Dave Emory's Disinfo Attack on Steven E. Jones
May 12, 2007 - Dave Emory has issued a correction to his broadcast, but the blog entry in which the correction is made is a further smear piece, expanding on the other, weaker points made by Emory, and reinforced by the person who maintains the blog. Correction noted Emory, now get to work on the last decade's worth of corrections. -r.
I used to listen to Dave Emory at length. I found his theory that an "underground Reich" is at work causing mischief, murder and mayhem all over the world fascinating. He bolsters his theory with an impressive backlog of archived radio programs that have been broadcast on station WFMU.
One of the cornerstones of Emory's theory is a book by Paul Manning, "Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile".
Much of the “For The Record” series deals with the Bormann Organization and the research done on that by the late Paul Manning ... The Third Reich has been able to survive—underground—in deadly, Mafia-like fashion ... His death at the end of the war having been effectively faked by Gestapo chief (and later security director for the Bormann group) SS General Heinrich Muller, Martin Bormann proceeded to lead the economic and political affairs of the Underground Reich and (in effect) the Federal Republic of Germany ... When Paul was finally able to get Lyle Stuart Inc. to publish the book, Lyle Stuart had both of his legs broken the week the book was published ... source
There is only one problem with this book. Martin Bormann is dead. D-E-D dead. He has been dead since May 2, 1945. This was proven once, when Bormann's skeletal remains were discovered in 1972. The remains were positively identified using the dental records of Bormann's (and Hitler's) personal dentist.
This proof wasn't good enough for folks claiming that the "remarkable and deadly Bormann Organization" was alive and kicking, so a mitochondrial DNA analysis was conducted, and the results published in the scientific journal, "The International Journal of Legal Medicine".
Contrary to statements of an eye-witness who reported that Martin Bormann, the second most powerful man in the Third Reich, died on 2 May 1945 in Berlin, rumours persisted over the years that he had escaped from Germany after World War II. In 1972, skeletal remains were found during construction work, and by investigating the teeth and the bones experts concluded that they were from Bormann. Nevertheless, new rumours arose and in order to end this speculation we were commissioned to identify the skeletal remains by mitochondrial DNA analysis. The comparison of the sequence of HV1 and HV2 from the skeletal remains and a living maternal relative of Martin Bormann revealed no differences and this sequence was not found in 1500 Caucasoid reference sequences. Based on this investigation, we support the hypothesis that the skeletal remains are those of Martin Bormann. source.
Maybe Emory should be calling it the "remarkable but bogus Bormann Organization".
"But," you may ask, "who broke Lyle Stuart's legs, then?" Well, maybe Lyle Stuart. I sent an email to Paul Krassner, a friend of Stuart's, asking about Stuart's "broken legs". He sent the email to Stuart's widow, who replied that she had "no information" about this incident. Krassner further advised me that, "Lyle would laugh at the notion that his leg was broken by anyone but himself--and he hated Nazis." Some wild speculation here, but maybe Stuart had a fall, and broke ONE leg, singular, and maybe Nazis didn't do it.
Further, it's likely that Manning was sent on a wild goose chase by former CIA head, Allen Dulles. Check out this quote from the hit-and-miss John Loftus;
Several decades after the war, investigative reporter Paul Manning, Edward R. Murrow's colleague, stumbled across the Thyssen interrogations in the US National Archives. Manning intended to write a book about Nazi money laundering. Manning's manuscript was a dagger at Allen Dulles' throat: his book specifically mentioned the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart by name, albeit in passing. Dulles volunteered to help the unsuspecting Manning with his manuscript, and sent him on a wild goose chase, searching for Martin Bormann in South America.
Without knowing that he had been deliberately sidetracked, Manning wrote a forward to his book personally thanking Allen Dulles for his "assurance that I was "on the right track, and should keep going.'" Dulles sent Manning and his manuscript off into the swamps of obscurity. The same "search for Martin Bormann"scam was also used to successfully discredit Ladislas Farago, another American journalist probing too far into the laundering of Nazi money. American investigators had to be sent anywhere but Holland. source
Loftus has been a guest on Emory's show on several occasions. Funny how they never talk about Manning's wild goose chase.
Anyhow, Emory has been attacking 9/11 skeptics off and on, ad hominem remarks, mostly, but last July I noticed a major up-tick in his vehemence toward the subject with an interview he conducted with Daniel Hopsicker:
Daniel Hopsicker: ...Rami El-Batrami’s name is on a plane that’s the sister to a plane that’s busted with 5.5 tons of cocaine. Rami El-Batrami works for Adnan Khashoggi. Rami El-Batrami with Adnan Khashoggi own a company called Genesis Intermedia. For which they were just charged with stock fraud last month. $120 million disappeared. Genesis Intermedia owned John Gray. I mean, owned John Gray. Didn’t just own his book, owned him. Owned his appearances, he had sold himself to them.
Dave Emory: John Gray, by the way, is someone who has cropped up in the New Age milieu, as the author of “Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus”. He also has been one of the financiers of the so-called 911 truth movement.
Hopsicker: And that’s the point. And that’s the point. And that’s the point. He’s the financier of the 9/11 cult movement, which, if you have a whacky idea that leads nowhere, they’ll give you all kinds of publicity...
...and Carol Brouillet walks around at a San Francisco 9/11 conference, which is the one and only one I ever went to, with her arm around John Gray...
...and the whole point of that conference was to pump up Mike Ruppert. Who was the main speaker, like, the two nights and one day I was there. And Mike Ruppert is the biggest charlatan I’ve ever come across. Mike Ruppert took all of the attention associated with questioning about 9/11 a couple years after the attack, and delivered nothing… a 600 page door-stop. Peak Oil! Peak Oil!
Carol Brouillet noticed my blog entry and spoke up to give her version of the events in the comments section below the entry.
Since these two discuss me, I think I need to put in my two cents.
One of the first political events that I ever organized, actually, was with Dave Emory, and Judi Bari and Wes Swearingen, author of FBI Secrets- An Agent’s Expose. Judi suggested that I invite Wes, whom she had only known by phone, and who used to be on the FBI “anti-terrorism squad in New York,” of all places.
I became a political activist, after seeing the film, JFK. So I have only been looking into things deeply since 1992, although I am currently running for Congress on an Impeachment, 9/11 Truth, Peace and Justice platform.
I did organize the first International Inquiry into 9/11 in March 2004 where Hopsicker was actually invited to speak and where John Gray turned up. I had no idea who John Gray was and simply met him there for the first time, as well as Nafeez Ahmed, Webster Tarpley, Nico Haupt, Nicholas Levis, William Douglas, Sander Hicks, Jerry Russell, Lyn Pentz, Les Jamieson, Kris Milligan, and a whole lot of other 9/11 Truth activists (Barrie Zwicker, Grey Brechin, Ian Woods, Ralph Schoenmann, Mya Shone, Sue Supriano, Bonnie Faulkner) for the first time. The idea wasn’t to showcase Michael Ruppert, in fact I asked Paul Thompson to speak on the failure of the government to intercept the planes on 9/11, but he wanted to speak on Pakistan’s role in 9/11 and Ruppert was happy to speak on the failure to intercept- as well as his main thesis.
I believe Hopsicker felt that anyone who wasn’t doing research specifically on the “alleged hijackers” was off on a wild goose chase.
I think it highly suspicious that anyone wastes their time attacking people in the 9/11 Truth Movement rather than those responsible for the attacks, the cover-up, the destruction of evidence, the Big Lies about the Bogus War on Terrorism which are being used to launch innumerable wars, construct a Global Police State, consolidate corporate power at the expense of people and democracy worldwide.
I don’t agree with any one activist on every point about 9/11- there is tremendous diversity within the movement, but 97% agree that 9/11 was an inside job, and that is the critical point. All efforts to put a stop to state sponsored terrorism and war should be supported.
Hopsicker brings up Adnan Khashoggi. Well, Peter Dale Scott has done more documentable, scholarly work tying in Khashoggi to 9/11 elements than Hopsicker and Emory combined, in this single article. Oh, and I'll have to check with everybody else, but I'm going on 6 years, 8 months and change without a single paycheck from the Adnan Khashoggi 9/11 Truth fund. What am I doing wrong? How much sweet Khashoggi coin have ya'll scooped?
But beyond blogging it, I let it pass. I assumed that he would move on to other topics, like admitting that he's been wrong for years and years about Martin Bormann.
I was wrong. On the May 1, 2007 broadcast of "For the Record" (program #592) he launched an attack on Steven E. Jones that is entirely characteristic of his sloppy research, ad hominem potshots, and general vitriol. I'll attach as much of the program as transcript that I could stomach writing below. In the meantime, you can listen to the Real Audio archive stream of his show here;
May 1, 2007: FTR #592: Update on 9/11 and Related Topics PLUS FTR #593: "Three Days of the Falkon"
In which, Emory says that "many of the volunteers who helped out at the World Trade Center following September 11th, were actually experts in controlled demolition, and a number of them have put together websites debunking the frankly-- not just wrong, not just impossible, frankly, evil contention that this was a controlled demolition."
They have? Evil? Jeez.
But here's the classic. Emory states that the primary reason that Jones' research must be rejected, is that STEVEN E. JONES IS WRITING A BOOK ATTACKING DARWIN!
There is only one problem, STEVEN E. JONES IS NOT WRITING A BOOK ATTACKING DARWIN!
Dave Emory, is conflating creationist "Stephen E. Jones" with former BYU professor, "Steven E. Jones". I would extend Emory the possibility that he just got "mixed up" between the two, but somehow he has been able to flog the animated corpse of Martin Bormann as proof of the "underground Reich" for going on a decade now. Plus, he summarizes an article by Steven E. Jones, "Was There Death Before Adam?", in which the first line is, "In this essay, Elder Jones shows how death before Adam makes sense from a scriptural sense. He is not necessarily saying that evolution of man is true or untrue."
Wow. That sure doesn't sound like a hardcore "creationist" to me. It sounds like a moderate religious point of view. How did Emory miss that? It was right in front of him.
And he doesn't just bring it up once. Steven E. Jones, creationist, writing a book about Darwin, is the cornerstone of his character assassination.
From his broadcast;
"Steven E. Jones again is the "scientific expert" behind the controlled demolition contention. Steven E. Jones is writing a book, the outline is online, attacking Darwin. Basically, Steven E. Jones is a creationist, and is writing a book the outline of which I will have online as part of the description of this broadcast. Steven E. Jones is a creationist, albeit an intellectual creationist, he's writing a book attacking Darwin, so there's your scientific expert."
"...what Steven E. Jones "scientific expert" writing a book attacking Darwin maintains..."
"And for those riding in behind the scientific expertise, such as it is, of Steven E. Jones, well, all I can say is... check yourselves, 'cause this is a guy writing a book, attacking Darwin."
"We’ve got Steven E. Jones writing a book attacking Darwin, and yet, being help up as the scientific expert du jour of the controlled demolition adequates (sic) and his notion that he found traces of thermite on a welded steel beam reminds..."
Alex Constantine documented Emory's previous attacks on John Judge and others here.
In short, Emory employs the very tactics that he accuses the 9/11 skeptics of using; presenting misinformation & disinformation as impermeable Truth.
Partial transcript, For the Record #592;
Hello my name is Dave Emory and this is "For the Record" program #592, titled "Update on September 11th and Related Topics". This is being recorded on April 8th of the year 2007.
Well today is Easter Sunday, of 2007 and I thought in keeping with not exactly the spirit of the holiday, but the theme of the holiday, of course Easter is the day when Christians observe what they believe to be the resurrection of Jesus following his crucifixion, I should perhaps preface what I'm about to say and do with the following, I don't subscribe to the letter of any religion, I am not into organized religion. As far as I'm concerned, God is in the realm of religion and religion is in the realm of politics. I actually am a non-denominational believer, there's definitely more than just a bunch of dumb molecules bumping into one another but my non-denominational faith is based on my readings of theoretical physics and some of my studies of Buddhism and other things and I definitely don't think any of the world's major religions has is absolutely right, but all of them or just about all of them have parts of it right and the whole idea is to live a righteous life, you don't hurt people, you don't kill them, you don't steal from them, you don't lie to them, that's a pretty good prescription for living. But I don't ascribe to the beliefs of any organized religion, but I'm convinced that there's something, and I call it the force -- laugh if you will, but it's the only reason I do what I do, I believe in the law of Karma, and I think frankly that we are headed to a time of unparalleled darkness, and if you think that's conjecture, stick around, ladies and gentlemen.
I should perhaps stress that I don't want to offend anybody's religious beliefs, but this is a political program, and it deals with political analysis, and in that context we're gonna begin our discussion of September 11th and related topics by taking a look at the intellectual horizons of one Steven E. Jones, up until recently a professor of physics at Brigham Young University, a Mormon University in Utah. Steven Jones has emerged as the number one "expert" on the, frankly, not just incorrect but physically impossible contention that the Twin Towers and other buildings at the World Trade Center were brought down by a controlled demolition.
Leaving aside the particulars of a controlled demolition, and we'll be dealing with that at a future time, and in fact as part of the written description to this broadcast, I'm going to include a bunch of URLs in which this whole issue is discussed at length and in expert detail-- by the way, many of the first res-- many of the volunteers who helped out at the World Trade Center following September 11th, were actually experts in controlled demolition, and a number of them have put together websites debunking the frankly-- not just wrong, not just impossible, frankly, evil contention that this was a controlled demolition.
I exclude from inclusion in the realm of evil those naïves who have been looking at doctored websites on the internet. And people should be aware of what can be done with pictures; an awful lot. But there weren't no controlled demolition, a controlled demolition of such buildings under the circumstances would be physically impossible. As far as I know, a controlled demolition of a building the size of the Twin Towers is impossible, and indeed there was a demolition of a building at the World Trade Center following September 11th, that was WTC3, which had been damaged, but it was too tall for a controlled demolition. And it was a lot shorter than either of the Twin Towers. We'll go into this at some length at a future time. There will be a number of URLs where people can examine the scientific dissection of this argument.
But one of the things we should note is that Steven E. Jones a professor of physics up until recently at Brigham Young University, has emerged as the "scientific expert" du jour, so to speak, for the controlled demolition disinformation. I would note that one of the early people hyping controlled demolition was a guy named Jim Hoffman, who's a software engineer, when people first began floating this BS to me, I said, "You know I think you're gonna find that a lot of these people are actually working for elements of the intelligence community". Jim Hoffman, as it turns out, is employed, or was employed when he was hyping the controlled demolitions stuff in the early part of this decade by a company that's financed by Naval intelligence and the National Security Agency. Surprise, surprise.
Steven E. Jones is not only an elder of the Mormon Church, he was until recently a big supporter of George Bush, by his own contention. Steven E. Jones, his only scientific credit, such as it is, was to coin the term Cold Fusion, which is a bloody poor scientific credit, but that was the high point of his professional career, as far as I can tell.
Steven E. Jones again is the "scientific expert" behind the controlled demolition contention. Steven E. Jones is writing a book, the outline is online, attacking Darwin. Basically, Steven E. Jones is a creationist, and is writing a book the outline of which I will have online as part of the description of this broadcast. Steven E. Jones is a creationist, albeit an intellectual creationist, he's writing a book attacking Darwin, so there's your scientific expert.
And among the other things that he has penned is an essay that I have to figure out, I'm gonna go over it a little more carefully, it’s called, "Was There Death Before Adam?" In which Elder Jones... tackles the issue which is very troublesome to biblical literalists, "Was There Death Before Adam?" Because fossil evidence seems to suggest that there were things that lived and died, but according to the scriptures, Adam and his fall brought death into the world, and was redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ.
In the "For the Record" supplemental section... we have this essay... in which Steven Jones seems to suggest yes, scriptures suggest real death, the death of the spirit came with Adam, but there was physical death before then, sort of equivocal. But what isn't is an essay called "Behold My Hands" that's really the subtitle of an essay called "The Golden Era of Mesoamerica" and what Steven E. Jones "scientific expert" writing a book attacking Darwin maintains here is that he uses pre-Columbian South American iconography and statuary to attempt to prove that after his resurrection, Jesus did indeed visit the Native Americans, as he is said to have done in the Book of Mormon. By the way the Book of Mormon was discovered in 1830, it was supposedly written in hieroglyphics of sorts which Joseph Smith was able to decipher with the aid of the angel Moroni. Now the fact that hieroglyphics weren't deciphered until the Rosetta Stone was discovered, which it wasn't in 1830, and sure as bloody hell not by Joseph Smith creates problems, but not apparently for Steven Jones, again, I don't think any literalist, fundamentalist religion stands up too well under rigorous scientific scrutiny, but we're in the realm of science and investigation, and what Steven E. Jones "scientific expert" du jour for the controlled demolition freaks is saying here... well, in keeping with Easter Sunday let's read a little bit of The Golden Era of Mesoamerica...
(Let's not. You can view Jones' article here. Accompanying pictures no longer available. -r.)
...again, I'm not poking fun at anyone's religious beliefs per se, but I am poking fun at all fundamentalist literalists. And for those riding in behind the scientific expertise, such as it is, of Steven E. Jones, well, all I can say is... check yourselves, 'cause this is a guy writing a book, attacking Darwin. The controlled demolition contentions vary, Jones has also been talking about how thermite was used to bring down the World Trade Center, and even though the wreckage of the World Trade Center was shipped to China, he got a hold of some of it and he found traces of thermite, he says, well, thermite folks, first of all it does not produce long-lasting heat, as he claims, it produces relatively short-lived high heat, thermite is used for, (hold on to your hats, controlled demolition freaks), welding.
Now imagine, imagine finding traces of thermite on steel beams that have been welded. Amazing, huh? The actual primary application now of thermite is for welding rail tracks, I would note that right under the World Trade Center that would have got mixed in with the wreckage were the tracks from a subway station, but uh, it's pretty interesting watching the controlled demolition train leave the station, so to speak, uh, no engineer at that train, folks. We’ve got Steven E. Jones writing a book attacking Darwin, and yet, being help up as the scientific expert du jour of the controlled demolition adequates (sic) and his notion that he found traces of thermite on a welded steel beam reminds me of a ... Firesign Theater ... comedy albums had a routine which centered around the building of a time machine. At one point, one character who has supposedly traveled back in time comes back and he says "It works, it works! Nancy, see I traveled back to ancient Greece, I have proof, look at this grape".
And that's what I think about the thermite contention.
And for those of you who want to ride on the scientific expertise of Steven E. Jones, he's writing a book attacking Darwin, and he claims that after his resurrection, Jesus visited the Native Americans, and that's what all these statues prove.
Well again, I'm not into fundamentalist religion but there's a bit of an Easter touch I guess for those of you who have been deceived by Steven E. Jones. So, if the controlled demolition train is leaving the station with you on it, be aware that it's Steven E. Jones and not Casey Jones at the throttle.
And we've got Alex Jones, another space cadet, who has also assumed a leading position to a certain extent in the so-called 9/11 Truth movement, not that there is not a very, very, large conspiratorial complex involved with September 11th, there sure as hell was, but it ain't the controlled demolition-cruise missile hit the Pentagon stuff, and with Steven E. Jones and Alex Jones driving that train, I guess we can consider the 9/11 Truth movement to be Jonestown under the circumstances...