The Makers of Loose Change to appear on The View - May 24th

Per the Alex Jones Show and ABC programming. 9/11 hero William Rodriguez and the makers of Loose Change will appear on The View, Thursday May 24th.

Loose Change Creators on The View May 24th -

According to a release from ABC, Korey Rowe and Dylan Avery, creators of the 9/11 conspiracy documentary Loose Change will appear on the May 24th show. Also listed is William Rodriguez, who was a janitor at the North Tower of the World Trade Center, who has since become part of the 9/11 truth movement. The only other guests listed for that date are the winners of Dancing With the Stars, so it appears that the show will not have representatives from both sides of the topic. Rosie O’Donnell has said before that we have been hearing the other side for years, so maybe the show will only cover the topic from one angle. However, since the show line-up often goes through changes before the show is taped, it is possible that they might be adding additional guests. It is also possible that they might have the other side in another segment on a different day.

If you are unfamiliar with the documentary, it is available on YouTube.

What happened to Stephen Jones?

I love the LC guys but people will just write them off a bunch of dumb kids.
Great that Wm Rodriguez will be on but we need to have Stephen Jones up there to back everything up.

i cry foul. no disrespect to

i cry foul. no disrespect to the Loose Change crew but Steven Jones is a fucking physicist and not in his 20's(im in my 20's too, no ageism here). call me crazy but i think that woud be a bit more effective. how much you wanna bet that PM enlists a physicist/architect/engineer to counter our claims? we need Steve Jones or Kevin Ryan.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Cars at fresh kills landfill

He used cars in fresh kills land fill and also a peice of metal proven not to be from the wtc tower.
this vidieo shows floors and the corner buckling in pre collapse.

separate show: Jones and DRG

from what I heard, but not confirmed.
Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


That would be just perfect after they have the Pop Mech people on.
On the 11th day, of every month.

loose change

Loose change is a work of fiction
Dylian admits it in face to face at black lab in houston tx
tell him to kearn the diffrence between north wtc towere and south tower.

Also, accusations without proof are opinions and tossing out strawmen and generlization is just funny.


Don't worry, everyone. We won't let you down.

It was your video

It was your video that woke me up along with many other people that I have passed videos to. I still to this day pass out Loose change 2 and Terrorstorm. I have full confidence you guys will will shine.

Good luck Dylan!

We will be watching and cheering for you

Yep I saw that big script

Yea guy why don't you donate the proceeds to the NYPD or NYFD 911 recovery fund.

Good luck to you Dylan, tell

Good luck to you Dylan, tell Rosie she has lots of support over here!

Stay strong

You have demonstrated such amazing talent and courage by making this film in the first place. Look at how far this has come, largely because of this little film. The gloves are off, it's time to go for the knockout. You know who will be watching, talk to them. Speak in ways the common housewife or unemployed American can understand. I have absolute faith that you will represent, to the fullest, the 9-11 Truth Movement as it is. I am proud to say that I watched your film a long time ago, and I was transformed immediately. The same thing will happen as the masses are exposed. Prayers and thoughts are with you, and I hope that you maintain your courage in the face of the enemy. You are a soldier in this fight, and your brothers are right behind you if you fall. We will continue, we will prevail! The truth shall set us free!!


P.S. You could never let us down, you've helped get us to this point. Being on National Daytime TV is the most anyone has achieved in this so far, big time kudos to you and your crew!

Good luck...

Dylan, Jason, and Corey... Dylan... you know what to do. ;)

It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

Good luck

Good luck

Ignore the cynics on this site. 9/11 truth will never be discredited. The message will never be silenced. We are reaching the turning point. LC is not going alone! Read my post below.

Most of all, we will never give up.

Which show will be broadcast....

....second, PM or LC?

I hope LC goes second.

you hope against reason

that would totally work against the effort to stall the truth from coming out.


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enigs, in regard to "We won't let you down"

it's time to rise to the next level. Your focus must now shift from "We" only to include “WHY We" (i.e., why are we chosen AT KEY MOMENTS to be 911 truth ambassadors). Yes, your film was promoted (by dominate media) above all others, but the FACT that you were again chosen over scientists and other relevant professionals must now be REPEATEDLY highlighted. Of course thinking people already know that moviemakers and magazine/book writers are inappropriate choices for scientific debates, but dumbed-down America will need CONSTANT reminding (by yourselves).

Thanks once again [in advance] for doing the right thing.

Trainer, good point.

Thank you for writing this.

This just made my day!

This just made my day! Good luck on the show guys.. I have faith you will do a great job!

Does anyone remember last year when we would all be ecstatic even if someone just mentioned 9/11 on a show... remember the Sopranos episode? This is way bigger than any of that. True we have a lot of professors, architects, engineers, etc., that would do a phenomenal job on the show, but we also have average people like you & me.. aka Dylan, Korey & Jason... that love this country with a passion and do their best to get the truth out.

Don't forget they are also bringing on 9/11 rescue hero William Rodriguez to share his experiences... this is amazing!

Kudos to everyone!

Peace & Truth

With Rosie on your side

I know you guys are going to hit home runs. This time no agents on stage trying to thwart the truth. Good Luck!

Good Luck..

and God bless!!!

Remember to bring up how many victims' family members are on board with 9/11 truth right in the beginning to capture the doubters and shut up the shills who say 9/11 truth is disrespectful to the family members....(as if you don't know this already) !!!!!!!!!!!!

People like YOU are EMPOWERING the victims and the victims family members of 9/11!!!!!!!!

Can't wait.....

empowering victimes

yea right look at what histeam did on ground zero.
you see you do not care about the survivors you care about your opinion.

Good luck, guys

and thanks for meeting the movement's next test!
PS congrats on the summer release

Lay Off Physics, Physics are a Trap of Fallacy

Can we PLEASE try and stay off physics? Especially if steven jones isn't there, the physics debate is a trap! We then enter the logical fallacy of appealing to an unqualified authority. Stick to POLITICAL facts. DRILLS DRILLS DRILLS (and all the things related to drills like Air Defense stand down etc.) I know the physics are important, but most people are over the physics. It's time to hit home (like the people in the DD and private contractors). I love Loose Change and I don't want the guys to get caught in this trap.


say it aint so

nooooooooooooooo. As previously discussed, we need more qualified representatives for this important opportunity. Maybe the LC kids could just bring Steven Jones along and pull up an extra chair? What is Rosie thinking? Perhaps this was some sort of compromise between her and ABC. My hope is that this was booked a while back and that they may still deliver an authoritative and substantive discussion of building 7.

As a side note, i've found discussing the sudden purge of long-standing employees at Popular Mechanics to be an extremely helpful talking point, and I hope Rosie brings it up next time Elizabeth starts yapping.

The View: William Rodriguez, Steven Jones and LC

Confirmed: 9/11 Truthers To Appear On The View
Yesterday's report validated by Rosie's blog entry

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, May 15, 2007

Confirming our report yesterday, Rosie O'Donnell has validated via her blog that prominent 9/11 truthers are set to appear on The View and educate an audience of around 30 million on the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7.

We reported weeks ago that 9/11 film makers as well as experts on the controlled demolition hypothesis would feature on the ABC show and those tapings are now imminent.


Professor Steven Jones was sounded out for an appearance shortly after O'Donnell first started discussing 9/11 truth on the show and he is expected to be making an appearance very soon.

We are confirming who else is set to appear and will have that news in the next day or two.

Also listed is William Rodriguez, who was a janitor at the North Tower of the World Trade Center, who has since become part of the 9/11 truth movement.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

prison planet hurts crediblity

I am sorry but the media created news of a person whom cannot properly give refrence to his data is not credible
How sad that an African Muslim displays more dignity, integrity, decency, respect and truthfullness for the victims at the site of the 9/11 atrocity than a bunch of ignorant Americans who wallow in hatred of their own country and institutions. The West has truly lost its way. Militant Islam and the terrorists shall eat us alive, and at the final hour we shall still have Western fools bemoaning the fact that we have dared soiled the weapons of our enemy with our blood.

Preach on brother Peter...

This is a huge opportunity for the movement. And we have to maximize that opportunity. The LC guys are great. They are not however, the best face to put on the movement, or the most articulate at expressing their views.

I'm glad to see that someone somewhere agrees with me about something.


with gravitas who is able to communicate with a sense of dignity, seriousness, and duty. DRG for starters.

I also heard

aside from the LC guys there is a separate show with Steven Jones and DRG, which is the counter show to the neocon lie-fest with Popular Mechanics. Can anyone confrm this?

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

NOW were talking!


That sounds great!
How did YOU hear about this?


How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?

I could swear

AJ said this today - but I cant confirm
anyone? help!

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

AJ did confirm on his show today that....

.....he will be an executive producer on LCFC and that Charile Sheen was (I believe these were his words) "on board" (as narrator, I assume).

Show "ooo executive producer" by Real Truther

DRG is still....

.....vetting LCFC's script, right? Surely, that aspect of all this is above your cynicism?

BTW, I wasn't commenting on AJ being EP one way or the other.

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DRG and Jones

Would make the most appropriate guest response to the Pop Mech episode, where they get to say their piece.

DRG in particular, given the release of his new book (among other great works) "Debunking 9/11 Debunking".. ;-)

9/11 truth gone mainstream, and no one can stop us, because of the right to free speech, and the right to question our government, and the stories they feed us.

We Rock!

Thank you Rosie. Thank you Charlie Sheen. Thank you LTW, and you Dylan, you snooty little director you [razz]
On the 11th day, of every month.

"this is true, this is not

"this is true, this is not so clear, this is not true. DRG will not I presume be deciding what goes in, though. In fact to me it almost seems like getting him to agree to vet it for accuracy is a way of getting his implicit endorsement. it does not mean the film won't have an agenda, it just means it won't include any gross inaccuracies."

Maybe I'm an idiot, but what the fuck are you trying to say here? Can you start focusing on the positive, or go take a nap? I'd MUCH rather DRG or Steve Jones appear first, I think it would be better strategically, but the Loose Change guys are cool and don't come off as crazy at all. Like someone said, they're not very articulate, probably due to lack of stage-confidence, but they'll be fine. They handled themselves pretty well on DemocracyNow last year. But it's true we need experts on first and foremost.

soft bigotry of low expectations

We can do MUCH better than they did on Democracy Not. We shall see how far they've come when they appear on the view. That's hardly the point though. The point is that tehre are better people who are more appropriate for the show given what the context is--two hosts disagreeing and suggesting to bring on experts. LC are not experts on a damn thing as far as I can tell. They made a pretty good movie but if you want to call them experts that's your business.


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An executive producer is...not specific

From Wikipedia:

"Executive producer is a major role in the entertainment industry but one that is ambiguous and often difficult to define clearly. Executive producers vary in involvement, responsibility and power. Some executive producers have hands-on control over every aspect of production, some supervise the producers of a project, some manage the financial aspect of the project, while others are involved in name only."

International Truth Movement

Time zone diffrences

It is called diffrent time zone not foreknowledge

Sounds like a rumor to me,

Sounds like a rumor to me, and not very likely.

well, if I am confused

I will apologize. Like I said, I am not sure atm, hopefully someone else can confirm or deny.
Sorry if this turns out to be a mistake on my part.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


"Don't worry, everyone. We won't let you down"

This is a quote from Dylan, I doubt you can get any better source..


Lem, I was referring to hearing Jones and DRG were going to be on the View, sep from LC guys. By the way LC crew, congrats and good luck.
Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

DRG, DRG!!! cross my fingers, hope to be saved!

long live process theology/philosophy!!!! i do hope this happens.

this is is she managing all this? incredible. the tipping point is near dear people.

kate of the kiosk

Yes, the tipping point is near.

See the opening segment of the "Third Stage" clip in my sig for even MORE inspiration!!!


This is GREAT NEWS! [happy]
On the 11th day, of every month.

Show "the fix is in" by Real Truther


Well there goes a perfect oppurtunity down the drain... AGAIN!

I was really hoping for a breakthrough for this episode but now that LC is involved... all bets are off. I'm not trying to be disrespectful here but you're gonna need better than "You Lie!" to sway people's mind. If past LC debates are any guide, the show will be further negative exposure for 9/11 truth, which depending on your point of view is a good thing or bad. I was really hoping we could get some academics involved (Steve Jones, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Ryan) or even a family member but ABSOLUTELY NOT LC :( I can only hope that you guys stick with the best stuff. Stay away from F93 and no plane at the Pentagon! Please!

theyll be fine

millions of people will learn of a pretty good 9/11 flick loose change.

they should just succinctly bring up all the points drg brings up.

no buildings has ever collapsed bc of fire and damge, the simultaneous column failure, rapid collapses. it be better if they had some help. but if not they should be ok

look, we've covered this

It's not about the facts it's about perceived credibility. No dice. This is a stalling tactic to buy some time. I'm really sick of this shit.


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anyone see this?

LIHOP fodder

ooooo mistakes were made that are embarrassing--the eitehr were incompetent or they LET the "suicide hijackers" do what they did. look, this stuff is going to be coming out fast and furious. they are desperate to limit the damage that the WHOLE truth will do to them


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and how do i delete

when it accidentally posts the same comment twice?

real truther

I understand your frustration, and trust me...I rolled my eyes and said "figures" when I found this out. And I feel bad that we're saying all this cuz the LC guys are standup patriots and need to be recognized as such. But the fact that they're always the "chosen" ones for these big events reinforces their celebrity status which isn't what our movement is about, obviously. And they're falling right into it. I honestly don't want them to be our "ambassadors" as someone above already said. They're young, they're teenybopper/hiphop-ish, and they aren't experts in any field other than filmmaking. They're extremely valuable to our movement, we love them, but when it comes to TV appearances, esp. national ones, we need experts. Period.
On the bright side, millions of people are going to find out that Final Cut will be released in less than 4 months.
Cheer up RT! It ain't so bad. I just wish we were at this point 3 years ago!

this i can respect, thank you

I agree very much. But I think that your last line says a lot about why we have such low expectations. It has been so long and now we're getting some little bones thrown to us. It's like if black people were told back in the sixties well hey, we know segregation is wrong but you know, baby steps. We won't allow MLK to appear on national TV but we're going to get Sam from Casablanca on the tube to talk about why more movies need to have strong black sidekicks.... and look how far we've come on the black sidekick issue!! Sam would be so proud....


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May I suggest that instead of complaining on 911blogger all week long, why don't you spend your time a little more productively. For example, if you disagree with the situation, instead of complaining HERE endlessly, why don't you spend time writing letters to accomplish what you want to see happen? Wouldn't that be a better way to spend your energy?


Professor David Ray Griffin was also enlisted as a script editor and fact checker, ensuring the final release will be absolutely watertight and immune to the debunking attempts that will inevitably follow.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."


don't assume you know everything about how RT spends his time and do note that Alex Jones' sites are not 100% reliable or without bias.

He is speaking for many of us who have followed the media-appearance history of the LC guys, given them encouragement (over and over), given them the benefit of the doubt (over and over), eventually decided that they are MUCH better filmmakers than public speakers and gently suggested that they stick to what they do best. The Rosie thing is a slap in the face and basically I have concluded that something is really fucked up and that they are placing pimping their movie ahead of the effective representation of 9/11 Truth on national television.

I will have an opportunity to speak personally with DRG in the next few days and I'm going to ask him about his role in the LC film.


big RT hug to you too Cass! say hi to DRG for me, and tell him I (use my real name) am sorry that we haven't been able to ship his order of "I ♥ Real Truther" t-shirts but we will as soon as we can. I know EVERYBODY who's ANYbody in the movement you know. And they all know ME!! Rosie, I will be a guest on your show. Call me!


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Well here's my point

Yes, I agree that LC sucked in the debates. Yes, I want scientists on the view. But—BUT we are going to get this. We are getting Rodriguez. We are getting multiple shows! So what’s the big deal? I really don’t get it. LC is not doing this alone. If they were I might be complaining too. I’d probably be pissed. We’ve already had the LC popular mechanics debate and it was not much to write home about.

Rodriguez is an awesome speaker. I respect him as much as anyone in this movement. Give this man time on the air without censorship and we’ll see what happens.

I just don’t understand the negativity. Every month the momentum is growing. More people are speaking out. I choose to be positive and further support the truth movement with action.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Play it again, Arabesque!

Thank you for your suggestion! I know you're as concerned as I am over the issue of black sidekicks in movies, which is what the comment above was about. I appreciate you taking the time to write. Unfortunatel, with the volume of helpful comments I receive i cannot hope to answer them all personally. Thank you again for your interest in RT's comments. :)

[big RT hug]


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remember the experts

Debunkers always appeal to the experts. Remember the best reposnse to that is that what type of expert will speak publicly and lose everything, funding etc? most experts have been silent, but mention the 2 swiss engineers , stephen jones, crocket grabby etc, and say there would be more but people are afraid to speak out

What evidence do you have

What evidence do you have that they'll be fine?

Are you referring to the LC-PM debate in which they got their asses handed to them on a platter and their best response was "YOU LIE!"?

Are you referring to the LC-Hardfire debate in which again they really couldn't score off any real points?

I am not trying to be an ass here but the reality (ie evidence based interpretation) of their past performances must be foremost in one's mind. Do you send out your rookie player to hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th when your down by 3 with 2 outs? Of course not! LC guys may be good filmakers but they are not the best public speakers/debaters. Granted the show is not a debate per se but the fact remains that the LC crew are just not the best people we can have trying to convince the public. The fact that they're young counts against them (hey I'm young too) and that they never went to college, etc. I'm not saying that this is in reality important but this is TV, and perception IS reality. Having Jones or DRG automatically brings credibility to us. Granted Jones is also not the best public speaker but he takes his time, is careful, and very knowledgable. DRG also knows the entire gamut of info (though he should stay away from Chertoff and cell phones!) and would be excellent. Having Rodriguez there is still a plus, though having one of the family members there would be even better. The show is not about selling 9/11 truth but about convincing people not to buy the official line. LC crew will just come off as conspiracy theorists, whereas even Liz would not be able to debate with Bob McIlvaine or Lorie Van Auken.

thanks Richard--I'm too pissed right now to put it so well

And I know I'm not the only one who smells big time mackerel here...


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movie is very easily debunked

The only reason Loose Change is there is because there movie is very easily debunked and Popular mechanacshas done it time after time they told Rosie who they wanted to debate (A bunch of college kids) This is a fuckin set up wake up Rosie likes Judy Wood for crying out loud

are they college kids?

See, this shouldn't be about them but now it will be. I wonder if they will encourage people to READ David Ray Griffin's BOOK.


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LC band wagon

I am not part on the LC band wagon I just Know they shouldn’t be speaking about 911 as a spokes person for the truth, leave that to Griffin. this could just be publicity stunt for there new fictional movie. 911 Mysteries is such a better movie and if Rosie was smart that the movie she would promote
I wonder who the LC points there finger at for who is behind 911??? the mysterious globalist lucifarians bla bla bla

you make some good points

you make some good points but you really need to learn the concept of constructive criticism,haha. RT put it well when it said the hosts are suggesting we have experts on and the LC guys, regardless of what you think of them are not on the level of a Kevin Ryan or Steve Jones. 9/11 Mysteries will be a better movie when it explores all of the angles like LC almost did. right now its mainly about demolition and while i love it and its damn convincing i'll wait until the next 2 parts come out to make that judgement. as far as "spokespeople" for 9/11 go, we shouldnt have any and to go back to RT's point we should have the best guests for each situation. it was implied that this discussion would be mostly about WTC7 and the towers. no offense Dylan but you guys should really consider lobbying the ABC people to have on Ryan or Jones with you or instead of you if they wont allow that. i appreciate the work you've done and find myself defending you guys around here a lot. do the right thing here.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

warning: devil's advocacy below - DO NOT READ THIS HIDDEN POST

Hey GIR, i think we should clarify why you say "fictional movie". Some people may not know that the LC guys have said that their original intention was to make a fictional movie about 9/11 being an inside job and then decided that it really WAS an inside job. Kind of like if the Blair Witch Project people had decided that maybe there was something to the Blair Witch stories and made their faux documentary to instead be a real documentary. Now anyone who saw BWP knows that in every respect it was made to look and appear to be a real documentary.

Knowing that BWP was fresh in people's minds as a cutting edge film precisely because it tested the boundaries between fiction and (pseudo) fact, one can imagine that the makers of Loose Change might have been thinking along those same lines--being aware of 9/11 conspiracy theories but perhaps not at first convinced by them, this may have seemed like a cool idea to them, who knows.

Now for some forbidden thoughts, and bear in mind this is speculation and I don't purport to be able to prove any of this or to even suggest it as anything more than a thought exercise. Suppose the perps, or someone sympathetic to the perps, sat down after 9/11 to think about how to deal with the fact that there are always goibng to be conspiracy theorists who will try to make the case for 9/11 having been something other than what the official account claimed. They would naturally be concerned that someone out there might start putting together evidence in a convincing manner and that the end result might, with the help of the internet, become quite popular. What to do in this case? Well, you can wait until it comes out and hope you can convincingly debunk the truth, or you can make your own such film and build-in some easily debunkable assertions.

Enter, um, Spare Change. Spare Change cobbles together some of the more popular conspiracy theories such as those highlighted in In Plane Site, Painful Deceptions, and Thierry Meyssan's book The Big Lie. These have some credibility within the nascent society of skeptics but have not become super popular. That's good, but eventually these films will get better, people will weed out the questionable stuff, etc. With the first Spare Change out, they start getting feedback. Oh, no one buys the pod theory any more, and suspect that the people pushing it are probably trying to discredit the skeptics. Spare Change must remove the pod theory. As the film is discussed by a group of people that still is few in numbers, the product is refined, again with the goal being something that includes enough dubious information to be credibly debunked, but not such bad information like pods that will prevent it from being taken seriously enough to achieve its goal of becoming the most talked about and celebrated "truth film". Because the internet is the main vehicle for conspiracy types these days, and young people are the most avid users of it, the film must have a groovy sound track and ideally be made by kids so that kids will feel a connection to it. So far so good.

Witha few people busy creating buzz on the internet as any marketing team knows how to do well, and a few carefully selected mainstream tv news stories to fuel its popularity (with people thinking-hey, In Plane Site and Painful Deceptions never got on TV!) the stage is set to cement the product in people's minds as THE symbol of 9/11 truth. Alfred Jones, promoter of Illuminati Satanist theories is on board and promotes it heavily including corodinating a joint demonstration (publicity stunt) for the 5th anniversary, which coincides with the release of a number of anti-Truth works (the 4 that are debunked in DRG's book). Now they're doing pretty well, but the "cleverly" titled Screw Spare Change has appeared on the scene, and does fairly well convincing a bunch of people that, because of the flaws in Spare Change, there is nothing to the claims of 9/11 skeptics. The response? Well, we left some errors in to stimulate discussion. Hmm. You left errors in? OK...

But don't worry, because now that (as we all knew) interest and awareness of 9/11 skeptics' claims are gaining currency in the mainstream, we need to be ready for Spare Change to go national while STILL fulfilling its mission of co-opting most of the attention being paid to the issue. Get ready--it's coming--the new and improved Spare Change Final Cut, which is going to be huge! Heck, we even line up a rich guy to promote it, which gives it a ton of publicity. Problem is this guy says outright that he thinks it's BS--I mean, don't want people to think there is any good reason to push a 9/11 truth film (that was originally meant as fiction anyway.) Uh oh, now the problem is that 9/11 skeptics are very confused and suspicious about the involvement of this rich guy (Mark Dominican). Better change the plan and drop him. We got the publicity after all, now his involvement is a liability because it's making people question just how "truthy" Spare Change is! In the end we want a limited release, and we want it to be relatively easy for people who don't want to accept its conclusion to do exactly that. So release the final version, now vetted for accuracy but more importantly for credibility within the skeptic community and continue the process of controlling the truth movement by burdening it with the weight of an inherently flawed product, one that reinforces stereotypes and that will receive most if not all of the attention of the mainstream media.

Ta-daaa! Now when people are seen doing anything related to 9/11 Truth in public, many will walk by thinking "oh dear, there's another brainwashed Spare Changer. i guess some people are just really taken by all these conspiracy movies like V for Vendetta and Spare Change, and Blair Witch. some people watch so many movies they can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. this stuff has been debunked a million times, and honestly, if this stuff was true then why has it never been exposed in a real newspaper? why is it that it only gets out in a documentary made by a bunch of kids? why hasn't anyone written any books about it? sheesh. poor dumb crazy guy. what a sucker, making those Spare Change kids rich while they laugh at him being so gullible."

Well it sounds crazy to us of course, but it makes PERFECT sense to people inhabiting the OCT alternative reality. We will rant and scream all we want but we will have let ourselves be defined by.... who exactly? These three kids who made Spare Change and guided it to the forefront of the truth movement? Or by someone else? By someone whose interest may be in controlling what would otherwise be a truly unstoppable force? By giving the would be wielders of that unstoppable force an apparent bargain--progress that absolves them of any responsibility to actually take to the streets, that keeps them focused on a limited view just in time for the season of heavy political discussion that precedes an election. Look, we're talking serious politics here--take you Spare Change conspiracy crap and go listen to that loumouth Alfred Jones interview John Paul, that kookie right wing libertarian kooky kook kook. Vetted by who? David May Griffin? Never heard of the guy. Oh he WAS going to be onthe view but got cancelled? Probably because they found out he was a kook. Like you. Now go away.


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DANGER: reading the above post

may cause levels of cognitive dissonance that are injurious to some people's health. Definitely DO NOT READ IT if you are subject to spontaneous head explosions. It's too dangerous to even think about. Really. Don't think about it because it's too dangerous.

Can I repost it?

I was fine until I got to "Mark Dominican" and then I lost it (laughing, that is.)

you know the funny thing is

We have a homeless newspaper in Boston (one of those that homeless people get to sell without having a real job with benefits and all that) called Spare Change. People often ask me while I'm out truthing if I'm with the Spare Change people. Now I guess they could mean that I look like a bum, but I think some of them are confusing LC with a homeless newspaper. I may stop correcting them, hee hee...


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BWP LC connection

I do my research I Question there intentions of the Loose change boys because the don’t question the criminal gang or WZO not NWO everyone is afraid of telling the truth or how they really feel when it comes to the raw power of the state of Israel . If my Homeland of Ireland were responsible as much as Israel is for 911 people would be talking wicked shit about Ireland and the Irish people , but we don’t have a weapon of Anti Semitism to threaten or suppress conversations that criticize Ireland or the Irish people Kudos to Theodore Hertzel when he said, "Anti Semitism will be our best friend.

RT I agree with your BWP LC connection
in a couple of years someone will make a computer program the will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that those planes alone did not bring down WTC 1 2 an 7


well said. I'm very dissapointed to see this becoming another Loose change thing.
Not surprised tho.
Again, no disrespect, but weve been there.

You got it Richard, and you're not alone

I'm going to set the VCR today. This show is going to be dissected and critiqued without mercy. The spotlight and the attention come at a price, guys, and Screw Loose Change has nothing on truthers scorned...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Loose Change...

Loose Change your film has done immeasurable, invaluable good for the 9/11 Truth Movement. Your appearances on debates and shows have not. You are not debaters, you are not scientists, you've shown yourselves to be filmmakers. Make your film and let us all see it this fall and let it help change the world, but don't make us listen to you on the View. I know you won't see it this way, but your image has been exploited to paint a picture of the 9/11 Truth Movement that is not accurate and not helpful. It is time to adjust that image and you should take responsibility in doing that. Either invite Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle on the show with you to discuss their NIST petition, or give them your place. They are who Rosie's daytime audience will connect with.

This is my humble, respectful opinion. If it's about promoting Final Cut, that's just not necessary, millions will see it anyway if it's adequately distributed. Probably more people, older people, will see it if they see that there is also an older, more mature face to this movement and one they can sympathize with. Perhaps Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle would be able to show middle aged middle America that watching a film like Loose Change isn't a bad thing. But you can't show them that.

But if you insist on going on the show, we'll all be cheering for you. Best of luck.


If Bill Doyle or Bob McIlvaine were to say simply "Everyone should watch Loose Change when it comes out in the fall", it will do more good for your film than you could do with a half an hour of promoting it, because too many people are going to look at you, make their mind up, not want to see it and think that you alone are 9/11 Truth.

I apologize for the criticism. I have utmost respect, but I just think you could be more aware of how your image can be exploited, and that "image" may be the only thing holding the movement back right now. As soon as regular people get an image they can really trust, it will explode. You're not going to provide that image, it's beyond your control to.

LC crew: Make some talking points


We always put too much pressure on you, because of the spotlight you have been given, but it's only because we want you (and us, and truth) to succeed. To that end, let me recommend you make a set of talking points for your appearance on the View. Maybe 4-5 points will suffice. If you try to talk about everything, people will be overwhelmed and confused.

Also, preface your remarks by noting that the 9/11 Commission is an admitted failure. It's important to show that we are not trying to "revise" history; we are trying to show that history was never written. Kean and Hamilton admitted the commission was "set up to fail". They admitted NORAD lied in its testimony. Important witnesses were omitted from the report. Important evidence was classified. The commission was not given enough time or money, by its own admission. The commissioners all had serious conflicts of interest, in particular Philip Zelikow. The audience needs this contextual information.

Point to the polls that show 2/3 of NYC residents wanted a new investigation of 9/11. That's powerful, because those are the people most affected by this tragedy.

Stick to the facts. Don't argue by conspiracy. That is, don't attack Pop Mechanics by saying Chertoff is the DHS's chief's cousin or brother or whatever. Address the facts.

Finally, I know you are young and pissed off, and you should be. But don't start rambling about a "fascism in the United States," or the deep politics of 9/11. The audience for the View has no context for this stuff, even if it is true.

Politicians have a rule they operate by when conducting interviews or debates: Answer the question you wish they had asked, not the question they asked. Do this. It works. The blonde Nazi tart on the View will try to draw the conversation away from known facts and into areas such as "what hit the Pentagon." That is a trap. Don't follow it. Just say, "Well, there is much we don't know about the Pentagon attack. Primarily, we would like to see video evidence of the attack, which the government has refused to release. More important, there are many issues about 9/11 that we do understand quite well, such as...."

Don't let them get you talking about "killing passengers in NASA hangars" or whatever. No one will remember anything else you say, if you do.

Remind your audience that the opinions you are expressing are not yours but those of "experts". Point them to People believe strongly in "expertise". Exploit that. The other side will and does.

Good luck. We need you to do well.

talking points

mentioning dov and the missing trillions might not be a bad idea, silverstein and the bunch.

kate of the kiosk


FWIW, I wouldn't mention the missing trillions or Silverstein. The missing trillions is very important, don't get me wrong; but by itself it sounds like conspiracy theory. That is, we don't know the full importance of it; we just know it's important.

And mentioning Silverstein.... Look, I think the guy is guilty as hell, but we all know one of the popular talking points for debunkers is to associate 9/11 Truth with anti-semitism. I'm not saying avoid Silverstein always, and I'm not saying implicating him is anti-semitic. I'm just saying avoid Silverstein for the ten minutes on the View, because it's a topic than can be manipulated easily by our opponents.

I know many people around here think downgrading certain facts when in a pop culture forum is like selling out the truth. I just think it's important to consider the context of this discussion, and what your enemies are bound to focus on. By itself, Silverstein buying the Towers just weeks before 9/11 implies some kind of foreknowledge, but it doesn't prove it.

Personally, I prefer to avoid talking about "why" insiders did 9/11. Let's talk about how the 9/11 Commission report is a fraud instead.


"qui bono?" might be a focus point, either posed or alluded to...
and should try to appeal to the watchers' ability to reason (?!) - elucidate and elevate without insult
kate of the kiosk

The non-debunkable key...

The speeds at which the three buildings fell is the non-debunkable key to all of this. Build from that.

Lets assume NORAD was asleep and we all forgive them.
Lets assume the plane impacts cut 90% of the 47 core columns in each tower.
Lets assume jet fuel (kerosene) could sufficiently weaken structural steel in 56 minutes.

Nothing (short of controlled demolition explosives) can explain the rate at which these buildings fell. Nothing.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


the "who benefits?" question doesn't directly prove anything. That can easily be manipulated. People can say, "So, now you're saying anyone who profited after 9/11 was therefore in on the conspiracy?" Of course that's not what we're saying, but our opponents will do anything to confuse the issue.

I would focus on the following:

(1) Most important, the reason Loose Change is necessary is because the 9/11 Commission Report leaves unanswered serious questions. The Family Steering Committee gave the commission a long list of questions, and only a small percentage were answered. The Commission was, by its own admission, a failure.

(This point is important, because you establish with the audience the sense that a proper investigation has never taken place. Your questions are therefore reasonable and necessary.)

(2) FBI whistleblowers such as Sibel Edmonds have indicated that they have knowledge of criminal negligence and criminal behavior by important people in our government. They were denied the opportunity to testify, or their testimony was not included in the final report.

(3) The firefighters were not allowed to testify for the commission. Their recollections of the day were suppressed by the City of New York until August 2005. Dozens of first responders reported seeing, hearing, and feeling massive secondary explosions inside the Twin Towers on 9/11. Multiple news outlets also reported these explosions on 9/11. Clips of these reports are in our film.

We have serious doubts about the collapses of WTC1, 2, and 7, which was not hit by a plane. (This could be a transition to Willie Rodriguez.)

(4) The doubts we express in our film -- doubts about the war games exercises taking place on 9/11, about the lack of response from NORAD, about the odd behavior of President Bush on 9/11 and his subsequent testimony, and about the unwillingness of the White House to launch an investigation of the attacks for over 400 days -- these doubts are shared by many scientists, professors, military people, conservatives and liberals. A list of some of the prominent people who share our concerns is at

Ultimately, Americans DESERVE a transparent government. They DESERVE a comprehensive investigation of 9/11. They DESERVE to have the most basic questions about 9/11 answered. That's all we want.

No Way

Discussing how the 9/11 commission is a fraud should CERTAINLY NOT be our main focus. If facts are brought to light....this point of fraud is OBVIOUS. And just tell people to watch the video of the owner of the building admitting it went down. Just get them to watch the video. I have never had anyone question the Silverstein evidence as being anti-semitic It's not nearly as much of a loaded point as say..The Dancings Israeli's..
Activism is not about attacking whats going's about showing the new and better move..


Excellent points!

Taling points and prepared text helps you control the conversation.

My .02:Dress

My .02:

Dress professionally, avoid groover slang, and practice, practice, practice. Have someone play Liz in your practice sessions and interrupt you incessantly until you can't be torn off-message.


If the subject of your age and credentials is raised, turn it around on them by stating that you, too are incredulous that these glaring problems were deep-sixed by more experienced journalists who knew about them but elected to remain silent.

Insist on using the best video evidence.

As long as the show will feature filmmakers who've dealt with the WTC, please try to get Rosie to include Mike Berger and/or Sofia and Brad. You'll be granted greater credibility, and everyone will win.

Yeah... please don't wear the "9/11 Investigate" Tshirts...

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

I would have liked to see

I would have liked to see Steven Jones, Greg Jenkins, Jim Hoffman, Richard Gage, Jeff King even...

I wish the LC guys all the best though, and hope it will go better than the Democracy Now appearance. I think the key is to keep cool, remain composed and calm at all times, do not get agitated or angry, do not let your emotions overcome you and lash out. Just stick as best as you can to your talking of luck!

Rosie has hinted there will be another episode

Stephen Jones and David Ray Griffin have been contacted. The LC appearance is exclusive to any other appearance. Also Alex hinted there will be a total of 4 shows including an appearance by the opposition Popular Mechanics. Patience people...have patience. This is a big win and be sure to call and write the ABC executives to express your appreciation!!!!

IF this is true

then I will retract much of what I've said. LC is fine as PART of the truth movement, but any effort that makes it seem like it IS the truth movement will be strongly opposed. let us see if in fact DRG will be on--I won't believe it til I see it.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


OK, so I am not crazy

in thinking I had heard that Jones and DRG might be on a separate show.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I love those LC guys....

Love them for the tool they created that made my personal mission of spreading 9-11 Truth much easier.

Having said that, Dylan, Korey, Jason, you have to do better than what I saw on Democracy Now! when you debated the PM lunkheads. I'm not saying I could do it. It has to be tough. You will have your own venue to present in instead of a debate, but that is still a skill that needs refining.

Be ready. You won't let us down!!

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Yeah, this isnt a face to face debate so

everyone here that is worried should probably calm down a little, but I do understand the concern.
Truth be told, if there was only one show to have 9/11 truthers on, my first choices wouldnt be the LC crew (no offense guys!) I'd have to choose Kevin Ryan and one other from this group: Steven Jones, Rich Gage, DRG, Hoffman, Jenkins... (too many to list, but this list never reaches Fetzer or Woods)

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Let's try to be positive....

I also am not too keen on having the LC guys on the View. I say that only based on what I have seen in their past performances in other debates, as mentioned earlier. But, sounds like the show is booked, so all we can do is offer the LC guys some constructive advice on how to prepare for this show.

The good news is that Rosie will of course, be on our side. Joy Behar has demonstrated herself to be pretty open-minded and is a liberal which helps a bit. Barbara Walters may or may not be on the show. Better that she isn't. Normally, a guest host is more left-leaning and a bit more open-minded. The nemesis of course will be the neo-con shill, Elizabeth Hasselback. She will get all "Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity-like" and try to talk over any points the LC guys make. She will, I am sure, either read Popular Mechanics or more likely to someone from PM to get guidance on talking points prior to the show. But she is not the sharpest tool in the shed, as witnessed earlier this week on the View when she tried to discuss the melting point of steel.

I am quite confident the LC guys have already read DRG's new book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". If not, I recommend they read it. If they have already read it, I suggest they read it again, then put in under their pillow at night and "osmocize" it. :-) Elizabeth "the blond Neo-Con" Hasselback will be using the Popular Mechanics claims as her main frame of reference. So important to know all the BS talking points from PM that she is going to bring up. And she will probably question your patriotism. She will probably bring up the "Bush Admin. incompetence argument". Also, she may bring up the "how could the govt. keep this a secret" argument.

I also would try to make an arrangement with the View to be able to show, the "collapse" of the World Trade Center 7 building on the show. I would also have a clip showing another building collapsing through the use of documented controlled demolition. Perhaps show them side by side. I believe this visual will make an impact. As most people have never seen the "collapse" of WTC7. Those that have, probably haven't seen the collapse since 9/11 during the gov't/media "shock and awe" day.

If at all possible, perhaps the LC guys can get on the phone with DRG this week and get coached on what three or four talking points to highlight, and to determine any setup questions to ask PM to answer in preparation for their appearance on the show later.

As someone mentioned earlier, the View audience is mainly stay at home moms/dads and older folk. It will be very important to state points clearly, don't get "shrill", and remain calm. As part of the "Desiderata" states... "Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story....." Of course, promote LCFE. But also point the audience to other 9/11 videos/books that they can research.

I am confident that the LC guys will do well if they stick with a handful of talking points and set up PM for when they appear on the show. And, even though I do believe something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, please don't go there! There are other, more stronger smoking guns (ie. WTC7) that should be discussed.

Ok, I am off my soapbox. The LC guys f***ing rock!!! If it weren't for them, the 9/11 Truth movement would not be where it is at today. Best of luck to you.

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

LC guys - I fully support you

We all owe a debt of gratitude to the Loose Change guys. They are modern day Thomas Paines ably communicating a message of revolution to the masses. One of the things that was so engaging about their movie was the music - it was contemporary and perfect for the subject matter. And, if the 9/11 Truth movement is to succeed; we need to bring more young people into the movement. Frankly, besides DRG (who has been working closely with them) and a few other activists, can you think of anyone else who really knows more?

These guys having been living, breathing and sleeping this stuff for years. They are well informed. And, they are young and (for lack of a better term) a lot hipper than DRG or SJ. They will do fine.

The LC guys have good instincts and deserve this opportunity as much as anyone. Let's support them by offering constructive suggestions and providing ideas for talking points. Let's not get into a pissing match about who would have been a better choice.

Besides, all publicity for the movement is good publicity.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." Thomas Paine


On Democracy Now they could not identify what administration Cheney served as secretary of defense for. They thought it was Reagan. I can think of too many people who know more than they do. I do agree that all publicity is good publicity for the most part, so I'm not saying this is the death of the truth. I'm saying it's very interesting that they were picked to represent the truth movement. VERY inetresting.


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point taken

OK, point taken. Lacking historical knowledge like that can certainly hurt. Hopefully the LC guys will read this, take it as constructive criticism and brush up a little on their history. Papa DRG should be able to help.

However, I thought Tarpley also struggled a little on Fox last week when he said there were no fires in WTC7. No one is perfect. Each representative/leader of this movement has strengths and weaknesses. I am certain Tarpley knew there were fires, but he was caught in crossfire of lies and just slipped up.

Who knows why the LC guys were chosen? We can only speculate at this time. Another conspiracy or Cuban's agent doing his/her job?

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." Thomas Paine



god damn it!
They are horrible public speakers.The fact that there is going to be significant editting and limited
air time for their collective diatribes , I think a more forceful and direct speaker
would be in order. This is a travesty.

David Ray Griffin is the most compelling speaker in the movement
and doesn't come off like a hyper-aggressive nut case.

This is an easy case to prove if you stay on point. All you have to do is hammer the freefall speed
anomoly. It completely and utterly anihilates any arguement that something very strange did not happened.
It is based on Newtons second law and has stood since the 1680's.
I have never even heard any so-called "expert" debunker come near this with a ten foot pole.

Hammer free-fall.
Considering they will probably only have less than 5 minutes of uninterupted time , one single piece of
of unimpeachble evidence must by repetitiously repeated. It makes horrible television but this is how the medium works.

They should bring a piece of white board out with them and do a 3 minute course on the acceleration of gravity and it's history. Then spend 2 minutes very SLOWLY doing the simple calculation. The fraud is then becomes self evident to anyone that understands simple algebra.

Math has no bias , does not take things out of context , does not misquote or lie.
We invented it for a reason , times like these.

Blessed are those

who hunger, and who thirst for what is right, for they SHALL be satisfied!
On the 11th day, of every month.

Doesn't Matter

It doesn't matter who's on if they're going to be on separate shows... now it's up to the editors, the questioning and who gets the last word. It just makes me so mad thinking about both Meigs and Elizabeth sitting there with their smug pompous "whatever" smirks....

1. Can anyone find someone besides the PM goons to spew the garbage?

2. What scientific credentials do these magazine writers have?

3. We're talking about the liquid metal flowing down the subway channel rails, not "weakened steal"

4. Any good turkey recipe requires one to pre-heat the oven to 400F STFU Elizabeth!

I think Richard Gage is the most qualified to appear for the movement until the evidence chain can be confirmed for S. Jone's analysis.

my 2 cents

Jones, DRG AND Gage would make for the best combo

for a follow up show to the Pop Mech liars' nonsense IMO. Aside from DRG, Gage should be our new frontman now.
On the 11th day, of every month.

Careful here...

Here's what happens: Dylan and Jason are permitted a forum. Then the Popular Mechanics shills, who proceeed to "debunk" everything that was said the day before -- audience is rendered confused and assumes the aged "experts" are more credible. Then, on cue, the neocon media goes ape and the producers are "forced" to withdraw scheduled appearance by DRG and Jones due to threats by advertisers for giving "anti-American" views on the view.

Mission accomplished.

In light of this possibility, Loose Change guys should do one of three things: (1) try to have their appearance last rather than first, with DRG and Steven Jones firing the opening shots; (2) bring along some other representatives of 911 truth during the inintial show; (3) allow family members to take their spot. No offense to Dylan -- you did a far better job than I would have on Democracy Now -- but this is our biggest opportunity yet to make 911 truth go supernova. It's no time to gamble on the honor of ABC in upholding their alleged commitment to have DRG and Jones on the show.

Good luck either way.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

If you do decide to go on

If you do decide to go on all by your lonesome, I agree with simuvac that the single most important thing to keep in mind is that there ARE tricks you can use to control the terms of debate. Politicians are masters of it. Now would be a good time to read some of the posts by “Consciousness” here on blogger in the Webster Tarply-on-Hannity-and-Colmes thread. He breaks it down very nicely.

During the Democracy Now interview, Goodman tried to have you focus exclusively on physical evidence. Because of “concision”, there is not enough time to even begin to explain the dynamics involved in these phenomena, ie the Pentagon Crash, the shoot-down of flight 93 or the collapse of the three buildings. WTC7 and “free fall” are perhaps exceptions.

If you are forced to discuss these topics – and you will be – say a few sentences and change the subject. Don’t dwell on eye witness testimony. It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s just that physical minutiae can be argued ad nauseum. Though the arguments from the PM shills are patently absurd, they are masters of pseudo-scientific vernacular; they can make ridiculous theories sound plausible. They will not be appearing with you on the show, but they will be taking notes for their appearance. Don’t get suckered into it. Change the damn subject.

A lot of people are talking about your youth and lack of expertise in the required fields; you can compensate for this by memorizing some names, eg the many high ranking military and intelligence officials, civil engineers and physicists, and most importantly – FAMILY MEMBERS – who have gone public. Justice for the family members are demanding a new investigation should obviously be stressed. “We didn’t come up with this stuff – family members and experts did – we should made it into a film”.

Keep this in mind: no one on the view is an expert in the required fields either: therefore, you can expect to hear the following kinds of comments: “Are you suggesting Bush planted bombs in the towers?” “The American government would never do that do her own citizens.” “The Bush administration is too incompetent.” “Someone would have talked.” And so on and so forth. I assume you’re already well-versed in the answers to these questions; if you’re not, now would be a good time to read some of George Washington’s blogs.

Final word: try and slip in Operation Gladio. Gladio is acknowledged by European governments and basically nullifies all of the above arguments. Oh yeah, and WAR GAMES. If you simply say at some time during the appearance: “the US government was holding war games simulating hijacked airlines crashing into prominent targets on the morning of 911”, I’ll he happy with your appearance.

Good luck again, and I hope you’ll consider some of the options I outlined in my previous post.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Don't dis The View over this...

Keep in mind a couple of show business realities.

Steven Jones and the others may not be available just yet, while Mr Rodriguez and the Loose Change are;

I've read previously that The View is NOT planning on any on-air confrontations between 9-11 truth proponents and opponents -- at least, not yet. They plan to give guests from each side their own show segments on differing days, which is actually probably a good thing in the long run. If everyone has time to really listen at length to each side without a hostile listener across the table constantly interrupting (other than the The View's own crew), then everyone will have a chance to develop their story. That may not be what you've been waiting for from the PM people and the like, but that's more than 9-11 truth gets from Fox. This style always tends to benefit the minority view in any argument, as long as the minority view can present its evidence and logic coherently. This style is also better suited to getting out the details necessary to complex ideas, and a step in the right direction for American public debate, which has suffered for too long from debate and conversation simply degenerating into "dueling soundbites." I'm glad to see The View treat their audience as grown-ups, capable of maintaining their interest over multiple episodes without wrapping everything up in a little bow by the end of every show. Not to mention its a great way to develop a real relationship with an audience, since you never know when any episode can develop into a "natural cliffhanger."

Whether it's the more liesurely pace of The View (for women tired of testosterone-driven hype), or Fox's idiotic and prideful assumption that they will somehow drive people away from 9-11 truth ideas BY CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT THEM (!), all this attention can only help.

I hope Rosie has a long and pointed

question for the PM boys.

The LC crew

has earned the right to be there. This appearence won't make or break the movement. I think everybody should calm down and be glad we are getting this exposure. I am looking forward to seeing this and I think it is a good thing.

The NYT has negative article about Rosie and her 9/11 views

It is starting to heat up. Will be interesting to see of the "The View" will actually air any 9/11 Truth.

Here is the article in the NYT regarding Rosie and 9/11. Be sure to read the comments.

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

It was in their blog, not the actual paper.

People are entitled to express their opinion, and we still live in a land of free speech, so what can "they" do to stop it?
On the 11th day, of every month.

This is good news for both

This is good news for both Rodriguez and the LC guys but keep in mind that the mainstream media is the equivalent to a black widow spider. I would be cautious, attentive and uber prepared for the toughest of questions and/or curve-balls. May the force be with you.

Show "The Loose Change boys are Rosie's experts?" by CHF

Oh yea of such little faith, and patience..

I think it's going to unfold quite nicely for our movement. Wait and see.
On the 11th day, of every month.

But, but...

what about going to HARVARD?

here's hoping...

...that whomever made the decision in question reads this site. If they do, maybe we'll see a response.

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

a bit off topic, but...

First, let me say LC was the first 911 video I saw and it inspired me to discover the 911 truth movement - so I am appreciative of that.
I don't follow things as closely as the rest of you, and forgive me for what may be a dumb question, but have the LC guys responded to Mark's Cuban's comments during his recent Bill O'Reilly interview, where Cuban referred to LC as: "propaganda in the shadows" that needs to be exposed so people can see how "crazy" it is; that he thinks it needs to be widely distributed so people can see exactly what it is, before being able "to refute it"; and at the end of the interview he even refers to LC as "the enemy".

It hardly sounded like someone embarking on distribution in order to support 911 Truth.
Or was this supposed to be some sort of trick to patronize O'Reilly long enough to get some free publicity, even if it meant seeming to mock and discredit the film he is distributing?
At one point, Cuban even says he would be glad to distribute a film by PM that would debunk LC.

Could someone direct me to a link that explains what this Mark Cuban interview was all about, and how it is okay with the LC guys?

Show "Doesn't matter what Cuban says" by CHF


Christ CHF, may I ask what in the hell are you trying to accomplish by making that statement? The BOTTOM LINE is without the creation of Loose Change...we would more than likely not be at the point we are today, nor would this here forum even exist. For you to write off these guys as just going after the money is ludicrous. What is happening here to everyone? I agree they are not the best debaters but holy shit give them a chance to redeem themselves. You must know they read all these comments and take them to heart. The only thing your going to accomplish by stating they are only in it for the money is to divide and slow down this movement. Unity is the only way to the truth so with all due respect wise the fuck up, and stop with the smart ass comments directed towards the LC crew. I am starting to think there are certain people posting on this forum now whose direct intention is to bring down this movement, now that assumption has a better chance of being true than yours...

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

Loose Change

These guys have played an enormously important role in revealing the truth about 9/11. They are American heroes.

Of course they are heroes.

But it doesn't mean they are the best spokespeople to draw newcomers into our movement.

Why announce a date?

Why announce a date? Something will obviously happen next week to try and distract (yet again) the viewers. They will either stage something or they will take what they say and twist it to make them sound like wacks (maybe both). It would have been great if they said (in two weeks) and then appear on the show next week to throw everyone off. And why are they having the popular mechanics retards going on AFTER them? They should be going before them because there going to hear (our) argument, opinions, and speculation, and then there going to hear the official version and who knows what people are going to think of the movement. Its a 50 50 thing.

Can't Lose With LC guys.

Okay, maybe having experts with degrees related to their theories would be a better guest to give some credibility to, what some consider, far out ideas. The fact of the matter is that Dylan and Jason have got "LC: Final Cut" COMING OUT IN THEATERS NATIONWIDE soon. This will be a HUGE plug for that movie and will get the non-readers of the world to wake up and hopefully involved in the truth movement in some way. Plugging this movie on this show is a monumental achievement in my opinion because you know Rosie will back it. It's like Oprah's book of the month club, only it's a movie. I can only see a major significant increase in awareness to the 9/11 truth movement and even more awareness to our present corrupt administration. GO, GUYS!! GO!!


1st, there is still a possibilty Steven Jones will appear as well.
2nd, having the LC guys on will only grow the movement. There will be those that don't believe them, and will not change their minds of the official theory. BUT, there will be MANY people who see the show, then watch LC online, and their minds open.

We will get many new converts from this appearence, it will only be a good thing. Think about it, they're up against Liz Hasselbeck! It won't be that hard.

Weeks later after Rosie leaves the show, the slimeballs from PM will likely make an appearence and do their so-called "debunking", which is when we send DR Griffin to "debunk the debunking"!

I fully agree

DRG can come in after the dust settles and debunk the bunk. The publicity this is giving the movie is immeasurable. Now, with Mr. Jones officially on board, and Mr. Sheen and Ms. O'Donnell in the same corner, we have nothing to look forward to but more people asking questions, which is the whole point in my opinion. When mainstream America starts asking "WTF?" then we will see real progress.



I was listening to the LC guys on Alex Jones and I realized that I've been WAY too hard on them.
Their video has been watched by more people than any other Truth video. It's the one that got me into the movement. It's the one that converted my friends. I sit on my ass and try to influence people I know with passive aggressive techniques that don't really work - mostly I preach to the choir.

I have complete faith that they'll convert more than we can even imagine with the final cut.

The Conundrum

Sadly the appearance appears to have been cancelled.

This sudden turn is both sad and necessary, and the truthful reason that this is so, is the prevention of WWIII, while the forces of good can facilitate the opportunity to take back control of the US and major western governments back from the criminal Anglican-Episcopal-Crusader corporate-warlord-satan worshipping Al CIAda multinational-socialist fascist dictatorship alliance.

The world's true radical religious socialist 'axis of evil' (quite exactly like Hitlers Christian Fascists and Hirohitos Shinto Fascists were) is in fact a hideous Anglican-Zionist-Sunni/Wahabbi corporate nuclear tribal mafia warlordship (including The Great Whore of England) who's ultracriminal Act 2 that is planned to follow their elaboratly contrived "Daniel Chapter 8 Show" of 9/11 is in fact, the nuclear Battle of Armageddon (a 'terrorist' nuclear WWIII trigger attack on Megiddo in Israel) which will trigger a pile-on retaliation-deterrent nuclear attack by all the other major nuclear WMD-armed nations in an attempt to protect the worlds principle oil suppliers (Arab Mideast Nations) from retaliatory Isreali counterstrikes.

In order for the criminal, unconstitutional Episcopal Pentagon-CIA Mafia dictatorship to stage this Satan conjuring Nuclear War, their socialist dogma books dictate that the US leader must be a woman.

Pushing their hand now could simply force them to throw the Criminal Bush and Vice-Criminal Cheney over the side placing the current Speaker of the House in that position FOR THEIR ADVANTAGE!

Our route is clear, to preserve peace, humanity, liberty and justice and defeat and punish and forever outlaw and destroy the evi forces of Satanic organized corporate religious socialist fascism, we must ensure that a male is elected in 2008 , and keep our 9/11 powder dry until after the next election.

In the meantime we must use every means at our disposal , to end the criminal occupation of Iraq, suppress, confound, ignore and oppose satanic religious extremists of every and all descriptions (particularly Sunni Islamists and Zionists) , and confound the MOSSAD-MI6-CIA Mafia's attempts to use their Al CIAda monarchist Sunni Wahabbists to false-flag acts in the name of peaceful democratic Iranian and Lebanese Shiites as excuses for further criminal pre-WWIII skirmishes or a broader invasion of Iran..

Other than Ron Paul, there are also sane forces of loving freedom in Christ through the free choice of anointed individual Republican Liberty within the Democratic party and ABC as well so please do not be so quick to condemn all who appear to be concealing or opposing the exposure of all the truth AT THIS TIME.


Today, "Christians" stand at the head of Germany' -Principle keynote of the acceptance speech of Chancellor Adolph Hitler.


Indeed if we want to do something constructive, we must take advantage of our certain knowledge that hese hateful, greedy, self-adoring radical-religious-socialist Satanists are irrevocably bound to religiously following the letter of the corrupted dogma which they falsely worship. in place of true faith in The One Who Is Love Itself as we were taught.

They may be confounded simply by ensuring the criminals do not commit suicide as they are bound to do now.

They will certainly be more confounded and all the world and humanity itself better protected if we can prevail upon Rep Nancy Pelosi to resign her Speakership on "humanitarian grounds"

They will certainly also be better confounded should we prevail on Hillary Clinton to resign her quest for the Presidency on the same "humanitarian grounds", or failing that we use every means to ensure she is defeated.

While thus forestalled from executing their next act of indescribably inhuman, horrific ultracriminal ultraviolence and mass destruction we should then have ample time to round up all of these criminals , also placing the blame upon tribal mafia warlord tyranny, monarchs, and established corporate "religious" (including Marxist) socialisms. Global nucler disarmament should then follow, finally ending the reign of terror on earth that has resulted from the greedy hatred and corruptions of organized corporate dogmatism forever.

Nobody ever knows the future and it shall and could certanly never be found as a re-printed history

Today, "Christians" stand at the head of Germany' -Principle keynote of the acceptance speech of Chancellor Adolph Hitler.