MN C.H.A.N.G.E talks to Al Franken about 9/11 at the 2007 Minnesota State Fair
justanidea Mon, 08/27/2007 - 3:24am
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MN C.H.A.N.G.E talks to Al Franken about 9/11 at the 2007 Minnesota State Fair
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Great job guys!
Great job guys!
Well Done!
So typical -- He doesn't believe you, but he hasn't looked at any of the evidence?! Al was speechless. He said he would look at the evidence. I hope you hold him to it and follow up with him. I grew up in Minneapolis -- Minnesota State Fair -- what a great place for a 9/11TRUTH SQUAD!! Thank you for doing this!
I'll second what Crystal said......
except the part about Minn. I'm in SC. Great job and please keep it up!
It's great that you guys have the courage to approach
these people, but you really need (a) more organized talking points, and (b) more talking points that don't involve controlled demolition.
Even if you think CD is the smoking gun and obvious to prove, you have to consider your audience. Someone like Franken may respond better to the FACT that NORAD generals perjured themselves before the 9/11 Commission, or the fact that the Family Steering Committee had most of its questions ignored (and wants a new investigation), or the fact that 2/3 of NYC residents want a new investigation.
These talking points are far less confrontational to a politician, because they deal with (a) an incontrovertible instance of breaking the law (perjury), (b) an incontrovertible instance of defying the victims of 9/11, and (b) an incontrovertible instance of public opinion.
I appreciate the strength of your belief in CD, and I certainly appreciate your courage, but I really think you need to be more strategic with these politicians. You have to give them a noncontroversial reason to reconsider 9/11.
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ditto.
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More important than that
Imo, would be to educate him about False Flag events throughout history.
That they tend to be the norm, rather than the exception.
And then list most of them quickly from the 1700's to now with a few major details of each.
I would start with The Boston Tea Party, since that is a well-known one for most Americans.
(although some might argue that it wasn't necessarily a False Flag event because the Colonials weren't trying to blame it on the Indians, per se, and trying to get them in trouble.... or were they?)
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al franklin is not a fool
he knowns exactly what happened on 911 and he knows, as all sane and non willfully ignorent people
do ,that 911 was most certainly a false flag operation with an agenda of gopolitical goals and domestic citizen
monitoring that is obvious to all but the most deeply stupid, As a political and media voice i consider him complicit in the coverup of the 911 false flag
mass murders on 911 . i consider him to share responsibility for what machinations have come to fruition since the 911 event.
your either with us or your with the false flag terrorists murderers, we`re waiting al.
I am tending more
and more these days to feel exactly like you, picapeli
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Love it:
"....you're either with us or you're with the false flag terrorists murderers...."
Exactafuckinlutely.
(Well, once you've been exposed to the evidence, at least)
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This is the world we live in..........
and these are the hands we're given....
Use them and let's start trying.....
to make this a place worth living in......
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I too find it very difficult to believe that a sharp, learned,
progressive guy like Franken has no clue that 9/11 was an inside job.
I ask people who somehow don't understand the obvious implications of controlled demolition at WTC-7, how in the world could a hijacked airliner slam into the Pentagon of all places, long after other hijacked airliners slammed into the WTC no less, without being either: intercepted, rendezvous with, chased, followed, videoed, or even seen by our trillion-dollar air defenses???
I get what you are saying nut....
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt! Maybe he just hasn't looked at it closely yet! At least I hope that's the case.
Al Franken is busy trying to
Al Franken is busy trying to be the next useless Senator from Minnesota. hes been gunning for this job for the past couple of years now, hes not going to screw that up by talking about 9/11 in any real, substinative way. and its not about controlled demolition in my opinion, you could have asked him about the wire transfer to Atta from the ISI and he would have reacted basically the same way because both are absent from the 9/11 Commission Report. hes a politician now, in fact hes worse in some ways because hes trying to become a politician which means hes going to censor himself even more than if he already had the job. hes going to be as careful as possible until he gets elected. and when he does he will still likely be useless because he wants to keep the job and bring some cash to his state(which is obviously no excuse to stay silent). in short, the man is a coward. after watching Franken try and turn himself into a legit politician(hes legit now, the guy bullshits with the best of them)over the past 2 years its obvious to me he has no guts and never will.
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You're probably right
but where does that leave us? Fatalism?
What you seem to be saying is don't bother interrogating any of these politicians.
Maybe the questioning is futile, but if they aren't challenged in public they will always feel secure in their lies. We have to ask questions, no matter how hopeless it seems.
oh no, i didnt mean to imply
oh no, i didnt mean to imply that at all. i applaud getting these people on the record if nothing else. i should have pointed that out before, i did come off as a bit fatalistic. im all about confronting them and letting them know they are being watched and that not all americans are asleep. im hopeless that Al Franken and other politicians like him will ever lead on the 9/11 issue but im not hopeless that eventually the truth will become self evident and people like him will have to explain their silence(or worse in the case of Cockburn,Monbiot,McCain etc.) away. careers will be ruined hopefully, in the media and in politics. great effort on the part of the questioner to get another one on record, no doubt.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I just sent Al a note
This is the guy who wrote Lies and the Lying Liars...and hasn't investigated the 9/11 Truth movement?
Maybe he needs a few more letters to prompt him to pay attention before he goes running for a seat in the Senate.
http://www.alfranken.com/page/s/contact
If you want to convince Franken,
I'd suggest handing him a copy of DRG's "The 9/11 Comission Report: Omissions and Distortions".
Franken always refers to the 9/11 Comission in glowing terms. He needs to have his eyes opened to the massive flaws in the Comission Report.
Even if everyone in the
Even if everyone in the world knew 911 was an inside job, there are still only so many people who feel really passionate about it like we all do. I now believe, after conducting my own little test over the last year or so, that many more people than we think do know the truth about 911. They simply do not care that much. Which ultimately is stupid since the repercussions of letting them get away with it will be the ruin of our lives as we know it. But most people can't see that far ahead and they don't want to either.
As for Al, he's too scared to come on board. So is Michael Moore and Bill Maher and the list goes on and on. Wimps. Plane and simple.
Complacency
I agree it seems like people don't care. I think the better description would be complacency. Here's the definition from dictionary.com,
" a feeling of quiet pleasure or security, often while unaware of some potential danger, defect, or the like; self-satisfaction or smug satisfaction with an existing situation, condition, etc."
In my experience, among some of my more intelligent, politically aware friends, there is acceptance that the world is a more dangerous place because of Bush/Cheney and even acceptance that 9/11 was very likely an inside job, but they are reluctant to look any deeper in to the issue. Their lives are very comfortable and un-complicated and they don't want to disturb that comfort zone so, just like putting off an unpleasant task or decision, they avoid dealing with it until it becomes crisis.
I agree that there are a lot more people who agree 9/11 was an inside job than openly admit it, but they need a crisis before they will act or even speak out. Then it may be too late. I don't think it was a lot different in 1933 or any other time authoritarian rule was stealthily enacted.
All we can do is continue to inform people and ask them to do their own research just like we all did. That includes researching the debunkers and see who's version holds up to common sense and laws of science and physics.
good work!
yes good job on putting a dvd in the mans hands,. and yes you would do well to work out some more talking points,. saying the same stuff over and over is not too convincing and is a bit annoying,. don't take that the wrong way, we love you and apreciate what you just did there it is said as CONSTRUCTIVE criticisim,. peace!
I do agree that more people really do know the truth than are letting on,. I think they are fence-sitting and waiting for 'others' to push ahead so they don't have to risk the reputation and loss of possible work, and friends, etc. HOWEVER if enouph of us 'little people' keep pushing them at some point they can not pretend any longer,. keep at them anyone you see as an agent of influance in culture, media, news, anywhere!
Franken probably knows
Al has my copy of Webster Tarpley's 9-11 Synthetic Terror, I handed it to him at a campaign stop in Bemidji. We spoke a bit about Mike Malloy leaving Air America after interviewing Tarpley. He didn't offer much on that. We also spoke about NSPD 51, I showed him the white house press release and he said " this is a plan for martial law" so...he's certainly not clueless but clearly not ready to jump across publicly to 9-11 skepticism. Great job WE ARE CHANGE. I am inspired by this tactic. Still, I think it's best to stick with wargames and drills, or rather than bicker with him just show him the list or architects and engineers, now including former NIST official Dr James Quintiere who calls for a new inquiry. My 2 cents.
another great confrontation
another great confrontation here, the guy gets so angry when its suggested that "al qaeda" may not have killed his friend(he plays that card hard and actually screams at the guy):
Minnesota Congressman Believes Friend's Death Proves al Qaeda Not Demolition Felled Towers
Rep. Ramstad Gets Lukewarm Response for His Endorsement of the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Proposal, Pleads Ignorance on Carlyle Group's Existence During Town Hall Meeting Packed with 9/11 Truthers
Congressman Jim Ramstad (R-MN) took audience questions at a recent Town Hall Meeting in Minnesota where he was greeted by a number of citizens supportive of a new 9/11 investigation.
A man who identified himself as a pilot and engineer explained his conclusion that controlled demolition was the only logical explanation for the collapse of the Twin Towers-- based upon a number of factors including the speed of the collapse, the fact that steel at ground zero was still molten after two months and the widespread pulverization of concrete, bodies and debris found in the rubble.
Ramstad couldn't dismiss the articulate and polite calls for a new investigation outright, so he deflected with a general appraisal of free speech, snidely adding that it allowed for even "outlandish" statements.
Though the man supported his belief that the towers were demolished with rational arguements laid out logically, Ramstad countered with an emotional appeal to what he emphasized was his friend's death on 9/11 as though it somehow indicated that al Qaeda was involved.
Approximately one-third of those at the meeting also made it clear to Ramstad that they too were convinced al Qaeda was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
Others in the crowd were more critical, blurting out that it was "Baker and the Carlyle Group" to which Rep. Ramstad unbelievably replied "I don't know who the Carlyle Group is."
When someone else began to explain the connections between the Bushes, the Carlyle Group and the bin Laden family, Ramstad quipped that they were "planning the 9/11 conspiracy, right?"
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/280807_ramstad_911.html
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