Virgin Atlantic Caves In To Neo-con Pressure

This is exactly what we can expect to see when the time for the theater release comes around. Where are all of the so-called "freedom of speech conservatives" who defended Don Imus to the grave? Where were they for Rosie? Where were they for Loose Change? Freedom of speech isn't just about protecting that which you agree with. It's especially about defending that which you don't agree with. That is the whole point. Conservatives only want that freedom for themselves and no one else. Bill O'reilly recently said that we're living in a dangerous climate where everything you say can and will be used against you. He said this in reference to Imus while while spending a ridiculous amount of time attacking Rosie in exactly that manner. Even the vile mouthed Ann Coulter and Dennis Miller got tired of it. Guys like O’reilly will claim that movies like Loose Change hurt the victims families (even though most agree with us) and yet he continues to promote and support Ann Coulter who has made many disparaging remarks about the Jersey girls calling them "bimbos".

Fox News is nothing more than a Operation Mockingbird, CIA front, propaganda machine that caters to the dregs of society. Think about the credibility of their guests? Oliver North, Gordon Liddy, Robert Novak, toe-sucker Dick Morris, Ann Coulter, the Popular Mechanics goons etc. The pre-requisite for a Fox regular is either being a traitor, a liar, a government shill or a criminal it seems? It's time to organize and wage a war against Fox which is this generation's 'Tokyo Rose', the 'Pravda' of the US. They put party and politics before the people. Another favorite Fox target is the wealthy foreigner George Soros who they say is using his money to meddle with our elections. How is that any different from what the Australian Rupert Murdoch is doing with Fox?

These kinds of Gestapo tactics will not stop! All that we can do is counter them.

This is Nick Rizzuto the Producer of Andrew Wilkow’s show. I’ve spoken to Virgin Atlantic’s Press folks, a gentleman named Paul Charles. After a heated 20 minute conversation where I threatened to spread this information throughout the conservative media and promised them a media firestorm and PR poison, they have decided not to show the film.

Statement from Virgin Atlantic–

We will not be showing Loose Change 2 on our aircraft. We don’t show movies or documentaries that cause mass offence and there is a danger with this movie that viewers, although they have the choice over what to watch and when on our flights, may be offended. Virgin Atlantic is known for showing the latest movies and media trends on its multi award-winning inflight entertainment system and we believe travellers have the right to choose from as wide a choice as possible.

"Keep Stephanie Miller on MSNBC"

As a side note, please take the time to support Stephanie Miller as replacement for Don Imus. When I used to listen to her show regularly on the radio she would occasionally have on a segment called 'conspiracy corner' (not sure if she still does or not?) where they delved in to various theories like 9/11 and others. While Miller says that she’s agnostic (yet growing more suspicious everyday) on 9/11, one of her co-hosts strongly believes that it was an inside job while the other disagrees. At least they’re willing to have an open dialogue about it. If we can get her on as a regular on MSNC we can call in to the show and stir up some 9/11 truth.They don’t screen the calls.

For those who haven't yet guessed...

We are in a form of civil war. And it is clear that there will be no quarter given. I cannot see that those who support the mass murder, lies, deceptions, totalitarianism and hate will ever change. I say this because I strongly doubt that they -can- change.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)


You are absolutely right. The U.S., Canada, and I guess Mexico are ALL in fact engaged in a civil "cold" war right now. Let's call it what it is. We have experienced a coup. Now, if we don't want this to become a HOT civil war, I strongly suggest we step up our game about 10 notches. We need to be thinking way more creatively, way more strategically, and be WAY MORE VOCAL, ACTIVE, AND AGGRESSIVE. (Aggressive in spreading information, not in any threatening way.)

Don't fool yourselves, our enemies are prepared to intimidate us, threaten us, send us to Guantanamo, torture us, and murder us. We have seen it throughout history, and we are seeing it now. We have a very clear choice to make. Stop this thing by "waking up" the public, or wait too long and be left with no choice but a civil war, or accept totalitarian "Big Brother" on steroids fascist dictatorship. They might back off for a while in order to let globalism gain an even greater foot-hold, but if we become complacent again... I have absolutely no faith that we will be able to do anything about it if we wait any longer. We must not stop. Power must be given back to the people, or we could loose it forever. Modern technology "ups the ante" so much. This really could be the final battle between freedom and oppression (or extermination...)
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

You scared me!

I know what you say is TRUE.
Crap - its true and that's what scares me.

I have a 2 year old son ... Will get live "in chains" in the future? Will he be "sacrificed" by these monsters?

We all, right now, live in fear. We type in fear, we talk in fear ... we know the cross-hairs are on us. And IT SUX BIG!

And I REALLY fear a well planned "V-for-Vendatta" thing - which is blatantly a COMMIE take-over using a dis-gruntled public for the means of destruction of the constitution and installment of a new Socialist American Union empire - eek gads!

I don't know whether to vote your comment up or down ;-/

So I'm abstaining.

Both your comment and the one above has many points I agree with. I differ a bit in while my short term tack is the best defense is a good offense("Do not even THINK about trying a Gitmo/Abu graib on me or mine unless you're prepared to give and RECIEVE lethal force"), my long term tack is to un-plug and work on creating separate infrustructure/economies. We have the means to be rid of these parasites with relatively little fuss IF it is planned correctly--in a way they won't know what they were hit with. All that is lacking is vision and will.

In the meantime yes, it's scary and distrubing, but really the only way is through the fire.

Everyone else may get their "motivation music" from hip-hop, but I get mine from Joss Whedon. I'm weird that way.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Loose Change in-flight-movie

At first I saw this as a setback, but after thinking about it a little more, I can see that it may not be appropriate viewing for a commercial flight as much as I would like to see the truth get out to the general public. Personally, I don't like to fly and I definitely wouldn't want to see planes crashing into buildings while I'm riding in a plane. If they show it after the plane landed that would be fine.

Insomnia sucks

So here I am reading the forums at 5:37am.

Anyway I fully agree. In fact I don't fly anymore. I have to go back n forth between the coasts so now I drive. I at least know I'm as safe as I can be when I'm behind the wheel. I also love seeing the country. This IS a beautiful country and I enjoy seeing the differences across it. Watching a film about government duplicity and potential remote control hijackings of planes on a plane is absolutely retarded. It's the worst forum possible. Nothing like making your audience shit itself in fear....

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

which should raise the obvious question

Was it ever truly anyone's intention to show this film on any flight? Or is this just another way of giving Loose Change publicity as "BANNED FROM THE AIR!!" in advance of some totally limited theatrical release that will be used to "debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories" all over the mainstream news?


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RT, I appreciate your skepticism ..

and I understand that LC is a flawed movie. But it is also a powerful presentation, that has gotten more people on the Truth wagon than anything else (including myself). It seems to me, that this will happen on an even larger scale if LC goes into mainstream distribution and showing. Particularly, if the final cut is cleaned up of its incorrect or speculative pieces. I have heard rumor that David Ray was going to help them do this. Has that been confirmed?

We should all stay skeptical. The dark forces will definitely try to poke holes in LC and Truth. But more likely they will fight to keep it out of theaters - because once it goes there, the tipping point is not far behind.

* Truth Will Prevail * See it, Believe it, Know it *

the problems don't end with the film

the makers of the film have performed very poorly in public debates. when their film is released they will no doubt be given even more exposure, and they are not the best people to be representing the truth movement. this is an undeniable fact in my view and it seems that some people are ignoring this fact and turning the truth movement into a popularity contest instead of the gravely serious social reform process it is. just my two cents!


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I agree...

When it comes to the "public face" of the movement, and the best candidates to be debating, the LC boys just don't cut it. Maybe someone could suggest to them that they spend a bit of time learning proper debate techniques, and how to structure an argument? We need to be strategic about every second of coverage we get, because the NWO is DEFINITELY doing that!

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I think the Best Debate team

DRG, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, also if possible Gordon Ross, and Jon Gold.

Those guys are calm enough, I respect Steven Jones, but he is too calm and mild.


Help me shout 9/11 articles on:

The LC Boys and Debating Techniques

A few months ago, I sent the boys a five page letter pointing out the many tips and tricks that are used by professional debaters. I hope they read it and took some of these techniques to heart. I did this after painfully watching them on a local Brooklyn TV show get blindsided by these techniques which their opponents were obviously well aware of and knew how to use. Anyone in a debate who sees his opponent is unaware of these techniques will happily bring these little tricks to the contest with great and devious joy. In a debate, it is often not about what is or isn't true. It is about making an impression on your audience. If you are a liar, it is still possible to create the impression that, although your opponent may hold the truth, he or she has no idea what they are talking about, and thus their information cannot be relied upon as accurate. The skilled debater knows how to manipulate the audience and create doubt in their minds. Dr. Barrett knows these techniques, and I saw him using them when he was on FOX -- the Nazi Channel. It takes discipline and practice. When they try to get you off subject, or keep you from moving to a subject like who are the folks who wired WTC7, you must be disciplined and not take their bait. Merely continue the line of discussion you were originally pursuing as if they had never asked you a question at all, or just change the subject to the one you want to discuss. In this way, you do not give control of the conversation back to them. It is all about control of the conversation and using the clock to your advantage. They use this technique ALL THE TIME on us. Watch for it next time and you will see this technique and how they use it. If you want to talk about WTC7 and they do not, they will just ignore you and change the subject to the one they want to discuss. There are all kinds of verbal cues they employ as well to make it appear as if they are being civil and conversationally fair, but these are just smokscreens. This is an infowar and we must learn to use their own techniques and tricks against them. It is way too late in the game to be nice anymore. This is "gloves off time."

Formal debate or Faux debate?

It sounds like you are talking about ways to hold your own against someone like Bill O'leilly. I was thinking more along the lines of formal, classical debate. Both strategies would probably be useful...
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

thats quite a conspiracy theory there RT........

constructive crticism? thats a good thing. but what your doing here? its sort of what you bash Alex Jones for(well,one of the things). engaging in rampant speculation based on what you believe(or want to believe) and not on any hard evidence. and you call Alex Jones paranoid?

HA! I don't call AJ paranoid, I call him dishonest and shrill

And I'm entitled to speculate I think, no? As far as the Loose Change guys, are you saying that they are good spokespeople for 9/11 truth? If so I'm afraid we disagree. Also, I think it's funny that a truther of all people is accusing me of being paranoid because I suspect that disinformation may well be subtle. Their own admission that they were in talks with billionaire 9/11 denier Mark Cuban is not hard evidence of poor judgement at the very least?


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dishonest how? i disagree

dishonest how? i disagree with him on A LOT, but i dont think he is dishonest. i would love to hear an example for once and not just a broad criticism. i tried once before to ask you who you thought AJ was running cover/working for. you failed to answer. i respect your opinion RT, i usually agree with you but you usually just take cheap shots at Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew without being too specific. do a write up, i would read it and debate it, im sure a lot of others here would.

I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought

it was totally weird that they were going to offer a movie about plane crashes as an in-flight option. My understanding was that they never, ever show stuff like that on airplanes, whether it's the sole in-flight movie or just an option. Have they showed movies like "Airforce One" or "Alive"? Or "Snakes on a Plane"? lol

and you know what?

I've been flying since I was four years old, in and out of airports all over. Before 9/11 you would never see any plane crash stories on the news in airports--after 9/11 I think that policy was changed--I remember watching the fiery air france landing in the airport in Raleigh-Durham. It was surreal--WTF?? Fear is definitely being used actively by these scum...


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you are FAR more likely to die driving a car across country than in a plane and that is EXACTLY what those that still believe the official government lie need is to shit themselves in fear.

I think a double header of LC3 and 9/11 Mysteries should be mandatory in flight viewing personally.

Good Publicity

If people are told the movie is "banned" I think that will entice people to want to see why. Tell someone they're not allowed to see something and then provide it in a video store so they can watch it whenever they want.... Even bad publicity can be good.

this fact is not lost on the powers that be

Which is why you won't hear of anyone banning 9/11 Mysteries from airline flights...


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Great doc,

not as commercially viable as lcfc.

It was a choice on the menu

and was not going to be shown to all passengers, but only those who chose it.

Show "You are a genius" by Mambo Bananapatch

Off topic CDI

I was looking for examples of "pull it" and found an old article about a pre-9/11 demolition of a sports dome in Seattle. All it said was "provided the energy we needed to pull the columns inward", so that doesn't help. It was interesting to note that, coincidentally, "A key engineer behind the Kingdome's design was the late John Skilling, who had a hand in designing New York's World Trade Center". Perhaps most interesting is the description of the demolition (with the dust clouds, etc) in a pre-9/11 world.

Anyway, the article got me to thinking about Controlled Demolition, Inc. and whether any research has been done on the owners/founders to try and see if there are any signs that they had a hand in the demolition of the towers.
Some of the names mentioned are:
Thom Doud, liscenced blaster
Mark Loizeaux, President of CDI
Jack Loizeaux, founder of CDI whose sons conducted the implosion

Now on to more googling...

I actually met Mark when I

I actually met Mark when I was working for a nonprofit in Baltimore the summer of 2005. We were doing lead safety for a big demolition project CDI was doing for the city. This was before I was an active truther, and knew of CDI's connection to WTC, OKC, etc. I don't remember anything suspicious about him or CDI.

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if they were...

I doubt they would have done so with full knowledge that it would be a murderous demolition. Demolishing the Murrah building after the fact is in no way criminal if they honestly had no idea that they were destroying evidence. My guess would be that if they had a hand in 9/11 it could have been that they were asked to design a demolition having been told that it was going to be done legally somehow, then using the plans CDI came up with the actual rigging was outsourced to foreign explosives experts.



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The same PBS Doc...

That Larry Silverstein made his famous comments about 'pulling it' has a segement where a demolition guy is on the radio telling someone they are about to 'pull' building 6.

By pull they mean use wires

By pull they mean use wires and cables to pull it down, which you can clearly see.

No explosives are used and you can see them using the cables to tear it down.

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Larry Silverstein is not a demolition expert

I don't see why whether demolition experts say "pull it" has much bearing on what Silverstein meant when he said it.


Silverstein is just parroting what he has heard demolition experts say.

When he said 'pull IT" there is only ONE thing he possibly have meant.

That could be

I'm just saying that he could also have been using his own words, so the argument that demolition experts don't say it that way, even if true, does not necessarily prove he was not speaking of demolition.

I don't think this statement is the strongest argument, because he can explain it away, even if his explanation of pulling a firefighter team does not make much sense.

In the context of what we observed, it should certainly be given some weight as circumstantial evidence, and I am not trying to refute it.

Couldn't you hear the quotation marks?

To me, that statement of his sounded very much like an outsider using insider jargon -- in that kind of "boy, this makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about" way. There was definitely extra spin on those two words.

No Big Deal

I have a feeling that the LC guys would rather have the Final Cut enjoy center stage anyhow.

Why not on the net

The internet seemed to work fine for their first release of LC.

Do you think it will be released online at the same time it goes into theaters?

I totally agree, that this

I totally agree, that this is becoming almost a civil war between neo-cons, gatekeepers, and sheeple. But they outnumber us. it almost makes you want to say "why the F**K am i fighting for you!" but then i digress and remember im fighting for me and my family.

What are they so scared of?

Think about it... if LC were filled with the sort of nutty-conspiracy theories that the neo-convicts like to claim, would they really give a damn if it were shown or not? It's exactly because LC shed's light on their dasterdly deeds that they fear this movie so much.

In the end, all their efforts will back fire. The truth cannot be stopped.

I too would rather see Final Cut get the spotlight, so I don't see this as a bad thing.
"Cogito ergo sum"

11/22/63 Bombshell !!!

A truther friend of mine just sent me this url from one of Alex Jones's web sites.
Some may think it is off topic but it isn't. As Meria Heller said, "If you don't understand 11/22/63 you will NEVER understand 9/11." I couldn't agree more. Check it out and by all means listen to the mp3 attached to the article. It is a bombshell. We need to spread it far and wide. This could destroy what Tarpley calls the "Shadow Government". Don't expect the propaganda machine known as Fox News to report this one. .............Last night the Warriors pulled off the greatest upset in playoff history. There is no reason why the 9/11 truth movement can't do the same. We can beat these NWO bastards. WE WILL BEAT THESE BASTARDS!!!!!

is there any reason

why you can't just say what it is?


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its just the E Howard Hunt stuff

that has come out from his 'deathbed' style talks with a couple of his sons. It basically goes over, from an insiders point of view, how the shadow government goes about doing things like the JFK conspiracy. I think a much more significant article is the new Salon article about RFK and who he thought was behind his brother's assassination. You can find it here:

RFK, starting that afternoon, was looking at the same thing JFK conspiracists have been looking at all these years. And it is documented by phone conversations he had, and who he set out to basically investigate the case. He immediately looked to the anti-Castro CIA operations, and their corresponding mafia ties.

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Even though it's obvious that JFK was not killed by a "lone gunman", it seems, to me anyway, that the dicussion of JFK only distracts from the momentum we've built with 9/11 truth and that talking about the JFK murder is a distraction from that. I don't understand why Alex Jones keeps going off on these tangents when we're so close to achieving our goal. And not to mention his annoyingly obtuse diatribes about the "lie" of global warming (which --a 9/11 truth site-- apparently disagrees with). Regardless of whether or not you're correct about global warming, there's a time and place for this stuff Alex...and 'here and now' ain't it.
The key is to stay firmly on track, never losing site of the light at the end of the tunnel.


yea that stuffs tiresome. just yesterday he went off on 'the pit bull' problem, and ranted for 20 minutes about how evil these dogs are.
my point is that sometimes i think ive heard all i need to from alex, forgetting thats hes been a great asset to themovement..


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your thought process is exactly what the globalists/nwo love, those that cannot see how all things like 9/11, JFK, RFK, Global Warming, Fed Reserve, IRS, etc etc are all related as they are byproducts of the war on this republic by these demon nwo scum. The sooner everyone realises how these things are connected, and that alot of the players are the same and/or related thru the history of these events, the sooner you will realize there is much more brewing than the question of 9/11 Truth. 9/11 is not the central issue in the big picture, but it can be the core issue used to expose the demons and bring the whole false reality we live in crashing down to the ground (yes at freefall speed)

(not an attack, btw)

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

JFK and RFK are most likely

JFK and RFK are most likely related, but I think it would be much better to let people discover that for themselves, AFTER they are "woken up" to 9/11. 9/11 exposes and ends our current crisis, JFK and RFK will not. Also remember, the "conspiracy theory" meme is sunk in VERY deep with JFK...
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine


Something is fishy with the global warming debate... I just saw one of the "talking heads" (Glenn Beck?) saying yesterday that it is a hoax. I don't think there is room for this stuff right now. Quite honestly, if I'm going to live out my days in a gulag with my brain hooked up to the internet to monitor me for "thought crime", I really don't care what the weather is like. We need to deal with the corrupt government before we can do anything about the environment anyway, so SHUT UP ABOUT IT Alex (and Webster Tarpley). It can only serve to discredit 9/11 truth. We can talk about it LATER, after we stop the NWO.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Idiots that claim

that Global Warming is a hoax place themselves into the same category as Holocaust deniers & Moon Landing deniers.

There are a handful of such lunatics out of 6.5 Billion people on the planet.

Have you taken any arctic ice-core samples lately?

Look, I personally feel that the climate is changing. In my experience, the weather does seem to have destabilized and warmed over the past 15 or so years. However, all the science I have seen supporting the idea HAS COME FROM THE MEDIA. I don't exactly trust the media these days. Also, I see it as rather convenient that such an apocalyptic issue is front and center PRECISELY at a time when our rulers are tying to whip us into a state of hysteria.

But then, I think "who benefits" if we believe global warming isn't real... Only the oil companies as far as I can tell.

My experience tells me that the climate is changing, and my common sense tells me we have to clean up the environment no matter what. I just don't think this is a debate we should be having right now. The globe is going to be plenty hot once Cheney starts having fun with nukes...

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

you are clearly

putting your distrust of the media (which is totally founded) ahead of scientific fact. I worked for Scripps Inst. for 22 years and in that time have personally talked to some of the leading experts on Global Warming.
This is not a debatable issue anymore.

I completely distrust the Media however what little they talk about it is meaningless.
NONE of the science comes from the media BTW, they are merely reporting what scientist from all over the world are talking about.

Of there's Global Warming

..but it doesn't have dick to do with my driving my SUV!

Nor "carbons"!

Its just NATURE! Crap - Lets go arrest the sun - there's the culprit. Documented fact: Its happened over and over and over.

Do you think a GLOBAL TAX on the people is going to make the sun stop heating up?

The Right-Wing uses TERRORISM to scare the public into GLOBALISM.

The Left-Wing uses GLOBAL WARMING to scare the public into GLOBALISM.


you are a complete


The climate treaty

is an agreement between nation-states, and our Senate ratified the treaty after it was signed by a Republican president.

How is global warming necessary to scare the public into globalism? NAFTA, WTO, and other treaties were not pushed on that ground.

Even Lindzen, the most serious critic

accepts the mechanism of radiative forcing by greenhouse gases, and acknowledges that there could be warming as a result.

Right--I had no problem with this one--"Down, Please."

See, while you're RIGHT about the whole scaring people into freemarket globalism in the worst sense of the word, you're WRONG that there aren't problems where you SUV figures in.

It sounds like you're saying "WAKE-UP--and do nothing!"

A more accuate message would be "Wake up--the neo-cons ARE the terrorists!"


"Wake up!--energy efficincy, independence and better milage will benefit EVERYONE--reguardless of the truth/falsity of global warming!"

And, I think the spirit of your point is stop scaring people and instead help them learn the skills to build a better world. ;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


"Wake up!--energy efficincy, independence and better milage will benefit EVERYONE--reguardless of the truth/falsity of global warming!"

Hell yeah. (Still we gotta sort out the globalists first...)

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Yeah, I'm with ya, I'm with ya...

Again, my experience and my common sense, and my trust of science tell me that Global Warming is almost certainly real. I fully understand that we cannot take billions of gallons of crude out of the ground and turn it into billions of metric tons in the air, and expect this not to have an effect. I just don't think this debate should be tacked onto 9/11 Truth. It's a distraction, and those of us who become "global warming deniers" could discredit the movement. And again, we aren't going to make any headway on the environment as long as the current structure of corporate rule is in place. We need to solve our LIFE AND DEATH political problems before we will be able to do anything about the environment.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

The models are not perfect

and scientists are cautious. As it turns out, the models did not predict the arctic ice cap melting as quickly as is now being observed.

The precautionary principle should have been applied on this issue since 1992, when the United States entered into the climate treaty ratified by the Senate, acknowledging the problem and promising to act before countries like China whose historical and current responsibility were much less. Throughout the 1990s, Democrats and Republicans refused to act without China also acting, in contravention of the treaty.

It will be much more expensive to act now, because of more sunk capital, and the climate system has tremendous inertia. We are already stuck with more warming even if all emissions stopped now, because of the delaying effect of the oceans in absorbing heat.

The insurance companies warned us 15 years ago -- they know how to assess risk and should have been listened to.

Not a new issue

I see it as rather convenient that such an apocalyptic issue is front and center PRECISELY at a time when our rulers are tying to whip us into a state of hysteria.

This issue has been front and center since the Second World Climate Conference in 1990. It's back in the news because the changes are becoming evident, faster than predicted, and also perhaps because the trauma of 9/11 is wearing off and we have more space for public policy debate.

I don't trust the media either, but this is driven by the science. I don't throw out all institutional science, despite the corruptions of science by Big Pharma and other corporations, and despite NIST.

updated link

find out the actual cause of global warming

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Global warming is very real...

...the cause for global warming is the part that is the hoax. Have a look at this to understand why the nwo/globalist solution to global warming (a Carbon Tax) (how ironic) will never work...

The Great Global Warming Swindle

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


but that is just plain bullshit.

I personally know several Scientist that have worked on Global Warming research for over a decade and none of them have any nefarious agenda, their data is irrefutable.

You are trying fruitlessly to discredit solid science because you "imagine" that a carbon tax proves it.
That is absurd.

There could definitely be some Reich Wing nut bags that are going to try and take advantage of Global Warming of that I have no doubt. This is what these types do, take advantage of whatever situation in order to squeeze money out of as many people as possible.
They have been doing it for centuries.
but the science and the reasons it is happening is not a hoax.

Go watch the film

if youre so concerned with science, the whole film is about science and disproves Gore's "Convenient Lie".

talk out of your ass afterwards.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I dont need to

I have lived it for 22 years. I Know what the science is.

Gore is 100% correct, well actually the 1000+ Scientist from all over the world are correct, Gore is simply giving them a platform to spread this information to as many people as possible.
Governments have a tendency to try and play down or stop such information if it might have an adverse affect on their corporate masters, that top 2% that make 90+ % of the money.

Sadly people like you fall for the propaganda hook line and sinker.
Of all people a 9/11 truther should have more sense and know when you are being lied to by corporate interest.

So then put your 22 years up

against my 37, and watch the film. Then come back and explain where the science in the film is incorrect. Theres a challenge for you. I doubt you'll accept it though. Anyone who's standpoint is "I dont need to see anything else" because "I know everything" is not concerned with science and evidence in the least.

Go watch the film and tell me where the science is wrong.

btw the same people responsible for 9/11 and all of the other evils we all yell about, are the SAME people telling you global warming is being caused by humans - remember that

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB




It's a good film, haven't seen it debunked convincingly or otherwise. And a global carbon tax generates a hell of a lot of money. What is to be done with the money? Do we build something that somehow sets a limit to how much of the sun's energy reaches us? Do we put giant corks in volcanoes? Do we blindly trust the elite that they know what they're doing on this issue when it's clear that the conflicts of interest never end?

so all the evidence

you two have is that a "carbon Tax" sounds suspicious? LOL.

Did it ever occur to you dimwits that Global Warming is a fact and the Reich wing corporatist are just trying to cover all bases like they always do?

They try to get people like you two nitwits against Global Warming by playing on peoples hatred of anything "Tax" related.
If that works then everything goes on as usual.

If not then they make money on the Carbon Tax, either way they win and idiots like you fall for it.

The carbon tax is nothing but an idea to try and make those responsible for the most carbon pay the most, it has ZERO to do with the science which is overwhelming.

Just out of curiosity which do you believe to be correct.

Evolutionary Theory or Creationism?

you harp on

my comment on a carbon tax (not presented in the film, it was my comment) and you claim to come from the point of view of science, yet you refuse to watch the film - what are you afraid of? I think you're afraid youll learn the truth.

Scripps eh? Thats very very interesting there friend. I wont say what I suspect is the case with you, but thanks for showing everyone here that you are not concerned with science, and will not watch the film, and therefore cannot prove anything about global warming except to say you "know scientists".

Good job.

Question: How come you have been a member here for 36 weeks and have 0 blog entries of your own? Or am I mistaken? Just curious.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I have no desire

to start a blog of my own, so what.
There is far more than enough to comment on which takes way too much of my time as it is and usually covers about anything I would blog myself.

You can believe whatever you wish.

I worked at Scripps in La Jolla for 22 years as a Marine Biologist whether you believe that or not is moot, just yet another fact for you to deny.

I have played this game before and it always ends the same regardless of the subject be it Global Warming Vs those that claim its a hoax, or Evolutionary Theory Vs delusional psychotics that believe in creationism.
Its all the same.
It is exactly like 9/11 truther Vs OCT nuts.

Its a pointless venture.

I can present fact after fact, mountains of data from 1000s of research papers about either of these subjects and the deniers will simply deny it and spew whatever diatribe they have deified.
Doesn't matter at all that what you say makes no sense whatever, doesn't matter that in both cases the consensus of 99% of the entire Scientific community worldwide is in agreement.
the deniers will always hold their ground and dig in deeper and deeper.

With the creationist is always just boils down to godidit
with the GW deniers it will always boil down to "theydidit" which for most Reich wingers means those nasty "liberals" .
Either way you will never accept factual reality.

What I would like to know is why a so called 9/11 truther is preaching Faux Noise talking points?

They are talking about this very subject right now on CSPAN. They are answering all your questions, naturally you will deny it all.

Where do I deny global warming?

I have never denied global warming is real, I question the cause. You can yap about everything else all you want but the fact is you wont watch the film, or discuss any facts about the causes of global warming. Your a liar and a shill, depending on "science" from people with everything to gain and nothing to lose, whereas I like to hear both sides, and give creedence to what makes sense, which almost always comes from independent science and people with EVERYTHING to lose (personally) and NOTHING to gain (financially).

All of your other topics of bs smoke screens are fine, and I dont care what you believe personally (its too late for your soul) but I will point out shills like you where I find them.

The time you have spent going back and forth in this thread you could have watched the 1 hour film and whipped together a scary scientific blog post disproving all of it points. Why havent you done that if youre so sure of what you preach to these nice people? Because you cant. Liars and shills never can.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

All I need to know

dont care what you believe personally (its too late for your soul)

You are a delusional psychotic, no need to continue discussing anything with someone that believes in magic and fairy tales.

Have a nice day.

hahaha, you fell for it

I used the word "soul" and you fell for it, as your "out" - I am an ATHEIST you lying scumbag.

You are an obvious NWO shill, spending time here to do nothing but push your bosses agenda's with your POISON DISINFORMATION. Scripps eh? Why not just say NWO Research Center - Eugenics Division.

Your a lying piece of trash and need to vacate the premises.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

You seem very upset...

Perhaps you should have a beer...Cool

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

by the way...

Your straw men dont work with me, in case you havent noticed.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

And it could be better to tax energy use

than income and payrolls, which penalize labor and encourage replacement of labor with capital.

This volcano shit is a red herring.

Compare the volume of gas expelled by volcanoes to the volume of gas expelled every minute of every day all around the world by over a billion cars, aircraft, ships, trains, factories, powerplants... Every day, all day. I guarantee human activity DWARFS the gas produciton of volcanic activity. Plus, is volcanic activity ramping up over the past hundred years? If not, then it is a non-factor.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Oh really?

so you have been in the Scientific community for 37 years eh? Somehow I doubt that.

I'm not going to waste my time watching some Reich wing propaganda, sorry.

Maybe you should read the 900+ research reports done over the last decade that ALL show that Global Warming and the human connection is a very solid theory proven by a ton of good research.

I do not have 37

years in the "science community".
for the record, when I wrote that I had misunderstood your "22 years" comment. I couldn't edit it after that because someone had replied.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


Would you vote for him if he were a candidate?
Whats Gores stance on 911?

probably not

but his stance on Global Warming is impeccable and absolutely correct.
The only presidential candidate I would vote for is Kucinich currently.

Although Gore as vice president would be a good ticket.

Gore Enviromentalist NOT

By Joshua Frank
Another hard look at Gore's environmental record

Al Gore has returned to the political spotlight in exalted fashion. Front and center in Gore’s new rhetorical entourage is the state of nature, and in particular, global warming. And while Gore may be delivering an important message about the fate of our fragile ecosystems, one must be wary of the messenger’s past. For Gore’s own environmental record leaves much to be desired.

Al Gore’s reputation as the Democratic standard bearer of environmentalism dates back to the early 1990’s when his book Earth in Balance outlined the perilous threats to the natural world. Gore also showboated his green credentials at the Rio Earth Summit in 1992, which garnered the newly minted Senator great respect among Beltway greens who praised him for his willingness to take sides on controversial issues. While serving as vice president under Bill Clinton, Gore was put in charge of the administration’s environmental portfolio, but had little to show for it.

Other than his alleged environmental convictions, Gore was politically timid when push came to shove in Washington. During Clinton’s campaign for president in 1992 Gore promised a group of supporters that Clinton’s EPA would never approve a hazardous waste incinerator located near an elementary school in Liverpool, Ohio, which was operated by WTI. Only three months into Clinton’s tenure the EPA issued an operating permit for the toxic burner. Gore raised no qualms. Not surprisingly, most of the money behind WTI came from the bulging pockets of Jackson Stephens, who just happened to be one of the Clinton/Gore’s top campaign contributors.

Perhaps Al Gore’s greatest blunder during his years as vice president was his allegiance to the conservative Democratic Leadership Council and their erroneous approach to environmental policy. Gore, like Clinton who quipped that “the invisible hand has a green thumb,” extolled a free-market attitude toward environmental issues. “Since the mid-1980s Gore has argued with increasing stridency that the bracing forces of market capitalism are potent curatives for the ecological entropy now bearing down on the global environment,” writes Jeffrey St. Clair in Been Brown So Long It Looked Like Green to Me: The Politics of Nature. “He is a passionate disciple of the gospel of efficiency, suffused with an inchoate technopilia.”

Then came the first of the Clinton administration’s neoliberal wet dreams: NAFTA. After the passage of NAFTA, pollution along the US/Mexico border dramatically increased. And Gore should have known better; NAFTA allowed existing environmental laws in the United States to be undermined. Corporations looking to turn a profit by skating around enviro statutes at home moved down to Mexico where environmental standards and regulatory enforcement were scarce.

These follies were followed by Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt’s destructive deal with the sugar barons of South Florida, which doomed vast acreages of the Everglades. Then Gore and Clinton capitulated to the demands of Western Democrats and yanked from its initial budget proposals a call to reform grazing, mining, and timber practices on federal lands. When Clinton convened a timber summit in Portland, Oregon, in April 1994, the conference was, as one might expect, dominated by logging interests. Predictably, the summit gave way to a plan to restart clear-cutting in the ancient forests of the Pacific Northwest for the first time in three years, giving the timber industry its get rich wish. Gore, again, said nothing.

Forests under Clinton and Gore’s watch didn’t fare all that well. The Clinton administration’s Salvage Rider, known to radical environmentalists as the “Logging without Laws” rider, was perhaps the most gruesome legislation ever enacted under the pretext of preserving ecosystem health. Like Bush’s “Healthy Forests” plan, Clinton’s act was choc full of deception and special interest pandering. “When [the Salvage Rider] bill was given to me, I was told that the timber industry was circulating this language among the Northwest Congressional delegation and others to try to get it attached as a rider to the fiscal year Interior Spending Bill,” environmental lawyer Kevin Kirchner says. “There is no question that representatives of the timber industry had a role in promoting this rider. That is no secret.”

In fact, Mark Rey, a former lobbyist for the timber industry and head of the United States Forest Service under Bush, authored Bush’s forest plan and Clinton’s salvage bill while working as an aide for Republican Senator Larry Craig of Idaho. “Like Bush’s so-called ‘Healthy Forest Initiative,’ the Salvage Rider temporarily exempted salvage timber sales on federal forest lands from environmental and wildlife laws, administrative appeals, and judicial review,” contends the Wilderness Society.

“The Salvage Rider directed the Forest Service to cut old-growth timber in the Pacific Northwest that the agency had proposed for sale but subsequently withdrew due to environmental concerns, endangered species listings, and court rulings. Bush’s initiative also aims to increase logging of old-growth trees in the Pacific Northwest.”

Clinton and Gore during the time could have exercised presidential authority to force the relevant agencies to abandon all timber contracts that stemmed from the Salvage Rider. But they never flexed their muscle and instead sat by as the forests were subjected to gruesome annihilation.

An example of the ruin: Thousands of acres of healthy forestland across the West were rampaged. Washington’s Colville National Forest saw the clear cutting of over 4,000 acres. Thousands more in Montana’s Yaak River Basin, hundreds of acres of pristine forest land in Idaho, while the endangered Mexican Spotted Owl habitat in Arizona fell victim to corporate interests. Old growth trees in Washington’s majestic Olympic Peninsula—home to wild Steelhead, endangered Sockeye salmon, and threatened Marbled Murrelet—were chopped with unremitting provocation by the U.S. Forest Service.

And the assault on nature continued with Gore’s blessing.

Around the same time Clinton and Gore, after great pressure from the food industry, signed away the Delaney Clause, which prohibited cancer-causing pesticides and ingredients to be placed in our food products. And after pressure from big corporations like chemical giant DuPont, the Clinton administration, with guidance from Gore’s office, cut numerous deals over the pesticide Methyl Bromide despite its reported effects of contributing to Ozone depletion.

As for Gore’s pet project, global warming, he did little to help curb its dramatic effects while handling Clinton’s enviro policies. In fact, Gore and Clinton made it easy for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to back out of the Kyoto Protocol by undermining the agreement in the late 1990s. “Signing the Protocol, while an important step forward, imposes no obligations on the United States. The Protocol becomes binding only with the advice and consent of the US Senate,” Gore said at the time. “As we have said before, we will not submit the Protocol for ratification without the meaningful participation of key developing countries in efforts to address climate change.” Sadly, Gore stood by his promise.

Although the Kyoto Accord was a gigantic step forward in addressing global warming, Gore opposed the watered down version of the Protocol despite its numerous loopholes that would have allowed U.S. corporations to continue their business as usual. But Gore backed off in hopes of not alienating the Democrat’s labor base who worried that new environmental standards would shift jobs to developing nations with weaker regulations. Hence Kyoto’s derailment and the Democrats set up for Bush’s misdeeds.

And the list goes on.

So while Al Gore flies a polluting jet around the country and overseas to preach to the masses about the dangerous effects of global warming and its inherent threat to life on Earth – you may want to ask yourself whether the hypocritical Gores of the world are more a part of the problem than a solution to the dire climate that surrounds us all. [Note: The Inconvenient Truth web site claims the film is the “first carbon-neutral documentary.” – ed.]

A portion of this article was adapted from Left Out! How Liberals Helped Reelect George W. Bush (Common Courage Press, 2005).

Joshua Frank, author of Left Out! How Liberals Helped Reelect George W. Bush, edits

One big happy channel?
The Telecommunications Reform Act handed over control of the radio airwaves to a chosen few. Will TV be next?

Editor's note: Second in a series on the consolidation of power and ownership in the media landscape.

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By Eric Boehlert

June 28, 2001 | Pomp and circumstance ruled at the signing into law of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Held inside the rotunda of the Library of Congress, a bill-signing first, the ceremony featured an array of bipartisan legislators praising the comprehensive package. Newly appointed Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich heralded the act as a jobs and knowledge bill. Vice President Al Gore stressed how public interest was central to the telecommunications revolution.

After speaking by videoconference with students at Calvin Coolidge High School in Washington, Gore watched as President Clinton signed the bill using the same pen President Eisenhower did in 1957 to sign the bill that created the interstate highway system, which had been written by ex-Sen. Gore, D-Tenn., the vice president's father. Clinton then used a digital pen to sign an electronic copy to be posted on the Internet.

In his remarks that day Clinton boasted that the "landmark legislation fulfills my administration's promise to reform our telecommunications laws in a manner that leads to competition and private investment, promotes universal service and provides for flexible government regulation."

Five years later nobody doubts that the law was indeed a landmark -- not only because congressional efforts to update the country's vast communications industries for the first time since the 1930s had themselves dragged on through the '80s and well into the '90s but also because the Telecom Act, as it became known, unleashed unprecedented deregulation and media consolidation, among the most pronounced in American history.

Nowhere has that consolidation been more acutely felt than in radio -- where just two companies, Clear Channel and Infinity, now dominate the nation's commercial radio stations. The result, many longtime radio industry observers feel, has been the degradation of commercial radio as a creative, independent medium.


Union of Concerned Scientists

Yet another

Reich winger spewing Faux Noise talking points.

This is all complete bullshit.

If I'm a right winger -

then you are clearly a COMMUNIST.

I'm a libertarian dude.

You think everything is RIGHT & LEFT don't you.

Everything has to fit into a bottle for you. This is your delema ..and why you'll be a SUCKER for lies all your life.


Wake up dude - if you live in FEAR - they have you by the BALLS

They put out a ZILLION LIES for you to FEAR - Xtians have HELL as their FEAR. Its all CONTROL BY FEAR. Your a sucker.



Then why do you parrot

Faux Noise talking points verbatim?

Although this particular post is borderline insane making no sense at all.

Peak Oil is a documented fact
Al Qaeda is not coming
Terrorism is just Reich wing scare tactics for the simple minded.
Global Warming is a Scientific fact
more guns is just more guns, violence comes from the individual.

The only fear I have is that the American public is just going to continue to do absolutely nothing about these Treasonous War Criminals that are destroying this country.

Devil's advocate--but just a little...

I only skimmed the above post, but it is true under the Clinton administration environmental protections suffered as badly as under the Regan/Busdh administrations.

The devil of course is in the details, but those of us who think clean air and water are for some strange reason important, we should vote with out eyes open--yeah, they may promise, but, once elected, WE the PEOPLE will have to stand on their necks to make them follow through with their promises.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

The details

are of course that it was the Rethuglican congress not Clinton that made the environmental protections suffer.
Those nuts fought Clinton on every single thing he did.

Clinton was not perfect by any means but he was one hell of a lot better than ANY Rethuglican since Lincoln.

Clinton is NWO puppet.

Want proof?

Immediate disqualification. I cannot trust ANYTHING this man has ever said or done. Vote Hillary and despair.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

That can be said about

Every single politician in the last 50 years.

updated link

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Idiots that claim

that Global Warming is a hoax place themselves into the same category as Holocaust deniers & Moon Landing deniers.

There are a handful of such lunatics out of 6.5 Billion people on the planet.

Just a fact

Stop with the attacks.

Make with the science.

Sorry not interested

in doing a tail chase argument with global warming deniers, its the same as trying to talk sense into Young Earth Creationist.
Any and all data will always be completely denied in favor of faith in whatever bullshit you have deified.

You realise of course that what you two are preaching is full blown Faux Noise talking points right?

Can you give me one example of a single Faux Noise talking point that wasn't a bald faced lie?

Think about that.

He has no science

just straw men

He wont take the 1 hour challenge...

The Great Global Warming Swindle (global warming is real, the cause is not)

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I agree. There are strong

I agree. There are strong evidence supporting that. The whole solar-system is heating up and sun's magnetic fields are much stronger than before. Believing that man is the sole cause of global warming is not very open minded thinking. It's like when someone tries to point out the fact that WTC 7 came down almost a free wall speed and and the reaction is like "so what, it's just natural". Well the solar system is heating up, but hey "no big deal".

Critizising the consensus is healthy. There are many truths to be discovered... 9/11 is just a tip of the iceberg. Let's explore them and wise up.

you fall for the same propaganda

nobody has ever said that "man is the sole cause" but what man has done is what has tipped it over the edge and it is the only thing that can be controlled.

If mankind were still like we were say 200 years ago, no cars, planes, industry etc then we would not be having Global Warming today.

"The whole solar-system is

"The whole solar-system is heating up and sun's magnetic fields are much stronger than before"

Really. That's interestiing--where did you read that?

I've had an interest in astronomy since grade school--but I can't say I've ever come across anything about stars heating up as they age. Not counting novas of course. Usually they cool and expand as hydrogen gets used up, at least a G star like our sun. And that's billions of years off.

Just interested.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Idiots that claim

that 911 was an inside job place themselves into the same category as Holocaust deniers & Moon Landing deniers.

There are a handful of such lunatics out of 6.5 Billion people on the planet.

Just a fact

I'm a truther - and I here that crap from the LIARS all the live long day.

DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS DUDE - When the truth HURTS you need to look a little deeper.

Don't preach your "truth".

Don't preach your "truth". It's silly.

Grow up, people [or you're going back to sleep].

Updated link

for all your Global Warming Truth Needs

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Some of you so-called "Truthers"

still don't get it. 9/11 is just the tip of the iceburg. This rabbit hole goes very deep. What good does it do to put the neo-cons behing bars for 9/11. Like Tarpley says the "Shadow Government" goes untouched. We must and will dismantle the entire network once and for all. If we fail, hello 1984. If you don't understand 11/22/63 you will never fully understand 9/11. I have a very strong feeling some of you so-called "Truthers" are realy moles.

The only way

that will happen is to completely dismantle the mainstream media.
absolute and immediate destruction of Faux Noise and all of them run out of the country on a rail.
then put a stop to the media monopoly of just 5 Reich wing corps in total control of all media.

we need to go back to at least 50+ different media outlets again and bring back the Fairness Doctrine.
Start treating the public airwaves exactly for they are PUBLIC airwaves.
WE own those airwaves not the broadcast media.

Yep. Dismantling the MSM is

Yep. Dismantling the MSM is one of the absolutely necessary steps. Bring back Fairness Doctrine, rewrite anti-trust laws STATING EXPLICITLY why monopolies are dangerous... (BECAUSE THE ELITE WILL USE MONOPOLIES TO CREATE OPPRESSIVE HELL ON EARTH. WRITE IT EXPLICITLY INTO THE LEGISLATION!!!!)
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I agree with much of this

but not the "mole" part.
The problem for some is probably just that the subject--the whole subject--is really huge. JFK is most definitely a precursor to 9/11, definitely related.
For some people (mainly those who have already researched JFK), the connection aids understanding of 9/11.
For others (those who have not spent time on JFK), it may sound confusing and feel like too much information.
All we have to do is keep things in perspective. Right now, the main focus should be on 9/11 and helping more people understand it.
If JFK helps, then use it. If not, then let people find it on their own.

They were both successful

They were both successful coups, perpetrated by the same interests. It is extremely helpful to have spent time studying all of the 60's assassinations when tackling 9/11.

What is discouraging for us now is how little the dawning public knowledge of those events translated into public action or call for accountability over the decades. Something like 70% of Americans believe that there was a conspiracy involving the govt. in the JFK assassination, but because they didn't understand the context for it (and still don't), they don't realize that a permanent shift to a rogue corporate, war-based economy took place. They don't realize that it WAS a coup. Importantly, the historical record has never been corrected.

That's one reason that the seasoned assassination researchers warn about placing too much emphasis on physical evidence. Although it proved to be conclusive (and seemingly self-evident), it just went round and round, lied, argued, and denied, and eventually people grew weary of it.

If you can't help people to understand the deepest "why's," we'll remain lost in a field of informational counter-thrusting swords. And that is a steeper uphill battle than forging agreement on the weakening point of steel or the size of the hole in the Pentagon.

Here is a link to a very

Here is a link to a very basic comparison of the two events:
It's a place to start.

That is an argument

that "no-planers" make, and are attacked as moles for making it.

I just learned that Jeff King, who also was a ground breaker on controlled demolition, has a great explanation of why the South Tower perforation videos are so questionable.

I hope that people will try to view this video with an open mind. He really explains the problem quite well.

Response to your entry

While I agree with you on some points you have raised in your blog entry - the positive encouragement of the potential Imus replacement - I would have to disagree with you on a terminology point, and on an opinion.

First, (politely requested) Please distinguish between a neoconservative and a conservative.

Ron Paul, a conservative, has some great anti-War/American foreign policy ideas (that he highlighted last night at the Republican debate). I was happy to see that, as of last night, he had received some of the highest ratings in the polls I viewed before I went to bed.

As for people in the media/FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC who try to push neoconservative/neoliberal views down our throat, just change the channel if you find yourself getting angry. Keep an objective and scientific mind on what they are saying, and refute it professionally. That's the best way to stop the spread of their lies and inaccuracies. Use forums like this to get your view across, and ignore their persuasive tactics.

Our rights have not been completely taken away, and we are NOT living in a World War 2 Nazi/Communist environment. There is still hope that good leaders will emerge and call out the War on Terror (and Drugs, for that matter) as a sham.

Until people begin to be rounded up and arrested for public dissent of our government, I suggest holding off on the dire predictions of the crackdown on the freedom of speech.

And as long as we employ nonviolent means of protest, I only see 9/11 Truth growing stronger.

Good news, new data to chew on....

Military Precision, amazing work by Frank L:

“The absurdity of the flight paths in general can be seen by looking at the distance from the various airports to the various targets and comparing them to the flight paths taken:"


9/11 truth is the cure for the poison pill.

Red pill>Blue pill