Luke and We Are Change confront David Rockefeller

Luke and We Are Change confront David Rockefeller:

http://blip.tv/file/246303

Caught this 7pm CT just after the post, wearechange.org seems to have gone down.

now available on

now available on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNeFU6MnGU

Great Job Guys...

Voted and commented on YouTube...

Was great to also see "Cosmos" make a guest appearance !!!

FANTASTIC :-))

I'm pretty sure...

It's 'Cosmo' and not 'Cosmos'

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

That was awesome!

I bet that old man shat his diaper

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

I know we're taught to respect our elders, but this man is just

evil incarnate! I'm surprised you were able to get that close to him. Bring a priest with you next time to do an exorcism.

Rockefeller crib

should live on 146 66th instead of 65th

"One for 666"
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Rockefeller Plateau.- height 666

in the West-Antarktis between Marie Byrd Land and Edward VII Land you can find the Rockefeller Plateau.

Height ? 666
;-)


"... a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." (mp3)
Albert Einstein

I don't know guys...

Over the years I must have missed all the evidence against David Rockafellar? What exactly are they accusing him of...relative to 9/11?

I hate to rain on the parade here but I just don't see how this is 'awesome' at all. I'm not trying to be a dick or be mean or abusive. Simply stating my opinion and I will explain why I feel this way.

First, at one point Luke comments how the security guys are creepy. How creepy would it be to have a few people with video cameras outside your home waiting for you to come out? Consider this...the man has a family there! If it happened to anyone of us it would be an invasion of our privacy or an attack on our civil liberties.

So did David R. help or plan the 9/11 attacks? I will research this but I find it hard to believe that I've not heard anything other then Aaron Russo's claims about foreknowledge and his invitation to be part of the elite or something. I've been around 9/11 Truth since 2002....so I don't think I could have missed anything very damning against David Rock.

Now I agree with aggressive tactics when confronting people who we know have answers to questions about the attacks of 9/11/2001. But I am SURE, as an American, I can not support going to the man's house where his family and possibly children sleep and play...calling him scum, trash, and claiming he had a hand in the events of 9/11...

I'm sure it's legal but is it right? Is it safe? Is it effective? Is it American? I don't think so. And I haven't even mentioned how, IMO, you guys came off more like you just disagree with his apparent One World Government philosophy, which he is 100% entitled to in the USA, rather then he is genuinely guilty of any crimes related to 9/11.

Anyway, that is my opinion guys.

But hey, you are out there right? If I was judging only by the initiative you would have an A+ in my book. I Just listened to Truth Revolution Radio May 11 edition and it was awesome. I believe these two guys co-hosted it actually.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

OMG why are you defending NWO scum???

Here's one of the scumbag's quotes...

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years....It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller - Bilderberg Meeting - June 1991 - Baden, Germany
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/15/224945.shtml

Here's another...

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

David Rockefeller, page 405 of his memoirs published by Random House, 2002

PROOF OF CONSPIRACY: WE HAVE A CONFESSION
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/stang072106.shtml

You wrote: "I am SURE, as an American, I can not support going to the man's house where his family and possibly children sleep and play...calling him scum, trash, and claiming he had a hand in the events of 9/11... I'm sure it's legal but is it right? Is it safe? Is it effective? Is it American?"

You bet your ass it's American. Research the Stamp Act of 1765 if you think otherwise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765

Also see...

Biographical Information On The Sixteen Individuals Cited By The San Diego Citizens Grand Jury As Deserving Further Investigation For The Charge Of 'Conspiracy To Commit Mass Murder'
http://stj911.org/paul/SDGJ_Bios.html

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Thank you, Stallion. Your

Thank you, Stallion. Your post is amazing and it is greatly appreciated.

How anyone can rate this blog anything less than a ten is beyond me. That quote from his book is probably the most telling quote when it comes to anything related to the "new world order" and there are many very telling quotes from numerous people on the subject of a new world order.

I am the type of person who does have a temper, but I would never advocate something like this...unless it is in a situation like the one in the video. I am a very peaceful person. I do not like to fight, yell or even call someone a name or cuss at them.

David Rockefeller is one of the most powerful men in the world and he has admitted that he is an architect of a new world order. He takes pride in this. The time has come for war. It is time to stop coddling these subjects. Urban warfare and Martial Law are right around the corner. Concentration camps for "defenders of the Constitution" are upon us. It is time to take off the gloves.

This video is nothing compared to what is coming, not just for the "elite", but for us, as the government refers to, as "terrorists" because we are "defenders of the Constitution". I hope everyone knows what I'm talking about. If not, go pick up an FBI terrorist pamphlet or visit the Department of Homeland Security website and look up terrorists. You will find "Christians", "defenders of the Constitution" and "animal rights activists" on the list of terrorists. That should be enough to wake up anyone in this world, but sadly that's not the case.

I made up my mind a few nights ago to go to my local police department and turn myself in as a terrorist, but something stopped me right before I started to get dressed to go up there. I planned out what to say, how to say it and how to play "ignorant" about it. I was going to tell them that I had just found out, from reading the Department of Homeland Security website and the FBI's terrorist pamphlet, that I was a terrorist for a couple of different reasons and that, as a law-abiding citizen, I had to turn myself in as soon as possible. I wonder what would happen if we all did that.

Thank YOU, Jason

And just remember;

"One man's terrorist is another man's patriot." The ultimate conclusion must be left to the individual.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall96/sons.html

Another Rockefeller quote...

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order"
David Rockefeller speaking at the UN, Sept. 14, 1994
http://www.newswithviews.com/BeritKjos/kjos60.htm

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Ah yes, another one of my

Ah yes, another one of my favorite quotes. Thanks, again.

I have a few pages full of quotes saved on various subjects such as these. If you know of any sites that list related quotes, feel free to post them. I've went through as many sites as I could find, but I'm sure there are many more out there that I have missed.

Quotes from Globalists and International Leaders

http://contenderministries.org/UN/globalismquotes.php
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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

So his political views...

make him scum?

Is this not the USA? The country where your political views are not held against you?

The fact is that you all are calling him scum and trash. You then talk like you know he's guilty of crimes relating to 911.

I don't know much about the man, but a few quotes showing that he supports a world government is hardly enough for me to join your party against David Rockafellar.

I'm not saying I support him...just saying that the reasons you guys give boild down to a disagreement in political philosopohy.

As an American, I can not assasinate his character because he supports a one world government. That is his beleif and he's entitled to it is he not?

If you have something else...like evidence of the accusations that he was invovled with the attacks on 9/11.....then please provide the facts.

I mean you guys are leveling heavy shit against this guy and I just haven't seen the facts to back it up. You have taken it to the extreme of going to the man's place of living.

No matter what kind of government the man thinks is best for himself or the world...they went to his home and waited for him so they could ambush him and yell things like "CFR SCUM" and "TRASH!" and throw claims that he was invovled in the 9i/11 attacks.

Just seems lame to me. That is not to say I agree with David Rockafeller .

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Eugenics and Treason

are NOT political.

Stop defending this scumbag thats going to kill you and your family.
9/11 is only a SMALL part of a bigger EVIL. No offense but I wish you, and the others here that live in a 9/11 bubble, would WAKE THE FUCK UP

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Logic and Reason

Make arguments based on logic and reason not emotional rants and light vs. evil platitudes.

"No offense but I wish you, and the others here that live in a 9/11 bubble, would WAKE THE FUCK UP "

Is that an invitation? Is this how you invite people into 9/11?

If so then you and Luke are on the same track. You should get a camera, go to the nearest city street and tell people...

"No offense, but you need to WAKE THE FUCK UP about 9/11"

I'm not defending the man. I'm defending his right to hold political beliefs that don't jive with mine or yours. There is no crime.

I am judging the acatoins of the Truth Squad here. The tone on this thread is inherantly anti-American, if you ask me.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

you are pretending that this

you are pretending that this is a man with no power who is simply spouting his political beliefs. as if he has no real connections to the people and institutions that set our policies. if you call this anti-american one more time im gonna to fucking lose it.seriously, please stop, that is about the cheapest fucking shot ive ever heard. it really is shameless. you want anti-american? its Rockefeller. and people who tell us to stop questioning scum like him. but yeah, lets just send him an e-mail and hope he gets back to us. lets NOT question people like this and just play nice.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

...

"Is that an invitation?"
Yes, to you

"Is this how you invite people into 9/11?"
No, its how I invite 9/11-Only-Missing-the-bigger-picture-yet-think-they-are-so-informed-defenders-of-globalist-scumbag-traitors to wake the fuck up.

an effort I am growing quite tired of. soon we will have to direct our energies to survival in the fight, and we will no longer be able to continue trying to warn the 9/11-only crowd of the bigger picture. take heed, or don't.

good luck

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seriously, that

seriously, that "anti-american" low blow is probably going to come back to bite you in the ass at some point. no offense but what a stupid comment to make.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

If you fell insulted or hurt...

If you fell insulted or hurt...becaues my belief that it's un-american to hound a man with name calling and other insults based on his political philosophy.....then I can't help you.

You guys are walking a slippery slope. Would you come to my house and houne me because I

"HAVEN"T WAKEN THE FUCK UP" as one poster so warmly put it?

Where does it stop?

Again, if you are going to go to the man's house you better have some thunder not just name calling based on his political philosophy.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

i guess Rockefeller has to

i guess Rockefeller has to actually pull some sort of trigger or personally drop bombs huh? personal connections, business connections and influence mean absolutely NOTHING right? you are nobody, and as such nobody will be coming to your house to "hound you". get it? how hard is this to understand?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Chris, don't bother...

JPass has set up the straw man premise that Rockefeller's views and beliefs are "political", he hasnt or wont move off that fake stance so he can keep defending DR's right to "political views" and "free speech". Meanwhile what DR has spouted, worked towards, and continues to spout is criminal and treasonous against this republic, and JPass either knows it, and isnt worth our time, or he truly cant see the difference and while faced with the evidence, refuses to look at it. I dont know which is worse but we dont have the time to waste trying to educate everyone. Imho anway.

cheers

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Defenders of the constitution?

Give me a break guys. You are waiting for the man outside his own home. Unless you got fucking proof of a crime...my AMERICAN, PATRIOTIC RESPONSE IS:

"HOW DARE YOU COME TO MY GODDAMN HOUSE IN FRONT OF MY FAMILY AND THROW YOUR SHIT
HOW DARE YOU!"

Now if you have proof of some sort of wrong doing then bring it to the table. All I hear is that you guys are agianst globalization and he is for it. A difference of polictical philosophy.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

not stamps we are dealing with

Look, I'm not defending Rockafellar. I'm simply saying that you guys have nothing but quotes that show he supports a one world centralized government and economic system.

Lots of people support this. To stand outside his home and call him scum because he supports a politcial idealogy that is not in tune with your own is anti-American, if you asked me.

You'd get a kick in the groin if you tried that shit in my town. Then you can call the cops and i will explain that I was eating breakfast with my daughter and 2 grand babies when I noticed 2 or 3 young men with hoods outside my window waiting for me. When I went outside they approached me calling me scum and claiming I had something to do with the attacks of 9/11.

Not knowing who the guy is and feeling slightly threatened I crushed his testicles and neutralized the situation. Is there a problem officer?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

yes, lots of people support

yes, lots of people support this but few with so much REAL power as Rockefellar. if i really have to explain HOW this man has power than i think you are in the wrong line of activism. hes not some talking head on Fox, he is deeply connected in all the right ways. stop defending a powerful scumbag like this. you should know what it looks like.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Here's why...

... David Rockefeller is believed to be a member of a 50-strong private equity group that was responsible for sponsoring the war games that turned into the attacks. The group also includes (or is thought to include) the Bushes, the Clintons, Giuliani, George Soros, Frank McKenna, among others.

While Silverstein was the leaseholder, the mortgage belonged to the Teachers' Pension Fund, chaired by John ___________ (forget his name, sorry), who sits on the board of JP Morgan with David Rockefeller.

This, I believe, is why the San Diego Citizen's Jury is seeking indictment and is what they were referring to in the confrontation.

...

"... David Rockefeller is believed to be a member of a 50-strong private equity group that was responsible for sponsoring the war games that turned into the attacks. The group also includes (or is thought to include) the Bushes, the Clintons, Giuliani, George Soros, Frank McKenna, among others."

sources?

sponsoring the war games?

?? yes, source please. and preferably NOT Alex Jones...

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Indictment?

Indictment would be suggesting they have evidence that he participated in a crime. The fact that he sits on the board of an investment group that has other rich powrful people means nothing.

He was the chairmen of the Teachers' Pension Fund....so? Is that a crime?

I doubt this is the 'evidence' that would lead to an indictment. I can understand people may have some questions for him.

Look yall!

I'm NOT saying I agree with this guy nor am I defending his political motiviations. I'm simply saying that if you are going to go to a man's home, where his children and grand babies eat and play...you better fucking bring some thunder. You better have something other then...

"YOU ARE SCUM!!" "YOU ARE TRASH"

It comes of rediculously childish and un-founded.

So far you have brought nothing but platitudes and name calling and provided a few quotes that show the man supports a one world government.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

please jpass, do some

please jpass, do some research on the man before you defend him. im not trying to be mean but seriously, confronting this man outside of his home is nothing compared to the poilicies of death that hes pushed throughout his life. if the media was to ever do its job people like him would be either in prison or assassinated by angry citizens(im NOT advocating that, thats just the reality). it really is bigger than 9/11 and even if Mr. Rockefeller didnt know in advance and had no hand in it(he likely didnt) he had no problem with it and is smart enough to know the score. do some research on the man, please stop defending him. and did you REALLY just ask if its American? do you know anything about the man? ask HIM about America. im sorry jpass but that is a fucking laughable statement and i hope you said it with your tounge firmly planted in your cheek.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

What a stroke of luck...

...to show up at his home and the hunchback munchkin comes out of his house!

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Yes they were

I went to the HS that is directly across the street from DR's for 4 years and we rarely saw him come out, or anyone else for that matter.

He did keep banker's hours in those days, so the best times to catch him are probably right before 9:00 AM and then late afternoon/evening.

Ok, a test then....

If the issue is cut and dry and this guy supports the 'policies of death' and is the devil's child in human flesh as the comments here suggest....

Name me the one most evil, and anti-life things the man has done?

Please keep it brief as I am going to investigate this one important event/descision/policy that this man has done that is 'a policy of death' or 'evil'.

I'm not saying I agree with him nor am I defending him. I'm defending his right to political opinions, whether he is powerful or not. My main quip is with the in-effective and almost self-defeating way in which you guys are engaging this supposed maniac of evil who, by many accounts, just might be Satan's son himself.

Why do I feel like I'm arguing about religeous beliefs?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Why do you feel like you are arguing about religious beliefs?

Because essentially you are. There's been a noticeable uptick in 911bloggerites who believe in the NWO/Satanists-R-Us/"They want to chip us all" mumbo-jumbo being pushed by people like Alex Jones and the-asshole-formerly-known-as John Conner. It's very irritating, particularly when they pig-pile on someone.

To all-y'all who are worried that the real problem is people worshipping a giant owl: Go read some Peter Dale Scott on Deep Politics and give your adrenal glands a rest.

What about Aaron Russo's testimony?

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/281006_rockefeller_911.html

I know it's about Nicholas, not David, Rockefeller, but...

MmmHmm.

Here's my take on 9/11 in a nutshell: several overlapping groups of players arranged a special day when a number of things could be taken care of -- ranging from some asbestos remediation at the WTC (sic) to starting a huge war in the Middle East which might just possibly obviate the necessity for Israel to engage in that pesky peace process with the people they stole a country from. Not only was information and planning compartmentalized, aim and motivation may also have been a mosaic, not a grand, unified blueprint.

So it sounds like Nicholas Rockefeller spilled the beans regarding the fact that this special day was coming. Does that mean he is a minion of Satan?

Check out this other part from that interview:
"Rockefeller also told Russo that the elite families created and financed the women's lib movement so they could tax another half of the population and so that the children would be trained by them in government schools rather than in the context of the family unit."

I could spend a whole day shredding this patent bullshit (like, before the sixties, all kids were homeschooled? Kids didn't go to public school before Women's Lib came along?) but for now I will just suggest that the Rockefellers talk a good game, but it looks to me like they have an over-inflated sense of their own importance in creating culture and history, and the kind of fear and loathing that is expressed here just encourages them.

casseia have you seen this interview with Norman Dodd?

The Hidden Agenda For World Government
49 min 52 sec

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7529890059122668728

Background and transcript:
http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/dodd/interview.htm

If you haven't seen it, check it out if you have the time. It's sort of related to your post.

Synopsis...

Edward Griffin talks with 83 year old Norman Dodd in a rare interview from the early 1980s that exposes infiltration of banking and the US's public education system by large corporations that are merging the USA into a world government... or a "New World Order".

In 1954 Mr. Dodd served as an investigator for Republican Congressman B. Carroll Reece's Special Committee on Tax Exempt Foundations (commonly known as the Reece Committee).

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Hey -- tried watching it

but it crapped out on me twice, so I read the transcript. Here's what I got: the big non-profit foundations are attempting to shift the thinking of the American public in the direction of collectivism, so that we and the Soviet Union can be merged under a single global authority. (In passing, he mentions their conclusion that war is the best way to change a society, which certainly seems true.) Anyway, I just don't see it -- first of all, for the obvious reason that "collectivism" as embodied in the Soviet Union failed. As a product of the elitist educational system, I don't remember ever being exposed to pro-collectivist propaganda, and as a watcher of prodigious amounts of PBS children's programming (now THAT would be the place to get the biggest bang for your Foundation's society-shaping buck) I just don't see it there, either.

I think that what I am suggesting is akin to a process of deconstruction. We have a very strong human tendency to view things in binary terms (good/bad; gov is just what is seen/gov is a secret cabal; visible historical forces shape society/conspiracies shape society) when in actuality, we need to start looking at the world as a complex of overlapping, shifting terms.

Do you realize that David Ray Griffin makes an interesting case for world government in his Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11 book? Do you think he's working for the NWO?

there is an OBVIOUS need for world government in some form

Unless of course you are a radical libertarian who thinks that people should be free to dump toxic chemicals in the water others drink and the air they breathe. The environment can only be protected on a global scale, so there you have a need for global government of some kind. Mediation of disputes, prevention of war--if there are no global forums for conflict resolution how are people supposed to be protected from illegal aggression such as what we are subjecting the Afghan and Iraqi people to? There is clearly a cult here that wants everyone to accept their view that 9/11 was a secret project of the Council on Foreign Relations and others like them who are all members of some secret thing called the New World Order (interestingly the same name as an alliance of wrestlers in the old WWF). Sure the CFR and that whole crowd are the WRONG KIND of globalists, but that doesn't mean all globalist thinking is bad--some of it is clearly desperately needed! There will be no blanket accusations in any real truth movement. "The globalists did it" is as wrongheaded a thing to say as "The Jews did it". Interesting too how some people keep talking about Larry Silverstein like he was "just" the lease holder. I think that says a lot about the obsession with CFR types--it seems to take precedence over people with much more direct links to the events of that day.

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So are you saying you support the CFR and it's policy of global domination and total world enxlavement via the matrix control grid scenario?

Just one tiny inkling of world government = total US enslavement and 100% loss of US Sovernty. PERIOD.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

please read up on history.

please read up on history. thats all im going to say. this is about more than 9/11 and this man is not innocent.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Show "Take the test chris" by jpass

its a false test

but typical of your style. you've always served a purpose here havent you jpass? still got 2 names? anyway, i already told you, a little bit of basic research will show you this mans connections, both personal and business and will paint a pretty clear picture of his and his families influence. or can you not make those historical connections? or they really just dont matter right? i would disagree and history would back me up. i never called him or compared him to hitler but for you to pretend like i did isnt very surprising. lazy but not surprising. would i claim that he was involved in 9/11? i already said no, but by all means, keep playing your part. makes ya feel important huh?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Are you questioning my 9/11 Truth Integrity?

How very authoritarian of you Chris!

I met another guy who, because I disagreed with his conclusions on another topic, called into question my 9/11 Truth integrity.

I love it....

You are either with Chris in his epic battle against evil and the NWO or you are involved in some sort of 'purpose' here.

I am trying to encourage you guys to better develop your argument and you end up seeing it as an attack on your beliefs.

I say "provide evidence" you say "If you can't see it already...then you are in the wrong line of activism"

WTF? RED MUTHER FUCKIN FLAGS PEOPLE...RED FUCKIN FLAGS!

I get the same response when asking my indentical twin brother about his beliefs in Jesus and the bible.

Then you have the audacity to fucking question my patriotism and my dedication to the 9/11 Truth movement with your paranoid comments about me serving a purpose or some shit.

Yea, go look at my TWO screen names dood.

You got it sooooo figured out.

You busted me!!!!

I'm done....

outed..

exposed..

hahahahah

I have one other name that I posted a few messages with because this screen name was VERY VERY slow at one time. I have not touched that screen name for weeks. I can't even remember what it was. \

Go find it man. If you think I'm using the two names in some pro-NWO crusade then go fuckin look at all my posts

What exactly do you think Chris? What purpose do you think I'm serving? Do you think I'm working for the master of Hedes himself? Do you think that my blood might actually be satanic? I mean shit man...stop being a pussy and come out and say it.

Do you think I'm invovled in a conspiracy to stop you from conducting your war on the new world order? What purpose are you suggesting that I'm serving?

FOOL! I'm encouraging you to develop your argument and I'm encouraging Luke to consider better tactics then he's displayed above. I did the same thing when Luke confronted Brezinski and ran out of the place.

But instead you see me attacking YOU personally and then have the god damn nerve to question whether I'm a 'real truther' and to suggest that I'm part of some effort working against 9/11 Truth.

At least that is what it seems with your paranoid comments about me 'always serving a purpose' as if I'm involved in some organized conspiracy to hide your truth.

Did you ever consider that maybe....

YOU JUST NOTICE ME WHEN I DISAGREE WITH YOU? WOW WHAT A MIND JOB RIGHT? Maybe you don't even notice me when I agree with you....and thus...you have concluded that I am involved in some sort of 'purpose' here at 9/11 Blogger that is contrary to what your purpose is.

Another 'real truther' questioned my motives and whether I was a 'real truther' or not. Jon Gold and I disagree on the merits of the "omar saiid sheik' angle and he felt the need, as you did here, to call into question my dedication to 9/11 Truth.

I said it then and I say it now:

HOW DARE YOU!

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

i think your an annoying

i think your an annoying douchebag who likes to argue and tell people how wrong they are. thats the purpose you serve. your really not that important. oh, and nice touch on this:"What exactly do you think Chris? What purpose do you think I'm serving? Do you think I'm working for the master of Hedes himself? Do you think that my blood might actually be satanic? I mean shit man...stop being a pussy and come out and say it.

Do you think I'm invovled in a conspiracy to stop you from conducting your war on the new world order?"

i guess when you have no real argument the easiest thing to do is just exaggerate and come with the ad hominems right? if i question your integrity it automatically means that i think your part of a conspiracy right? isnt that the logic that SLC type debunkers employ frequently? it was almost funny too jpass. but please, stop being such a pussy and tell me how you really feel.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

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"please, stop being such a pussy and tell me how you really feel"

I try, constantly.

Sorry about my harsh rant above. I was pissed because you are making accusations about me serving a 'purpose' and I take offense to that. I have done more then just argue with you when it comes to 9/11 Truth. I have spent countless hours researching, debating, creating, and helping activists set up web sites to get their messages out there.

I genuinely disagree with the tactics that are in the movie. I also genuinely believe your argument against this David Rockefeller is weak and you have yet to produce for me an act that this man has done that I can verify and is pure evilness on display.

his influence and his

his influence and his business and personal connections mean nothing to you. they mean something to me. influence isnt illegal but neither is calling him on it and what he plans to do with that infulence and those connections. you dont like that for some reason. i do. I never claimed he was a part of 9/11 or anything even close to that. that doesnt mean that he isnt damn influential and that he and his family dont have sway. some people like to call him out on that and to them i say good job.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

and guess what dickhead? YOU

and guess what dickhead? YOU questioned OUR patriotism when YOU called US un-american. get it right.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

don't get pissy with me....

Again, you take my critical analysis as an attack on you personally. You really should learn to deal with people that disagree with you.

I did not call you un-american. I stated my opinion about the action that the video shows. They are confronting a man in front of his home calling him scum and trash and claiming he was invovled in 9/11 without solid proof.

That is un-american in my view.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Show "Yea sooo typical..." by jpass

see my post from 7:43. "The

see my post from 7:43.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

question. is a man like Dick

question. is a man like Dick Cheney evil? has he ever really been convicted of anything? how about the people that influence him and pull his strings so to speak? sure, none of them have been convicted but are they not evil? or should we wait on the court case that will never be to tell us?

this is a telling qoute from you:"Supporting a One World Government is not evil nor illegal. Even if youa re powerful, rich, and have rich powerful business associates....you are still free to pursue this line of political beliefs."

i agree, he can think and say whatever he wants but when you and you family historically have had direct access and influence over the people and systems that set policy you have become more than just a "rich powerful guy with crazy political beliefs" and somebody who should be kept in check. its a damn shame that when people like this ask the questions that the media should be asking they get told to be more polite by people like you.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

ridiculous - fighting for the right of one of the most

powerful mans and families and groups in the world.
guantanamo, whats that ?
oh, going to rockefellers door is bad evil !
whow.
very brave , jpass.


"... a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." (mp3)
Albert Einstein

jpass, did you even bother to read this article I posted?

Here's an excerpt...

PROOF OF CONSPIRACY
WE HAVE A CONFESSION
By: Alan Stang

[...]

Meet David Rockefeller, of Standard Oil, Chase Manhattan and the Council on Foreign Relations, which is one of the main headquarters of the conspiracy for world government. Random House published his Memoirs in 2002. I paid no attention to it. What would he reveal? He certainly would not incriminate himself, I thought. I was wrong. On page 405 of the paperback edition, David Rockefeller says this:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Please do as I did and get the book yourself. You don’t need to buy it. Do as I did and get it from the library. Why would David Rockefeller say it? The only explanation I can think of is the Greek word hubris, the overweening pride that comes before a fall. There is also the in-your-face possibility that by now Rockefeller is so close to his lifelong goal that he doesn’t care what you know. For ease in understanding, let’s list the charges he cites:

Inordinate influence over American political and economic institutions

Part of a secret cabal

Working against the best interests of the United States

Internationalism

Conspiring with others around the world

Building a more integrated global political and economic structure

David Rockefeller admits he is guilty of all this and, like all unregenerate criminals, he is proud of it. What does "inordinate" mean? My dictionary says it means "not within proper limits; excessive." It also means "unrestrained in conduct." In short, "inordinate influence" is wrong, but David confesses he has it. Remember that American voters did not authorize such influence.

Next he says he is "part of a secret cabal." "Cabal" is another word for "conspiracy." A conspiracy includes three elements: secrecy, which he admits, two or more people and a goal that is evil. Indeed, what is the purpose of the conspiracy to which David belongs? He is "working against the best interests of the United States."

Please tell me what else you need to know. What more could you know? What would you call anyone else who is "working against the best interests of the United States?" Keep repeating that admission. Like the Communists and the Nazis, he is "working against the best interests of the United States." He agrees that he is "conspiring with others around the world."

For what? For "internationalism." David Rockefeller and his fellow conspirators are "building a more integrated global political and economic structure," which in the context of his other admissions means they are conspiring to destroy our national independence and submerge us in a totalitarian socialist world dictatorship they would run. David not only admits all this; he is proud of it.

The quotation that began all this should be read by allegedly "conservative" talk show hosts every hour on the air. Have you heard it even once? Have you read it anywhere? Slimebags like Limbaugh will excoriate anyone who dares call in to suggest that someone could be doing bad things to America deliberately, when the proof of that suggestion is ready to hand.

Of course, this is easy to understand when you realize that the Rockefellers themselves or their factotums sit on the boards of the companies that own the radio and television stations, the publishers, the newspapers, etc., to such an extent that the few mentions of such matters that do see the light of day are easily disregarded, right, Rush? That is why you never hear or read anything about the real doings of the Rockefellers.

That is why you don’t hear or read the truth in the "mainstream media" about the Rockefeller role in the Federal Reserve swindle and the income tax, or about brother Nelson, for instance, who divorced his wife to marry someone else’s wife and then died in still another woman’s saddle. She got the Manhattan townhouse and $50,000, then a lot of money, to keep her trap shut, and she has.

If the Rockefeller confession does not convince the people you are trying to convince, I suggest that you do with them what you do with the squishy, stinky dog turd you find on your shoe.

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/stang072106.shtml

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Yea i read it...

I know all this. I know his family history, I know of his one world gov. aspirations.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

You're full of shit, you didn't read it

If you had you would know that he openly confessed to being part of a conspiracy that's working against the best interests of the united states of America. Do you understand that he has confessed to a crime, which can be punishable by death?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

I read it differently then you...

My first impression was that he was talking about the last part of his statement, a one world government. I did not see it as a confession of working against the interests of the USA, whatever that means.

Secondly, this admission alone does not prove anything. I just don't see it as a damning piece of evidence that this guy is pure evil walking the earth as you guys do.

He's a man with power, money, and influence. I have yet to see evidence that he was involved with the 9/11 Attacks.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Do you or do you not agree that the u.s. is a sovereign nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution#Articles_of_the_...

A "one world government" that David Rockefeller has confessed to being a part of -- a secret (conspiracy) group working to undermine the sovereignty of the people of the united states -- is treason, period. It's a crime punishable by death. You have just gone on record on this thread that you support David Rockefeller's crimes of treason and conspiracy against the people of the united states of America. Do you wish to retract your support of this man now, or are you going to continue to support this criminal?

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

cool down, some people have a very special kind of logic

jpass may be too, but he doesnt "support" rockefeller.
people who supporting rockefeller arent visible to the public.

jpass is no supporter of rockefeller.
and, he has a very bad stand, against all us.
i think it is better, to wait some days and think about this, evryone for himself.

regards from germany


"... a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." (mp3)
Albert Einstein

Hey kraut if I wanted your opinion on this I would have asked ya

Kidding aside...

David Rockefeller is an enemy of the people of the united states of America (and the rest of the world) and the reason why he hasn't been punished for his crimes is because of twits like jpass who go around defending him. I have a BIG problem with that. Things like 9/11 would never have happened in America if it weren't for criminal apologists like jpass. These people should have been dealt with long ago, and now when some of us are trying to hold these criminals accountable, along come the apologists again. I'm sick of it. I say to all you apologists out there, either get on this bus, or get out of the way of it, because if you don't you may find yourself underneath it!

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

yes thats right, BUT

people, that are part of the "rockefellow-party" dont talk about this.
THEY ACT.
jpass TALKS

after long years of "research" , based on the work of others, my picture of the "reality" is nothing that i can talk about. to strange for average people, like 9/11-truth for the average world-citizen.
..................
but in germany a little group of people have begun, to develop a new constitution, an "open-source-constitution" , a constitution for the whole mankind, which can be modified to regional and national issues. its for sure a long process, but it is the only answer and solution, after 9/11 truth is worldwide accepted.
without THIS NWO, an NWO of the people, the only thing whioch will happen, is that history repeats again. next rockefellows will come in 50 years.

since a long time, kraut is not one of our favourite daily foods.
but sometimes i like it.
;-)
absolutely crazy, a lot of people here like "hamburgers" from "america".
hamburg is a german city. very crazy. called "re-import"

PS here ist the track of the BBC 23-minutes story, most in german, but you can find this passage with the wout of veritas
"Are you around stallion4...
I think I have discovered something VERY significant re WTC7 (been spending the last two days going through "archive.org" footage of 9/11)...

http://www.datawind.de/?q=node/5


"... a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." (mp3)
Albert Einstein

LOL you're all right Sir Rious Mind.

Thanks for your input here.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

My final comment on this matter....

YOu guys claim the man is super evil....

I ask for one evil deed....

The best you guys can do is provide a quote from his own memoires.

Very telling.

This does not prove, by any means, that David Rockafeller is not an evil, anti-american prick. But it does prove that your guys argument and your attempts to pursuade me or anyone else for that matter, need a masive amount of work.

I've been listening to Alex Jones for years I he has yet to provide a solid, non-faith based argument to support his sweeping claims.

But, when I listen to him and every 10 minutes I hear a commercial about how Bible Prophecy confirms similar scenarios...I find it hard to be surprised at the religious like fervor that I experience here on this thread.

It is very telling that you all claim this man is soooo evil...and yet....when asked for your best example of his evily-ness....you guys.....together...can not come up with more then a few quotes that proves neither crime nor evil-ness, IMO.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

you chose to ignore my point

you chose to ignore my point numerous times. check the post where i mention Cheney for starters.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

and you have showed us, that you have no heart

no inner voice, no connection to the social consciousness of mankind.
you listen to words and look at pictures and videos and laws.
you never find the trueth here.
the trueth is IN you.
if you cant recognize the cancer of mankind and the environment, you are not able to be a good "white bloodcell" (right word ?)

sorry - listen to your heart.
this is the only advice i can give to people like you.


"... a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind." (mp3)
Albert Einstein

basically? connections

basically? connections matter. influence matters in our society/system right? you can admit that right? blood money matters. and also, has Dick Cheney ever been convicted of anything?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

How shitty is this

Luke and Cosmo are on video trying to get Rockefeller to talk about his recnet indictment by the Citizen's Grand Jury when, in fact, that mock-indictment was not even issued.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

since your still here afterall i'll try again.....

influence matters in our society/system right? you can admit that right? blood money matters. and also, has Dick Cheney ever been convicted of anything? is a man like Dick Cheney evil? has he ever really been convicted of anything? how about the people that influence him and pull his strings so to speak? sure, none of them have been convicted but are they not evil? or should we wait on the court case that will never be to tell us?

and if you want an answer to your question as to what makes this man evil, check my post from Wed 7:43 and then do some research into his and his families history as it relates to the U.S. government. this is about influence and connections, not him being "guilty" for 9/11(though im all for the grand jury). again, im personally not going to call him a 9/11 perp or anything like that but that doesnt mean he isnt a problem. you ask us to provide specifics about his "crimes". thats not how things always work in our system, and i think you know that. im sure you've heard of plausible deniability. as if a guy like Rockefeller is going to DIRECTLY get his hands bloody. he doesnt HAVE TO, dont you get it?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I don't buy it.

You can't provide one example of David Rockefeller's pure evilness? Come on Chris, don't you think that is a little weak?

I have begun research on David Rockefeller but, regardless of my own research, it' s weak to argue a point like "David Rockefeller is pure evil" if yoiu can't provide one single example of something he's done that is evil.

I'm not saying he's not. I don't know. But you are the one calling him out, which is fine by me. But go find atleast one strong example of an evil deed he's done.

Beleiving that a centralized world government is good for himself is not illegal nor evil. Also, I think you guys have taken the quote from his book out of context.

When Rockefeller admits his guilt I believe he is referring to the last sentence of his comment and not the entire comment.

That is how I read it and how 3 conescutive people I showed the comment saw it.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

its not just about "evil deeds" you dumb fuck!

but i dont really think your dumb, i think you've hit a snag and you know it. your clearly going in circles now and purposefully failing to accept my point(which ive made about 5 times now and wont make again. go back and read carefully). game over. and its obviously NOT fine by you based on your little screeds here over the past couple of days. "anti-american" right? and dont bother responding to anything specific in my previous posts or ANY of the questions ive posed to you or anything, just keep going in circles like this. fucking typical. its nice to see you've just begun research on him though.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Respond to what?

There is no substance. I asked you to provide me one single example of the man's pure evilness that you and other posters have claimed.

You can't do it. You call my request for evidence a "false test" and then you offer this:

"influence matters in our society/system right? you can admit that right? blood money matters. and also, has Dick Cheney ever been convicted of anything? is a man like Dick Cheney evil? has he ever really been convicted of anything? how about the people that influence him and pull his strings so to speak? sure, none of them have been convicted but are they not evil? or should we wait on the court case that will never be to tell us?"

1. Yes influence matters (but it doesn't make you evili or guilty of a crime)
2. yes I can admit that, I just did
3. blood money matters - I'm not sure what you mean here but if you could be so kind as to provide an example of blood money as it relates to David Rockefeller
4. has dick cheney ever been convicted of..... - as far as I know, he has not.
5. is a man like dick cheney evil - depends who you ask, but I would consider him evil yes
6. has he ever really been convicted of anything - Not that I know of
5. how about the people who influence him and pull his strings ... - I have no idea who you are talking about
6. none of them have been convicted...but are they not evil? - I don't know who you are referring to
7. or should we wait on the court case ... - yes that would be the American thing to do.

So there you have it. I answered ever point you made. Now, can you be so kind as to entertain me by answering my question that I've stated over and over:

Can you provide me with one solid deed this man has done that caused you to determine he is pure evil? One exmaple, that is all. Should not be hard consiering the extreme nature of your accusations.

Chris, I did not call you anti-american. I said that the actions I seen and the tone of this thread was, IMO, anti-American. Guilt by association, accusations without evidence, and just plain old weak ass arguments to support your case....

I am not claiming to support Rockefeller or the New Wolrd Order. I'm basically saying that you need to work on your argument because if you are going to make claims you should be able to back them up.

What if you were in a bar talking about David Rockefeller and you said "The man is pure evil" or something like you've stated on this thread. Then, the person next to you says:

"What do you mean he's evil? Can you provide an example of something he's done that is evil? A deed, a vote, a passage?"

What would you say?
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

im sure you've heard of

im sure you've heard of plausible deniability. as if a guy like Rockefeller is going to DIRECTLY get his hands bloody. he doesnt HAVE TO, dont you get it?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Well fuck...let's have us a public lynching then!!

Your case is rock solid. Fuck justice, forget the courts....let us begin the public lynching!!!!!

Yeeeee hawwwww...

Develop your argument and get back to me.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

isnt that what you always do

isnt that what you always do when you have NOTHING to say? come with some bullshit joke to try and make the other side look extreme? exaggerate while ignoring my points? i didnt call for a lynching and you know it. confronting a man in public does not equal a lynching and you know it. you have NO argument you only have "give me one evil deed" while completely ignoring everything else ive said and why "one evil deed" doesnt fucking matter. develop the ability to say you were wrong or at least the ability to respond to basic points and get back to me.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

LOL

Chris, you do just fine making yourself look extreme. You argument is weak. Develop it and find some facts that support your case. These should be facts like:

"Dick Cheney lied on national TV when he said that Iraq had 'reconstituted nuclear weapons'. See...here is the video to prove he said it....here is findings from the weaopns inspectors that refute his claim"

That would be something I would bring up.

I just wish you had one example. That's all I need man. Just one.

Has he financed any genocide lately? Has he paid for a death squad? Can you show me ANYTHING he's done that you consider pure eviL?

I am not saying I am in love with David Rockefeller. I'm saying your argument is among the weakest I've experienced.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

just one "evil deed"!!!!

and the circle continues. my argument was and continues to be that confronting a man with this kind of influence who says the things that hes said and has the connections that he and his family have had is a good thing. you think its bad. that was the argument. people can decide for themselves on that one. you show a stunning lack of understanding of how our society and system of government works. influence and connections clearly mean NOTHING to you and you will probably spend the rest of your life waiting on that Dick Cheney trial if people were to take your advice and "be polite" to these people. your right, i cant provide one single "evil deed". i guess that means you win the argument right buddy?(even though that wasnt the argument i was making) whatever makes you feel better. this is my final word on this.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I am wrong

For calling you a pussy and being overly sarcastic with my lynching comment. I apologized many times.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

many times? you JUST Made

many times? you JUST Made that lynching comment a few minutes ago!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

backed into a corner with

backed into a corner with nothing left to say? cant find it in you to come with a genuine response to a rational argument? just come with a joke!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

once again, ITS NOT JUST ABOUT "DEEDS".....

but im sure you know that by now even if you pretend not to. so you think Cheney is evil but you wont say so publically or given the chance, to him personally until the court case comes because "thats american"? see the problem here? you admit that influence matters but expect people like us to not say anything about said persons influence because he hasnt been convicted of anything? you are STILL going in circles, there was plenty of substance there and you are STILL going in circles. hopeless. (just a tip, try not to contradict yourself next time, on the one hand you call Cheney evil and just a few lines below that you say we should wait on the court case to make that determination because "thats american".)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

You're arguments are perposterous.

I say it all the time man. I've seen the man lie and mislead the public with my very own eyes. I would support an action in front of his home because the man is a war criminal based on verifiable facts. Events that are real and that actually happened that I can show you if you would like.

If someone were to ask me to provide examples to back up my view about Dick Chneey I could easily do so.

I can't say the same for you and David Rockefeller.

Contradictions? Hardly.

Now, do you have just ONE SINGLE THING that this man has done for you to call him evil? I know his evil quotes in the book are really really bad and he should fry in hell for even thinking those words he wrote....but do you have anything else?

Something....anything....dood...just find me something because your argument is non-existant. You have not provided one thing the man has done that is 'evil'.

Does that mean I don't believe it exists? That I believe that guy is cool cat? Of course not.....I't just means you need to work on your arguemnt and atleast go find one fact to back up your accusations.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

You have now wasted two

You have now wasted two pages arguing over this. Please take this discussion to a discussion forum or to private email.

And please keep inflammatory comments like this to yourself:
"Your case is rock solid. Fuck justice, forget the courts....let us begin the public lynching!!!!!

Yeeeee hawwwww..."

Ok sorry

Sorry.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

i'll admit that we have both

i'll admit that we have both been inflammatory and maybe a bit hostile but isnt this discussion worthy? im done with it now and i'll respect your wishes to end it but this thread was basically dead anyway, its on page 3, many of the threads around it have anywhere from 0-20 comments, and despite the flames we are having a pretty constructive discussion on Rockefeller and his importance/influence(or lack of depending on where you sit). i mean no offense when i say this, but, whats the big deal? we are having a heated debate and i figured 911blogger.com would be one of the last places to want to try and stop that, especially considering its not like this is on the front page or in a thread that hasnt been basically abandoned like so many others over time. its also on topic. i'll admit it was getting personal though and a bit ugly so i understand you wanting this particular debate/argument to stop. i have to admit though, i dont understand how a heated debate on Rockefeller in a Rockefeller thread is a waste of two pages like you said. but i love the site and respect the people who run it so this debate ends now. im sorry i wasted space with this debate, if thats how you really feel.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I was giving a warning to

I was giving a warning to drop the arguing, flaming, etc. etc. before it got out of hand and I had to bust out the banhammer, that is all. If you think you both can have a productive discussion then I don't really care so long as this thread isn't still getting bumped up on the tracker in another 3 weeks.. but really, discussions are best for discussion forums IMO.

Wow, I almost gave up...

On you Chris :) Now I find out you are busy reading my mind and posting my thoughts before I can.

Anyway, well said.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Also...

You should calm down. I apologized for calling you a pussy. We are on the same team here.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

I'd like to take your test

jpass, if it's not too late I'd like to take your test...

I understand your frustration as to what the man is really meant to have done, and a lot of people just repeat the memoirs quotes parrot fashion, but the evidence is there if you know where to look.

I strongly suggest you read The Rockefeller Files by Gary Allen, it's available free on-line and I'm sure you could find it with a Google search.

Among other deeds, Allen outlines how, in the 1960s at the height of the Cold War, Rockefeller went to the USSR and negotiated a trade deal by which the Soviets could buy the means to create arms, which they subsequently sold to North Vietnam. So not only were the Rockefellers making a fortune through having a controlling interest in the Federal Reserve and printing the money to support the US military operation, they were also making money by providing the means by which the other side could make weapons. The book is full of sources you can use to corroborate this claim.

Let me know how it goes.

Sounds like a starting point to me...

Awesome!. Thank you very much.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Chapter 1 down

I had some time to read the introduction and Chapter 1: The Multi-Billion Dollar Myth and it's very interesting. I was dissapointed with the lack of sourcing and also the author says, in the first chapter, things like:

"we can't prove any of this because the evidence is secret"

So he admits that much of the first chapter is based on speculatioon. Not a big deal though because the Rockefeller's obviously have not made an attempt to accurately report the wealth, atleast according to this first chapter.

He is commenting on the Rockefeller family hiding it's money & power by using 100s, possibly 1000s or tens of 1000s of Foundations.....to sort of shift it's wealth around when it comes time to be audited or when someone starts asking questions I guess.

The author's initial basis for mistrusting the Rockefeller Family is because when Nelso was VP Congress had called a hearing to discuss it and the networth was reported at $33 million which Nelson later modified when pressed & questioned. His final figure was about 6 x the $33 million report.

With other research I've done it looks like David Rockefeller might very well be scum...anti-american scum who beleives he and his banker buddies are some how more 'advanced' the regular ol' serfs and they should be in control...but I still don't support staking out his home and waiting for him. That just seems un-American to me.

My fear is that we become that which we are working against. Even David Rockefeller has the right to privacy and safety at his own home in America. There must be a better way.

Next Chapter: The Saintly Sinner

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Question

>>I still don't support staking out his home and waiting for him. That just seems un-American to me.

Do you think that multi-millionaires have only one home? How many homes do you have? One? Several? Gotta protect that multii-millionaire or someone might bother him!

But gotta stick up for the Amurican way, right? Treat all fairly? Right? Isn't that how Amuricans really are.

One person can be a multi-million or billionaire while others are homeless in the street until they are lit on fire one night while sleeping -- their life is over. A homeless woman near where I live, with three kids and schizophrenia, living in a shelter, ended up killing all of the kids by drowning them. That's the Amurican way alright! Leave a woman alone with three kids in a homeless shelter without any support for her mind until she kills them all. Where did her family go? Amurican way. Protect the rich, step on - ignore - the poor. Protect the rich man's right not to be harassed by white middle class PROTESTERS at his mansion, not mugged or murdered by anonymous people in the dark, the way homeless people are.

Can I ask, are you speaking out for the rights of the homeless and the handicapped the same way you are for the rights of multi-millionaires like DR on other forums? If not, why not? Amurican way.

When was the last time you saw a homeless person on CNN?

Guess they don't exist.

Sorry to rant, but it seems like when you're protecting the rich white man so he can be quietly whisked by security in and out of his mansion, I can just guess that you aren't putting the same energy into doing something for all the people that paid 10X the % of taxes on their paycheck that he ever did, while working at McDonalds. The person who is getting your coffee at Starbucks is making $7 an hour. 8 Hours a day. That's less than $100 a day to work all day. Are you speaking up for them? They aren't unionized. Does that matter?

I just think we have to look at our own neuroses from being Americans -- why are we so interested in protecting a rich white man, but we can't be bothered to speak up when it comes to so many others? This is a psychological issue and it has to do with authority and how we each deal with authority, not with the concrete facts in an argument that you haven't yet looked up yourself.

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