Another Structual Engineer Comes out for 9/11 Truth

[Update: Seems that this is fake, and that the disinfo boys were having a little fun. See comments below.]

Screw Loose Change, in paroding the "Structural Engineers Question Collapse of the World Trade Center" article, inadvertently alerted me to the fact that a new structural engineer just joined Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

Mark Iradian, Structural Engineer, of Canada City (Ontario), Canada

Hat tip to Screw Loose Change.

Mark Iradian is the guy

Mark Iradian is the guy behind the Screw Loose Change video and, I think, website.

It is the same name...

Do a "whois" lookup on the domain: lolloosechange.co.nr

http://www.freedomain.co.nr/whois.php

It is listed as Mark Iradian and the movie Screw Loose Change...

They better be careful

AE911TRuth is going to be attacked. They would do well to carefully vet each and every name that they list on their website. The system they have right now is simply to vulnerable to abuse.

Just consider the possibilities.

Let me guess - we will soon see renowned holocaust deniars showing up on their members list.

Someone need to email them ASAP and ask them to temporarily close down the open-enrollment system and consider a different approach.

agreed.

We should all thank Mark Iradian for inadvertently pointing out the flawed signup system!

I think it's safe to say that the policies regarding forum posts

and the list of members are undergoing review and new policies and procedures will be forthcoming shortly.

The unfortunate, but not surprising, reality of online dirty tricks and general incivility is becoming increasingly clear to Richard Gage.

Please know that his volunteer web team will take appropriate countermeasures, as needed.

(They're not called infowars for nothing)

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yes, John, let's see if

yes, John, let's see if "Albert Speer, First Architect" shows up... :)

Thanks for pointing that out.

I've deleted him off my list.

This is a major breakthrough

Although I took a position officially supporting the theory of CD in my blog here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/2349 one of my biggest problems with this theory has been the marginal amount of support coming from qualified experts in the field. Although I find little fault with Dr. Jones’ work, I also understand my own limitations in judging his work. I am not a physicist.

So – I have always been somewhat frustrated by the fact that this issue seemed to remain in the domain of a grassroots belief-system, while failing to attract any real attention from a broad range of experts.

Yes – there have been intermittent voices of support from credible experts in Europe and elsewhere – but – Dr. Jones has been fighting a very lonely and brave fight for gaining attention for this issue.

I cannot even begin to tell you what a RELIEF it is to now FINALLY see a list of names – with credentials – talking about this issue. FINALLY there is a pool of experts that we can point to. Finally – the issue has REAL legs – not in the form of common citizens with belief systems that are – after all – layman opinions. But – now we have the impetus to take this to the next level – REAL debate among those who are QUALIFIED to debate it.

FINALLY I can feel comfortable in my own skin discussing this issue. It is no longer an embarrassing urban myth type issue. The issue has REAL legs. Lets here Tucker Carlson call these experts “Quacks” - as he did with Dr. Jones. Lets see the media attempt to call a prestigious cross-section of dozens of engineers, architects and physicists with ACCREDITATION “conspiracy theorists.”

I would like to suggest that we all start designing handouts that list ALL the names and credentials from the AE911Truth website (and the list is still growing) –with the simple headline:

“Can So Many Experts Be Ignored?”

The destruction of those buildings

was a physical, not a cultural phenomenon, and we in the laity have described it based on the same Newtonian belief system of the priests. The cultural phenomenon is our need for experts to tells us it is OK to state the obvious with confidence, based on our own observations, knowledge, and reasoning.

I think this new group is great and a very encouraging development, but they will still be among the minority of experts willing to state the obvious. Tucker Carlson can still call them "quacks." I hope that they give the courage for more to speak out, because I do agree that having experts on our side is crucial.

Thank you for explaining why you would not speak confidently on Fox News - you were embarrassed. I don't appreciate my attempts to understand what happened, and the work of the laymen that saw controlled demolition long before Steven Jones came on the scene, described as a "cultural phenomena" or "urban myth." Please reconsider your paradigm or apply it where it belongs - to the people in denial, and the experts who are too cowardly or comfortable to speak out.

Well said!

"The destruction of those buildings was a physical, not a cultural phenomenon, and we in the laity have described it based on the same Newtonian belief system of the priests. The cultural phenomenon is our need for experts to tells us it is OK to state the obvious with confidence, based on our own observations, knowledge, and reasoning."

You do not need a degree in physics to understand that the very rapid collapse speeds of the buildings demolish the OCT.

And you do not need a degree in political science to understand why those speeds were not analyzed by NIST or the 9/11 Report.

And you do not need a degree in journalism to understand why the mainstream media give 9/11 the silent treatment.

And you do not need a degree in law enforcement to understand that the passport found in NYC was planted.

ETC.............

Speak the truth. Do your best.

just curious

do you believe planes were used on 9/11?

how about space beams?

TVFakery?

state your position

The most likely explanations

The most likely explanations for why more engineers and physicists have not spoken up is 1) most have probably not even looked at the evidence; 2) in many cases it would be career suicide if they did say something; and 3) most of them are probably not the type to become politically involved. Look what happened to Jones, Barrett, and now Rosie O. There are credible reports that many members of the police and fire departments in NYC doubt the official story, but most of them are silent for similar reasons.

I do agree with your satisfaction that we have even more experts on board, but we must be willing and able to think for ourselves. Anyone with basic science training should be able to understand that the "gravity-driven" collapse hypotheses for all three WTC buildings violates basic laws of physics.

To be civil, we might say that the probability of the OCT "gravity-driven" collapse theory is extremely unlikely when compared to other hypotheses, but that's as far as we need to go.

Scientists and engineers rarely lead political movements. It's good that more are joining, but there is no mystery IMHO about why it has taken so long to get the ones we have.

Social and political changes occur when many people want them.

Ningen makes some good points. Why not simply adjust your thinking a bit? He is not directly contradicting what you say, just asking you to "Please reconsider your paradigm or apply it where it belongs - to the people in denial, and the experts who are too cowardly or comfortable to speak out."

And by the way, what he says about Jones is true--I think every point Jones made in his first paper had been made by laymen before he wrote it. This is NOT meant to denigrate Jones, but to encourage people like you and me. We can think too. We need experts to nail the case and for political reasons, but we can think too, and all of us should.

" in many cases it would be

" in many cases it would be career suicide if they did say something"

yes, and this is why it is so important to subtitle all the 9/11 documentaries to languages like Russian, Chinese and Japanese, where there will be structural engineers who will question and who do not risk career suicide in their countries.

confused... so what is the verdict on this character?

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I believe he is the one that

I believe he is the one that made the stunning, extremely persuasive video entitled "Screw Loose Change", which completely debunked all of the claims made in "Loose Change". And I must say, SLC was a fine piece of filmmaking (forget the fact that it is blatant copyright infringement).

Oh yeah, and Mr. Iradian is also a comic book writer. See here: http://www.chroniclesofgaras.com/about.php

Someone like Iradian that lives in the fantasy world of Dungeons and Dragons is the perfect person to defend the official fairy tale.

"Hat tip to Screw Loose

"Hat tip to Screw Loose Change."

nice ;)

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