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Using History Channel and Other 'Debunkers' to Identify Our Strengths and Use Them to Pursue Justice

I watched the History Channel program "The 9-11 Conspiracies" and it was one of the more wide-ranging 'debunking' efforts so far. This is a good sign. One guy ludicrously dropped 'theory' from its normal place in the epithet, and would just talk about the conspiracies abounding on the internet- 9-11 Blogger's not laundering drug money is it? They even brought up Mineta's testimony, about which Coburn from Popular Mechanics had no flippant response to other than wishing there would soon be some official response to it. We all know that there won't be until there are indictments and summonses.

Meanwhile, attempts at serious and thorough debunking efforts, although many times annoying and venomous, signal to us that we are getting closer to "breaking through." They also can give us a sense of what our strongest evidence is and what is our most contentious, stickiest and weakest "strawman" information. A clear sign that something is difficult to refute is that it won't even be mentioned. When an attempt is made to debunk one part of a theory or set of evidence and not another part, you can bet that the part that has been left out is very strong material that they can't deal with or don't want people to even think about in the first place.

Here is a short list of information pertinent to 9-11 Truth that was almost completely excluded in the History Channel piece:
-War games mimetic of the day's events (NRO plane crash drill, Joint Chiefs/NORAD live-fly hijack drill Vigilant Warrior/Guardian)
-Whistle Blowers such as Sibel Edmonds, Colleen Rowley and Robert Wright
-Threat against Bush and Airforce One- "Angel is Next"
-Able Danger
-Contentiousness over the fact, face and practice of the 9-11 Commission itself
-Anthrax attacks after the fact targetting potential political and journalistic opposition or 'problems'

Here is a short list of information that was only patially addressed:
-Historical precedent- they only brought up Pearl Harbor and not USS Liberty, Lusitania, Reichstag Fire/Gleiwitz Radio Station,
Operation Ajax, Northwoods, Tonkin Gulf, Gladio
-Demolitions-they didn't bring up pyroclastic flow, horizontal ejections of tons of steel, much of full shots of Building 7 being demolished,
Dr. Jones' thermate analysis (he got very little time, so he must be difficult to deal with), Willie Rodriguez's testimony
-Dancing Mossad Agents-they of course played the 'Da Joos Did It" card, but left out that workers for the Israeli company Odigo got text
messages a bit before the attack (reported in Ha'aretz) and celebrating Mossad agents who later admitted they were there
to document the event. Being Jewish myself, I find it horrifically disingenuous the way they play the anti-semitic card,
especially since the War on Terror itself is anti-semitic, being that Arabs are technically semitic people
-The fact the Pentagon got hit at all and where it got hit- they spent a ton of time on the debate about what hit the Pentagon
-Motives-They covered PNAC, but didn't touch Brezinski's "Grand Chessboard" or Straussian notions of enemy images
-Cheney in the PEOC-they surprisingly brought up Mineta's testimony regarding the anomolous orders that Cheney reconfirmed as a
plane approached, but couldn't quite deal with it so proceeded to hollow shots @ "conspiracy theories." They didn't,
however, bring up the timeline conflicts implicit in Mineta's and Richard Clarke's testimony. Either the two of them are lying
or mistaken about when Cheney was in the PEOC or Cheny himself and the Commission are lying or mistaken. This is a
serious conflict of narrative and easily shown and potentially cleared up if there is no "there there" as in the Zelikowtian
Universe

Here is a list of evidence and/or theories that are weaker and/or sticky:
-The question of what hit the Pentagon
-Flight 93 and its lack of physical evidence
-Cell phones, telephone calls and voice mimicry technology, or anything that directly conflicts with a family member's experience
-any theories that fixate solely on physical evidence
-any politically simplistic theories such as "Bush did it"

Another thing we need to think through is the psychological aspect of all this. The 'debunkers' always offer up a cheap pop-psychology explanation of our addiction to secret knowledge and simple, soothing explanations. The absurdity of saying that the belief that elements of our own government were responsible for the largest terrorist attack in history is supposed to be comforting is still striking to me. It points to the fact that we need to thoroughly outline our 'debunkers' psychological flaws and motivations for all to see. Such as, they don't have the courage to face up to the hard historical facts that implicate their own impotence.

In conclusion, we must use Popular Mechanics, The History Channel, www.911myths.com, www.screwloosechange.blogspot.com to winnow down to what is most powerful in our argument. The time for speculation is over. We have what we need. No further fractious dialogues about pods, planes or no planes (Pentagon and otherwise), phone calls, dead or alive highjackers is going to help us do the diffficult work ahead of pushing Justice on through. Yes, the full truth is important, but some things we will never know for sure or hash out fully until we get people into courtrooms and/or a real, independent investigation. It is now time for focus, discipline and creativity of method. We have the Satya (Truth) we need. We can and must more fully apply its Graha (Power). Let's burn the straw men and use the light of the fire to illuminate our bedrock of Truth.

Go For What We Know

You are 100% correct in chewing up the meat & spitting out the bones.

Amen to that. Also...

"The absurdity of saying that the belief that elements of our own government were responsible for the largest terrorist attack in history is supposed to be comforting."

This still striking me too. We must always emphasize that "Islamo-facists did it because they hate our freedom" is way more psychologically comforting.

Here are a few more things that the History Channel left out.

In 1998 the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey issued a press release announcing the first successful landing at Newark Airport of a commercial aircraft with the new Global Positioning System technology.
http://www.panynj.gov/pr/128-98.html

3 days later they issued another press release announcing a "Historic Shift" and put the Trade Center on the market for sale.
http://www.panynj.gov/pr/133-98.html

They didn't get into any of the reasons why the World Trade Center was considered white elephants and how they had planned to deconstruct the buildings in the late 1980s.

I don't recall them even mentioning Willie Rodriguez's testimony about the explosion from below prior to the 1st plane impact.

The fact that a Cleveland newspaper reported the United 93 made a safe landing due to a bomb scace in the Cleveland airport and as the passengers left the plane were sent into another building.

That the original American Airlines schedules for 9/11/2001 did not have a Flight 77 nor a Flight 11 listed.

That the tail number for Flight 93 had been reported being seen as another Flight after 9/11.

The never went into the complex legislation that appeared and was passed shortly after 9/11, such as the Patriot Act.

The never went into why none of the insurance companies did their own investigations and paid the claims based on the original 19 hijackers crashing passenger planes into the towers or why Mr. Silverstein only insured the Complex for about half of what the insurance agent that he hired recommended. And after the court awarded him damages based on the false and misleading documents, he went back to court and tried to have the damages doubled (2 flights in 2 towers = 2 incidents). He won that one but the insurance companies appealed the double the amount.

Nor the memtion that the government passed the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act to provide the insurance industry a new product to sell.

"The 'debunkers' always

"The 'debunkers' always offer up a cheap pop-psychology explanation of our addiction to secret knowledge and simple, soothing explanations. The absurdity of saying that the belief that elements of our own government were responsible for the largest terrorist attack in history is supposed to be comforting is still striking to me. It points to the fact that we need to thoroughly outline our 'debunkers' psychological flaws and motivations for all to see. Such as, they don't have the courage to face up to the hard historical facts that implicate their own impotence."

This is a very good point,. and since the defenders of the obserd OCT drew first blood with the psychological attackes,. i.e. that 'consperacy theorists' are only tring to 'create' mentaly plesent explinations, to make themselves feel better,. I think we should indeed focuss on the psychology of holding to the OCT given the lack of logic or evidence for it,. It seems that they were counting on that fact that it would be more 'mentaly pleasing' to simply place blame on 'islamofascists' an easy target for mistrust and hatred,. especially by fundamentalist christians a group they activily court,. likely for this reason.
If we can look deeply into this psychology of creating a villian group to scapegoat,. and the lack of any evidence to support scapegoating them,. we may be able to brake down some of their web of lies and mindcontrol schemes., the difficulty is that the human mind does seem to like the idea of the simplest evil doer to blame,. the constent barage of negative sterio-typing in the endless 'terrorist' media propoganda, often fully unrelated to 9/11 or any other real issue is what needs to be broken,. its not the 9/11 facts,. its the fomenting of hatred of this 'group' of evil-doers,. people are being told over and over and over and over again,. the evil america-hating-terrorist are to blame for everything wrong in the world,. and they choose to belive its really THEM and not US.
What is the way out of that head game? We need to find one.

Write them!

That's sad.

We should of course write the history channel and tell them what we think.

More importantly, we should write their sponsors. Preferebly writing sponsors and CC:ing the History Channel. Nothing scares networks as much as the idea of losing sponsors.

Does anybody know any of their major sponsors?

What we saw lastnight...

Were the death throws of the mainstream media.
The History Channel will forever be known as the Propaganda Channel.

Frankly I was happy with the hit piece. The videos of the twin towers exploding and WTC7 were great.

Hey Hurst! You forgot to mention: http://governmentterror.com/#%5B%5BWorld%20Trade%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%...

5million viewers.... at least 1/4 of which didn't know about WTC7.... lol.

Can someone please post a full quality mpeg2?

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.

No response to Mineta ?

Anybody else ever thought about WHY he "resigned" ?
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"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya

"conspiracy stuff’ is now shorthand for unspeakable truth

“The media, never much good at analysis, are more and more breathless and incoherent. On CNN, even the stolid Jim Clancy started to hyperventilate when an Indian academic tried to explain how Iraq was once our ally and ‘friend’ in its war against our Satanic enemy Iran. ‘None of that conspiracy stuff,’ snuffed Clancy. Apparently, ‘conspiracy stuff’ is now shorthand for unspeakable truth.” Gore Vidal, October 27, 2002

Good analysis. I agree completely that there is deliberate targeting of the weaknesses of the 9/11 truth movement. This is THE strategy of the MSM and it will ALWAYS be the strategy of the MSM. Imagine what would happen if we ditched all of the claims we couldn't prove conclusively? The MSM would have to actually answer some real arguments for a change.

The MSM “conspiracy theory” straw-man formula is described by Jim Hoffman:
“Identify and attack a series of claims [asserted to] represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism… [give] the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account… Entirely [ignore] vast bodies of evidence showing that only insiders had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack.”

No Speculation Required: 9/11 Was an Inside Job
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/07/no-speculation-required-911-was...

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

>> The time for speculation

>> The time for speculation is over. We have what we need.

Amen.

It's useful to make a list of strong evidence and then find the arguments on 9/11 myths and refute those (generally, not linking to that site).

It's critical for the 9/11 community to come to agreement on strong evidence. Personally, when you really look into Able Danger, I tend to wonder how that can expose that they "made" 9/11 happen. It is tangential.

The strongest point on how 9/11 was made to happen is B7. Others close are the standdown/Mineta, put options, etc.

Do the work to look up things like "angel is next." Where is the evidence for that and how strong is it? I've seen on person who has looked at it say it is very weak.

See -

Top Anomalies
Selected Anomalies in the Official Account of 9/11/01
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/topanomalies.html

These are seriously considered and researched, not just listed points. Each of these needs more research but our time is being spent defending and debating what hit the Pentagon instead.

Able Danger is part of the big picture

"It's critical for the 9/11 community to come to agreement on strong evidence. Personally, when you really look into Able Danger, I tend to wonder how that can expose that they "made" 9/11 happen. It is tangential."

The CIA owns Al Qaeda. They have since the 1980's during the afghan wars. The ISI is an arm of the CIA which funds the organization. Al Qaeda is a US run and sponsored operation used to smuggle drugs and disrupt the middle east. CIA sponsored state destabilization has been going on for years (see also Gladio, Alex Jones' Terror Storm). I believe Bin Laden even has ties to the Iran Contra Affair.

Al Qaeda is a propaganda tool used to further US interests. It is currently being used to destabilize Iran.

U.S. Government Uses Al-Qaeda To Attack Iran
Bush authorizes group formerly headed by alleged 9/11 mastermind to be bankrolled & armed by CIA for covert regime change
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/280507usesalqaeda.htm

Able Danger is part of the big picture, and is part of understanding "MIHOP" since Al-Qaeda is directly controlled by US sponsored interests.

This is why several of the "terrorists" were found training on US airbases. I'll add that to my "incompetence" paper I'm working on!

During 9/11 they functioned purely as patsies, but they are also used for other things such as "expendable" intelligence assets. Mental instability is a hallmark of these assets, which makes them ideal for patsy missions (see Richard Reid shoe bomber).

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Agreed

I couldn't agree more with what you say in this reply, Arabesque. Granted, it may be difficult in the space of brief TV interview segments to show the relevance of Able Danger in understanding what really happened, but I agree that it is not at all 'tangential' to that understanding.

Great Blog!

You wrote exactly what i was thinking last night. I also feel the need to say that a huge omission was the fight of the Jersey Girls. Other then that, I am 100% behind you!

PJ
Ann Arbor Truth and Freedom
http://www.annarbor911truth.com
*My Views Do Not Necessarily Reflect The Views of The Group I Am A Part Of

Great Blog - I agree and to

Great Blog - I agree and to a larger extent I believe this highlights the importance to focus our attention to salient points and topics rather then perpetuating the "Divergent Thinking" process that many of the most controversial researchers *cough* promote.

The time for turning over even more stones is over - lets face it, its been 71 Months since 9/11. Continueing to go in circles is not going to focus attention.

The 9/11 Truth movement has become a large force in the last couple of years, it is time to concentrate that force to a few of the strongest topics and push forward. In this way the movement (force) becomes more effective, much like the difference between Stiletto Heels verses sneakers, the force is concentrated over a smaller area and thus yields greater pressure to affect change.

The time for Divergent Thinking is over - Time for Convergent Thinking.