The Face of Evil

"The only good thiing that happened to America on 11 September was that the building fell on (John O'Neill), sir."
-- Former CIA agent Michael "Crazy Eyes" Scheuer, testifying before the House Hearing on Transatlantic Relations, on C-Span (4/17/07):
(right-click "Click to start RealPlayer" to open in a new window and go to 3:29:55 to see that clip)

For those of you who don't know, John O' Neill was an FBI Agent in who was much admired and much despised within the Bureau, because he had integrity and charm. He was forced into an early retirement and given a chief security position at the World Trade Center a week before 9/11. That would make him look like a suspected insider, considering all the suspicious activity that was occuring in the buildings at that time, but for the fact that he was killed when the South Tower collapsed - an apparent indirect assasination.

"Secrets of the CIA":

This a great, short documentary that portrays and is narrated by former agents that were seduced by the intrigue of a career in the Agency and were recruited from college. They look back at their decision decades later with shame and regret, realizing they could have been productive American citizens, insteading of dedicating their lives to the destruction of other nations and their peoples (i.e., pouring cement powder into a milk-truck destined for a Cuban elementary school, to "incite counter-revolution"; Crazy Eyes is not one of these people, by the way, he has no shame). It is a very sad, but extremely enlightning history of the dark side of our government, and us, in the post-war era.

And us?

I've never been a member of the CIA, please don't include me in your broad spectrum of guilty parties. That's lumping the American people in with the American government, which is stupid. The government does what it does in private, which means we dont' get to have a say.
We're dealing with Freddy Krueger here, not reason.

Random quick question. How

Random quick question. How do we know John O'Neill died in those buildings? Saying that he worked there and that he went to work isn't as solid as saying that he was on a phone or something being used within one of the buildings when they came down. Maybe it's a stupid question but I'm just curious.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Not a stupid question

Any number of the people who supposedly died on 9/11, on the ground or "in the air" could still be alive somewhere, ostensibly as undercover agents, or something like that. (I doubt of they are sunning themselves on a beach somewhere, although I suppose a few of them could be, but one would think that they would be using them as agents, or something like that if they were going to pretend that they are dead — maybe someone can come up with another thing they might do under these circumstances)

If John O'Neill had something to do with 9/11, he could be sunning himself on some beach somewhere as "payment for services rendered". (unless "they" killed him anyway so there wouldn't be any loose ends)

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who found John ONeill's body?

they call him confirmed dead, and define confirmed dead as:

Inclusion Criteria:

CONFIRMED DEAD. Includes those who have been confirmed dead by a coroner's office or the Defense Department. It also includes those for whom death certificates have been issued, even if no body has been recovered.

REPORTED DEAD. Includes those whose deaths have been reported by family, employers, mortuaries, places of worship or by the airlines that listed them as aboard one of the four flights. Includes people for whom memorial services have been held, even if their bodies have not been recovered or positively identified. (Those identified by federal authorities as the hijackers are not included in the database.)

REPORTED MISSING. People identified by family, official agencies or employers as missing.

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several firemen

Page 382 of "The Man who warned America"

He was actually one of the few intact bodies found, most of the bodies as we all know were BLOWN TO TINY FRAGMENTS from the explosions.

It seems highly questionable

It seems highly questionable that his body happened to be one of the few that could be ID'd. His story almost sounds like the myth built up around Pat TIllman and Jessica Lynch.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

I am curious about the

I am curious about the bodies that were found. Were there actually any full intact bodies found? If so what percent were found of the total number of people who died in the buildings. Additionally, of those bodies found in tact what percent were from people who jumped and were already outside of the buildings before demolition? There's a video of a firefighters stating that they didn't find any furniture from the building. The biggest thing he found was part of a phone keypad. I would almost assume that the vast majority of humans were vaporized/ blown to smithereens with the demolition. We hear of body parts still being found but not whole bodies. The whole claim of finding and Id'ing John Oneill's body seems pretty damn unrealistic given what we know about the pulverization of the building. Making the claim that he had been id'd physically would let him off the hook if he had anything to do with 9/11. Even before I thought 9/11 was an inside job I had heard about him and thought it far fetched to be able to ID a body, any body for that matter.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Good find on the Scheuer quote.

Tarpley on Scheuer;

".. in the CIA, there’s a remarkable phenomenon, there’s a Bin Laden fan club, and I have a couple of documents on this, one is a guy called Michael Scheuer, who wrote a book called ‘Imperial Hubris’ which came out during 2004. And the interesting thing is when he wrote this book; he was a serving CIA official, the person who had run at a previous time the Bin Laden station. And what’s his thesis about Bin Laden?

He says that Bin Laden is the greatest political genius of the 21st century he actually compares him to Abraham Lincoln. He defends him against criticism, because I think the obvious thing is Bin Laden is a bungler, a dreamer, an ideologue, he’s probably somebody who couldn’t find his way around without a CIA covert operation to help him. The person who actually makes the decisions looks like Zawahiri, who was part of the Sadat assassination, who then lived in England for a long time, even though the Egyptians had arrest warrants out for him killing a head of state, Zawahiri looks like an agent of MI5 or MI6, the British intelligence agencies.

Most impartial observers would say that Zawahiri runs the show and that Bin Laden is simply somebody that they bring out to babble at certain times, if he exists at all. But what you can see is what the CIA wants to do is build up Bin Laden. Why would the CIA want to build up Bin Laden?

They want Bin Laden to be the political leader of the Arab world. Because if Bin Laden is the political leader of the Arab world, the Arab world is doomed. Bin Laden’s line is, if you’re a real believer, and you meet a non-believer, you have to kill the infidel. Think what that means, if you’re an Arab country, in today’s world you need to find some kind of an ally against the British and the US, you need to find Russia, or China, or Pakistan, or South Africa, or Japan or somebody and all of them, or most of them are likely to be non-Muslim. So if you cut yourself out of those types of alliances, you’re guaranteed to be absolutely isolated, and very, very easy prey for the British and the US.

So this guy Scheuer, who came out of the closet in the last couple of months, after writing the book and getting the book published while he was still in the CIA, a remarkable situation, comes on as somebody who wants to defend Bin Laden. We also have the case of ‘Buzzy’ Krongard, another top CIA official. He just retired as the executive director of the CIA. Buzzy Krongard’s name also comes up in regard to the stock trading on the eve of 9/11, he was part of the investment bank that carried out some of these ‘put’ options on the eve of 9/11 in regards to United Airlines, AmericanAirlines and some others.

Buzzy Krongard after leaving the CIA, comes out and says I hope Bin Laden is never captured… Well, why do you? Well, he says, because then we might have to face more radical figures, if he weren’t there. So it’s just so evident that the CIA loves Bin Laden and would like nothing better to have all opposition forces in the Arab and Islamic world gathered under the banner of Bin Laden because if they do that, they’re sure to be defeated.

The only way these countries could ever get anywhere is by making deals say with Europe or with some of these other countries I’ve mentioned. If they follow Bin Laden, they never will."

John O,neills body was found

John O,neills body was found intact and was positively identified not by any family members but by Jerry Hauer.Now how much sense does this make because i always believed only a relative could formally identify a body.So who is Hauer,well for a start he advised thev White House to take Cipro{an antidote for Anthrax} a full week before the first Anthrax letter.The Anthrax of the Ames strain{American Anthrax}from Fort Detrick.He was also managing director of Kroll Associates who are a security firm.In fact they were in charge of security for the whole Trade Center complex.It gets better because on 9/11 Jerome Hauer was interviewed by Dan Rather immediately after the first collapse and said "No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.
Quite a remarkable chain of events which end with Hauer giving a word perfect account of what would become the official reason given for collapse.No steel framed building had ever collapsed due to fire before yet Jerry knew.He is not an engineer and had only a laymans idea but he knew the same as he knew about Anthrax.Why would anybody on 9/11 even consider Anthrax.Now the Coup de gras ,when asked by Rather who he thought was responsible he said this," Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden. So he predicted Anthrax might be used to attack White House officials,he predicted exactly what the official reason behind the towers collapsing and now he predicts it was Bin Laden behind 9/11 even before anybody knew it was supposedly islamic terrorists.He takes it upon himself to formally identify O,neills fully intact body as well.O,neill was murdered and the finger points directly at Hauer who was also involved in 9/11.Nobody could have known the things Hauer knew not even clairvoyants.