2ND CONFRONTATION : WeAreChange Minnesota - Bill Clinton Shamed In Public Confrontation!
constitutional911 Fri, 10/26/2007 - 9:10pm
Note that there is a long discussion thread going on at Huffington Post about this incident. - r.
Bill Clinton Shamed In Public Confrontation
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/261007_b_shamed.htm
We Are Change Minnesota
Friday, October 26, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMJ3WrooXbY
Bill Clinton confronted on Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, 9/11 and other topics as he tries to debate truthers but ends up biting off more than he can chew and is clearly embarrased and shamed.
The full version of the video that the news networks didn't want you to see!
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Clinton the Master Spinner
Clinton the Master Spinner
He is the best deceptor they got
Its hard to make him look stupid
we all know what he stands for
Yeah... his integrity and sincerity are second to none...
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25 second clip...
Best wishes
He did NOT have "sexual relations" with Blowinsky
He had "sexual contact".
I asked a lot of people back then what they thought the definition of "sexual relations" was (early on, in the beginning), and almost to a person their answer was "sexual coitus". (as a general term for the many replies) And, when "fellatio" was brought up, although some kind of hemmed and hawed and wanted to include that under the definition, when you pressed them, they almost all agreed that it probably should not be included under that term.
It was all a complete set up. Even during the hearings. All "they" had to do was ask, "Have you ever had ANY sexual contact with Blowinsky?" It was, literally, that simple. But they purposely did not ask that question, because they knew he would admit to that under oath. So they went with the phrasing that they knew they could get away with interpreting the way they needed to, to achieve their desired results.
It was all a joke. And more of an embarrassment than what Clinton did.
Although Clinton is your typical political animal and is just as bad in most ways as ALL of the others. But he is/was also much, much better in many other ways.
As for him becoming a" 9/11 Truther" — What? Do you want to get him assassinated? He wouldn't last a month. He would be Wellstoned before you could blink an eye. Are you insane? Why even bring up such an absurd suggestion? Even if I disliked him I wouldn't want him to put his life in danger. It would be cool if he would be so brave, but it most probably ain't gonna happen. (I could see Jimmy Carter doing it, though — which would be the coolest of the cool — except for the obvious mistakes he made, I still claim that History will proclaim him to be the best President of the latter half of the 20th Century, if not the whole 20th Century)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Bill Clinton is no George Bush
Bill Clinton is no George Bush
There can be no question whatsoever that he is a well educated, well read, intelligent human being.
Given these facts, it becomes very clear to me that Bill Clinton knows exactly what happenned during the 911 HOAX.
He KNOWS it was an inside job.
He has access to dozens of engineers, scientists, professors ad nauseum that it is a certainty that his natural intellectual curiosity required, no compelled him to ask these people what exactly happenned during the 911 HOAX.
He knows it was an inside job.
So then what to do ?
Clinton is also intelligent enough to know that he simply cannot come out and say that "911 Was an inside job".
He knows this.
Therefore he does the next best thing.
In fact, the ONLY thing he can do.
That is: He will address the topic seemingly "wholeheartedly" as he did above, he will purposely act sheepish, flustered during this question.
All this for one simple reason.
It is the only manner in which he can reveal to the US public that 911 was an inside job.
Actually, its quite logical that he would profess to address this issue in this exact manner: Pretending to ridicule the movement with half-hearted emtionalism that is bound to get the audience/viewers to ask themselves "heh, this guy doesn't sound all that convincing, maybe there is something more to the story"
Don't get me wrong, he still wants power, he still wants Hillary to be President, but he is trying to walk a very very thin line here.
Well done Bill. He created an opening for the 911 Truthers --> The toxic air left by the 911 HOAX. He knows the truth. But his very life is at stake, so he does the next best thing: addresses one area of the 911 HOAX where Everyone can agree on: The 1st Responsders were treated criminally and murdered slowly over the coming years.
"an inside job ?, how dare you ?, how dare you ?", said Bill Clinton.
Nicely done. You simply repeated what the audience member stated because you wanted everyone to hear it.
At least you did one very small favour you crooked NWO criminal bastard. Now don't get "Fosterized" or "Ron Browned"
We need to be able to walk and chew gum here
I agree that Bill Clinton is no George Bush and almost has to be in a different wing of the elite than Bush and Cheney et al.
The fact that he was violently opposed and impeached over nonsense has to say something. Simple specualtion that he knows or was involved is not what you want to use to justify an adversial approach.
Bill Clinton raised taxes on the ultra rich and left a somewhat decent budget surplus when he left office which he recommended be used to shore up social security. That surplus was quickly eliminated by the neocons.
Bill Clinton also stood up to Big Oil in 2000 when he opened the stategic reserve to keep them from raising oil prices by inducing a shortage.
I would implore the WeAreChange folks to carefully consider these things when deciding who to confront and how it should be done based on who it is.
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
While I agree he should have been asked about it, going after Bill Clinton in an adverserial way with only speculation isn't going to win over people.
I am also not sure calling him scum like what was done in New York recently is the right thing to do, while I do think it is right to do that to the likes of Rudy Giuliani as he was demonstrably involved in 911. The same can be said of those who have pushed the 911 issue, like those who spoke at the 2004 Republican convention, which I really haven't seen Bill Clinton do.
As evidenced by Zbigniew Brzezinski's testimony to the U.S. Senate in February 2007, of his concern that a provocation will be staged implicating Iran as a pretext to going to war and bombing Iran, there is a definite split in the elite. The 911 truth movement should be using that to it's advantage to divide and conquer.
The Clinton Chronicles
Dear Tony,
Pls check out this. This may broaden your perspecitve.
The Clinton Chronicles
http://nw0.info/?p=Documentaries/The%20Clinton%20Chronicles/
THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html
Ron Brown
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/BROWN/brown.html
The Death of Vincent Foster
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster....
The Oklahoma City Bombing
Were there additional explosive charges and additional bombers?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
Check out the Cox Report
http://www.house.gov/coxreport/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox_Report
Let's not forget TWA 800, WACO.
I could go on and on and on and on and on.
O' BTW, remember Kosovo 1999- that Clinton-Nato war to "free" Kosovo in SUPPORT of the Kosovo Liberation Army?
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm
Who Is Osama Bin Laden?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
Guess who runs the heroin trade in Europe?
Trace the donors for Bill Clinton's campaigns.
Including the ones from China.
Like I said.
I could go on and on and on and on and on.
The Clintons BACK in the White House WILL BE THE FINAL DESTRUCTION OF THE USA.
WeAreChange NYC knows this.
Rudy Giuliani is a school boy compared to the Mena Arkansas Bill "Cocaine" Clinton.
I say this with good authority. Not just from websites.
Nevertheless for your benefit.
Check the Cocaine Connection.
http://www.powderburns.org/
The Activities at Mena
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html
Once you do your research and understand.
You will understand.
Why.
Scum.
Is.
An.
Understatement.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at
Clintons Rules of Engagement
This movie about WACO woke me up its called Rules of Engagement
Good!
Ok Everyone who knows pls put up contributions on all the dirt on this wicked man.
If you understand how many have DIED when he was rising to power in Arkansas from a "legal" practice all the way to "Governor" and President you will be Outraged.
Don't forget the women who had been raped and or murdered.
Do not be DECEIVED by the Left-Right ping-pong GAME that HAS HOODWINKED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
The truth of the matter is that the Neo-Cons are actually "liberals" in disguise.
Most of them come from the "Left".
Then again what IS right about the "Right" anyway?
We have to keep educating ourselves.
Be informed.
The Cocaine Import Agency is not going to provide you with Intelligence.
Your tax dollars are used for "other purposes" like capturing Afghanistan so that more record level Opium production can satisfy the murderous desires of certain well-known criminals.
Yes. How Dare You Indeed.
My simple answer to all these Criminals is a line from Jonny Cash.
God's Gonna Cut You Down.
Rev 6:15-17.
If you think Bush Jr is bad, wait for the First Gentlemen and Former First Lady to be BACK IN DC.
We will have a 911 Superbowl.
The Clinton Chronicles is NOT over yet.
Either THEY write the Final Chapter or WE DO.
It is up to us.
If you understand the Cox report and its implications you WILL UNDERSTAND Norman Hsu and others like him and the role that is played here.
You will also understand the implications behind the real controllers of the Panama Canal.
The Grand Chessboard indeed.
Hmmm. I wonder who are the best chess players in the world.
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at
James Quintiere Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division
James Quintiere @ 45:45 in this video
Giving false testimony in from of the Joint Committee investigating the Waco incident. His testimony states basically the "flash" is a reflection of sunlight in the tape, but the tape is from FLIR (Forward Looking Infra Red) - the inventor of FLIR confirms that the 'flash' was fire. Quintiere the guy who was one of the NIST members who recently says NIST did not do the investigation into 9/11 correctly. Someone should keep this in mind.
Quintere is currently the Dean of Fire Protection Engineering at the University of Maryland (Go Terps!)
EDIT: For those who don't remember the significance of Quintiere:
source: http://www.911blogger.com/node/10814
Aug 22, 2007
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center
— Alan Miller
James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST’s investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.
Seems like he has experience lying for federal officials - another false opposition player - Beware.
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Truth Revolution: The Eleventh of Every Month
Clinton made some token jestures against the NWO to keep
appearances that there is a Democrats vs. Republicans system of checks-&-balances still in place.
We all know that most top Democrats are in collusion with most top Republicans to dissolve the U.S. & make it part of a N.W.O.!!!
I have seen replies to my few posts here.
I have seen replies to my few posts here.
If this is the kind of reaction that my post recent post elicits, somebody is out to lunch,
and brother it ain't me
For you simpletons who think that they know 911 was a HOAX.
Listen UP.
If you believe that 911 was an inside job, or as i always refer to it as 911 HOAX.
Then good. You have past the first hurdle to unravelling the tyranny that grips us now.
You must then follow simple deductive logic. From the Large Scale down to the Small Scale
911 HOAX = YES
Thus, many Sociopathic people must have been involved (a good start for this subset of the gen.pop. is ALL FEDERAL POLICITANS PAST AND PRESENT, no difference between DemoKraps and RePUGlicans)
Now we have a subset of the general population: Greater than ONE subset of Sociopathic people
It is thus given that within this group, there WILL BE varying degrees of sociopathy. That is the very hallmark of diversity.
Bill Clinton is one of those. He is completely sociopathic, however within that dastardly evil subset of the general population he is slightly better.
id est "drinking piss is better than eating shit..."
Unfortunately, many of you posters don't seem to realize that, and thus your reaction is an emotional one instead of logical.
Read my post again it leaves no doubt that Bill Clinton is NWO all the way, you simply may have read but not quietly listened.
Thus the evil is far far greater than most of us can imagine.
At times, I feel that I can imagine such evil.
And I must tell you as a parent, it is frightening.
Deductive logic of the human psyche leads one to the following conclusions:
911 was perpetrated by sociopathic personalities
Large group
Within this group varying degrees of barbarity and sociopathy
Some exhibit it through brutal force, raw aggression while others
are more sly but equally evil
Thus it is natural to assume that this sociopathic current elite have their own
body of culture, moral norms, social threats and clandestine political maneuvering
for us to forget that, we would not understand the enemy.
What a tangled web we weave
William Jefferson Clinton is involved in the overall plan for Planned Conquest & Destruction of the United States of America of which 911 is just a part.
WTC 1993
OKC.
are just othe smaller components.
The Patriot Acts, Victory Acts should be clear indicators to the skeptics who the REAL TARGETS of this war on terror is really about.
The right-left political games they keep playing with you is part of a Hegelian dialectic.
They - the so called "elites" are playing the American People as a fiddle.
Hundreds of Fema Camps. Tens of Thousands of Dying 1st Responders.
Investigate carefully how wounded American troops are treated.
1st Gulf War, 2nd Gulf War.
That is the value they place on American life.
Expandability.
Remember Clinton "loves George Bush".
There is no Democrat or Republican.
There never really was.
Those who understand what the Washington Monument really represents and that IT HAS NOTHING TO DO with George Washington will understand what really controls the US.
That is why Nancy Pelosi will never impeach Bush-Chenney.
It took a long time for Cindy Sheehan to wake up to this aspect of the Deception but at least she has.
NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.
The "all seeing" Eye of Horus at the top of the pyramid on the dollar note has turned its eye on the American People.
You now have an almost total police-state- surveillance state.
There are many who laugh and scoff at the symbolism that is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS around them that demonstrates their plan.
Watch :
Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings
Riddles In Stone: Secret Architecture of Washington, D.C.
http://cuttingedge.org/video/americassecret.html
More people have to see the Big Picture.
This can be laughed off as crazy conspiracy theories.
But read Tragedy and Hope by Caroll Quigley- Clinton's mentor.
Hopefully more people will open their eyes to an overarching master plan at work.
The Grand Chessboard. By former NSA advisor for Jimmy Carter who claims to be a "born again" Christian just like George W. Bush.
Codex Magica is also a good book.
I like what Revelation 6:15-17 says.
Or as Johnny Cash says: God is gonna to cut you down.
To those who disagree, pls do your research.
We may not all agree on religious viewpoints, but at least understanding America's Secret Establishment
will broaden perspectives.
http://www.americassecretestablishment.com/
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The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at
I have seen replies to my
I have seen replies to my few posts here.
If this is the kind of reaction that my post recent post elicits, somebody is out to lunch,
and brother it ain't me
For you simpletons who think that they know 911 was a HOAX.
Listen UP.
If you believe that 911 was an inside job, or as i always refer to it as 911 HOAX.
Then good. You have past the first hurdle to unravelling the tyranny that grips us now.
You must then follow simple deductive logic. From the Large Scale down to the Small Scale
911 HOAX = YES
Thus, many Sociopathic people must have been involved (a good start for this subset of the gen.pop. is ALL FEDERAL POLICITANS PAST AND PRESENT, no difference between DemoKraps and RePUGlicans)
Now we have a subset of the general population: Greater than ONE subset of Sociopathic people
It is thus given that within this group, there WILL BE varying degrees of sociopathy. That is the very hallmark of diversity.
Bill Clinton is one of those. He is completely sociopathic, however within that dastardly evil subset of the general population he is slightly better.
id est "drinking piss is better than eating shit..."
Unfortunately, many of you posters don't seem to realize that, and thus your reaction is an emotional one instead of logical.
Read my post again it leaves no doubt that Bill Clinton is NWO all the way, you simply may have read but not quietly listened.
Thus the evil is far far greater than most of us can imagine.
At times, I feel that I can imagine such evil.
And I must tell you as a parent, it is frightening.
Deductive logic of the human psyche leads one to the following conclusions:
911 was perpetrated by sociopathic personalities
Large group
Within this group varying degrees of barbarity and sociopathy
Some exhibit it through brutal force, raw aggression while others
are more sly but equally evil
Thus it is natural to assume that this sociopathic current elite have their own
body of culture, moral norms, social threats and clandestine political maneuvering
for us to forget that, we would not understand the enemy.
That analysis doesn't make sense to me
Although I agree with most of what you say about Clinton, you lose me after that.
It seemed to me that he was taken off guard, which is odd, because he is so sharp and quick on his feet.
He's probably not used to being "attacked" and "questioned" like that at his appearances, partly because he is so beloved by those who go to see him at such events.
It's a New World Order, Bill, get used to it. Oops. I mean, well, maybe you know what I mean.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
that's pretty funny
sad but true. i still do like the site, and its various subsites, though. It's very good for newbies. I use
WWW.PATRIOTSQUESTION911.COM as a protest sign on THE 11TH DAY OF EVERY MONTH
George Carlin took his spot now!
Didn't you hear?
*wink*
I also heard that Charles Nelson Riley and Optimus Prime are next in line.
Whoa! Harsh.
I'm surprised people are voting you down, though, since Jim Fetzer and Judy Woods and some others are displayed on that site. And they seem to be pretty well hated by a fair majority of the "9/11 Truth and Justice Movement". (omg, now I'm putting it in quotes!)
Which I'm guessing is to what you are referring in part.
Has the tide turned? It's hard to keep track these daze of "Who's In" and "Who's Hot" and "Who's Not".
Perhaps we need a voting scheme so that people can vote For or Again' people and you can see what the scores are with percentages. (although, ideally, you would want the ability to change your vote, just in case, which could be done)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
why doesn't anybody ever yell out
- especialy when he was addressing ad nauseum the supposed muslim terrorists of England -
"London bombings were not muslim terrorists! it was israeli intelligence/security!!!"
"TELL US ABOUT ICTS, BILL!"
why? do we have to keep hearing Bilderberg and Bohemian??? address the truth about
what he was addressing!!!
Yeah right,
Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove are annualy "recreative" events.
They mean nothing.
9/11 is the first awakening, do the math and research and everyone can have their second awakening.
It starts with the last letter of the alphabet.
zzzzzzionism, investigate it truthers, like you did 9/11!
Yes Zionism is a problem,. .
as is any 'nationalism' as it seeks to devide people and lands,. One planet One people.
However, even if some zionists where involved in 9/11 and it does look to be the case,. one group of religious nationalists,. are not the whole of the problem. Fundamentalist Christians in America are just as frightening as any Zionists,. (see Jesus Camp!!!) or how about those wonderfull Muslim fundametalists,. part of the problem too., hmmm,. show me a faith,. or a 'land of national sovrignty' and we will find some crazy loones looking to kill and subjigate those they fear,. those different from them..,
It seems to me that all NATIONALISM is wrong distructive and leads to evil acts,. and any RELIGIOUS NATIONALISM is twice are wrong!!!
Keep an Eye on your own fundamentalistic or nationalistic tendancies,. as these are the roots of control.
Kate I agree
Bilderberger Whatever You think these cats need a meeting once a year to keep an agenda going.
On the mossad's I just look at Israel domestic policy towards the Palestinians and I can just Imagine what there foreign policy is.
Is everyone here an Alex Jones groupie?
Can't say I really take AJ's rantings about The Bohemian Grove very seriously.
This NWO rants seem to highlight another division within the 911 Truth Community - those that think 911 was part of some NWO agenda and those that think it is part of how Peak Oil has begun affecting the world politics.
Last week, the Energy Watch Group out of Germany released a report that showed the peak to be 2006 and oil production decling by half by 2030. The EWG is just one of many groups and individuals such as T. Boone Pickens (or Mike Ruppert) who are certain of an imminent energy shortage and declining energy supplies. Their report was more dire than most. Alex Jones, of course, thinks it's all a fraud.
Any NWO plans are necessarily extremely energy-intensive, impossible to implement if there is less petroleum. And somehow, solar-powered world domination just doesn't ring.
I take Peak Oil seriously and think Alex Jones is a more or less a living cartoon. Hecklers who shout out horseshit about about the Bohemian Grove i just find embarassing to 911 Truth. Anyone else think/feel this way?
Not a groupie
Yes, I agree.
It's important to call out Clinton for the stuff he's done, but if we don't use that time to make the best case and not name-call, then it's lost on average Americans, who basically LOVE Clinton and will turn against anyone calling him names or yelling out stuff that is automatic tin foil hat to them.
You need dates, events, facts, outcomes, not slogans, when it comes to icons whom average people will defend.
IMO, "Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, 9/11" is not the combo we should be advocating.
Vic, you said it right
The 911 Truth movement will be marginalized by taking on people who there isn't much evidence of complicity with.
I have my doubts about all of the things Clinton is accused of and I don't think they make sense in light of the many actions during his presidency which were to the benefit of the average person. Most of these actions of Clinton's were in fact reversed by Bush. The taxes on the rich, fighting Big Oil, budget surplus use for Social Security, real concern about the economy, a return of living wages, etc.
I think those who want to say all major politicians are involved are casting far too wide a net. I think the blanket statement that the left/right paradigm is a fraud is far too simplistic and it is speculation.
Bottom line is we should be going after the 911 criminals with proof. Like the actions of Dick Cheney, the comments by Rudy Giuliani etc., We should also be bringing these things up to politicians who can do something about it and other things will fall into place.
Clinton should have been confronted about 911, as a politician who can do something about it. However, I don't think those who started beating him up about the NWO and the Bilderberg group know enough about those things and any affiliation he has or doesn't have to make accusations of a criminal nature.
AJ's institutional analysis
AJ's institutional analysis and his views on geo-politics are very simplistic to say the least.
Yea Baby
Facts facts and more facts that's what I like
Alex Jones concentrates on stuff like the bilderberg , Bohemian Grove, Nwo, prison planet, lucifarian bla bla bla in my opinion moot issues. He does does a good job of waking people up but the way he does it doesn't sound very educational its more of a be afraid be very afraid tactic.
Peak oil "its common sense its got to run out sometime" and that what this war is all about there is 21 trillion dollars in black gold in the ground in Iraq. Its a exercise of raw Power and America and Israel is flexing there muscles
That is what it is all about (Big Oil)
The circumstantial evidence points to oil being the driving issue behind what occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. Certain Israeli connected groups may have had a confluence of interest with the oil people behind 911 and been involved as evidenced by the five dancing Israelis and the moving company they worked for. The Kuwaiti/American company buying Securacom and installing Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker on its board points to a connection there. The Saudi hijackers being a part of Able Danger points to a connection there also. I also wonder how ACE elevator won the contract from Otis elevator for maintenance of the elvator systems and the mechanics all left the buildings after the second plane hit. That needs more investigation also.
We can all see with our own eyes who has really benefitted from 911 thus far.
People who are supporting the "keep the fear going" mentality, the 911 wars, and back the Bush/Cheney administration, like Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich etc. are those who really deserve confrontation.
Bill Maher deserved what he got due to his making an irresponsible statement when he has the power to reach people.
However, all of the unsubstantiated talk about the NWO, Bilderberg group, and Bohemian Grove is utter speculation. I would bet most people who make those accusations have very little evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to pin 911 on those groups in general, although some who were involved may belong to those groups.
Making unsubstantiated accusations will certainly marginalize this movement. So if that is what you want then you will know who to blame if it falls on its face.
Yes
Jones' understanding of Bohemian Grove is laughable. He thinks he is watching some kind of Luciferian ritual, when in reality it is clearly a midsummer pageant about leaving behind the cares of the working world (think A Midsummer Night's Dream, not Alastair Crowley).
Jones is right to focus on secret collusion. That is clearly a reality of the ruling class. But the Luciferian stuff is nonsense.
Guess what, kids: CBS and AOL have "eyes" in their corporate logos because they are "media" companies, not child-raping masonic cults.
Is there a plutocratic club in America that runs the show? Absolutely. And I'm sure they get their kicks in unusual ways. But the ranting about "Illuminati bloodlines" and "Luciferian human sacrifice" probably hurts 9/11 Truth more than it helps.
But, hey, I give Jones and the WeAreChange people credit for doing something, for harassing the elites. I just wish they would tone down the references to human sacrifices, and just attack "NWO" types for what they do for a living: exploit us.
I Agree Carl
I totally agree Carl.
It's irrelevant to this 9/11 mass murder. There are facts that are seemly just brushed off.
On one of the last threads I tried to be 'impartial' and 'polite' in regards to AJ's last flic.
Because I respect what WeAreChange try to do, he seems to give them cash - so it's a bit conflicting to be too negative.
First my Endgame comment got voted up about 4 - now it's negative.
It seems putting forth a few facts may confuse his supporters.
9-11 was an Inside job - but beware of false prophets like AJ. Until he cleans up his act.
more heckling, more BAD PR
I don't see what good this heckling did? Confront Clinton? He's got the mic and podium and has the crowd's support.
SO, who wins?
If it wasn't obvious who got the most out of the rather trivial exchange, the NEWS clip should have put the issue to rest: "HOW DARE YOU!" and you don't get a chance to reply.
See how the game works. No? Try it it again.
As I will continue to argue on this forum, heckling is NOT how minds are changed. You may be providing visceral entertainment for the viewers of this blog who think heckling Clinton is cool, but you didn't change anyone's mind at that event. Indeed, you may have closed some minds to the issue.
Additionally, anyone who saw the news got Clinton's words, not ours. No debate, no content about 9/11, just abrasive, rude behavior--that's what people who are new to the issue got from this exchange.
I don't see how this works in our favor.
It got on the local nightly news
And they mentioned 9/11 and that people think it was an "inside job". (or words to that effect)
And it would not have been on the news if they hadn't done that.
So some people were irritated, in the audience and watching the news, and maybe some wondered about it, and maybe some went to their computers and did some Googling, and many probably heard for the first time that there was even a question about it, etc.
And the people's minds who were "closed" were more-likely-than-not already slammed shut, and couldn't be pried open with a crowbar. The vast majority of them, imo, being that way or ending up that way even if you would have politely talked to them about it over tea and biscuits via "polite conversation".
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Exceptional Video, Exceptional Job! 10-PLUS-PLUS
This is clearly the best video and job of confrontation that I've seen on 911Blogger!
Tactics were cool and clear! You can bet even if everyone in the audience resented the protesters, everyone will be more attentive the next time Bilderberg, Bohemian Club, North American Union are even mentioned! They will be curious if annoyed. It succeeded in spades! It's the best job I've seen to date!
Also, Bilderbergers, NAU and Bohemican Grove are not moot points! These Bilderberg a-holes steer the world in the direction they deem to their liking--each year! Anyone, who believes otherwise, is caught in the Matrix--the virtual reality they've weaved!
Hilary attends Bilderberg 2006, you can almost feel her victory train pulling up election day 08! Tom DeLay has already predicted she will be the next prez, last year! It's because she has already been chosen and approved by the elite (Bilderbergers). She is part of a political machine.
Further, it was excellent to include the relationship of George Sr. and Bill Clinton. They're part of the same team (NWO). I've quit donating to the Democratic Party since our Congress has made it clear that it's illegitimate!
...don't believe them!
Dude, couldn't disagree more...
Heckling Bill Clinton with Bohemian Grove nonsense is an embarassment.
Clinton's IQ is probably about 165 or so. The IQ level of people who go for Alex Jones Bilderberger bullshit is considerably less than that.
Go worship a giant owl or something.
Well intended ..but counter
Well intended ..but counter productive...I think we lose people with the Bilderberg , Bohemenian Grove talk....even if you've determined it to be true.
Perhaps questions like the following would be more effective in educating the audience without alienating them:
Do you support the 911 families and the Jersey girls who FORCED the Bush administration to investigate 9/11 ...in their demands for an new independent investigation into 9/11?
The architects and engineers involved in the 9/11 report had government ties. Do you support the hundreds of architects, engineers, scientists and professional who have physical proof the WTC buildings were brought down with explosives in their demand for a new, independent investigation?
Paul Craig Roberts, the assistant to the Sec of the Treasury under Reagan, [plus one or two other names like Bill Christianson] have come to the conclusion the WTC was brought down in a controlled demolition. Do you support them...etc...?
If the answer is no ..or " I don't believe in "conspiracy theories...etc." Tell them politely ..."if you really love this country and care about our security you will to do your own own research..please Pres. Clinton ...Google WTC7". Then appeal to the audience to do the same. Tell them .."don't be "good Americans"..like the "good Germans"..Google wtc7...think for youselves ..do your own research ( It might take a few people to do this).
Remember the lies about, Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, the air being safe to breathe after 911, the fake FEMA interview....Don't believe the government/media lies. People will relate to these lies...then follow up with a 9/11 question..framed in 'Why should we believe...?'
Not counter productive, but good comments
I like your ideas, though I think this encounter was not counter-productive. If you are down for some more Bill Maher, contact me.
“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” –Plato
"We must speak the truth about terror." --George W. Bush
I don't think so
As has been repeatedly pointed out on this site and elsewhere, IT IS NOT ABOUT A PERSON'S INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT. (or associated status)
If it were, then we would have MANY more people scrambling and fighting to join our movement.
And, although I'm not a huge Alex Jones fan, and definitely do not agree with most of his NWO theories, he is obviously no slouch in the smarts department. And neither are his listeners.
You are acting and speaking ignorantly. (I guess I'll find out if that is "name calling", or "an observational opinion based on fact")
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
This Is So Weak....
I don't know where to begin. Out of ALLLL the things you could shout at Bill Clinton, you choose to mumble "Bohemian Grove" and "What about Bilderberg"? How the hell is repeating the same line over and over HELPING anything?
"What about Bilderberg Mr. Clinton"????
Well what about it ? Do you think that half the crowd there even known what Bohemian Grove is? You are giving nobody any information by just yelling out slogans which mean absolutely nothing to the majority. And he diffused it anyways with his "naked republican" rant. Why? Because you just shut your mouth after saying a barely audible slogan that had no real MEANING in the first place.
Then the person says ....."well what about Bilderberg?
Well what about it Captain? Explain for the crowd what that is while you're there. Sheesh.
I might as well go to a Clinton speech and say "Mr Clinton.....what about Twinkies and Oreos"
"Mr. Clinton....what about Wrestling"
"Mr.Clinton...what about Hair Club for Men"
"Mr. Clinton...I just switched to Geicko for my car insurance"
NO MENTION of WTC bombing in '93 and the F.B.I. involvement in that one, nope. No mention of ATF/FBI involvement in Oklahoma City Bombing, the connection to Tim Mcveigh and known terrorists, no mention of the secondary explosives there, no mention of Mena Arkansas and the CIA. Nope. No mention of the various unanswered questions about 9/11, even though Bill was given a football field of rope to hang himself. No mention of the "Clinton Body Count". No mention of Clinton campaign contributers and their connection to drug running and the Contras. No mention of Hillary's breaking of campaign laws. No mention of Barry Seal just to make him nervous.
This man has one of the highest I.Q.'s of any President in the last Century. You lob him softballs, he's gonna smash it right back at you and break your nose while he runs the bases.
This isn't like Podhoretz confrontation where people actually gave some facts. This isn't even like the Maher confrontation which I thought had a great effect. This was HECKLING...pure and simple.
I bet you a million Yahoo bucks that some of the people in the crowd even knew 9/11 was a lie, and told this guy to shut up strictly out of embarrassment. You don't go to a gunfight with spitballs wearing a rainbow colored beanie and a propeller and expect people to give you a seconds listen.
Sorry to be harsh , but GOD DAMNIT. There are so many crimes to list off of these Elitists that you could spend an hour just reciting them off in their face in a crowd. But the best that we got is open questions with no real meaning to the audience? And Alex Jones touts this as Bill Clinton getting his in the end? Is there such a thing as BEING PREPARED before you choose to take on a crowd of a thousand and publish it on the Internet? THINK .
That's what you get from "NWO people"
Right or wrong. (I wanted to put "wrong" first, but it just didn't read or look right)
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Citizen Pawn Food for thought
I don't want sound like a conspiracy theorist but maby those guys that were confronting Clinton were promoting AJ new movie End Game.
Bohemian Grove , Bilderberg If they just mention Mass sterilization that would have been a good overview for AJ new movie End Game
AJ
is our No.1 Media bullhorn that we have. I guess we got to take it or leave it. The Question does he help or hurt.
clinton kicked their asses
This is terrible. Ill thought out terrible questions.
You don't go up against the master with inane heckling.
You gave him the perfect pitch ranting about Bohemian Grove (without any evidence he'd actually been there). Plus, no one cared.
He just ignored your Bilderberg rants, and no one knew what the hell that meant.
"New World Order" is the most inane thing to yell out, that I keep hearing.
Do you actually think you're convincing anyone with that?
You guys irritate everyone with the rude style, pointless heckles, and questions that don't inform about anything.
Back to school. (Clinton took you to school by the way.)
And The "Heckle" About Lewinsky
The heckling about Clinton's lie over a blow job?? Oh yeah, Clinton's NEVER heard that one before. I guess they really stuck it to him on that one. A man with the highest I.Q. in the WH other than Jimmy Carter in the last 100 years, and you're going to throw junior high school remarks at him in front of a packed auditorium? WOW That's to be applauded....yeah...no problem there....please do more when you get a chance....in the interest of .....ummmmm..."truth".
I've never accused anyone online of Cointelpro or subversion. But if Alex Jones promotes any more actions like this and claims they "won" I will have to start rethinking my motto of non accusation. It's getting really close for me.
You don't get it!
You don't get it! The Bilderbergers are much more important than you realize! You're ignoring where important decisions are made. Bohemian Grove is likewise important, where policy is agreed upon by elite insiders.
You can't make a difference if you're attacking only middle management. Clinton didn't come off like a genius and people need to be pointed to where the top down hegemony is originating. Again, people will be more curious about these esoteric but important activities in the future if it is put out there for them to consider.
You simply don't get it! You're inside the box as if our country's foreign policies are making sense. This crazy war in the middle east is strictly unintelligible without viewing it from an internationalist/corporate perspective.
...don't believe them!
But YOU don't get Public Relations.
Allan,
I agree with part of your message.
"Again, people will be more curious about these esoteric but important activities in the future if it is put out there for them to consider."
However, the hecklers didn't go about it very smartly.
"Tell us about Bilderberg!"
Well, no. He didn't That's not even a question, just an opportunity to ignore you.
What did you think he would say or do?
If I was going to bring up Bilderberg to Clinton at a public rally, it would have to inform the uninformed audience first, so as to get their attention and interest, and force Clinton to dig deep for a response.
Something like:
Sir, media reports say that Hillary attended the 2006 Bilderberg meeting in (wherever). Are you afraid that may be illegal (under the relevant statute) and may disqualify her campaign from the presidential race?
Well, shit, if you put it that way, and everyone hears it, Bill may just have to spin something new and useful to our side.
"You simply don't get it! You're inside the box as if our country's foreign policies are making sense."
It's a complex world. I think the more important point is to challenge them in an area where you can actually accomplish something. This protest accomplished nothing positive.
"This crazy war in the middle east is strictly unintelligible without viewing it from an internationalist/corporate perspective."
That doesn't really mean anything. You haven't said anything.
First, KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.
A Clinton Democratic Party rally is not going to respond well to these tactics, nor to your simplistic barrage of "esoteric" accusations.
You need to present yourself more professionally, and to know how to put the target on the spot. It's very difficult. I brought up an example previously about Michael Sheuer spilling the beans on bin Laden, and Clinton refusing "10 times" to strike at Bin Laden.
Another wonderful example is this article:
Resentful west spurned Sudan's key terror files
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,,560675,00.html
READ THAT ARTICLE.
Formulate some "gotcha" questions that Bill Jefferson Clinton feels he needs to respond to, because he is backed into a corner.
The monkeys flingin poo approach is borderline pathetic.
The new documentary film "Indicting Hillary"
shows Hillary Clinton's role in the campaign fraud that elected her to the Senate. It combines explosive home video taken by Peter Paul with key interviews to show why Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead America.
http://www.hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2
Everyone in the world should see this
I'm convinced that Clinton
is incapable of telling the truth about anything. He has great people skills and he's smart--and in this country you are allowed to do anything you damn-well please with that combination. He reminds me of a buddy of mine: great to drink and hang out with, but someone to which you would never trust the future of your country. I don't care if half of those documentaries and books on Mena, Arkansas are bald lies, there's still enough there for you to realize that something was going on...
This is from ABC video.
This is from ABC video, edited for maximum psychological impact. Notice how the conventional smear-word "conspiracist" has been morphed into "conspirator". Quite a difference, no? Is the caption-writer that illiterate?
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/clinton-erupts-at-911-conspirators/404...
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
I for one am done with AJ !
Critics please realise everone has their own world view,. and even as I agree some snapier heckles would likely work better., (Like wait till they go all 9/11, terror, terror, ect. and then call them on the facts,. " What happend to BUILDING 7 on 9/11? Sir. " ), regardless this was indeed usefull work! people need to SEE and KNOW that there are questions and those of us that are opposed! kudos for that,.
AJ's new film has fully put me off his stuff,. How do you possibly deny Peek Oil?? Oil and all fossl fuels are finite they will ALL be used up,. just like the oil in the USA is gone now,. so too will the rest go and soon enouph. And in furthering the LEFTY vs RIGHTY game AJ took his intrpitation of the global elite to new lows by attempting to call their policies 'liberal' what ever that is suposed to mean these days,. while these people are clearly sociopathic Oligarches,. corporate millitary fascists,. how that equates to 'liberal' only AJ seems to know,.
As far as NOT talking about the Builderbergers or the Bohemian Grove? well that is just silly as these groups are quite real! so what if you get people to 'know the truth about 9/11' then what?? IF people don't realize the systems of control that are exercised by these fascist pirate-banker-class creatures that have been calling all the shots here, how on earth will they be able to act to change anything??? these creatures are all over the world ,. i.e. not all Americans! root them out one 'soverign state' and they just slide back in from another,. Transnational corporation anyone?? we need to unite the whole of humanity against these creatures or we will loose more and again,.
perhaps he is referring to "neoliberalism"?
as opposed to neoconservativism, which is a political philisophy, nl is an economic philosophy of "big business"
have at it with no restraints.
I'm done with AJ as well.
I'm done with AJ as well. His jonny-come-lately approach to Global Warming is an embarrassment. I've been following the issue for years - even wrote a paper on it in college way back when. Big oil, big industry and western governments have fought against it or dragged their feet for years on this issue. Yet Jones and the like keep wavering on the issue by first admitting GW is occurring but dismissing humanities hand in it and conversely at times reporting that it's not occurring at all. To their defense, I think the issue is ripe for misuse and abuse by the powers that be and that is what they may be reading into yet AJ, Fox News and the like are coming to all the wrong conclusions citing greed, control and a massive world-wide conspiracy by all the scientists in the field.
Global Climate PROBLEMS!
YES! that was the other point that killed all support for AJ in me.., Sure I can suppose how the pirate-bankers and their political tools will play it,. sure they will USE it to mold their oun ends,. however that don't make it a fraud!
I too have been watching the eco-life of our planet for the larger part of my life and it aint good folks! Watching these fools jump around to avoid doing anything about the death of out planet,. is too much to bare. Clinton was useless and Bush death incarnate.
"If present trends continue one half of all species of life on earth will be extinct in less than 100 years, as a result of habitat destruction, pollution, invasive species, and climate change." - http://www.well.com/user/davidu/extinction.html
here is one stratgy to get these right-wing loone-dogs to realise they are on the wrong side; http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
The occult thing
Clinton's remark on self-control brought up my dinner. Gag me with a Trojan of cocaine. Bite my lips to hold me down.
Then for sanity I visit 9-11 Blogger, but find a putrifying defense of left/right politics straight from dailykossack.
The worship of Clinton's IQ. Here's your brain. Here's your brain on drugs. I guess Clinton missed the ad. He's so smart, he believes the Official Conspiracy Theory. IQ President once said there was a secret government he did not control. But he still believes the OCT. Ah, the brilliance.
OK, class:
http://mtsar.blogspot.com/2006/08/war-on-you.html
The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is our creation. In fact, it accurately reflects our careful, artificial polarization of the population on phony issues that prevents the issue of our power from arising in their minds - (The Occult Technocracy of Power)
When the right wing Freemason is finished, his left wing brother takes over - Yuri Lina (Architects of Deception)
So much for left/right. Now what does occultism have to do with 9-11.
Freeman predicted 9-11. He saw CFR occultists trying the same fascist laws every October like clockwork, and worked backwards from October to the most significant occult date, producing a 9-11 prophesy. Puzzled friends showed up on 9-12 asking how he knew.
The occult angle buys much for 9-11 truth. Show that Bush is a bisexual owl worshipper, and you wake up evangelicals. Show that Clinton is a Bush-crony corporate warlord flashing satanic hand signs, and you wake up liberals. Once you do that, 9-11 questions no longer bounce off closed minds. "They wouldn't do that to us" loses air.
Tony paints left/right cartoons as subtle-complex, when even MSM-NWO kulturgoons O'Reilly and Limbaugh reinforce them daily. So, er, they qualify as subtle analysts, or something. Giving an issue more than two sides must be simplistic.
Roger that. I'll join the leader worship once your brand of soma keeps my dinner down.
Now about the heckler - brave, but poor tactics. He puts Clinton in a victim position and elicits sympathy from a crowd of dumbheads. Not good. The way to deal with Clinton is to ask about the Trepka mines, his trigger-happy Sudan attack (how "liberal"), Hillary's union-busting seat on Walmart's board (more "liberalism"), etc. That might have interested this rather dense audience.
Some people are hopeless. That gal praising NAU, wow. When her living standard drops to Mexican peasantville and it's "papers please," maybe her neurons will begin to fire. Another dumb woman snickered about Art Bell, ignorant of his OCT belief and occult Freemasonry. Last I heard, he wanted to exterminate Muslims. He actually says Bush is doing a good job. Ugh.
These chattywomen live in a reality bubble, don't they. More soma, please. Remind me to steer clear of Minnesota.