Announcing the 9/11 Truth: Ready for Mainstream Weekend is hosting a series of speakers on September 8th, 9th and 11th at Cooper Union on the 8th & Sun. Sept. 9th and Ground Zero & Union Square Park on Tues. Sept. 11.

Details here;

The event is billed as "9/11 Truth: Ready For Mainstream!" and will coincide with other events taking place in NYC.

These events are complementary to other events going on in NYC rather than meant to duplicate or compete in any way.

When are people going to

When are people going to stop inviting Jim Fetzer to come talk about space beams? His appearance is going to taint what would otherwise be a great speaker line-up.

Jim Fetzer should'nt be given the option of talking space beams

I have come to believe that our dear Dr. Fetzer is actually a true patriot who has simply allowed himself to become excessively cynical and willing to believe almost anything. With that said the 911 Truth movement is obligated to discipline itself and not allow unfalsifiable and unsubstantiated theories to be broadcast as a possible truth.

There simply is no evidence for the use of Star Wars beam weapons in the destruction of the towers.

Fetzer and disinformation

Please read my paper in the Journal of 9/11 Studies: it is a paper on the subject of disinformation which quotes extensively one of the foremost experts on this subject, Jim Fetzer.

9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples;DefinitionsAnd...

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Fetzer is quite frustrating

Arabesque, I have read your 911 Disinformation and Misinformation paper several times.

However, Jim Fetzer is probably the most frustrating person I have come across in the 911 Truth movement. I actually am vacillating between whether he is a sophisticated deep mole or just a really easily swayed person who will believe any sort of nonsense that points to a conspiracy whether it is falsifiable or not.

I personally would prefer not to have him speak in light of his support of the nonsensical beam weapon and no planes theories. I thought he was being sidelined other than his own small conference in Madison,WI earlier this month. He was not at the Vancouver Conference as far as I could tell.



Thanks for taking the time to read my paper.

I think it can be said that speculations about who is and who is not an agent are not particularly constructive or fruitful since these details ultimately remain hidden from us. These considerations are not essential to determine whether the ideas someone presents are true or have merit.

However, I believe that destructive behavior should be called out. Some individuals certainly are more disruptive than others.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Jim Fetzer

isn't the only taint on that lineup...

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I'm curious.....

Who else in this line-up do you find to be questionable, if you don't mind my asking?

I know Kevin Barret is (overly?) tolerant of the Space Beam crowd, but I can reluctantly overlook that to a certain extent, as I have spent time with him and believe that he sincerely strives to be a unifier and not a divider....(although I have had correspondance with him about the possible COINTELPRO tactics:..."keep people debating the "how" JFK/911 happened, instead of focusing on activism, etc."..... that may be at work with regard to the Space Beamers)...

BTW, I'm a big fan of your activism and have a great deal of appreciation for your contributions to the movement....that's why I'm asking.....I would appreciate knowing if I need to reassess anyone in that lineup...based on somthing I don't know...or if it's just an honest difference of opinion. Thanks for all you do; I know it has been both an inspiration and example to many....


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No problem

Certainly I wish it didn't have to be me to speak up but since no one else does...

For starters, this event is being organized by someone (Les Jamieson) who (along with Frank Morales) spent the better part of the past year trying to smear Luke Rudkowski and We Are Change as "cointelpro" (using that exact word, repeatedly). They did this in a highly public fashion until way too many people knew Luke from his actions for that shit to fly at all. I have a BIG problem with that.

Then we have Alfred Webre, who along with his cohort Leuren Moret appeared on the scene seemingly out of the blue right before the Vancouver conference with a huge PR push for what purported to be a document calling for an international tribunal on 9/11 but was instead a fairly transparent attempt to inject spacebeam madness into our agenda for justice. The two of them have recently been making radio appearances with Wood and Reynolds. Webre has also taken to rabidly attacking those who do not wish to accommodate these shenanigans.

Here's a fun interview with Mr Webre:

I'll go ahead and stop there, that should garner me enough hate mail for one week.

btw, thanks for the kind words :)

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I'm speaking of what I have witnessed first hand

And quite a bit of it is well documented, ie the messages, emails and open letters that Jamieson and Morales sent out, repeatedly making these accusations of "Cointelpro" (I witnessed Jamieson doing it first hand in Arizona), insinuating that We Are Change is a potentially violent group and going so far as to send notices about We Are Change to the NYPD.

And this is leaving aside the involvement with Urantia and the distribution of Criminal Politics magazine.

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Spin it however you like

I note that you're not actually denying any of these items...

But the most relevant point here is that he's now hosting a 6th anniversary conference called Ready for the Mainstream featuring Jim Fetzer and a guy who claims to be an expert on extraterrestrial civilizations.

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When are people...

Going to commit to promoting the best information possible (which requires more than just watching a few movies, but several hours devoted to really researching the works of people like Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson, and others), doing their best not to come across as lunatics, supporting the 9/11 family members, supporting the 9/11 first responders, and STOP inviting idiots to be put front and center to promote their idiocy, and realize that credibility behind our message is EVERYTHING?

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We have the proof--now we want Justice

We HAVE the proof. We don't need to SPECULATE about anything. Defenders of the official account should be embarrassed by the amount of verified evidence we have accumulated. It's a mountain.

“Does their speculation get us any closer toward building a nationwide political movement and arresting the 9-11 plotters? Or is it a divisive strawman that will isolate us from the mainstream media and average Americans? …Suddenly it appears the controlled demolition, WTC 7, NORAD stand down, hijacking drills, war games, ‘Angel is Next’ call to Bush, living hijackers, double-agent hijackers, CIA insider put options, and ‘al-Qaeda’ links to Anglo-American intelligence are not enough. Now every researcher has their own pet theory about no planes, no hijackers, no phone calls, no Pentagon Boeing, and no flight 93 crash (they claim it landed it Cleveland and the wreckage in Shanksville was, you guessed it, planted).” Dan Abramson

"“Watching the ‘In Plane Site’ video turned me (and many others) away from 9-11 "theories" initially—until I found serious researchers, scientists looking at hard evidences, and avoiding tenuous speculations.” Steven Jones

“Why no discussion of Building 7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein? Why no discussion of the hijackers being trained by the US government? Lt. Colonel Steve Butler of the Monterey Defense Language Institute was suspended from duty after he accused Bush of allowing 9/11 to happen. Why no discussion of the NORAD stand down? Because none of these issues are honey pots, none of them are speculation because the cards are laid out on the table for everyone to see and the evidence is clear.” Alex Jones

"“This is one important reason to reject the 'big tent' mentality. The core of this movement, its facts and priorities have not changed. We have established probable cause to suspect government complicity. Anything detracting from this case or its promotion is not a part of the truth movement. In other words, the movement hasn't ever really split. There is another movement, adopting our themes, that has no particular dedication to the truth. I'll call them the ‘9/11 speculation movement.’” Truthmove

Speculating while proving nothing when we have real evidence to prove an inside job and show that the 9/11 official story is ludicrously false is a diversion that suits the perpetrators just fine:

"Speculate, while we continue our wars of aggression planned long before 9/11, kill innocent civilians indiscriminately, steal oil, plan additional synthetic terror attacks under the guise of war-game exercises, make billions for war profiteers, destroy the constitution because the ‘terrorists’ hate our freedoms, terrorize the world with blatantly and stunningly fake propaganda, commit impeachable offenses including treason, engage in other illegal/unethical activities, illegal wars, and our neo-conservative ‘project for a new American Century’."

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality." showing problematic documentary is showing " "Social Engineering - The Politics of Fear" Part 2, today. However, this documentary has received serious and (apparently - I haven't seen it) legitimate criticism from media lens. I very much encourage all 911 truth groups to delve into disinformation and social engineering, but I hope that they do so in a serious way.

Towards this end, I hope that they clearly state state media lens' complaints, which can be found here:

It would be quite an object lesson should it be the case that exposes of social engineering are themselves partly disinfo, and thus serve a social engineering object.

Finally, I think all activist groups should look into the history of how big players have co-opted various activist groups. By the same coin, all activist groups should be interested in bypassing our current corrupted media - which is the supreme social engineering tool.

My media bypass boilerplate:

>> Putting the NY Times Out of Business <<
Proposal to replace ALL corrupt media

I have posted a proposal on the Randi Rhodes show forum for replacing our current media with a new, sustainable media that facilitates the selection of "filtering agents". You can think of these as honest gatekeepers that YOU trust - and that keep out trivial information, rather than very important information that groups with economic and other hidden agendas prefer to hide from you.

Broadband access is now up to 42% in the US, so it is quite possible to target TELEVISION, which is how about 48% of Americans get 30+ minutes of news per day (as opposed to only about 9% over the internet). See

The thread is entitled: "Putting the NY Times Out of Business"
The thread is subtitled: "Proposal to replace ALL corrupt media"