Here is a task challenge

I was an instructor at a vocational school. I found I had to first teach my adult students how to find and where to look for the answer to their question or problem. I also had to use layman terms so they would understand what I was teaching. So now I am trying to find out where I need to go to get an answer and thought that maybe someone else would be able to help. Here is what I am trying to find out:
Which floors of the two towers (wtc 1 & 2) had tenents on them and which floors were empty?

I am trying to find out if about every 3 floors were empty, because it looks like the scuibs were every 3 floors. This information might be an important point to support the information about the tenents having to move to different floors during the months prior to 9/11.

different subject: trying to find layman explanations.

Hot fires. Anyone thought about what is in an office? Plastic, Plastic and more plastic. Doesn't Plastic melt at a lower temperature? File cabinets are made of metal (very thin comparing it to beam), would they not have melted into a glob with the burnt paper ash inside the glob. Instead, we see paper all over the streets of that day? Explosives seem more likely seeing the paper all over.
Black Smoke equals Starving for Oxygen

Interesting point of view

Good questions. Hope you'll find what you need.

Drummerboy
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Just to note

A floor need not have been unoccupied for CD devices such as thermite anologs and explosive charges to have been placed there. In fact most of the heavy duty charges would be laced throughout the core of each building, as for blowing out the trusses that supported the floors from core to perimeter, these charges would be placed in the crawl space above the drop cieling, and below the floor pan of the floor above. As for every third floor or so, that sounds about right. If you find the information you are asking about I still think it will be important to see, I am just pointing out that occupancy has relatively little to to do with the process of placing the devices. In keeping with your train of thought however, you should find the interview Scott Forbes of Fiduciary Trust gave (I forget where it is but you can google it), he does mention that occupants were moved around in the months leading up to 9/11, and a mysterious dust that was seemingly everywhere each morning when he came to work, inexplicable bangs and thuds from the floor above his which was supposed to be empty, and the all too ominous power-downs, including the weekend of 9/8/2001.

Good luck in your research.

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sorry, didnt see your second part

I responded before the jump, sorry...

you also asked:
Hot fires. Anyone thought about what is in an office? Plastic, Plastic and more plastic. Doesn't Plastic melt at a lower temperature? File cabinets are made of metal (very thin comparing it to beam), would they not have melted into a glob with the burnt paper ash inside the glob. Instead, we see paper all over the streets of that day? Explosives seem more likely seeing the paper all over.
Black Smoke equals Starving for Oxygen

File cabinets made of metal (thin steel for example) do not have a lower melting temp as opposed to a thick beam, just the time needed would be shorter for the cabinet as opposed to the beam. The problem occurs when you have fires and fuel sources that cannot physically approach the temps needed to melt steel, as in the case of 9/11. Image trying to boil a pot of water on a stove whos flame never exceeds 150 degrees f. Will the water ever boil? Nope. Now take a regualar stove and two identical pots, fill one with 10 cups of water, fill the other with 1 cup, and turn on both flames to the same setting. Do they both eventually come to a boil? Yes. At the same time? No. The 1 cup version will boil sooner than the 10 cup version, but the prerequisite flame temp was present to make the water reach its boiling temp, unlike what we saw on 9/11 regarding hydrocarbon fires and structural steel. So the answer to your question about the cabinet melting is no, it would not melt.

Regarding the paper everywhere, I think this has to do more with the collapses, and the behavior of falling paper vs falling steel, but explosives play a part, I agree. Picture the floors being blown apart and office contents along with them. This would undoubtedly eject paper into the air or void of the building. Now all this material comes crashing to earth at freefall speeds, as the paper slowly descends due to air resistance and other factors, then the paper settles where it may. So we see steel, dust, some cars on fire, and this paper everywhere...well the paper came along some time after the devestation of the other materials settled.

Yes the fires were cooling and going out, evidenced by the darkening smoke over time, easily self-evident by watching archived news footage.

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Interview with Scott Forbes

Food for thought....

Originally posted by "Lyte Trip" on letsrollforums.com Feb 08, 2006

"How many people would it take to wire the wtc for demo?
http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12483&start=0&postd...

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Naturally the "contractors" or "tenants" that pulled this off would have been provided with the necessary security passes, uniforms, and cover story.

This is a September 1, 2000 security trade article that describes the typical security fare employed at the WTC. I love the timing of this article because it is post the 1993 bombing and so very close to the 911 attacks.

http://securitysolutions.com/mag/security_towering_team_leader/index.html

The article identifies the following:

- 45, 000 tenant/employees

- welcomes 5, 000 visitors a day

- 800 trucks every day

- More than 100, 000 people shop at its mall complex each day

- a total of 450 security personel.

Were all 450 of the security staff dedicated to the function of ferreting out what was coming into the building? How vigilant do you think they really were with the 45, 000 workers and the 800 trucks a day who visited?

The unadulterated truth of the matter is that the building was a sieve. Unless you were unaffiliated with any owner, manager or tenant, you really had a blank check to move in and out of the space with whatever your heart desired.

The security program

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[i]"Notable among the security improvements at the WTC has been state-of-the-art security in the parking garages...

Perimeter security is accomplished by 250 10, 000-pound planters, a movable gate for emergency access into plaza areas...

In the past three years, as the permanent capital improvement program nears completion, the extensive CCTV system has been integrated with both the perimeter and lobby access control systems...

Jump-over protection is supplied by a system of motion detectors, alarms and CCTV cameras. To facilitate access control for employees, individual tenants have been allowed to use the same Motorola card readers at the doors to their businesses as they use to gain lobby access. This makes a one-card access control system possible, and is another example of how customer relations and security are coordinated at the World Trade Center...

A network of copper and fiber optics connects the lobby, parking and perimeter access control systems to a main file server at the Security Command Center...

The WTC has also acquired emergency power from the State of New Jersey through the mid-Atlantic grid...With the emergency power source from New Jersey, the WTC now has four levels of power...

The WTC boasts an action-activated, high-resolution color CCTV system of covert and overt pan/tilt/zoom alarm-point cameras and the system's American Dynamics matrix switchers have been integrated with the security systems..."

"Today at the WTC, for instance, individual tenants are responsible for the security to their offices. But their systems' readers and cards have been made compatible with the complex's systems. "
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Remember, folks, this was the world's example of pre-911 good security... Everything mentioned was designed to identify only those activities unauthorized by any tenant. With 800 trucks every day at the WTC, does anyone reasonably believe that explosives could not be brought into the building by a tenant or series of "tenants" or contractors directly working for said tenants?"

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Interview with Scott Forbes

There is a modelling of

There is a modelling of possible bomb placements which also uses devices every 3 floors available at the link below.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911essays/technical%20essays/bomb%20layo...

The placement of bombs every 3 floors in this model is to sever 32 of the 47 core columns at their weld junctions.

It is an observable fact that most every core column section seen in the rubble was broken at or near their original welds.

These weld junctions were located every third floor and all 47 core columns had their weld junctions at the same elevations.

This is explained in other essays located at the same web site.

This model presented uses access to elevator shafts as a key component to the placement of devices and minimizes the need to enter open office space.

This model would be used with the placemant of additional devices near the 4 corners of the perimeter, which could explain most all the observed effects of the demolitions.

very interesting

The placement of bombs every 3 floors in this model is to sever 32 of the 47 core columns at their weld junctions.
It is an observable fact that most every core column section seen in the rubble was broken at or near their original welds.

I was watching a show about structural steel and engineering the other evening I was surprised when presented with the fact that the welded section of two steel beams is actually stronger than the original steel itself, something having to do with the welding process causing new, tighter, molecular bonds in the steel, compared to the unwelded, forged sections. Placing explosives at the strongest points makes sense, not to mention these welded crossing points also form a "house of cards effect" if the welds/weld points are removed.

I have been doing physics models of the wtc towers using the ODE Physics Engine, with a directx programming engine called DGDK.NET, in the environment of VB.NET (Visual Studio 2005 Pro .NET 2.0). I have done some simple models and tests to get the platform up to snuff to handle the amounts of objects involved in the sim, but so far it has been pretty good and I hope to have some videos to show soon. I did do a simple recreation of the Jones picture where you see two tower tops, one suspended above nothing, the other suspended above the rest of a tower, where the question is asked, "which will hit the ground first?". I can tell you that the physicists are correct :)

If I am able to make some useful demonstrations aside from that one above I will post the videos in a blog entry. -CR

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