Bush Told Of First Attack On 9/11 Before He Left Florida Hotel
Bush Told Of First Attack On 9/11 Before He Left Florida Hotel
Prison Planet
Friday, May 4, 2007
More archive video footage has been unearthed that re-emphasizes the fact that President Bush lied about how he first came to know about the events of September 11, 2001.
ABC News reporter John Cochran told ABC's Peter Jennings, "He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff Andy Card whisper into his ear, then reporters said to the President 'do you know what's going on in New York'? - he said he did and would have something to say about it later."
This contradicts Bush's statement that he made on two separate occasions, that he first learned of what was going on in New York from watching a television outside of the classroom as he prepared to talk about education with a group of Florida schoolchildren.
President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting
[CNN, Aired December 4, 2001]
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)
Thank you, Jordan (ph).
Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
Obviously, Bush could not have seen the first plane hit the tower because there was no TV footage broadcast of it until the next day.
Occasion 2:
President Holds Town Hall Forum on Economy in California
[whitehouse.gov, January 5, 2002]
"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on..."
As has been well publicized, even after being told of the second plane hitting the south tower and that America was under attack, Bush sat reading a story about a pet goat for well over 5 minutes.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/040507bushtold.htm
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I CANNOT...
Wait to get home to see this.
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Thanks again!!
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It's obviously scaring the shite out of some people over there. My original digg link to it had over 100 diggs in less than an hour
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It never made popular status, and then was quickly buried.
The current digg link at the top of this blog has also been buried.
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ABC Reported Bush Knew Of Attack Before Leaving Hotel On September 11, 2001
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Rated, Commented, and Dugg
As the article below this one I wrote suggests. Now if you guys can do the same for my article too.
Thanks,
LUCUS
The official account...
Has Condi telling him about the first plane after his arrival at the school at 8:55.
That's all we need to know.
And his accounts above.
ANOTHER confirmed lie.
Good work Stallion.
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Thanks, Jon!
If anyone wants to learn more about this story, see justanidea's blog and the comments posted on it:
Kia Baskerville (CBS) learns of both plane crashes in New York before President Bush?
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8278
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Someone get this ABC report up on youtube please!!
The PrisonPlanet article only has poor quality youtube archive footage, not the specific clip of John Cochran's report.
911Blogger member arie has made the high quality video available. From arie:
"Here's the XviD (deinterlaced 640x480)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=28KDSX22
Here's the cut from the original MPEG2 (not reencoded 480x480 interlaced)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=02PZT9VT "
THANK YOU ARIE!!
The clip we need on youtube is John Cochran's report that aried at 9:17AM EDT.
In cue: JENNINGS: ...Want to check in very quickly with the president of the United States. John Cochran with the president in Florida. John:
Out cue: JENNINGS: Thanks, John. John Cochran with the president...
Whoever uploads this please include the complete transcript of Cochran's report
'ABC News' Special Report:
Tuesday 11 September 2001
[SNIP]
JENNINGS: ...Want to check in very quickly with the president of the United States. John Cochran with the president in Florida. John:
JOHN COCHRAN reporting:
Peter, as you know, the president's down in Florida talking about education. He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later. His first event is about half an hour at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida.
JENNINGS: Thanks, John. John Cochran with the president...
[SNIP]
ABC Transcript:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/abcnews091101.html
Please post the link on this thread when it gets uploaded to youtube. Thanks in advance to whoever can get this done!
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Here it is on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4rkfgHTK-M
Please watch my movie: WTC7 The Smoking Gun of 9/11
That was FAST! Looks great. Thanks, arie!
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Steady on
I looked into this report myself a while back, as the transcript has been on the Net for a long time. What I actually think John Cochran was referring to was events that occurred when the president was in the Booker Elementary School classroom. In the report he said, "reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his [Bush's] ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later." This sounds like precisely what we know did occur in the Booker classroom between about 9:05 and 9:15. See for example the following report:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/12/wcalm12.xml
(There are plenty of other reports describing the same incidents.)
Cochran's statement is very confusing because he began his sentence talking about Bush leaving his hotel. But I think that in the rush of the moment he just jumped forward to describing something that happened 30 minutes later (Card whispering into the president's ear) and then forward another ten minutes to when Bush told reporters he'd talk about it later.
Furthermore, Bush left his hotel and his motorcade set off toward the Booker school at around 8:35 a.m. that morning. So if we take John Cochran's account literally, it would mean that a reporter had asked the president "'Do you know what's going on in New York?" about 11 minutes before the first WTC tower was hit. This just could not have been the case.
So I really wouldn't read to much into this account. If you listen to it again, you'll see that what Cochran says in fact appears to be a perfect description of events that we know occurred in the Booker school classroom.
Sorry but I believe you're wrong Shoestring
There are several conflicting reports about what time Bush actually left the hotel. The 9:35 you posted is just one of the times given.
The first plane is reported to have hit between 9:40AM-9:46AM
I've documented this extensively and it was very possible for Bush's motorcade to arrive at the Booker school when reported between 8:55AM-9AM.
Here's Bill Sammon's description of Bush's motorcade leaving from the hotel to Booker..
"The police shut down traffic in both directions, leaving roads utterly deserted for Bush's long motorcade, which barreled along at 40 mph, running red lights with impunity." [Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, pp. 37-38]
It was a 9 mile drive from the hotel to the school. Running red lights at speeds of 40mph would take approx 10 minutes.
You can view some of my research on the Jack Blood forum where I blogged about these events nearly 2 years ago.
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22262#22262
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Shouldn't that be 8:46am ???
or have these weird timezones re-appeared ???
I thought Florida, Washington and New York are all eastern Time....
Best wishes
HAHA yes my bad 8:40AM-8:46AM the first plane hit :-)
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Do we know what hotel?
I grew up in Sarasota, and as a matter of fact I'm visiting there right now. I could verify this drive time if I knew the hotel.
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Yes...
We do...
Colony Resort on Longboat Key. The problem is, you're going to be restricted by lights, traffic, etc... Also, we don't know the exact route he took.
Do we?
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Longboat...
Only one way on and off Longboat going into Sarasota. The other way goes into neighboring Bradenton, and that would be WAY out of the way on a trip to Emma E. Booker. Anyway, I thought I could clock the drive a few times in traffic, then average to get an idea of how long it takes. This could give a better idea of how long without traffic. Probably a waste of time and gas though. 10 minutes sounds about right for that trip with no traffic or lights.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
I've seen it before but not sure where
Maybe on Paul Thompson's site?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti...
EDIT
Yes here it is:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a846motorcadetold#a8...
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Is mapquest...
The same?
Edit: HA! it is!
Edit: Wait... no it isn't. Bush hooked around the coastline.
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The roads between the hotel and the school were closed
for the President's motorcade.
According to the owner of the Colony Hotel, the President left at exactly 8:30 AM.
For some reason it took him almost a half hour to drive about 10 miles on cleared roads, which should have only taken about 10 minutes.
The big question is what the hell was Bush doing in his hi-tech limo for the half hour?
"According to the owner of the Colony Hotel"
Where's your source for that?
EDIT
OK now I think I understand. Bush may have walked out of the actual hotel building as early as 8:30AM, but I've seen reports that his limo didn't drive away until much later than that.
And I find it hard to believe that anyone was timing Bush's movements on the morning of 9/11 at the hotel before the first plane had even hit. Why would anyone be looking at their watch or a clock at the exact moment Bush left for the school? Besides, watches and clocks have been known to be off by five or more minutes. IMO I don't think someone's statement about what time Bush's limo drove away can be trusted as fact.
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This was based on a detailed report of Bush's activities
that was published in Sarasota Magazine shortly after 9/11.
Katie Klauber Moulton is the manager of the hotel.
The decision to have President Bush spend the night of Sept. 10 at the Colony can be traced back to a locally famous incident during the hotly contested presidential election of 2000. This is where Al Gore stayed�in a cottage with the unhappily prophetic name of Castaways�while he rehearsed for the memorable second debate, during which he told the story about the girl at Sarasota High School who didn�t have a desk. Now, when last-minute logistics made a one-day trip to Jacksonville and Sarasota impossible, the Secret Service knew just the place to camp for the night. The Colony is low-key, discreet and, most of all, easy to secure.
The President�s motorcade arrived at 6 p.m., and he was met by Katie Klauber Moulton, manager of the Colony.
The President was up at six and gave in to the Secret Service when they requested that he not jog on the beach, for security reasons. He was driven to Harbourside Gulf Course in the neighboring Longboat Key Club.
After a four-and-a-half mile run, the President returned to the Colony and showered. He left promptly at 8:35 but not before thanking the Klaubers and the Colony staff, each member personally when possible.
The motorcade set out and soon disappeared southward on Gulf of Mexico Drive. The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street, heading toward Booker Elementary when, on the phone that Katie Moulton had been admiring just hours before, he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011204000548/http://sarasotamagazine.com/Pa...
(The Colony is owned by the Klauber family)
Ok there you go. You just made my point for me
"He left promptly at 8:35"
This could easily have meant that he walked out the exit doors of the hotel at "8:35AM". And that's based on what? Whose watch or clock? Was the time of the watch or clock accurate? Please post your source that the clock or watch was accurate and that they weren't talking about 8:35AM being the time he walked out the exit doors of the hotel.
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Either way
This certainly places him in the limo when the first plane hit at 8:46 AM and the article clearly states that he received the news while he was in the limo on the way to Booker.
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
No it does not
Like I said. Post your source for who was looking at their watch at the exact moment the limo pulled away from the hotel. Post your source that their watch or clock was accurate.
Cochran said a reporter asked the question before the limo left the hotel. Bush could have been in the limo at the time with the window down talking to reporters standing outside of it. Or maybe he hadn't gotten in the limo when the reporter asked the question. The call to the reporter could have came as early as 8:46AM via a cell phone informing him/her about the first plane hitting the WTC - and they asked Bush immediately following the call if he knew what was going on in New York. Bush's limo still had enough time to get to the school when it was reported to have arrived there - sometime between 8:55 and 9AM.
Prove that this could not have happened exactly how I've just described.
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Read the entire article
It is a detailed, blow by blow account of Bush's activities in FL on 9/10 and on 9/11.
This is not the only reference in the story about where Bush was when he was first asked about the attack.
Every report is clear that Bush was not even asked about the attack in NY until after the first plane hit. Even if he found out at 8:47 AM, it would still place him in the limo on the way to Booker.
Sorry, if it doesn't collaborate the latest video find. Why is someone on ABC who probably misspoke, more credible then a local reporter who was actually with the President?
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
Wow, now you are really acting suspicious
I asked you to back up your claim, but you cannot.
Instead you posted your lame unsourced article on 2 pages of this thread and run around to other websites posting the same unsourced/unproven article trying to discredit John Cochran's report.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8681
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum...
Prove that your article wasn't talking about Bush walking out the exit doors of the hotel building.
Post your source for who was looking at their watch or clock the moment Bush's limo drove away.
Post your source proving that their watch or clock was accurate.
Still waiting...
By the way, John Cochran WAS WITH THE PRESIDENT:
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The article clearly states Bush was in his limo on Hwy 301
in the next paragraph:
He left promptly at 8:35 but not before thanking the Klaubers and the Colony staff, each member personally when possible.
The motorcade set out and soon disappeared southward on Gulf of Mexico Drive. The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street, heading toward Booker Elementary when, on the phone that Katie Moulton had been admiring just hours before, he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011204000548/http://sarasotamagazine.com/Pa...
If this call in the limo happened...
it's still possible that an earlier call was placed to the reporter at the hotel informing them of the first plane hitting the WTC - who then asked Bush if he knew what was going on in New York as his limo was getting ready to leave for the school. The calls would have only been a few minutes apart. So maybe Bush got a call in the limo too. It still doesn't disprove John Cochran's report.
You should try getting a statement from him and post it here when you do. Ask him who the reporter was that asked Bush the question about what was going on in New York at the hotel.
I posted his contact info on page 3 of this thread.
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Hey, I grew up there too!
Hey, I grew up there too! Small world, ain't it?
Sarasota high '98
You?
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
HAHAHAH....
Sorry dear. Something tells me you go a little further back then that.
:)
Edit: That was mean. Sorry.
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I'll take that as a compliment... I think?
I'm 27. Are you saying that my cyber-persona belies my sprightly youthfulness? Ha ha! People have always told me I was mature for my age. (Except for my mother...)
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Heh...
I was talking to LEH... She graduated a little before your time. As did I for that matter. I just laughed cause there was no chance the two of you graduated together. Don't mind me.
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oh.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
Eh? What's that you say,
Eh? What's that you say, sonny? Where's my ear trumpet?
RHS, date unmentionable. (But unlike Jon, I do not own any t-shirts older than you.) I grew up on Siesta Key, and usually stay there when I visit, but I was just at the Colony a couple of years ago.
Your drive time sounds about right, given a motorcade and street clearing. Maybe a couple minutes longer.
:D
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the reporter cant be
referring to when andy card whispered in bush's ear at the school, because he says the presidents says that "he knew and will have more on it later", this cant be referring to the school ear whisper, as some have suggested
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I don't think so...
"He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave..."
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According to...
Mapquest, the distance between the resort Bush was staying at, and the school is 9.04 miles. The first tower was hit between 8:40 and 8:46. If you guestimate, Bush could have left the hotel between 8:40 and 8:46, and arrived at the school sometime around 8:55 (when Condi allegedly told him about the first plane hitting). Aren't most roads cleared for the Prez? Wouldn't that have made his trip even faster?
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EXACTLY JON!
"The police shut down traffic in both directions, leaving roads utterly deserted for Bush's long motorcade, which barreled along at 40 mph, running red lights with impunity." [Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, pp. 37-38]
It was a 9 mile drive from the hotel to the school. Running red lights at speeds of 40mph would take approx 10 minutes.
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Thanks...
Stallion. I did a little "write-up" of my own combining what we did in justanidea's thread, and what you wrote up top. Hope you don't mind. :D
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Nice job! You might also
Nice job! You might also mention that according to the several official stories (the 8:55 Rice statement and Bush's 2 town hall statements) we are expected to believe that reporters in the motorcade would have learned of the attacks before the POTUS. (!!!)
Not at all, man. And thanks for the cred, but not necessary.
I'm just happy to be a part of it. Let's hope this is the push we need in getting answers to what really happened.
Excellent write-up by the way!
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I always...
Give credit when credit is due. EXCELLENT find.
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Thanks jon. Too bad others in this movement aren't as generous
"This is another video I found on the archive's that has ABC reporting that Bush was told of the first plane crash before he left his hotel."
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8681
^ROFLMAO
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Exactly!
"Was about to leave"
Not to mention that the Secret Service already knew about a potential "hijacking" per the video posted in the previous thread.
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/secretservice911.swf
http://911blogger.com/node/8278
Great work everyone!
I disagree
Just look at what Cochran said. It was an exact description of what happened in the classroom. I'm sure this is what he was referring to. Seriously, with the time it would have taken for Bush and his entourage to travel from the hotel to the school, they would have already been in transit by the time the first tower was hit and reporters had been informed of this fact.
I already explained there are conflicting reports...
of when he left his hotel. I've seen as late as 8:50AM. I've seen as early as 8:30AM.
I've read reports that the first plane hit as early as 9:35AM and as late as 9:50AM.
Why are you trying to speak for ABC and John Cochran's report?
Cochran's report is clear - he was asked about what was "going on in New York" before he left the hotel.
He was probably asked this question as he was getting into his limo to leave for the school by a reporter who had been informed by someone calling him/her on their cell that a plane had just hit the WTC.
Shoestring, why are you defending the official story?
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C'mon folks
The best estimates of when Bush left his hotel (and when the plane struck - 8:46:40, according to the 911 Omission Report) are at Paul Thompson's timeline at http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=bush It looks like Bush left the hotel way too early for a reporter to have asked him about the events in NY, so I tend to agree with Shoestring's take on this one.
Stop making exuses for ABC's report that Bush knew at the hotel
There are several conflicting reports when he left as I've already stated. Reports of when the first plane hit vary from 8:35-8:50AM
Reports when Bush left his hotel also vary - from 8:30 to 8:50AM
It's entirely possible Bush's motorcade drove away from the hotel AFTER the first plane hit.
Cochran was with Bush at the hotel. Why would he make it up if it didn't happen?
The ABC report has not been debunked so please stop acting like it has.
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According to this report Bush left the Colony at exactly 8:35 AM
according to Robert Plunket, a local reporter who was with the President's entourage.
THE PRESIDENT IN SARASOTA
The President went up to bed at 10 but some of the others lingered in the Monkey Bar. Katie chatted with some of the Secret Service agents and soon found herself touring the Presidential limousine. She remembers marveling at all the phones and electronic equipment.
The President was up at six and gave in to the Secret Service when they requested that he not jog on the beach, for security reasons. He was driven to Harbourside Gulf Course in the neighboring Longboat Key Club.
After a four-and-a-half mile run, the President returned to the Colony and showered. He left promptly at 8:35 but not before thanking the Klaubers and the Colony staff, each member personally when possible.
The motorcade set out and soon disappeared southward on Gulf of Mexico Drive. The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street, heading toward Booker Elementary when, on the phone that Katie Moulton had been admiring just hours before, he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011204000548/http://sarasotamagazine.com/Pa...
Hey I blew away your argument on page 1
Why did you repost it here on page 2?
So I'll repost my respose to you again from page 1...
You wrote: "He left promptly at 8:35"
This could easily have meant that he walked out the exit doors of the hotel at "8:35AM". And that's based on what? Whose watch or clock? Was the time of the watch or clock accurate? Please post your source that the clock or watch was accurate and that they weren't talking about 8:35AM being the time he walked out the exit doors of the hotel.
And...
Like I said. Post your source for who was looking at their watch at the exact moment the limo pulled away from the hotel. Post your source that their watch or clock was accurate.
Cochran said a reporter asked the question before the limo left the hotel. Bush could have been in the limo at the time with the window down talking to reporters standing outside of it. Or maybe he hadn't gotten in the limo when the reporter asked the question. The call to the reporter could have came as early as 8:46AM via a cell phone informing him/her about the first plane hitting the WTC - and they asked Bush immediately following the call if he knew what was going on in New York. Bush's limo still had enough time to get to the school when it was reported to have arrived there - sometime between 8:55 and 9AM.
Prove that this could not have happened exactly how I've just described.
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And why are you going around to other websites trying to discredit John Cochran's report based on an article that doesn't have any sourcing to back it up?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8681
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum...
Your article doesn't specify when Bush's limo left the hotel. It could be talking about the time he physically walked out the exit doors. And there's nothing based in fact that the times reported in it are accurate.
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Because I posted this response first
I then responded to the post you made at 7:32am, after I posted this one here.
Try again.
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
Edited for clarity
My apologies then
The website was acting up this morning and was taking forever to load so I wasn't able to edit my post for clarity :)
But I'm still puzzled why you seem so positive that Bush's limo left before the first plane hit. Your basing your conclusions on a handful of sources and articles that were written after 9/11. I admit that the "official" times of the event would make it impossible for Bush to have been asked the question at the hotel. But we need to figure out what those "official" times are based on and how accurate they are.
But overall I think John Cochran's report has helped us learn more about what Bush knew and when he knew. I think it's safe to say that Bush knew about the first plane hitting sometime between leaving his hotel and arriving at the school. Which proves that he was 100% lying when he publicly stated (at least twice) that he learned what was going on in New York when he saw it on a television just outside of Sandra Daniels' classroom as he was about to enter it.
So instead of us arguing with each other any further about this, I suggest we wait to see what ABC has to say about it. Contact them about this. I'd love to see a statement from them trying to explain what John Cochran was really reporting on. If they try saying it was a "cock up" like BBC did with the WTC-7 story, fine. But the story will still open up discussion about what Bush knew and when he knew it. And we have already proven him to be a liar concerning his official account about when he learned the first plane hit the WTC.
But until then I'm willing to accept John Cochran's report just as he reported it on the morning of 9/11. As far as I'm concerned it still hasn't been debunked.
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No sweat
I agree, that Bush knew about the first plane hitting sometime between leaving his hotel and arriving at the school. I think there is enough in the public record that establishes the fact, that by the time he got out of the limo at Booker, he already knew about the attack in NYC and that he lied, on more then one occasion, to try to make it seem like he didn't know anything until he saw the attack on TV outside of Daniels' classroom.
I do think that Cochran's report was more of a quick Cliff Notes version of what had just happened. That he was stating the highlights and that he was combining a sequence of events into one sentence, so that it ended up sounding like it was all happened at the same time.
The one odd thing about many of these reports about Bush, Rummie, Cheney and the rest and their activites that morning is that they all leave out significant blocks of time in order to make it sound like the time from the attack on WTC 1, until the attack on the Pentagon, took place within a few minutes of each other rather then over the space of an hour. All of them went AWOL while the attack was in progress and they all want to brush over this fact as much as possible.
Sorry, our posts got a little heated. I was having a hard time to getting in and out of this site too yesterday, which makes it a little more difficult to hash things out, when you can get even get back on to respond. Hopefully, the new server will resolve some of these issues.
In the meantime, I think we are both after the same thing and that is finding out the truth about 9-11.
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
Thanks for understanding
And I agree, I think we are both after the same thing and that is finding out the truth about 9-11 as well.
Here's ABC's main phone number to ask them about Cochran's 9/11 report: 212-456-2700
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Are we suppose to allow bad information
to go around, so that the OCTers can tear it apart instead?
BTW: Read the article, there's a lot of very interesting details in there.
It's probably a better find, then this video that really doesn't prove anything except that there was a lot of confusion in those first on air reports.
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
You still have not proven that Cochran's report is inaccurate
All I've seen you post is an article that says Bush left the hotel at 8:35 (well first you tried to embellish it and said 8:30 - but I digress).
You have not proven that the time wasn't based on Bush walking out of the exit doors at the reported 8:35AM
You have not proven whether or not your source had accurate time on his watch or clock.
You have not posted any sources (that I've seen) saying what time Bush's "limo" left the hotel. If you did or can, post the source that proves their watch or clock had the right time.
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Please site the links
for these conflicting reports?
All the first hand accounts that I recall, have the Presdent leaving the Colony at 8:35 AM and arriving at Booker right before 9:00 AM, when he was asked by reporters for the first time if he had heard about the WTC.
http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&foru...
Here's a couple
This one has him leaving at 8:39AM
"So after posing for pictures with resort maintenance man Kenneth Kufahl and local VIPs, he climbed into a Cadillac limousine and set out at 8:39 a.m. on the nine-mile trip to Emma E. Booker Elementary in Sarasota.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021007213015/http://www.washtimes.com/natio...
This one has him leaving at 8:30AM
"Bush's motorcade left for the school at 8:30 a.m. As it was arriving, pagers and cell phones alerted White House aides that a plane had hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42754-2002Jan26
I've seen one report somewhere of one of the protesters outside the hotel saying the motorcade left around 8:50AM
And then there's your report of 8:35AM
All of these times can't be right. I'm looking at my cellphone right now and it's 2 minutes faster than my computer's clock. And my Microwave clock is 6 minutes faster than my cellphone.
Still waiting for you to prove that John Cochran's report is false about a reporter asking Bush at the hotel if he knew what was going on in New York as he was getting into his limo to leave for the school...
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OFFTOPIC: LOAD BEARING CAPACITY OF WTC 1/2
Does any one have any links to engineering articles or quotes that clearly state that the WTC or any Steel skyscraper is built to bear its own weight many times over?
I need it for a current debate with an ass of a bedunker that is not willing to accept the 50% cut first story columns and the 2000% increase in live loads on the perimeter.
I could use the help
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/65710/Gasoline_Fire_on_Freeway_Causes_...
I have been argueing with him for almost 2 days trying to convince him that the WTC could carry its own weight many times over.
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Whatever it was
it was not able to overcome the downward thrust of what can only be described as the Foot of God himself, absent the use of high powered demolition explosives.
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come on man, we all know
come on man, we all know that it was the mysterious red arrow that brought down the towers. i know somebody here knows what im talking about.
Red Arrow?
You mean all those nifty red arrows that also appeared in the NIST report on Building 7? ROFL!
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exactly! goddamn freedom
exactly! goddamn freedom hatin red arrow.....
I agree
Ya I understand that it should have shown much more resistance
Thus a quote that would show that buildings like the WTC can carry their own Weight many times over would certainly help that argument. From an independent source.
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Just found this posted on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlvlNiTuqAI
Excellent!
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Did he see the first strike?
I've always thought that he may have watched it in his limo on the way to the school, a first strike video that none of us have ever seen. It's speculation on my part, but it would explain why Bush states on numerous occasions that he witnessed the first plane hit on a TV prior to entering the classroom.
And the fact that he was not immediately whisked away from that location when Card whispered in his ear is PROOF that the Secret Service had inside information that the school was not a target.
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Wow
Not the only revelation. If you listen to the news man, you will hear that "Washington and the Pentagon" are on to the thing... and I presume this was *before* the Pentagon was struck...
Are we to believe - therefore - that on a day like this, with the Pentagon aware of what was going on, another hijacked plane is just going to come walzing into its secure airspace, circle the building, and crash into it without being shot down?
The only thing you have to wonder now is whether there be an independent judiciary in the US. I should have thought that by now a new criminal inquiry would have almost launched itself, regardless of what the executive branch of government did... are there not seperation of the powers in the US?
The short answer is NO,
there are not separation of the powers in the US.
This is one of the major aspects of our constitutional republic that we are trying to restore.
It became clear to me when the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 and installed Bush as president that our federal government had been completely compromised.
Boggles the mind, eh?
I hope that you and yours are well.
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I noticed that too
According to Peter Jennings the Pentagon was responding to the attack soon after the 2nd plane hit. Too bad, Rummies idea of responding to the attack was to hang around his office and to pretend there was nothing he could do about it, so he continued with his meeting.
Peter Jennings had a LONG
Peter Jennings had a LONG history of covering for powerful interests. see his work on JFK. its deplorable and fits right in with his whitewash of 9/11.
What did Bush know...
And when did he know it?
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Thanks, Jon
I've been trying (ever since this topic has resurfaced.) to remember where I'd seen it all put into context. Can't believe I forgot about 'The Great Conspiracy'.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623&q=the+great...
Ok, now I'm really confused.
I'd always understood that the first plane crash in New York occured as his motorcade was driving to the school. If so, how could Bush have been told about the crash before even getting in the motorcade?
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The "official" time and the actual time Bush left are debatable
It's possible his motorcade drove away from the hotel between 8:45 and 8:50AM. There were road blocks set up along his route to the school allowing his limo to run red lights, stop signs, etc...
"The police shut down traffic in both directions, leaving roads utterly deserted for Bush's long motorcade, which barreled along at 40 mph, running red lights with impunity." [Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism - From Inside the Bush White House, by Bill Sammon, 10/02, pp. 37-38]
It was a 9 mile drive to the school. It's fairly well documented that the motorcade arrived at the school between 8:55 and 9AM. He entered the classroom sometime between then and 9:05AM.
SO I believe it's possible that a reporter back at the hotel learned about the first plane via cellphone just before Bush's motorcade drove away and was able to put the question to Bush.
Perhaps Bush was already in the limo with the window down, waving goodbye as the reporter asked him if he knew what was "going on in New York" while the limo was pulling away - and Bush said he'd "have something about it later" because the limo was in the process of driving away.
But honestly, I think it's up to ABC and John Cochran to explain this report, not us.
Flood ABC with this story and try to get a statement from them:
Bush Told Of First Attack On 9/11 Before He Left Florida Hotel - According to John Cochran's 9/11/01 ABC News Report
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8345
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
john.cochran@abc.com
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This...
Information technically "debunks" this video. It makes me wonder things like:
(Between 8:46-8:55 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Bush’s Motorcade Quickly Hears of Flight 11 Crash, but Bush Reportedly Still Unaware
When Flight 11 hits the WTC at 8:46 a.m., President Bush’s motorcade is crossing the John Ringling Causeway on the way to Booker Elementary from the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key. [Washington Times, 10/8/2002] Sarasota Magazine claims that Bush is on Highway 301, just north of Main Street when he is told that a plane has crashed in New York City. [Sarasota Magazine, 9/19/2001] Around the same time, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who riding in another car in the motorcade, is talking on his cell phone, when he blurts out: “Oh, my God, I don’t believe it. A plane just hit the World Trade Center.” (The person with whom Fleischer is speaking remains unknown.) Fleischer is told he will be needed on arrival to discuss reports of the crash. [Christian Science Monitor, 9/17/2001; Albuquerque Tribune, 9/10/2002] This call takes place “just minutes” after the first news reports. [MSNBC, 10/29/2002] Congressman Dan Miller also says he is told about the crash just before meeting Bush at Booker elementary school at 8:55 a.m. [Sarasota Magazine, 9/19/2001] Some reporters waiting for him to arrive also learn of the crash just minutes after it happens. [CBS News, 9/11/2002] It would make sense that Bush is told about the crash immediately, at the same time that others hear about it. Yet the official story remains that Bush is not told about the crash until he arrives at the school. Author James Bamford comments, “Despite having a secure STU-III phone next to [Bush] in the presidential limousine and an entire national security staff at the White House, it appears that the president of the United States knew less than tens of millions of other people in every part of the country who were watching the attack as it unfolded.” [Bamford, 2004, pp. 17]
(8:46-8:50 a.m.) September 11, 2001: New York and Boston Flight Control Conclude Flight 11 Has Hit WTC
Rick Tepper, a flight controller at the Newark, New Jersey, tower, looks across the Hudson River at New York City in time to see the explosion caused by Flight 11. Another flight controller there tries to find out what caused it. He recalls that in the next few minutes, “We contacted La Guardia, Kennedy Tower, and Teterboro Tower to find out if they lost an airplane. And they all said they didn’t know what it was. I got on the phone to the en route air traffic control’s facility out in New York on Long Island, and I asked them if they’d lost any airplanes, and they said, ‘No, but Boston [flight control] lost an airplane. They lost an American 767.’” New Jersey flight controller Bob Varcadapane says to the Long Island flight controller, “I have a burning building and you have a missing airplane. This is very coincidental.” The assumption is quickly made at New York and Boston flight control centers that Flight 11 has hit the WTC. NBC later reports, “Word of the fate of Flight 11 quickly travels throughout the air traffic control world.” [MSNBC, 9/11/2002] However, the Indianapolis flight control center that handles Flight 77 reportedly does not learn of Flight 11’s crash until around 9:20 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004]
Sorry to complicate matters Stallion, but it's important to see all of the information.
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The more...
I think about it, the more I think those news accounts of his location at the time of the first impact are wrong. It is technically possible for him to have been at the hotel at the time of the first impact, and make it to the school by 8:55.
Either that, or Cochran was on hallucinogenic drugs that morning.
I think it's very possible that whomever reported those two conflicting stories of Bush's motorcade location may have been basing their stories on other people's accounts within the motorcade. And the reporters of those stories assumed the President would have learned at that time as well, and reported it as such.
According to the 9/11 Commission...
"When American 11 struck the World Trade Center at 8:46, no one in the White House or traveling with the President knew that it had been hijacked."
Hijacked or crashed?
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According to
The St. Petersburg Times, there was an "official schedule" that had Bush leaving his hotel at 8:30am.
According to the Washington Post...
"Bush's motorcade left for the school at 8:30 a.m. As it was arriving, pagers and cell phones alerted White House aides that a plane had hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Bush remembers senior adviser Karl Rove bringing him the news, saying it appeared to be an accident involving a small, twin-engine plane."
According to the BBC, they are also going with 8:30.
"08:30:00
Sarasota, Florida
The Presidential motorcade heads for a local school. The morning intelligence briefing over, the threat level considered low. Before the day ends George W. Bush will have embarked on a remarkable odyssey - unlike any previous President."
According to the Washington Times, their account of him leaving is at 8:39...
"So after posing for pictures with resort maintenance man Kenneth Kufahl and local VIPs, he climbed into a Cadillac limousine and set out at 8:39 a.m. on the nine-mile trip to Emma E. Booker Elementary in Sarasota."
Who's willing to bet that the Post, and the BBC were going by the "official schedule", and Bill Sammon of the Washington Times, was told 8:39 from "extensive interviews [...] in the Oval Office and aboard Air Force One" but he really left at 8:46?
Someone needs to get a statement from Cochran about what the hell he was talking about that day, and someone needs to contact Bill Sammon to ask him where or who he learned of 8:39 from.
Bill Sammon currently works for the Washington Examiner according to Wiki.
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John Cochran...
"Cochran has received three Emmy awards for his reporting -- the first in 1981 for his coverage of the threat to Communism from the Solidarity labor movement in Poland, the second for his anchoring of reports during the overthrow of the Communist regime in Romania in 1989, and the third for his part in ABC's coverage of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. He also received the Peabody and Alfred I. duPont awards for his role in ABC's coverage of the attacks."
I can't find John Cochran's email address...
And we NEED a GOD DAMNED NEW INVESTIGATION so I, and we don't have to spend our time doing stuff like this on such a BEAUTIFUL day.
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So true
I'd rather be at the beach myself. And perhaps I will end up there today if I can get off this damn computer.
This is the only email addy I can find for Cochran: john.cochran@abc.com
Here's the contact info for ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Reference/story?id=54216
Seems like there would have been video of Bush's motorcade leaving the hotel in Florida. If there is I've never seen it. Oh well.
Off to the beach..
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Sent...
Dear Mr. Cochran,
It has recently been confirmed through an obtained video that on 9/11, you told Peter Jennings, "He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff Andy Card whisper into his ear, then reporters said to the President 'do you know what's going on in New York'? - he said he did and would have something to say about it later."
Here is that video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4rkfgHTK-M&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911bl...
Please sir, can you elaborate on what you were talking about? President Bush was allegedly told about the first plane hitting the tower upon arrival at Booker Elementary.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Jon Gold
Edit: That email got bounced back, but I did send one to ABCNews.
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John Cochran still works for ABC
212-456-2700
Call and ask :)
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The only way we'll ever know exactly where Bush was
is to get the Secret Service logs (and even those might have been messed with). And the only way to get the logs is to get real investigations.
But YOU know that, Mr. Gold, and this is why I love how relentlessly you work for the truth.
When you think about it the best cover story is for Bush to have learned about the first plane hit just as he was going into the classroom. If he learned while traveling to the school what possible explanation could there be for not going directly to Air Force One and getting out of there ASAP?
IMO, it is entirely possible that he learned at his hotel (watched it on closed circuit even) then made his common unscripted verbal gaff by answering the question on his way to the limo, they then had the 10 minute ride to the school to come up with the cover story which replaced the truth and was repeated endlessly in the msm.
These particular details are not that critical, however, as any version of the story still has him sitting in a school room doing nothing well after he knows the country he has sworn an oath to protect is being attacked. This alone should've resulted in an immediate investigation and impeachment hearing. As with VP Cheney's actions or non-actions in the PEOC that same morning, any reasonable reading clearly shows dereliction of duty and grounds for impeachment.
That the msm has not picked up these two stark examples of gross negligence or malfeasance if not a pre-planned conspiracy to commit murder and destruction of property.
(Sometimes I wish I had gone to law school)
I hope that you and yours are well.
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Can't forget about this one
September 7, 2001: State Department Issues Overseas Warning
The State Department issues a little noticed warning, alerting against an attack by al-Qaeda. However, the warning focuses on a threat to American citizens overseas, and particularly focuses on threats to US military personnel in Asia. [US Department of State, 9/7/2001] In the one-page alert, the State Department says it received information in May 2001 “that American citizens may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda organization. Such individuals have not distinguished between official and civilian targets.… As always, we take this information seriously. US Government facilities worldwide remain on heightened alert.” Such warnings are issued periodically and usually are so vague that few pay them serious attention. In any event, most airlines and officials will claim that they did not see this warning until after 9/11. [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/14/2001].
The State Department knew the targets within the U.S. from the Presidential Daily Briefing Rice gave Bush on August 6, 2001; Titled "Bin Laden threatens to strike targets within the U.S. using hijacked planes", and the many warnings from all around the world from different countries and foreign intelligence agencies of this same info.
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