Open Thread

We've been getting a fair number of submissions for off-topic blog entries regarding the election, North American Union, Ron Paul, etc. We'd like to keep the bulk of the posts on-topic, so here's an open thread for you to discuss these other subjects further ...

did you hear the one about

did you hear the one about the nukes that got flown across the country thus violating international treaties? oh wait, thats not a joke it actually happened.....

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

...but we can be reasonably

...but we can be reasonably assured that it really was a cock-up and not a psy-ops or potential false-flag because the dumb bastard actually got fired.

HA! exactly right, heads are

HA! exactly right, heads are rolling this time at least to some degree. also, Gates never did seem as "hands on" as Rumsfeld. not that hes a good guy or anything.....

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Or was it a shot over the bow?

An unprecedented transfer, nothing like it has happened before, some might be held responsible for it....tells me that this might have been an attempt at warning those in the know that the Neocons are preparing to nuke Iran (speculation)...the nukes were slated to be dismantled and maybe were planned to have been "sneaked" out to the Middle East from the jump off base...

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im not gonna lie, some

im not gonna lie, some pretty crazy scenarios went through my head when i first heard about this, based on how fucked up things are today its hard not to speculate about how and why something like this would happen and if theres more to it than just a basic mistake(kind of a big and dangerous mistake right?). theres really no way of knowing either way though. we all know that Cheney isnt above nuking Iran though, hes already on record saying thats an option.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

911 Phase II?

The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08.


US Air Combat Command has ordered a complete stand down on September 14, 2007

The story linked to by this article used to contain a statement that the entire US Air Combat Command would stand down on the 14th to investigate procedures. That comment has apparently been removed at the source.

there is a sort of link between all these stories I feel.and this one.

and this also note the base name.

Exercise prepares BAFB for natural disaster

by Stephanie Bemrose
The Bombardier

8/30/2007 - BARKSDALE AIR FORCE BASE, La. -- Barksdale units discussed their roles in the event of a severe weather crisis situation during a table-top major accident response exercise Wednesday, the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

Team Barksdale members discussed what each base agency would do in preparation for and response to a tornado, according to Maj. Brett Wilkinson, chief of wing exercises.

According to Major Wilkinson, the primary goal of the exercise is to help agencies learn to work together during an accident.

"We need to make sure we know what the other agencies would do during these situations, so throughout the year, we go through different scenarios such as natural disasters, terrorist attacks and aircraft accidents," the major said.

One agency that participated in the exercise is the 2d Bomb Wing Public Affairs, who prepared for the exercise by working with the Delaware Air National Guard public affairs office, according to 1st Lt. Frank Hartnett, deputy chief of the bomb wing's public affairs.

"Three years ago a tornado struck the Delaware Air National Guard base," Lieutenant Hartnett said. "We've been using their real-word experience to better understand what the commander will need to communicate after a tornado."

Major Wilkinson also said the exercise included an emphasis on command and control.

"It's just making sure the right information gets sent up and therefore people can react to that proper communication and provide the necessary help and assistance the first time, every time," the major explained.

During the exercise, public affairs stood ready to provide this communication.

"Keeping people informed is difficult after a major weather disaster, but it can play a big role in helping the recovery effort," the lieutenant added. "If a major storm were to strike Barksdale, the outside community would be very concerned. They'd want to see how we would respond and overcome challenges after a storm. We need to be ready to show our neighbors how we can overcome obstacles and be ready to help defend this country."

Other than the MARE to prepare for the airshow in April, base agencies last participated in a MARE with a suspicious package scenario.

The next MARE is scheduled for Oct. 3 and will include a field exercise.

Syria 'fires on Israel warplanes'

The Syrian army said Thursday that its air defenses fired on an Israel Air Force warplane that entered Syria airspace and "dropped ammunition," the country's official news agency reported.

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Good luck and best wishes everyone !!!

PLEASE HELP - UK 7/7 Family Members and Truth Movement

Need a DIGG and a bit of publicity


07-Sep-2007 - UK Ministers Reject 7 July Inquiry

The government has officially confirmed it will not hold a public inquiry into the 7 July London bombings. Survivors and relatives of those killed have received a letter from government lawyers outlining their position.

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Please could you spend a moment or two to DIGG this article, it really needs to be seen !!!

If you could pass it around that would be AWESOME...

Please help the UK get the full inquiry that they have been waiting over two years for.

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Many thanks and best wishes, the UK thanks you

completely disgusting

completely disgusting question by Chris Wallace with a great response by Paul(these republican debates are easily the most disturbing thing you can watch on mainstream tv today. the questions, the crowd reaction, the fear mongering, the laughter at and obvious disdain for the only rational voice there etc.):

In response to the false notion that there would be a “bloodbath” if we just pulled out, Paul quickly reminded everyone that the same people speculating that there would be a bloodbath are the same people who said Iraq would be a “cakewalk” and a “slam dunk.” He then correctly pointed out the faulty logic that says we need to stay for stability when it is widely reported that our presence on the Arabian Peninsula is what prompted the attacks of 911. The response from Chris Wallace was to pose his own follow up question which was, “So you are saying you would take your marching orders from al Qaeda?”

"Are you kidding me? The inherent bias in the question was disgusting during a debate forum and Chris Wallace revealed himself as nothing but a whore for the machine and not a credible newsperson. Thankfully, Dr. Paul was up to the task by responding that he would take his marching orders from the Constitution."

As soon as the debate was over, Giuliani and Hannity were busy attempting to mock Congressman Paul with more sophomoric barbs.

The desperation of the Neo-Cons and the establishment to ridicule Ron Paul again highlights the sheer terror that they are experiencing in light of the fact that a real candidate communicating about real issues is putting the rest of the shills to shame.

By continuing to smear, lie about and dismiss the Congressman, Hannity, Fox and their ilk are nervously praying that they can keep the lid on the Ron Paul Revolution and prevent the Texan from breaking into the vaunted "top tier" and obliterating the bought and paid for competition.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

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"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

The John Birch Society

Yesterday on Ed Schultz he had the President of the John Birch Society (Forgot his Name) on air to talk about this Mexican Trucker issue and how Mexican truckers will lead to fewer good jobs for the middle class.

I think Ed's Jaw nearly hit the ground when the guy explained that this is just one piece of a large multi-generational conspiracy to erode National Identity. and establish a NWO. He explained that the CFR and the globalist have taken control of this country mentioning on air the terms " New World Order" and One world government. and he ofcourse supported Ron Paul for '08. The website is

I thought it was great and ofcourse Ed Schultz did not know how to respond becasue it took the single issue of Mexican Truckers and put it in a larger and appropriate context, something these "Progressive" Talk show hosts never do. Their corporate Masters will not let them. The connection between issues like SPP and 9/11 just don't exist to the MSM, connecting dots and drawing logical conclusions is what we are being conditioned not to do. Don't worry about the dripping sound you hear , that is just our constitution being slowly washed away, lets talk about the next new shiny news item of the day, maybe Sen. Craig or Michael Vick, hey what about this stupid BETRAYUS report. on and on it goes.

as a sort of lefty myself

as a sort of lefty myself who listened to Ed Schultz because he was the only non-rightwing shill on the radio around here at that time i can tell you that Schultz is a TOTAL coward who buys into the political game completely. he used to be a republican but with a little help from his wife became a 'liberal". to me he comes off as a DLC centrist Dem really. the worst kind. did he make fun of the JBS guy for "spouting conspiracies"? thats the kind of guy Schultz is. when 9/11 truth callers would get onto his show(he doesnt screen calls, i'll give him credit there) he would always shout them down angrily. refused to even listen.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA


He actually Agreed with this guy because his arguements were so convincing and he spoke with such authority. The JBS guy had a demeanor that was hard to argue with, he was an older gentleman and presented things in a "likeable" way. Ed said he agreed there were alot of "globalist running things these days" ...

I agree with you though, Ed Schultz is basically a tool of the establishment and a coward when it comes to meaningful issues. I listen to Lefty Radio quite often and he routinely takes up the right wing / establishment talking point of the day and argues the other side, but the issue is pre-determined, I would love for one of these guys to tackle an issue that doesn't have a pre-determined lefty and righy spin already scripted. Sometimes Thom Hartman gets brave, but he never goes far enough either.

So that's what this is all about for you william,

our loss of "national identity" - that's standard issue populist demagoguery. That's cheap talk. Try to concentrate on what we are doing here - EXPOSING THE TREASON AT THE TOP of the U.S. National Security Establishment. By the way, though it's off topic, I consider the idea of "national identity" about as real and historically progressive as "racial identity" or "religious identity" - that is as a category of identity convenient to the ruling elite for leading sheaple around by the nose.

Trying to Divide

Don't lecture me with your arrogance, I am simply reporting what this man said. You have no idea "what this is about for me"

BTW, I would tend to agree with your thoughts on "fill in the blank" identity and its' appeal to the masses and its' mis-use, but please, do you really think your confraonational style he is productive.

You don't think the JBS has

a confrontational style. When I was coming up they had "Impeach Earl Warren" billboards all over the country. No, not about his role in the cover-up of the Kennedy assassination, but rather for finding the Voting Rights Act constitutional. But, sticking to 9-11, I found it interesting that the Society publication, "New American," now has given "Press for Truth" a decent review, and at least luke warm support for a new 9-11 investigation. In 2005 they published a classic hit piece with healthy portion of ridicule and slander. That shows our progress, but it hardly recommends the John Birch Society as a leading beacon of truth.

Dave, I agree with you

Dave, I agree with you totally and completely, but don't make unfair accusations before inquiring the subject about it first. We have enough trying to seperate us.


but the John Birch Society !?!?!


I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm sorry but I implore anyone to look up who these people are. What they've stood for the past years and who is standing with them now. We can't be afraid of looking at the truth behind people who pretend to know it.

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In no way was my comment a sign of support for the John Birch Society, (No Way, I should have made that clear) however, it is interesting that this issue of 9/11 truth and exposing the NWO conspiracy is gaining momentum across the "entire" political spectrum. Remember, we probably would have lost WW2 if the Russians were not fighting the Nazi's from the East. Probably a crude analogy, but you get my point.

Anyone got it on file?

Does anyone have the show on file or can provide a link to the archived file?

It may cost a couple of bucks

I believe he has a podcast program.

Hello fellow truthers...

Some time ago, I read this next short story from Anthony De Mello; I just read it again and I want to share it with you. I hope you like it! (I'll do my best with the translation!)

"The truth store"
The man strolled the small streets of the town. He had time so he stopped at every window of every store of the plaza. Turning one corner he suddenly found himself in front of a modest store, whose marquee was completely painted white; intrigued, he approached the window to have a look at the inside of the place. In there was only a small hand written sign that read: "The truth store"
The man was amazed. He thought it was a fantasy name but couldn't imagine what they could sell. He went in, approached the lady at the counter and asked her: is this the truth store?
-Yes, sir, what kind of truth are you looking for: partial truth? relative truth? or the whole truth?
So here they sold truth. He never could have imagined this was possible: to come to a store and take home the truth, it was wonderful!
-Absolute truth, answer the man at once. "I'm so tired of lies, of falsehoods" he thought, "I don't want any more generalizations, justifications, deceits or fraud"
-Well then, follow me - she told him. She walked him to another part of the store, where behind another counter stood a man with a stern face. - She pointed at him and said: "He'll take care of you now".
-The salesman waited for the man to speak.
-I come to buy the absolute truth.
-Oh! really? Do you know how much it costs?
-No, I don't, he answered casually.
Actually, he knew he was willing to pay anything they wanted for the truth.
-If you take it -said the salesman- the price is you will never be at peace again.
A shiver ran down the man's back, had never guessed the price would be so enormous.
-Well.. tha.. thank you -he stuttered, excuse me..
He turned around and looking down at the floor he left the store.
He felt sad realizing he wasn't ready for the absolute truth; that he still needed a few lies here and there were to find some rest, some myths and ideas in which he could find refuge, some justifications to avoid facing himself.

"Maybe later...maybe later" - he thought.

Anthony de Mello

"911 was an Inside Job"


More 9/11 propaganda from Fox News

The bullshit is coming fast and furious now - as we get closer to 9/11/07,2933,295943,00.html

"Federal counterterrorism officials are analyzing a posting on an Islamic forum Web site that warns of "a special gift" to be given on the sixth anniversary of Sept. 11, FOX News has learned."


How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet six years later, the government cannot explain it?

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Gun Law Myth

"The important thing is to not stop questioning" - Einstein
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Einstein
Many hands make light work!
RRREMA=realize, recognize, reconcile, educate, motivate, activate

The gun law "myth" is absurd

As social scientists often remark, "Relation does not necessarily mean causation."

There could be a hundred reasons why Washington's crime rate soared after banning guns that have nothing to do with banning guns.

I don't believe in banning guns, and most people who talk about gun "control" don't either. They're simply saying there should be some controls in place.

Arming everyone to the teeth doesn't solve anything. You only have to compare America's gun related deaths to the rest of the world, to see this.

I don't know what the answer is, but more guns certainly isn't.

The real problem is the Pentagon budget, and more guns on the streets isn't going to affect that.

Truth In The Weight Room

I was working out today when Ian Hanomansing(host of CBC NEWS: CANADA NOW – CBC Television's national early evening news program and CBC Newsworld's Hemispheres) walked over to the dumbell rack. After five minutes I walked up to a guy(never met before) on a bench next to Mr. Hanomansing and said in a friendly, medium loud voice,

Me: " I was saying, 9/11 was an inside job but the mainstream media will not report the story."

Guy Working Out: "Why do you say that?"

Me: "Dont take my word for it. Do your own research. Its really important that people investigate the facts of what happened that day and that the story be reported.."

While Hanomansing didnt say anything I know the message was heard and its target understood by all present.

great new video......

CBS Anchor Said WTC 7 Collapse Resembled Demolition
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

Newly uncovered archive footage shows a CBS news anchor reporting the collapse of WTC as resembling something "accomplished by demolitions experts," another stark reminder that the Building 7 issue is still evergreen at the forefront of the 9/11 truth movement as the 6-year anniversary of September 11 moves closer.

This clip is taken from WUSA 9, which is a CBS affiliate based in Washington DC.

"Now again, they were able to get everybody out of that building before it collapsed, so I don't know whether it was accomplished by demolitions experts or whether it just happened as a consequence of what occurred earlier today," he states.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

CNN just reported that

CNN just reported that "Osama Bin Laden" has a message for the american people in time for 9/11. they say it will be a video. its from IntelCenter. if you dont know who they are start digging.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA


This was my fave from the "IntelCenter"...

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"IntelCenter" and all its

"IntelCenter" and all its high level staff should be indicted now. i would LOVE to know all about that operation. prisonplanet did a pretty good job of exposing who they are but they can only do so much.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Timing Alarm Going Off?

Anyone think the timing of this new Bin Laden video release is suspicious when the new 9/11 Zogby poll was announced a little earlier today or is this serving as distraction from some other big news going on or about to? If so, too bad for them, the move is getting old and continues to loose its influence on the mass public.

not just the new poll, but

not just the new poll, but obviously the thousands of people who will be in the streets of NYC this week is probably the reason for this "Bin Laden" video. along with the Iraq report and Bush's speech which looks like its going to take place on 9/11. the tide is turning, we have more REAL experts(not the History Channel variety) coming to our side every day and "they" are clearly very distressed at our progress. this is desperation on their part. we ARE winning.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Osama plans new video

It never ends. I just spotted this on Yahoo. I wonder what the NWO boys have to say this time?

Al Qaeda Announces New Bin Laden Video

ABC NEWS Sept 6th 2007
Al Qaeda Announces New Bin Laden Video

September 06, 2007 5:42 PM

Brian Ross Reports:

Alqaedaannoun_mn Osama bin Laden will soon send a video message to America, according to a Web site regularly used by al Qaeda.

A posting late this afternoon said, "Soon, with the permission of God, a new visual tape, the Sheikh, the Lion, Osama bin Laden. May God protect him."

Bin Laden has not been seen on a new video since October 2004.

A still frame accompanying the announcement shows bin Laden with an all-black beard. In his 2004 appearance, his facial hair was predominantly gray.

Federal law enforcement authorities say that another Web site had posted a message on Sept. 2, promising "a special gift to be delivered on the blessed day of the invasion of Manhattan."

I tried to post this "comment" but it did not work. Maybe someone else will have better luck.


CNN REPORTS Sept. 17 2001
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.
Attack on America

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

The Real Rudi: Command Center

The Amero is on the fast track to replace the Dollar!!

We better start doing something before the criminal-in-chief goes thru with
the North American Union

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Fox News hide Ron Paul

If you goto and click politics and look halfway down on the right theres the presidential poll averages listed They list ghoulianibollockarnie at the top but theres no mention of Ron Paul. How obvious they make it to conceal him.