Would make the most appropriate guest response to the Pop Mech episode, where they get to say their piece.

DRG in particular, given the release of his new book (among other great works) "Debunking 9/11 Debunking".. ;-)

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Thank you Rosie. Thank you Charlie Sheen. Thank you LTW, and you Dylan, you snooty little director you [razz]
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"this is true, this is not so clear, this is not true. DRG will not I presume be deciding what goes in, though. In fact to me it almost seems like getting him to agree to vet it for accuracy is a way of getting his implicit endorsement. it does not mean the film won't have an agenda, it just means it won't include any gross inaccuracies."

Maybe I'm an idiot, but what the fuck are you trying to say here? Can you start focusing on the positive, or go take a nap? I'd MUCH rather DRG or Steve Jones appear first, I think it would be better strategically, but the Loose Change guys are cool and don't come off as crazy at all. Like someone said, they're not very articulate, probably due to lack of stage-confidence, but they'll be fine. They handled themselves pretty well on DemocracyNow last year. But it's true we need experts on first and foremost.

big RT hug to you too Cass! say hi to DRG for me, and tell him I (use my real name) am sorry that we haven't been able to ship his order of "I ♥ Real Truther" t-shirts but we will as soon as we can. I know EVERYBODY who's ANYbody in the movement you know. And they all know ME!! Rosie, I will be a guest on your show. Call me!

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Yes, I agree that LC sucked in the debates. Yes, I want scientists on the view. But—BUT we are going to get this. We are getting Rodriguez. We are getting multiple shows! So what’s the big deal? I really don’t get it. LC is not doing this alone. If they were I might be complaining too. I’d probably be pissed. We’ve already had the LC popular mechanics debate and it was not much to write home about.

Rodriguez is an awesome speaker. I respect him as much as anyone in this movement. Give this man time on the air without censorship and we’ll see what happens.

I just don’t understand the negativity. Every month the momentum is growing. More people are speaking out. I choose to be positive and further support the truth movement with action.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

you make some good points but you really need to learn the concept of constructive criticism,haha. RT put it well when it said the hosts are suggesting we have experts on and the LC guys, regardless of what you think of them are not on the level of a Kevin Ryan or Steve Jones. 9/11 Mysteries will be a better movie when it explores all of the angles like LC almost did. right now its mainly about demolition and while i love it and its damn convincing i'll wait until the next 2 parts come out to make that judgement. as far as "spokespeople" for 9/11 go, we shouldnt have any and to go back to RT's point we should have the best guests for each situation. it was implied that this discussion would be mostly about WTC7 and the towers. no offense Dylan but you guys should really consider lobbying the ABC people to have on Ryan or Jones with you or instead of you if they wont allow that. i appreciate the work you've done and find myself defending you guys around here a lot. do the right thing here.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Hey GIR, i think we should clarify why you say "fictional movie". Some people may not know that the LC guys have said that their original intention was to make a fictional movie about 9/11 being an inside job and then decided that it really WAS an inside job. Kind of like if the Blair Witch Project people had decided that maybe there was something to the Blair Witch stories and made their faux documentary to instead be a real documentary. Now anyone who saw BWP knows that in every respect it was made to look and appear to be a real documentary.

Knowing that BWP was fresh in people's minds as a cutting edge film precisely because it tested the boundaries between fiction and (pseudo) fact, one can imagine that the makers of Loose Change might have been thinking along those same lines--being aware of 9/11 conspiracy theories but perhaps not at first convinced by them, this may have seemed like a cool idea to them, who knows.

Now for some forbidden thoughts, and bear in mind this is speculation and I don't purport to be able to prove any of this or to even suggest it as anything more than a thought exercise. Suppose the perps, or someone sympathetic to the perps, sat down after 9/11 to think about how to deal with the fact that there are always goibng to be conspiracy theorists who will try to make the case for 9/11 having been something other than what the official account claimed. They would naturally be concerned that someone out there might start putting together evidence in a convincing manner and that the end result might, with the help of the internet, become quite popular. What to do in this case? Well, you can wait until it comes out and hope you can convincingly debunk the truth, or you can make your own such film and build-in some easily debunkable assertions.

Enter, um, Spare Change. Spare Change cobbles together some of the more popular conspiracy theories such as those highlighted in In Plane Site, Painful Deceptions, and Thierry Meyssan's book The Big Lie. These have some credibility within the nascent society of skeptics but have not become super popular. That's good, but eventually these films will get better, people will weed out the questionable stuff, etc. With the first Spare Change out, they start getting feedback. Oh, no one buys the pod theory any more, and suspect that the people pushing it are probably trying to discredit the skeptics. Spare Change must remove the pod theory. As the film is discussed by a group of people that still is few in numbers, the product is refined, again with the goal being something that includes enough dubious information to be credibly debunked, but not such bad information like pods that will prevent it from being taken seriously enough to achieve its goal of becoming the most talked about and celebrated "truth film". Because the internet is the main vehicle for conspiracy types these days, and young people are the most avid users of it, the film must have a groovy sound track and ideally be made by kids so that kids will feel a connection to it. So far so good.

Witha few people busy creating buzz on the internet as any marketing team knows how to do well, and a few carefully selected mainstream tv news stories to fuel its popularity (with people thinking-hey, In Plane Site and Painful Deceptions never got on TV!) the stage is set to cement the product in people's minds as THE symbol of 9/11 truth. Alfred Jones, promoter of Illuminati Satanist theories is on board and promotes it heavily including corodinating a joint demonstration (publicity stunt) for the 5th anniversary, which coincides with the release of a number of anti-Truth works (the 4 that are debunked in DRG's book). Now they're doing pretty well, but the "cleverly" titled Screw Spare Change has appeared on the scene, and does fairly well convincing a bunch of people that, because of the flaws in Spare Change, there is nothing to the claims of 9/11 skeptics. The response? Well, we left some errors in to stimulate discussion. Hmm. You left errors in? OK...

But don't worry, because now that (as we all knew) interest and awareness of 9/11 skeptics' claims are gaining currency in the mainstream, we need to be ready for Spare Change to go national while STILL fulfilling its mission of co-opting most of the attention being paid to the issue. Get ready--it's coming--the new and improved Spare Change Final Cut, which is going to be huge! Heck, we even line up a rich guy to promote it, which gives it a ton of publicity. Problem is this guy says outright that he thinks it's BS--I mean, don't want people to think there is any good reason to push a 9/11 truth film (that was originally meant as fiction anyway.) Uh oh, now the problem is that 9/11 skeptics are very confused and suspicious about the involvement of this rich guy (Mark Dominican). Better change the plan and drop him. We got the publicity after all, now his involvement is a liability because it's making people question just how "truthy" Spare Change is! In the end we want a limited release, and we want it to be relatively easy for people who don't want to accept its conclusion to do exactly that. So release the final version, now vetted for accuracy but more importantly for credibility within the skeptic community and continue the process of controlling the truth movement by burdening it with the weight of an inherently flawed product, one that reinforces stereotypes and that will receive most if not all of the attention of the mainstream media.

Ta-daaa! Now when people are seen doing anything related to 9/11 Truth in public, many will walk by thinking "oh dear, there's another brainwashed Spare Changer. i guess some people are just really taken by all these conspiracy movies like V for Vendetta and Spare Change, and Blair Witch. some people watch so many movies they can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. this stuff has been debunked a million times, and honestly, if this stuff was true then why has it never been exposed in a real newspaper? why is it that it only gets out in a documentary made by a bunch of kids? why hasn't anyone written any books about it? sheesh. poor dumb crazy guy. what a sucker, making those Spare Change kids rich while they laugh at him being so gullible."

Well it sounds crazy to us of course, but it makes PERFECT sense to people inhabiting the OCT alternative reality. We will rant and scream all we want but we will have let ourselves be defined by.... who exactly? These three kids who made Spare Change and guided it to the forefront of the truth movement? Or by someone else? By someone whose interest may be in controlling what would otherwise be a truly unstoppable force? By giving the would be wielders of that unstoppable force an apparent bargain--progress that absolves them of any responsibility to actually take to the streets, that keeps them focused on a limited view just in time for the season of heavy political discussion that precedes an election. Look, we're talking serious politics here--take you Spare Change conspiracy crap and go listen to that loumouth Alfred Jones interview John Paul, that kookie right wing libertarian kooky kook kook. Vetted by who? David May Griffin? Never heard of the guy. Oh he WAS going to be onthe view but got cancelled? Probably because they found out he was a kook. Like you. Now go away.

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