Putting Giuliani's lie in context: Who was the anonymous "engineer type person" who predicted collapse?

Luke Rudowski, Sabrina Rivero and Tom Foti courageously confronted Rudy Giuliani about his foreknowledge of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Even Pat at Screw Loose Change quietly admitted, "Yes, as far as I know, Rudy's wrong when he says there was no forewarning of the possibility of collapse of the WTC towers."

The story of foreknowledge of the collapse of the towers is a strange one and worth revisiting, because one of the most important (and prescient) observations alleged to have taken place on 9/11 is attributed to an anonymous person (on the ground, about 800 feet from the impact). In the 9/11 Commission Report, the warning of total collapse arrives like this:

"At about 9:57 an EMS paramedic approached the FDNY Chief of Department and advised that an engineer in front of 7 WTC had just remarked that the Twin Towers in fact were in imminent danger of a total collapse" (302).

Could it have been Harley Guy? We'll never know, because no one involved seems to know the name of this anonymous "engineer" with magical powers of foresight.

First, the report mentions repeatedly that no one expected the towers to collapse:

“They also received advice from senior FDNY chiefs that while the building might eventually suffer a partial collapse on upper floors, such structural failure was not imminent. No one anticipated the possibility of a total collapse” (291).

“To our knowledge, none of the chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible” (302).

“Prior to 9:59, no NYPD helicopter pilot predicted that either tower would collapse” (304).

So the FDNY and NYPD, including the helicopter pilots who have a particularly good view of the impact zone, suspected nothing, but an anonymous person who may have been an engineer (see below) gave the opinion that motivated everyone involved, including Giuliani, to take specific action?

EMS Division Chief John Peruggia describes the encounter that predicted the collapse of the towers:

"I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure.Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse....

The information we got at that time was that they felt both buildings were significantly damaged,
but they felt that the north tower, which was the first one to be struck, was going to be in imminent danger of collapse. Looking up at it, you could see that, you could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was significant structural damage to the exterior of the building. Very noticeable. Now you know, again, this is not a scene where the thought of both buildings collapsing ever entered into my mind.

I was there in 1993, 14 minutes after the bomb went off. I operated some 16 hours at the
building and with all the post-incident critiques and debriefings with various agencies. We were always told by everyone, the experts, that these buildings could withstand direct hits from airplanes. That's the way they were designed. They went through all of this architectural stuff, way beyond the scope of my knowledge.

It was hit by an airplane. That's okay. It's made to be hit by an airplane. I mean I think everyone may have believed that. We were all told years ago it was made to be hit by an airplane."

The incident reminds me of the Phantom Flight 11 story, which alleges to explain the inability of air defenses to stop a plane from hitting the Pentagon. The Commission reveals: "We have been unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information" (194). Such a key piece of evidence, easily identified by FAA audio recordings, eludes the Commission.

It also reminds me of the put options from an anonymous institutional investor.


Exactamente my own thoughts

And please keep in mind the foreknowledge of the Twin Towers collapse also.


“I went into No. 7, activated OEM, placed calls to EMS Citywide, RCC, to tell them we were there and we were activated.
Maybe five, ten minutes, not even ten minutes later, a rep from OEM came into the main room and said we need to evacuate the building; there's a third plane inbound. That was the only thing I really heard because I said, Abdo, we've got to go, and we made it down to the lobby of the building, street level, met up
with Chief Peruggia in the lobby of the building. He said that there was no third plane but we needed to re-establish OEM right there so we can coordinate what was going on. He had already been to the command post, so he told us, and he was trying to release people back to be operational. He was looking for the Fire guy to go back in. He was there with Captain Yakimovich. In OEM with Captain Nahmod and I was Chief Maggio, who is now retired, and another firefighter from the 1st Division. We were really trying to establish OEM and a treatment sector in the lobby of the building because there were people coming around us.
Again, times are a little fuzzy initially for me. A few minutes later, John came to me and said you need to go find Chief Ganci and relay the following message:
that the buildings have been compromised, we need to evacuate, they're going to collapse.
Testimony R. Zarillo


German yellow press Bild Zeitung maintained

that the warning came from an unidentified civil engineer from the civil authority. But why to hell was he unidentified? He is a hero, saved dozens if not hundreds of lifes,
Wouldn’t he come forward with this? Not? Maybe the warner did belong to the perps?

A warning of a collapse, right before it begins? How did he know the buildings were compromised to collapse? When all the firefighters on scene know not?

good point

About the individual in question being a hero. You would think this person would be hailed as such by public officials and the 9/11 Commission, if his actions saved some people in those few minutes before collapse.

I also wonder about the chain of command. Here you have all the fire chiefs assembled saying there is nothing to worry about, and from out of the blue arrives this anonymous person who may have been an engineer (we don't know) and his word trumps everyone else. Imagine this in the context of a regular fire. Who has the authority to make such a call, especially when, as the firefighter above recalls, everyone had been instructed after 1993 that the WTC was built to withstand multiple airplane hits?

And yes, another good point you make is that the warning comes just minutes before the actual collapse. They didn't have to wait 30 minutes, or an hour, or 3 hours. No, anonymous guy speaks and then BAM the South Tower comes down.


the forwarning served mainly one purpose: as cover story why all the higher ups weren't killed. Just for the case that somebody would have ask the question, indeed nobody did to now.


Others also appear to have been aware of the imminent danger. Fire Chief Joseph Pfeifer, who is at the command post in the lobby of the North Tower, says, “Right before the South Tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn’t have.” He says some of them are moving to a new command post across the street. [City of New York, 10/23/2001]


Do you guys know?

If Larry Silverstein testified in front of the 9/11 Commission?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Harley Guy.

Who is Harley Guy?
he was the actor at ground zero on 9/11/01 with the HD t shirt that initiated the
myth that the towers fell "Mostly due to structural failure" after they were weakened
by the impact of the planes.

Is it possible we could find this guy? We have all seen his face, somebody out there
must know him, he must have family somewhere, it would be great to ask him some

Does anyone have any ideas on how we could try and find out who he is?

"Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past"
George Orwell 1984

Mostly I was kidding

Somehow I doubt the FDNY would take the word of some guy in a HD shirt and cap.

Of course, he was enough of an authority for Fox News.

But sure, it would be nice to know who that guy is.