo scientific babbling. Again, lo res vids are used to show things like a "plane nose" protruding from the building. This is a still shot which if you see in original vid is clearly smoke/dust/debris/fire/whatever starting to be expelled from the building as the plane explodes inside.

Even if not for these clear examples of dishonesty the idea that the planes could not penetrate the towers is wrong. Force equals mass times accelration--the mass of the planes times multiplied by their speed is what makes them even though made of hollowish aluminum able to penetrate the "steel screen netting" of the towers exterior.

They're disinfo, as are many of the people who pretend it's not so blatantly obvious that they must constantly argue against them and waste time and bandwidth arguing against such BS.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


White Smoke
(poor quality - couldn't find this vid by itself any clearer)

I've watched this clip a hundred times and always focus on the obvious squib, but NEVER noticed the cloud of white smoke at the base of the tower as the camera swings away from the firemen and right before the debris hits the ground.

Anyone with a clear vid ot this?

(by the way, I've seen the EYEWITNESS vid with the sounds of explosions and white smoke seen from across the river) I just never noticed it in this particular shot.

hi-res of this

Can be downloaded here.

9/11 wiki

No 9/11 Wiki ?????

If it's generally agreed this is a classic problem for 9/11 Truth in that you have to search for hours sometimes to find the facts you need why not begin a 9/11 Truth Wiki ?

Everyone can contribute both for and against - posted facts can be challenged by debunkers if they feel the need.

It would surely help move the entire movement forward and get unprecedented exposure.

Thoughts please - would this be a waste of time setting it up or do you think it will work as intended ?