Bill Douglas Responds to Bill Maher

Bill Douglas has been a great voice for 9/11 Truth since well before I spoke out publicly. He is author of "The Amateur Parent – A Book on Life, Death, War & Peace, and Everything Else in the Universe." Bill has been a guest columnist for the Kansas City Star, The Business Journal, and other media worldwide. His past essays include, "Exposing the 9/11 Conspiracy Wingnuts," "The Explosion of the 9-11 Truth Movement -- US Media's Dirty Little Secret," "Good Night, and Good Luck - WMD, NIST, Popular Mechanics, 9/11 and Media Crimes" and also "Why the Jewish Community Should Demand 9/11 Truth."

I'd like to see Bill Douglas invited onto the Bill Maher show myself, although Mr. Douglas has a few other suggestions below.

The Bill Maher Real Time Meltdown – Comments from a Long Time Bill Maher Fan

Bill Maher has been the white shining knight for the anti-war movement for years now, when he was canned from network TV, and eventually found a place on HBO. He’s weekly insulted viciously those on the right who disagreed with him. I personally actually was a fan of Bill’s standup long before, back when he was the fashion photographer on an episode of Roseanne.

About a year ago, a right wing pundit was on Real Time, and made a statement that actually resonated with me. I remember it so well, because I rarely agree with right wing pundits. He made the point that when Bill Maher caustically insults those who have a spiritual faith, and makes fun of all people living in the heartland of America . . . he drives people away from opening their minds to the issues he purports to care about.

This got the wheels turning back to the 60’s and early 70’s when it was discovered that the FBI had planted hippy-looking undercover agents to kick the cops in the shins, and urge otherwise peaceful normal protesters to violent actions. The goal -- to discredit the anti-war movement by turning Americans against the protesters.

William Colby, a former Director of the CIA once revealed, "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." Remember, before you roll your eyes and think “conspiracy theory,” that it was a former Director of the CIA who said that, not a mumbling homeless person. That would like make his statement a FACT, rather than a theory.

On this week’s “Real Time,” when 9/11 truth activists stood up to shout questions about the mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7 on 9/11, Bill Maher had an emotional meltdown and a Gestapo-moment, when he urged his security to “kick their ass,” including kicking the ass of a woman who stood and said that Maher’s action against a man who was only asking questions was cowardice. In fact, Maher seemed to want to physically participate in kicking the woman’s ass.

The scene was bizarre as Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee sat placidly watching her host demanding a physical beating for people asking questions, and she only said, “I won’t mention the 1st amendment.” It was an eerie echo of when we all watched John Kerry a few weeks ago, going on with his speech, as a questioner was mercilessly tasered in front of him . . . for asking questions.

This Bill Maher twilight zone episode only got weirder, when Chris Matthews, with a feigned childlike innocence inquired, gee whiz “what issue are they raising?” I have personally emailed Chris Matthews massive information regarding questions around 9/11 and the collapse of the WTC’s. Friends of mine have passed him packets at public appearances. Thousands, if not tens of thousands, of other people have emailed his show with information on physicist Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, research that causes rational people to wonder “why did WTC Building 7 come down?” In other words, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews feigned innocence of not understanding what all the fuss is about . . . was a lie. He was lying to you, when he put on that act.

Now, back to Bill Maher’s bizarre Gestapo moment on his show. If Bill disbelieves those who feel that 9/11 has not been fully investigated, and that the official story defies physics, he could simply have them on his show and debate them. I mean he does allow rightwing Christian pundits on, and he treats them personally with a modicum of respect, even while caustically attacking the millions they represent. He could have done the same with 9/11 truth. But, he didn’t.

What he did was act like a fascist, by threatening bodily harm and being seemingly eager to participate in it . . . and why? Because someone wanted to know why a 47 story building mysteriously collapsed on 9/11/2001 in a way that has never been explained in a rational way. Nearly professional 200 architects and engineers, at “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth”, have begun demanding answers. Men and women who’ve courageously put their careers on the line for truth. They’ve joined many high level military and intelligence experts who now are convinced that the official 9/11 myth was a lie, and have been quoted at One must wonder, why Bill Maher doesn’t interview any of the below people he calls “nutcases”, and challenge them on their facts. If they are so insane, Bill should be able to take them apart, and make a fun show out of doing so.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect – Member, American Institute of Architects. A practicing Architect for 20 years who has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. Founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
Speech at Sonoma State University 4/20/07: "Another 2006 poll by Scripps Howard, Ohio University, which found that a shocking 16% believe that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers were brought down by explosives. Unfortunately, my research has also concluded that this is true. Tonight I will present to you the very clear evidence that all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings, the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us, but by controlled demolition with explosives."


H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch – Practicing registered architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer.

Letter to American Institute of Architects 11/26/06: "The primary duty of registered professionals is to protect the public safety. Professionals' intelligence, knowledge and experience provide a delicate connection between science and fact. ...

9-11 was a tragic event for our country, quickly “solved” by our government and propagated by our media, leading our country into fear, anguish, anger, war and unrestrained spending.

Have we, as building professionals, been hoodwinked? Who should better understand the collapse of the World Trade Towers than those in our profession, possibly with the consultation of demolition experts?

As I and millions have reviewed the events of that day, it seems much of the cover story is not true and impossible. As the nation is confused on the reality of that day, have we been making bad decisions ever since?

My web site collects salient information that isolates the demise of the World Trade Towers – linking many experienced, dedicated and articulate technical analysis that show clearly that the World Trade Towers were destroyed by internal explosives and not "fires from the airlines". ...

After hundreds of hours of research, and thousands of dollars purchasing materials and information, this letter outlines my most salient, articulate examples of things that architects should investigate. If I err slightly in any single item, that does not discount this letter. On the contrary, even if only part of these accusations are true, they should be investigated."


Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret)– Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

Article 7/10/06: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said."


Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."


William Rodriguez– WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance employee for twenty years, responsible for inspection and maintenance at the World Trade Center, who held the master key for the stairs. He was the last person to leave the building on September 11 and has been credited with saving many lives. For his efforts, he received the National Hero Award from the Senate of Puerto Rico. Founder, Hispanic Victims Group.

Article 6/24/05: Regarding an explosion in the sub-basement of the World Trade Center North Tower on 9/11, prior to any airplane impact. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Rodriguez was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.]

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up. ...

"I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn't have any answers."


Bob McIlvaine– Father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President, Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Former school teacher.
Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC News 8/30/06:

Bob McIlvaine: I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11 with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the United States because it happened in the U.S. There’s people within the U.S. that knew it happened, that planned this to happen. ...

Evan Solomon: You believe there are people inside the U.S. at high levels of government that were involved in orchestrating 9/11?

Bob McIlvaine: Absolutely. I'm 100% sure.

Evan Solomon: Not just let something happen, not just let their guard down but were part of the planning?

Bob McIlvaine: No. Part of the planning.

Evan Solomon: You think your son was therefore murdered by Americans?

Bob McIlvaine: Absolutely. ...

Evan Solomon: Do you want another investigation?

Bob McIlvaine: Of course I want another investigation.

Why is this an important issue to them? Because America was turned upside down on 9/11. After 9/11 we became a “torture state,” “a militarist state,” “a state that unleashed a massive network to spy on its own citizens,” and a “warring state,” attacking nations that had not even attacked us, and taking over their oil. When war and conquest occur in our name, it is incumbent upon us to know that the reason for it occurring is correct and true. The entire and profound future of America and everything it stands for turned on the events of 9/11.

Why did WTC 7 fall? If it was a controlled demolition, then we need to know how WTC security could have allowed those charges to be set. We have to question the people in charge of Securecom, the WTC security company. We need to question people at the top of that company who sat on its board, people like GW Bush’s brother, and GW Bush’s cousin. We need to ask them why the bomb sniffing dogs were called off in the days before 9/11. The future of a nation and world ride on knowing the truth.

Or we could follow Bill Maher’s manic advice to drag out and kick the ass of anyone who questions 9/11. Personally, I can’t stomach watching Bill Maher any more. It’s not because of Bill Maher, but it’s because of the people sitting in his audience who cheered on the ass kicking of people asking important questions. These people worshipped Bill Maher, whereas I worship the truth, and when Bill Maher was producing some, I liked watching him. When Bill Maher suppresses truth, he loses his appeal. Its about truth.

I’m beginning to understand why the right fears the “left,” if their concerns and positions are going to be handled with such fascist fervor. On a social level, I agree with Bill Maher and his audiences positions on gay rights, anti-war, environment, etc. But, I can’t stomach watching them, now that I’ve seen they can be just as hob-nail-booted as the right they despise. It was a sad day for the left in America.

As I said, I’m a fan of truth. I don’t worship media personalities. I outgrew that when I saw Blue Oyster Cult in business suits before a concert when I was 16 years old. Bill Maher’s audience is much older, but they seem to have never understood that the persona projected by someone like Maher is just that. People let him have the mic, perhaps with agreements and limits of discussion pre-arranged and mutually agreed to.

Although the good book is one those on the right often abuse and misuse to promote division and hatred, its still a pretty good book if you look at what Jesus had to say,

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.”
-- Jesus; Matthew 7:15-20

When Bill Maher stridently marched down the aisle on his HBO show, urging security to “kick the ass” of both men and women, who’s only crime was to demand answers to questions we should all be asking, I think we caught a glimpse of his fruits. When we saw his audience of the so-called left acting like brown-shirts, we should all take pause in our acceptance of the right/left paradigm corporate media has cultivated like a garden.

We, conservative, liberal, black, white, rich, poor, are all Americans. We are all being denied some important truth regarding 9/11. It is being denied just as viciously by too much of the so called left media, as it is by FOX News, and their radio minions. Truth and the search for it, rises above politics. The truth about 9/11 is something we all need equally, if our nation is going to progress based on a firm foundation. If we go forward based on a foundation of lies, everything we do in the future will turn to rot. It is the nature of the universe.

I fully support the Bill Maher show Direct Action

By the activists, and agree with the majority of what is said in this article.

Except for one thing which is a bit much and should have been stated differently:

quote: "who’s only crime was to demand answers to questions we should all be asking" (referring to the activist(s))

That's not really the whole truth and seems like a half-truth to me. An unnecessary half-truth. (maybe a quarter-truth) Or it should have been stated differently.

The activists were being "rude" at the very least, and disruptive, at a venue where Bill Maher did have a point about the audience being there to, for the most part, listen. (it isn't an "open forum", or even an audience participation Q&A)

However, that is partly what direct actions and civil disobedience are all about. It's part of the definition and method and technique, etc. (i.e., being what some would call "rude", disruptive, etc.)

So characterizing what the activists did as "[their] only crime was to demand answers to questions we should all be asking" doesn't sit well with me. In the full and purest truth sense.

Maybe I'm being a bit too picky. And/or I have a good point. (too)

I guess "I'm just saying".

btw: I neglected to mention that my favorite part about the Bill Maher thing was the activist yelling, "Don't taze me bro!" (referential humor is a particular favorite of mine, whether intentional, or not)

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein

And another rather severe error

I just saw the actual show, and Bill Maher did NOT say he was going to "kick the woman's ass" (or the man's, either, I'm pretty sure), he said, "Kick her ass out." (and, "Do I have to come down there and kick his ass out myself")

I suppose that could be a simple mistake on the writer's part. I hope it was a mistake and not an intentional skewing, spinning, etc., which would basically be a lie. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. (I wonder if he would offer a correction if this was pointed out to him?)

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein

What he said was...

I just watched the video of Maher again and what he said was "Hey, do we have some fucking security in this building or do I have to come over and kick this guy's ass out of here". In response to the lady who screamed "What about Building Seven Bill?" and mentioned Bill's cowardiceness, Bill Maher said "I'll kick your ass out of here too!"

There comes a time when I/we must stop being polite and nice. Someone mentioned that 9/11 Truthers had other venues to discuss this issue. Really? Where? It certainly isn't being discussed on any mainstream media channel.

Thank you We Are Change LA for your outburst and your courage! I don't care if it was rude. It was necessary. I hope this continues. The time for waiting around with our hands folded and saying please listen is over!

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

What kind of incoherency is involved in voting down my post

Surely people aren't that incoherent. That's just very odd.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein

Maher is a smart ass

Listen the bottom line is that Maher is a disinfo merchant.He knows full well that 911 was an inside job which makes his attitude and stance all the more evil.

The guys and gals in the audience(Latin for listeners)were absolutely correct to disrupt his crumby show.They should continue to do it every week without fail till the bum gets 911 truthers on his show for a debate.Get Steven Jones or Griffen or mr Ryan on his show,,never happen because he would be shown up for the goof ball he is.He would get his intellectual ass kicked.

The protesters were counterproductive

With all due respect to Bill Douglas, who has done great work -- good catches, doughnut. I saw the same exaggerations as I read this piece.

As you suggest, doughnut, civil disobedience can play an important role in social change, but it's crucial that we not misrepresent the facts, or deny others their rights while exercising our own. The protesters weren't just asking a question, they were interrupting, on a show that had nothing to do with 9/11. As far as I can tell, even though Maher is being a total ass and a total idiot about 9/11, he seems sincere to me. On the assumption that he isn't, the action was still ill-considered.

Chris Matthews, I have serious doubts about. Just because he's been sent a lot of material doesn't mean he's given it a fair reading and is choosing to support the empire ... but I've read and seen things that instinctively raise my hackles.

Dr. John Gross is clearly an accessory after the fact to mass murder and treason. He is clearly aware of most of the good evidence for controlled demolition and he denied it in front of 150 people (I was in the audience for the infamous UT video).

How we approach each person who is involved in the 9/11 cover-up needs to be determined at least partly according to their deeds and their consciousness of guilt, as best as we can determine it. This is the small-scale version of Just War principles. If we violate those just because we're frustrated, we're breaking the same moral code they are, although obviously for better reasons.

Maybe we should start picketing the sidewalk in front of the perps' houses? Maybe that way we would get the chance to talk to the local media without yelling inaudibly, and they would run the story without all the scripted B.S. that the national networks throw in. Even local Fox affiliates have given us respectful coverage.

Flailing won't help. We need to study how underdogs like us can create ever-larger victories by working smart, not ONLY by being hard-working, brave and willing to break social norms.

I am not being squeamish here, I'm just trying to point out some considerations around being both ethical and effective. If the First Amendment doesn't work, the Second will. I hope that day doesn't come, but it's looking more and more inevitable to me. And if things do come to that, the ethical principle of proportionality will probably go right out the window.

I also want to come back and affirm just about everything else about Bill Douglas's commentary.

productivity,. .

"counterproductive" ? well it was a bit of a forcefull action, sure,. but counterproductive? really? a Youtube video of this action was in the top videos on Youtube yesterday, came up on the main page,. ! I would call that productive! and as for 'kick you ass' vs 'kick you ass out' that is a bit of a reach,. both are threats of violence., and if you watch right to the end he indeed does say "ass kicking" with out the "out" ,.

But the main point that you seem to miss is that Bill started this with his preemptive attack on all people who do not belive the OCT,. and the thuggish decleration that we be feed perscription pharmacuticles,.Praxil was it? gues he knows wich side his bread is buttered on eh. corporate drug pushers! I am sure the fascists would lov to force anti-deprecents into the water supply,. just to see how quiet the sheepl become,. on second thought has anyone tested to see if they already are doing this??? perhaps that what the chem-trails are about,.

"When" and "where" do not matter (for the most part)

The goal is the end result. And that was achieved with flying colors. The action was highly productive in almost every way.

We need to co-opt as much as possible in as many places as possible. (for example, Presidential candidates appearances would also not be the "time and place" to do 9/11 activism either according to your logic)

The action was not "ill-considered". It was nearly perfect. And we are seeing the fruits of it now, and will continue to do so, and the positives will greatly outweigh any "negatives".

I also think suggesting civil disobedience direct actions are some form of unethical behavior and comparing them to not conforming to "Just War principles" is completely fallacious. (and especially so in this scenario)

And, in the spirit of "non-violence", I also ding you for your reference to "implementing" or "engaging" the second amendment. We need to steer clear of that kind of talk.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein

Everybody e mail Bill Maher...

...and ask for a real debate about melting skyscrapers etc. He is now a target for 9/11 truthers. He asked for it, let's give it to him. What do you think?

Publicity, it's a good thing.

They are talking about this on all the talk radio shows. I first learned about 911 Truth when it was being disparaged on talk radio. I went and looked for myself and realized the official story is bullshit. I'm probably not the only one who to discover the truth in this fashion.


Lionel is back talking 911 questions on Air America. Go Lionel!

Here's the HBO email page link

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow