San Diego Hopes 9/11 Grand Jury Indictments Might Some Day Be Made

The only result from a grand jury experiment that took place in San Diego on April 14, 2007, is this serious and sincere warning:

The grand jury system is vulnerable, and can be abused. Its future application to 9/11 crimes needs to be wisely managed and very carefully watched by conscientious people or 9/11 justice may never be achieved.

Although a number of procedural problems prevented the people who volunteered to act as jurors at the April 14 event from ever working together to come to conclusions and issue indictments, they say a grand jury may some day be able to do so.

More than half the original volunteers dissociated themselves from the event on or shortly after April 14. Even so, at least eleven out of eleven of them have expressed in writing their very strong desire to publicly correct false reports that a citizens’ grand jury in San Diego indicted or charged people with 9/11 crimes.

They state: “Contrary to reports in April and May of 2007, and possibly thereafter, an April 14, 2007, citizens’ grand jury in San Diego never made any indictments of any individuals regarding the September 11 attacks. Unfortunately, an incorrect report posted to the internet and now circulating around it, titled ‘Historic Result From San Diego Citizens' Grand Jury On The Crimes Of September 11, 2001 In New York City,’ spawned hundreds of replications of that false announcement, and threatens to interfere with future efforts for 9/11 truth and justice by means of the grand jury system.”

Several of the volunteers who had been misrepresented by that false announcement (that is, the few who remained in touch with each other regarding the project) resisted their very strong desire to publicly correct the error on line right away. Instead, working as rapidly as possible in their spare time, they communicated with each other about how best to correct the record without harming the 9/11 truth movement, or any individuals involved in it.

Their decision was to communicate to the author of the false announcement, first by email and telephone, so he could correct the error. The author refused to make the correction. So a letter was composed and nine out of ten of the volunteers voted in favor of sending it to the author and CCing it to a carefully selected list. The letter ( demanded that the author of the false report correct the error no later than midnight, May 26. That demand was ignored. The volunteers then voted to publicly correct the false announcement by accurately reporting what happened on and after April 14 by publishing to the internet this blog and the letter referenced above.

The volunteers’ only conclusion is this: the public needs to be warned immediately that judicial procedures for 9/11 justice must be very carefully managed and monitored.

They base this conclusion on a number of avoidable errors they observed on or after the April 14 hearing. Some of the avoidable errors include:

- Allowing the prosecutor to cancel the jury’s opportunity to deliberate.
- Preventing the jury from working together, or even meeting, in private after the prosecutor’s presentation.
- Not providing the jury with a way to communicate, meet, and deliberate in the days following the prosecutor’s presentation.
- Allowing the prosecutor to meet with the jurors after his presentation.
- Allowing the prosecutor to take a show-of-hands vote for conclusions he had drawn.
- Allowing the prosecutor to take a show-of-hands vote for conclusions he had not demonstrated were supportable.
- Overlooking standard procedures, such as
- promising but failing to conform to established federal grand jury procedure (including the requirement that grand juries be held in private),
- needing to be reminded to swear the jury in,
- not instructing the jury as to their duties and obligations,
- not reviewing all the participants’ roles and obligations,
- not making an opening statement,
- not organizing a presentation so as to demonstrate proofs and draw sound conclusions from clearly presented evidence,
- not making a closing argument,
- not allowing the jury to create a presentment,
- not allowing the jury to issue an indictment.
- Not supporting the jury in their efforts to write the presentment.
- Not ensuring proper execution of the jury deliberation process.
- Publicly announcing that the jury had come to conclusions, even though they had not.
- Publicly announcing that the jury had made indictments, even though they had not.
- Not publicly correcting the false announcement, even after being explicitly directed by the jury volunteers to do so.

The volunteers know, however, that the grand jury system can be successfully applied to the crimes of 9/11, as long as the procedure is conscientiously managed and monitored.

The volunteers from the April 14 experiment who remain in touch with each other stress the following:

1. Participants (e.g. prosecutor, witnesses, jurors) can be proactively, constructively supported by a conscientious non-judgmental team to accomplish great work.

2. It’s likely that no one has yet effectively connected evidence of what happened on 9/11 to specific people who should be investigated to determine who is responsible for any 9/11 crimes. But it’s ESSENTIAL that an effective, articulate, credible presentation of evidence that shows probable cause to charge specific people with specific crimes be produced if all the right people are ever going to be convicted and punished for all the right crimes.

3. It is ESSENTIAL that anybody who might ever serve on a 9/11 grand jury know in advance of serving how a grand jury is designed to work, what a presentment is, what the prosecutor's job is, what the jury's job is, and what constitutes an indictment.

4. It’s ESSENTIAL that any future 9/11 grand jury be carefully managed and monitored to prevent it from failing, whether because of deliberate interference or well-intentioned incompetence.

5. Pitfalls any future grand jury should carefully guard against include:

Carrying the jury out at a time (e.g. too soon or too late) or at a place or in a way that empowers that grand jury to stymie or interfere with the grand jury process and the possibility of ever conclusively and officially indicting the right people.

The possibility that false public reports regarding the work of the jury or the hearing might be made.

The possibility that public reports, whether false or true, regarding the work of the jury or the hearing might be made before the jury is finished with their work.

The possibility that reports, whether false or true, regarding the work of the jury might have premature influence on public opinion and lead to public bias toward uninvestigated, unprovable, or false claims, and or against the truth.

The creation of a faulty foundation that could adversely affect what happens, or is permitted to happen, at any trial that might ensue from a grand jury hearing and presentment.
That’s a partial list.

The volunteers of April 14 encourage all people of the United States to seek 9/11 truth and justice by:

continuing to reveal what happened,

continuing to educate the public,

disregarding what could not have happened,

proving what the causes could be,

proving what the causes could not be,

constructing bridges of evidence between what happened and how, to who could be responsible and who could not,

narrowing evidence to clearly demonstrate who is in fact responsible,

identifying and articulating the applicable law,

identifying the applicable punishment.

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thank you for the clarification

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

Show "Grand Jury verdict faked? Don Paul a fraud?" by Jim Fetzer

Thank you so much for posting this...

Hopefully it will make the front page as it is very important. I was almost a part of the San Diego CGJ, but was unable to participate due to my schedule. I think there should be a "San Diego Citizens Grand Jury 2nd Edition." I'm up for it.

I second the motion for a

I second the motion for a 2nd edition

Show "Damn, this is one of the" by Mark Roberts

Hello Mr. Roberts...

You forgot to add Neeeener neeener NEEEEEEEEEEEENER! Check it out! You and Fetzer are in agreement. Like 2 peas in a pod. You guys looked cute together on Hardfire.

P.S. How high was the rubble pile of stacked/pancaked floors for the Towers, approx.? How about WTC 7? I can't seem to find a reliable source for this info and I know you are full of that is.

Excellent job of entirely missing the point Mark Roberts

Mark Roberts, you’ve done an excellent job of entirely missing the point. Did you read beyond the headline?

There were no Indictments because there was not a jury deliberation and there was not a presentment prepared by the jury. The prosecutor’s early announcement of “results” pre-empted those two essential activities.

This jury was apparently comprised of serious and well intentioned people (who may or may not have been “troofers”) and who had no intention of conducting a kangaroo court. That sounds like grounds for being hopeful about the likelihood that those individuals WILL do the work of finding probable cause.

Apparently those good citizens on the jury knew that it was the jury’s responsibility to produce a Presentment (that establishes probable cause)

Apparently those good citizens on the jury knew that it was NOT the prosecutor’s job to announce a list of “wanted” individuals, but to present the evidence against those individuals. (The fact that probable cause was not provided with that pre-emptive announcement probably only exacerbated the situation.)

Sounds to me like the Truth Movement is populated by proactive and honorable people, so I would not assume Mark Roberts’ perp friends are off the hook for good.

(Listen to the audio of the grand jury online. The evidence presented for controlled demolition was solid, linking that evidence to specific individuals …good start.)

My understanding

is that the citizens grand jury was most hesitant to indict specific individuals without better evidence. That is understandable, and also a function of the lack of subpoena power and contempt powers.

You have no idea what findings they were prepared to make. I think you have missed the point of their concerns completely.

Not quite

>>There were no Indictments because there was not a jury deliberation

I was there. The jury was asked if they wanted to deliberate following the days event, or wait until the next day. They chose to do it then, after the event. They went into the adjacent room and deliberated for some time - they took votes on each of the individuals. I saw no one saying anything like "remember everyone, this isn't the deliberations, we're doing that tomorrow," or "remember everyone, this is just a straw poll, not the real thing," or anything like that. There would be no reason to go and spend another hour and have a "discussion" with votes following that full day-long Grand Jury event if a) it was just 'for nothing' and b) there were no definitive plans for the group to remain together and sequestered, as is required for a jury deliberating. There is a reason that juries are sequestered when they deliberate, and that's what happened -- they were all in one room without the audience or cameras and votes were taken and completed. End of story.

key issue seems to be the presentment

Was there anyone else sequestered in that adjacent room other than the volunteer jury, perhaps someone playing the role of the prosecutor or an expert witness?

The key issue seems to be the presentment. Is there a presentment, linking the crimes to individuals? If so, I want to send that document to my local district attorney (…is the new one a Rovebot?), or my state attorney general, etc…

It seems like that kind of document would ultimately be the objective of such an event.

Results of the San Diego 9/11 Grand Jury

To see the final text of the findings -

Results of the San Diego 9/11 Grand Jury

Historic Result From San Diego Citizens' Grand Jury
On The Crimes Of September 11, 2001
In New York City
Jurors Vote To Charge Sixteen With
'Conspiracy To Commit Mass Murder' On 9/11/01