Washington Post: Top Scientists Cast Doubt on Kennedy Bullet Analysis

This is related to 9/11 because the JFK assassination is another case where the government whitewashed what really happened. Personally, I know almost nothing about the JFK assassination and take no position about who did it (although the new revelations from Hunt's son are very interesting).

But the fact that this story -- challenging a government whitewash -- is in the Washington Post makes it noteworthy. The more government lies are revealed, the more people will be open to questioning whether the government's version of 9/11, also, is not a lie.

Scientists Cast Doubt on Kennedy Bullet Analysis
Multiple Shooters Possible, Study Says

By John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 17, 2007; Page A03

In a collision of 21st-century science and decades-old conspiracy theories, a research team that includes a former top FBI scientist is challenging the bullet analysis used by the government to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald alone shot the two bullets that struck and killed President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

The "evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," concludes a new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.

The researchers' re-analysis involved new statistical calculations and a modern chemical analysis of bullets from the same batch Oswald is purported to have used. They reached no conclusion about whether more than one gunman was involved, but urged that authorities conduct a new and complete forensic re-analysis of the five bullet fragments left from the assassination in Dallas.

"Given the significance and impact of the JFK assassination, it is scientifically desirable for the evidentiary fragments to be re-analyzed," the researchers said.

Tobin was the FBI lab's chief metallurgy expert for more than two decades. He analyzed metal evidence in major cases that included the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the 1996 explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island.

After retiring, he attracted national attention by questioning the FBI science used in prosecutions for decades to match bullets to crime suspects through their lead content. The questions he and others raised prompted a National Academy of Sciences review that in 2003 concluded that the FBI's bullet lead analysis was flawed. The FBI agreed and generally ended the use of that type of analysis.

Using new guidelines set forth by the National Academy of Sciences for proper bullet analysis, Tobin and his colleagues at Texas A&M re-analyzed the bullet evidence provided to the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations to support the conclusion that only one shooter, Oswald, fired the shots that killed Kennedy.

Now-deceased University of California at Irvine chemist Vincent P. Guinn. told the committee that he used bullet lead analysis to conclude that the five bullet fragments recovered from the Kennedy assassination scene came from just two bullets, which were traced to the same batch of bullets Oswald owned. Guinn's conclusions were consistent with the 1960s Warren Commission Report that found Oswald had acted alone. The House assassinations committee, however, concluded that Oswald probably was part of a conspiracy and that it was possible a second shooter fired one shot that missed the president.

Tobin, Spiegelman and James said they bought the same brand and lot of bullets used by Oswald and analyzed their lead using the new standards. The bullets from that batch are still on the market as collectors' items.

They found that the scientific and statistical assumptions Guinn used -- and the government accepted at the time -- to conclude that the fragments came from just two bullets fired from Oswald's gun were wrong.

"This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets," the researchers said. "If the assassination fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely," the researchers said. If the five fragments came from three or more bullets, that would mean a second gunman's bullet would have had to strike the president, the researchers explained.

come on GW, you can at least

come on GW, you can at least admit that Oswald didnt do it right? :-) pretty surprising this is in the Washington Post though. sadly the story will likely die with no action from anyone in a position to do something about it and no follow up from the media.

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I assume there were powerful people behind the assassination, Oswald was a patsy, multiple gunmen, etc. I just haven't spent even 2 hours in my whole lifetime looking at any evidence about this (not even the new Hunt tape), so I am totally unqualified to render any opinion.

haha, im just messing with

haha, im just messing with you man, i dont take you for a fool. though its interesting to note that The Guardian(im pretty sure, it might have been another mainstream Brit paper) recently blew huge holes in the RFK killing as well. i hope this doesnt mean we have to wait 30 years for some cold hard 9/11 facts in our mainstream media.......

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you dont really believe the

you dont really believe the mafia and Cuba did it do you? Cuba was the "Iraq" of the day meaning it was to be implied that they did it and the mafia were patsies, possibly the shooters but nothing more than patsies(and patsy killers). the plot was not born in the mafia. same with RFK, plenty of evidence shows it was a rogue CIA bay of pigs group that killed him.

Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?

In 1968, Robert Kennedy seemed likely to follow his brother, John, into the White House. Then, on June 6, he was assassinated - apparently by a lone gunman. But Shane O'Sullivan says he has evidence implicating three CIA agents in the murder

Morales was a legendary figure in CIA covert operations. According to close associate Tom Clines, if you saw Morales walking down the street in a Latin American capital, you knew a coup was about to happen. When the subject of the Kennedys came up in a late-night session with friends in 1973, Morales launched into a tirade that finished: "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard." From this line grew my odyssey into the spook world of the 60s and the secrets behind the death of Bobby Kennedy.

We move to Washington to meet Wayne Smith, a state department official for 25 years who knew Morales well at the US embassy in Havana in 1959-60. When we show him the video in the ballroom, his response is instant: "That's him, that's Morales." He remembers Morales at a cocktail party in Buenos Aires in 1975, saying Kennedy got what was coming to him. Is there a benign explanation for his presence? For Kennedy's security, maybe? Smith laughs. Morales is the last person you would want to protect Bobby Kennedy, he says. He hated the Kennedys, blaming their lack of air support for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

Morales died of a heart attack in 1978, weeks before he was to be called before the HSCA. Joannides died in 1990. Campbell may still be out there somewhere, in his early 80s. Given the positive identifications we have gathered on these three, the CIA and the Los Angeles Police Department need to explain what they were doing there. Lopez believes the CIA should call in and interview everybody who knew them, disclose whether they were on a CIA operation and, if not, why they were there that night.


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GW, it's worth spending some

GW, it's worth spending some time looking into the similarities, as there are very many.

It is also surely true that our failure as a nation to get to the bottom of the JFK assassination has led straight to 9/11.

Here is a link with a very short piece that touches on some of the major similarities: http://americanbuddhist.net/node/5718

Jim Marr's book is a good place to look next.

As for Hunt's recent confession--did you notice that the mainstream media did not even cover it (to my knowledge)? It's a huge piece of news, especially as he names names and it is a death-bed (or close) confession.

What the-powers-that-be are expecting is that 9/11 will go the way of JFK. Forty years later, most people do not have any idea what happened.

Hunt's confession was huge

Hunt's confession was huge news, even if it was disinfo to cover his own(and his teams) ass. it speaks volumes about our media. Hunt threw LBJ under the bus and if the media was to report that LBJ was involved in something like the JFK killing, even in just an oversight role the whole narrative would be shattered. it would possibly lead to exposing the whole crime.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Hunt's confession was targeted at the conspiracy crowd

for a reason--to throw them off the true scent. that's why no mainstream news sources picked it up, because it would lead non-conspiracy folks to ask questions they would never have thought to ask....


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Anyone who thinks

9/11 is a slamdunk evidence-wise that it was an inside job, but doesn't know much about the JFK assassination should really spend a few days doing the research. The JFK assassination contains abundantly MORE clear evidence that it was an inside conspiracy. Its simply amazing. Much the same holds true in the physical evidence for the RFK assissination. Understanding the history surrounding these events is key to understanding why they occur. Just like 9/11, if you know the history and the intent, the reasons then become blindingly obvious - only difference today is the technology is better.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

oops, we lost the bullet fragments!

they must be with the moon landing films we lost. and the 2.3 trillion dollars worth of Pentagon appropriations that taxpayers are still being billed for. Yep, just when we thought we were onto something, some pesky incompetence is bound to pop up!


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Don't forget the

Don't forget the bullet-ridden front door at Waco and Kennedy's brain. Nothing to see in the significance of all these disappearances, move along. Incompetence rules!

(According to John Judge, by contrast, there are 27 one-acre underground storage facilities in Maryland that house secret military files dating back to WWII.)

good find, GW

At the very least, something like this can be used to demonstrate to the Naivety Crowd that sometimes science does not reach a consensus (and -- shock -- sometimes this happens in an important investigation).

The JFK assassination is full of physical evidence disputes such as this, and definitely parallels 9/11. The problem is that the same 10-20% of Americans who believe the Warren Commission in spite of its ignorance of the physical evidence will do the same thing with 9/11. I'm not sure what to do about those people. I guess, in a way, they are irrelevant as long as the media are owned by the globalists.

If you want to know about JFK

1. Get the Zapruder film DVD (restored from the original film)

2. Oliver Stone's JFK destroys the single bullet theory.

3. See the autopsy photos (grisly) and drawings of the medical examiner in Dallas that day. They clearly show a wound that entered the front of his head and exited the back with a grapefruit sized hole.

4. See this film for a lot of potentially relevant evidence:

JFK II - the Bush Connection

5. Joan Mellen has excellent investigations into the murder.

6. Try this article:
The Kennedy Assasination: The Nixon-Bush Connection

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

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Is this another bait and switch...

Is this another bait and switch, take their attention off the ball, dilute the discourse sort of thing? Every few days another Anna Nicoie Smith story rolls out in a bread and circus sort of way to distract the hoi polloi. I always edge away from the Kennedy assassination parallel due to the distraction factor. Kennedy's assassination is to 9/11 as the Great Salt Lake is to the Pacific Ocean. The Washington Post should be read with a raised eyebrow in any case.

GW- you do a great job, keep it up!

Was more than one gunman

Was more than one gunman involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy? * 13180 responses

73% No


"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Pieces together

Being a JFK enthusiast, there’s always the compelling Grassy Knoll confession
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1zcEelhzzUg&mode=related&search= and
contributions via Wim Dankbaar at http://jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm
(as noted in previous post http://911blogger.com/node/7681).

Do you think Lee Harvey

Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?
No 80%
Yes 11%
I'm not sure 9%
Total Votes: 40,512

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA