Loose Change Final Cut trailer. HIGH QUALITY!!




I can't wait to get my copy. It looks like the wait has been worth it.
Bring it on. And bring on Truth and Justice.
Thanks "Louder Than Words" gang.
Your courage and relentless dedication are to be commended and you efforts will be
rewarded with a place on the side of Truth and Justice in the History of America.

Great work

I'll be buying many copies to help support. Also,a huge day yesterday for Ron Paul, who I also support. Let's go get em. It's time for everone to pick up the pace.

Excellent nothwind!

Pls see:

Ron Paul on 911 Truth says the "investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up........"


Always Remember why we are working so hard into bringing 911 Truth into the forefront.

Pictures of Destruction and Civilian Victims of the Anglo-American Aggression in Iraq (March / April 2003)

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it


Yup, the American people raised 4.3 million dollars in 24 hours to show the MSM and the other (bought and paid for) candidates that we are not joking around. Ron Paul for the long haul, Ron Paul 2008 dot com y'all


Proud to say I donated $100.

Proud to say I donated $100. yesterday too, and will do it again when another day is sectioned out where it makes more impact as a whole.

The New Loose Change is a Smart Bomb for Mainstream America

I donated as much as I could. But the more important contribution was to get seven other people to contribute. I also contributed a Ron paul video (below) to commemorate the man.



hi res

version pleeeeeezzzzzz
nice work.

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.

I gave $75. I had just given $50 a few weeks ago.

I gave $75. I had jst given $50 a few weeks ago.

More Ron Paul updates- Media Infers Ron Paul Is A Terrorist

Media Infers Ron Paul Is A Terrorist

November 5th "Money Bomb" gimmick heavily played up by terrified establishment and goblin neocon bloggers

Read further at : http://infowars.net/articles/november2007/061107RonPaul.htm

"...... More of this kind of stuff comes from CNN. In the following clip from Wolf Blitzer's show, the anchor wastes little time in tying the Ron Paul fundraising campaign to the gunpowder plot to "blow up the Houses of Parliament," despite the fact that the date was patently chosen as a gimmick to make people remember to donate and has nothing to do with 400-year old British history:........."


Fox News Buried Record Breaking Ron Paul Story


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Looks like they're running

Looks like they're running scared ... lol. Ghandi got it right, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!



By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

November 6, 2007


Recently, Iowa pastors gathered to hear my presentation in Des Moines on behalf of Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul. After listening to me, they then heard ten-term Republican Texas Congressman Ron Paul himself.

Consider how Congressman Paul's message impacted Pastor Jim Hartman of the Assembly of God church in Conrad, Iowa. "I've been supporting Mike Huckabee, but I would say I'm leaning real strong toward Ron Paul." Hartman supported President Bush four years ago and explained, "Up until the last six months I had not allowed myself to imagine that hwe'd been let down by Bush." As for Iraq, he said, "I don't think we were prepared to understand that culture and to work with that culture." He said he now feels "humble and I feel kind of bad that I haven't done a better job of being faithful to Ron Paul's kind of integrity." [Source: MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2007]

Integrity: that is the issue drawing millions to Ron Paul, including young people. The night before I spoke, nearly 700 students gathered at Iowa State University in Ames to hear Dr. Paul. One of those students wrote me recently. His name is Nathan Rockman. He wrote, "As a columnist for the Iowa State Daily here on campus, I have seen first hand what can be described as Ron Paul fever. Since Dr. Paul visited this past Friday, his message of freedom and liberty has been spreading through campus like wildfire . . ."

Ron Paul doesn't recruit artisan spin writers and bloggers to wear down those who might question his past dealings. He doesn't need to. There are no missing hard-drives, ethics violations, and taxpayer funds used for personal use that need to be spun away. He still refuses to participate in the lucrative Congressional pension fund and returns a portion of his Congressional office budget back to the U.S. Treasury each year.

This kind of integrity moved Pastor Hartman, the students at Iowa State University, and many more like them.

Ron Paul has been fighting for the right to life from the beginning of his public career. Dr. Paul is rock-solid on pro-life. After all, he has helped over 4,000 women deliver their babies into the world in his obstetrics practice in Lake Jackson, Texas. He proposed the "Sanctity of Life Act of 2005" (and 2007), which would require that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency." Has he recently discovered these pro-life convictions? Not at all. Congressman Paul introduced the Human Life Amendment in Congress in his very first term of Congress, a couple of years after Roe v. Wade was first handed down.

Is Ron Paul a libertarian, as some use in a throw-away line, often intended to move the listener to discard him without thought? Yes, on areas of fiscal, economic and judicial liberty, he is. But, he is also a social conservative and a Constitutionalist.

Ron Paul's priorities are right with marriage. He and his wife, Carol, have been married for more than fifty years. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman and defends that principle with his vote, where and when he has the Constitutional authority to do so. For example, Dr. Paul strongly supports the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Candidly, though, Ron Paul does not believe (and neither do I) that the U.S. Government needs to be defining that which God has already defined in His Word.

Where pastors often become confused about Ron Paul is that when he is resisting the unconstitutional centralization of our federal government, he is often perceived as being anti-family. Many in these pro-family movements themselves have been co-opted into believing that the solutions to our family problems come in the form of more unconstitutional federal legislation and programs. And when one does not agree with these unconstitutional remedies, they conclude that he or she is "anti-family." Such people mean well but are confused.

America would be much better off if we Christian pastors taught the need for Christ-honoring resistance--at the local level--to anti-family federal intrusions. We should call on our congregations to vote out of office any judge who passes rulings designed to pervert the Biblical family. That doesn't take a Constitutional amendment. It just takes courageous pastors and people who understand that judges, too, must respect the Constitution and our Christian heritage.

In fact, adherence to the Constitution protects our freedom of speech and assembly; our freedom of worship; our right to keep and bear arms; our right to a trial by jury; the right to be secure in our own homes against police overreach; our right to witness for Christ in public, as a Christian; the right to own property; the right to not be deprived of life or property without due process of law; the right to face our accusers, and the right to keep government local and limited.

Keeping government local and limited is the cornerstone doctrine of American government. Ron Paul understands this more than any other candidate running today.

Most of the problems that we are now dealing with socially, culturally, financially, etc., stem from America abandoning the basic founding principle that "the government that governs least governs best."

Accordingly, America's commitment to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has been (and is being) systematically stripped from us--not by State legislatures, but mostly by agencies of the federal government.

Consider how it has been federal courts that have banned prayer in school, and legalized abortion and homosexual marriage. Even in the liberal State of Massachusetts it was the courts (along with a compliant liberal governor, Mitt Romney), that forced acceptance of homosexual marriage upon the people.

The solutions to these problems do not reside in more federal legislation. All that does is strengthen the scope and power of the federal judiciary.

The only ones who have anything to fear from Ron Paul are those who believe in Big Government.

You see, Ron Paul is actually calling on us pastors and Christians to stop seeing the federal government as one "in whom we live and move and have our being." Jesus Christ is our Savior and Lord, not the federal government. Have we not, in a material way, set up the federal government as our functional Lord and Savior? When we look to the federal government to solve our moral and spiritual problems, that is exactly what we are doing.

When it comes to the war in Iraq, I firmly believe that Christian conservatives have been duped by the neocons. Dr. Paul--an Air Force veteran and proponent of a strong national defense--opposed the unprovoked and pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, and rightly so. Time has certainly vindicated Dr. Paul's principled position. There was a much better way to deal with al-Qaeda.

Soon after 9/11, Congressman Paul introduced H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. According to Paul, "A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage war against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation."

This is precisely what President Thomas Jefferson did when America's ships were confronted with Barbary pirates on the high seas.

If the United States government had listened to Ron Paul, we would not have lost nearly 4,000 American soldiers and Marines, spent over $1 trillion, and gotten bogged down in an endless civil war from which there is no equitable extraction. Furthermore, had we listened to Dr. Paul, Osama bin Laden would no doubt be dead, as would most of his al-Qaeda operatives, and we would be less vulnerable to future terrorist attacks, instead of being more vulnerable, which is the case today.

One thing that Pastor Hartman brought up in our meeting in Iowa was the sentiment of many Christians and pastors to defend Israel. Dr. Paul stated that he did not believe that we do Israel any favors and we actually weaken Israel by our constant meddling and intervention. I agree.

Ron Paul is not Israel's enemy. And neither is he the enemy to Christian liberty and constitutional government.

Ron Paul's non-interventionist and constitutional foreign policy approach would help, not hurt, Israel to resolve tensions with their neighbors. Remember, Israel has more nuclear missiles to defend themselves than all of the Middle East nations combined. Believe me, Israel knows how to defend itself. And know this: America's constant meddling curses Israel more than it blesses.

Also consider this: according to published reports such as this one in the Houston Chronicle(http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5223477.html), Ron Paul is receiving more donations from military personnel than any other Presidential candidate in either party. Think seriously about this. Our active duty and retired military personnel clearly endorse with their own contributions Ron Paul's non-interventionist position above all others.

In the end, if the candidate is a sincere Christian, he will all the more readily obey his or her oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. After all, does not our Lord tell us that our yea is to be yea and our nay is to be nay? In other words, genuine believers are to be true to their word. How, then, could a true Christian make a promise before God and the American people to preserve, protect, and defend the U.S. Constitution and then turn around and ignore that promise?

Ron Paul lives his Christian faith and takes his oath to the Constitution seriously. What more could we ask for in a Presidential candidate? Every Christian pastor should seriously consider Congressman Ron Paul. Here is his website: www.ronpaul2008.com

© 2007 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved

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Great...now what?

I love these guys. I love this movement.

But now what?

Unless this movie makes into actual theaters, and unless some big name people like Bruce Willis start running their mouths, instead of being a coward, which is what Willis is to me, then what's the point.

I think everyone fails to appreciate that we only have a limited window of opportunity, here.

I can tell you this - when the next event happens there will be no Loose Change. There will be no 911blogger, or PrisionPlanet, or 911Truth, AE911Truth - they will all be gone!

We are running out of time and sitting around waiting for the final cut of this or that, or anything, means absolutely nothing if we break through and touch main stream America.

I applaud these guys for all the effort that they've put into this, but my question is now what?

I've been burning and copying Loose Change and 911 Mysteries for 2 years (as many of us have) and we feel that we've made some progress, but it's TOO SLOW!!!!

If we don't get this into theaters I fail to see what the point of the exercise was about. I already had a copy of this and I've already been burning it and giving it out. If we don't advance the cause beyond giving away newer, updated versions of this film, then the LC guys might as well not have bothered.



Long Live The Truth Movement! United we stand, divided we fall.

Looks terrific! Can't wait

Looks terrific! Can't wait to see it and burn lots of copies to give away to the still unenlightened. Rock on!


That's what the entire point of this film was up until a few months ago: to get it released into theaters across the country. Then suddenly that "plan" was seemingly abandoned without much fanfair. I love the Louder than words crew, and applaud all their efforts, but this needs to be a much bigger phenomenon than was Loose change 2nd edition. Soccer moms and their a.d.d. afflicted kids need to see this movie. The fact that Charlie Sheen conveniently bowed out at the last minute is disheartenly (yet not surprising) enough. This movie needs to get as much publicity as it possibly can and I'm simply not seeing it.

Politics intervened

Are you surprised? I never thought this film would get into the big theaters. Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 barely did.

It doesn't matter though. The first Loose Change has been viewed by more people than have seen Denzel Washington's
hit movie American Gangster (So far).

This movie is a lot better than the first LC. I can tell from the trailer. Between DVD and internet distribution, I suspect as
many people will end up seeing it as Star Wars III. We could do a lot worse.

The trailer looks GREAT!

I said this before and I'll say (write) it again: Loose Change: Final Cut needs to aim for at least an Academy or Golden Globe award nomination for best documentary!!! (To win would of course be better.)

Has the Loose Change team even looked into this? If not, be it known: THAT is how you can shoot 9/11 truth into the public consciousness!.

BTW, not a single truther has ever responded to my comments about this. I begin to wonder if many of you simply think that if Loose Change were, for example, competing for the Oscar for best documentary, it wouldn't stand a chance of winning.

Well, I believe that it WOULD.

Aiming for an Oscar...

I don't think the producers decide whether to enter their movie into the running for an Oscar. Doesn't the Motion Picture Association or whatever make those decisions? I'm not sure.

Generating buzz about the

Generating buzz about the film could be an excellent way for the multitude of closeted truthers in Hollywood to do some good and begin to dismantle the Hollywood Nuremberg defense: "But I had to consider the effect of bad publicity on my career. "

I'll look into it further but . . .

At the very least, the movie has to have a theatrical release (I think).

One good example of my previous point is Fahrenheit 9/11. It was slated to compete in the best documentary category until Michael Moore decided to go for best picture. It wasn't nominated for the position but if your suggestion is correct, Michael Moore could only have taken what was given him and not be choosy. It would seem that some latitude is provided to applicants for the various competition categories of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

My main point, if it wasn't clear before, is that something like a DVD release might jeopardize LCFC's future chances of competing for some of the most coveted awards. (And then again, it was already screened in NY, so maybe a DVD release wouldn't hurt anything after all.)


I share your concerns

"I can tell you this - when the next event happens there will be no Loose Change. There will be no 911blogger, or PrisionPlanet, or 911Truth, AE911Truth - they will all be gone!"

As far as I know, there are tens of millions of Americans who know that the official 9/11 story is a lie. They also understand the consequences of that.

Even if the majority of Americans knew, the mainstream media and the politicians could just keep pretending that nothing is wrong.

Perhaps peaceful protests by several millions of Americans in the streets of New York and Washington could effect a change. In the light of the above, I don't see such gatherings as exactly impossible. So why are such protests not happening?

removed this

essentially everybody above described the situation better.

Remember why we must persist.

Don't forget. This is what the Bush Cabal does. The Loose Change Crew is doing the RIGHT THING.

Pictures of Destruction and Civilian Victims of the Anglo-American Aggression in Iraq (March / April 2003)




White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign


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Excellent photos that have been hidden-from-view (censored)

by the mainstream media, so as not to upset (i.e., wake-up) the general public!

Thank you. There is more


Robert Jackson source: Associated Press via Cryptome

James E. Wright source: Associated Press via Cryptome

Are all this Sacrifices for America or is it for the WAR-PROFITEERS like Haliburton, Blackwater, Dynacorp and the rest of the Military-Industrial-Complex etc which is so swift to go to war yet so slow to react and stop 4 planes from being hijacked and hitting their targets.

At least 3 of them.

Amazing how NORAD was caught off guard isn't it. Where DO those hundreds of billions if not trillions of tax dollars go anyway?


IRAQ FOR SALE: The War Profiteers is the story of what happens to everyday Americans when corporations go to war. Acclaimed director Robert Greenwald (Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price, Outfoxed and Uncovered) takes you inside the lives of soldiers, truck drivers, widows and children who have been changed forever as a result of profiteering in the reconstruction of Iraq. Iraq for Sale uncovers the connections between private corporations making a killing in Iraq and the decision makers who allow them to do so.


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I can't wait

I hope that the final cut is bether then the test-screening in Norway 8th of september 2007. The movie was good, but it could be bether.


Odd Inge
Unanswered Questions

Looks good

Great work, LTW.

There's still time to end this nightmare.

Let Sibel Edmonds speak.

The groundswell is happening, can you feel it?

I will order 10 copies of LCFC, just received the 10 copies of Blueprint for 911 (Gage), and Endgame (AJ), guess what I'm giving for the holidays ... education my friends and family ... get ready. I will suggest they wait till 12/27 to view Endgame, as it doesn't go well with egg nog.

For the first time in a long time, I'm • i n c e n t i v i z e d •

Faces of the Fallen. Who is USING THEM FOR PROFITS?!!!!!

This is on topic. Regarding the seriousness of our efforts inclusive the brilliant work by the Loose Change Crew.

Understanding the 911 Imperial Presidency and the 911 Wars he is executing.

Is the blood of American Youth so cheap?!!!! Are they expandable like this?!!!!!



Lance Cpl. Jeremy W. Burris

Hometown: Tacoma, Washington, U.S.

Age: 22 years old

Died: October 8, 2007 in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Unit: Marines, 1st Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Incident: Killed while conducting combat operations in Anbar Province


Capt. (Dr.) Roselle M. Hoffmaster

Hometown: Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.

Age: 32 years old

Died: September 20, 2007 in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Unit: Army, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

Incident: Died of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident in Kirkuk, Iraq.

Bush knew about Katrina threat—and let it happen

The Associated Press has released secret transcripts and video footage showing President Bush being personally briefed the day before Hurricane Katrina hit land. The predictions he heard were shockingly precise and accurate—including the failure of the levees. He knew exactly what was coming.

The article is a smoking gun on Bush's unpardonable failure to keep us safe. In just a few hours, the White House will be filling the airwaves with spin, so it's important to reach out right now to pass on the straight story to family and friends. If each of us acts, we can directly reach millions of people before morning.

The full AP article is attached below. Can you help get the word out to at least 5 friends? You can forward on this note or follow the link below:


At the August 28th briefing, the president was told exactly what to expect:
The chief scientist of the National Hurricane Center warned that a major levee breach was "obviously a very, very grave concern." Bush lied to the entire nation about this point just 5 days later.
Michael Brown told the president that if New Orleans flooded the Superdome emergency shelter would likely be under water and short on supplies, creating a "catastrophe within a catastrophe."
Experts and officials implored the President to prepare for, as the AP described it, "devastation of historic proportions."

President Bush didn't ask a single question during the briefing. In the next two days he campaigned, attended birthday parties and played guitar while the worst natural disaster in American history killed over 1,300 people and displaced hundreds of thousands.

There can now be no mistake: President Bush had a chance to lead, and he failed to keep us safe.

Sound familiar right? Like Booker Elementary 6 yrs ago.


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What makes you think we didn't try? What makes you think we aren't still working on it?

If you own a large distribution company, by all means, let's see your offer. Otherwise, please let us do our job.

No need to be so defensive,

No need to be so defensive, Dylan. I'm sure you can understand our frustration with the powers that be, NOT you guys. We're in a race against time and we're feeling the heat. Try and show some understanding? Great trailer by the way!!

I understand. But you'd be

I understand. But you'd be surprised how many people think we simply didn't try to get it in theaters ... there's a reason it's taken so long to be completed.

If you don't

make a movie consistent with the consensus trance, own the theaters, or own the distribution, getting a radical movie into the mainstream is nearly impossible. Thanks for your effort making the movie. Now, it is up to the rest of us to get it 'main stream'.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

I agree with you

I realise how hard you are working Dylan. Jason, Korey, your good self and the rest of the Loose Change crew have been working hard facing a mountain of difficulties to get the word out.

We need to rally around and support you the best we can instead of criticising over small issues.

It is up to us to distribute the video and ALL the information it has to people around us.

Theatrical Launch is NOT EASY as the Big Monied Corporate Media will try to block this as much as they can.

Just as the Loose Change crew was blocked from appearing on the View so subtly, that William Rodriguez had to call of that event. At least that is my understanding.

We need to plan alternatives just in case. Organize our own theatrical releases perhaps by using projectors, getting permisison prior to that from the LCFC crew and renting halls or rooms for our own theatres.

We could also try to rent theaters and conduct our own independent screenings.

Of course such activities should be organized with agreements and the approval of the LCFC crew.

Its just a suggestion in case a Formal Theatrical Launch is BLOCKED BY THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-FAKE MEDIA-COMPLEX.

Lets work together with the LCFC. Ultimately our goal is BUILD PUBLIC AWARENESS over the serious questions raised about 911 and to SHIFT PUBLIC OPINION.

There are so many ways we can use THIS WONDERFUL TOOL THE LCFC CREW have given us.

We have to engage this Wicked Cabal that carried out 911 from many angles & even grassroots screening of Loose Change Final Cut will MAKE AN IMPACT.

Imagine a million grass-roots activists screening THEIR OWN SCREENING OF LCFC ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

Of course, this should be with the approval and with agreements with the LCFC crew.

Whichever method we use, LCFC IS going to make a major impact and is MOST LIKELY FEARED BY THE BUSH ADMIN.

That is why they made it hard for Mark Cuban to co-operate fully. And probably others

Well, working together we can change the tide.

Victory. With Patience, Persistence, Love for the truth and our fellow human beings, Compassion for the suffering like the 1st Responders, Common Sense & Wisdom with Plenty of Courage and Empathy.

I am writing this with everyone's best interest at heart and I do hope my suggestions will be taken in the right spirit.

God Bless and Pls keep up your good work.

I salute the LCFC for ALL their work and you have many fans back here in Asia.

This documentary is LOOSE.

And it IS GOING to CHANGE things.

Count on it.

NOV 11th for SEP 11th.

We will never forget.
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Auspicious Refocusing Of The 9/11 Lens

This will be an iconic American film. Final Cut will have a life of its own and create many opportunities for the truth to be revealed. A momentum has been building of late and this historical work could collapse the BushCo house of death cards. The relatively high production value of this film will speak authoritatively to a population aged on film culture. The American population is also solidly against the current administration which was not the case when 2nd Edition was released. This is "On The Road" with a massive historical agenda.

Well said

Loose Change is a superb tool to blow away the cognitive dissonance of many people.

I have met Americans, even though I am here in Asia, who have their eyes opened because of LC.

So, it is CRITICAL for us to MAXIMIZE the use of LCFC to reach out to as many people as possible.

Forget the shills,trolls and the rest of the double headed TRAITORS AND COMPLICIT MURDERES like Sean "Vannity" Hannity, Bill "Where is the next intern" O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck etc who have SOLD AMERICA AND HER CONSTITUTION DOWN THE TOILET FOR A FEW HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

Did I forget this guy?

Geraldo Rivera gave 9/11 Truthers The Finger.


Geraldo Rivera gets ambushed by 9-11 "Truthers" on Fox News


Difficult to spend all that money in jail especially when the dollar is heading to a COLLAPSE.

It is time to take the bull by the horns AND CALL THEM ON THEIR BS!


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email to tim sparke


These are my impressions:

Too long and too disjointed, unfocused.

Point by point:

1) "Louder than Words" title -- speed up, perhaps make a very quick camera movement that compresses down to a few seconds. Eliminate unnecessary audio.

2) Ray McGovern is not identified with a graphic.

3) Able Danger not readily understandable from the text. Who is "we?"

4) "Where's the beef?" No linking to the context is provided. We don't know exactly what he's talking about or why.

5) "Throw them all out..." What the hell is that about?

6) "May have attended schools run by us military?" May? That's not strong. That doesn't enlighten. A lot of these claims have been explained away. You need the one that HASN'T.

7) "Trillion dollar ... could fail" Not a good quote at all. The money is not correlated to performance. The public already accepts that it "failed." This is not provocative and is more fodder for being dismissed.

8) "SEADS CONCPET PROPOSAL" not explained. Not tied to real world. Could be better. If you have the "gotcha" evidence, make sure it's clear what it means.

9) "Tell us about the wargames" is inaudible and just a disruption. Doesn't prove anything, just shows how "truthers" are disruptive and get thrown out a lot, which is bad for us lately.

10) Secretary Transportation Norman Mineta NOT IDENTIFIED. His testimony is not labelled as such, and the fact it was cut from their report not mentioned.

11) Light poles not relevant -- except that the CIT people say they were faked (not proven). The claim is that the black box of Flight 77 (suspect) shows the plane flew over the pentagon on the wrong trajectory, and that light poles were staged. Probably not a good idea to get into this at all.

12) The difficulty of the Pentagon manuevre is in dispute. Some random bearded guy talking about what a bad driver he is is beyond irrelevent. He "can't imagine." So what?

13) Cut the "what hit the pentagon." This has destroyed credibility in the past. There is an entire industry now attacking you for this. At least leave it out of the trailer, so that can't be attacked up front.

14) Scottish guy not identified.

15) Bald guy not identified.

16) Af. American woman not identified.

17) Old guy not identified. Flight 93 claim not central to anything. Cut.

18) Barry Jennings all cut up, disjointed audio. Never substantiates that the "explosion" wasn't one of the towers collapsing.

19) Yelling guy claims "Your government funded and trained Al Qaeda." Why no substantiation? If you're going to make a bold claim, you need more than a raving nut character being pulled from an auditorium to have it stick.

You have to accept that you're not preaching to the choir, but trying to attract ignorant people who need reasons to be hooked in. They also need to get over your credibility issues, that were the subject of numerous articles and TV shows. You are fighting an uphill battle that can't be won by obfuscation and music. You need to provide "the beef" and in a very upfront, easily accessible way that makes the case point after point. Not maybes, no innuendo, no issues that aren't really important, no raving nut types. Make the case 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...

Make your own trailer, how's

Make your own trailer, how's that sound?

Dylan, Ignore the Critics

The Trailer was SUPERB!

So what if there were small "mistakes" here and there.


We are Looking FORWARD TO LCFC.

Personally I think the trailer was excellent and is dramatic enough to get people to ASK SERIOUS QUESTIONS.

I sincerely believe YOU above anyone else KNOWS that we ARE NOT PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

To all critics out there, pls focus your energies criticising this guy. Our energies are better spent.



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I think you misunderstand . . .

While I don't think your frustrated comments were directed at me, I'd nonetheless like to point out that my small criticism of you guys for not (first) getting a complete theatrical release for Loose Change: Final Cut (but I know you tried) has simply been to hammer home the idea that I think your movie is Oscar worthy; i.e., that, if given the chance, I really REALLY think it will WIN!!!

I guess I'll have to write the the Oscar fellas myself and see what's up with the situation as it stands (if you don't mind, of course). Surely the Academy Awards process was never meant to contribute to censorship and oppression -- the likes of which have obviously been created by the FOX News channel and its "Mother Night" commentator, Bill O'Reilly.

Interesting idea

Great IDEA about the OSCAR.

I second that.

Influencing Hollywood and ATTRACTING their Attention will be FANTASIC.

Perhaps later on it might be possible to get some heavyweights like the Sheen Family, Mark Rufallo, Kevin Smith, Juliette Binoche and the other people listed below(see link) to ENDORSE OR RECOMMEND LCFC.



That's what they called Columbus.

As well as these guys.




UnLeash the HOLLYWOOD FACTOR. Among other things

That will Silence the O'Reilly Factor once and for all.
The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Your response is understandable, however…

I think most of the criticisms posted above were spot on. The film looks sharp and I really appreciate what you guys have done, but I think the trailer in its current form is easily dismissed by people who aren't open to looking at the issue.

It's funny, I occasionally have moments of doubt that maybe I am crazy and have simply tied together ambiguities and coincidences into what I want to believe, like the OCT defenders often claim. Unfortunately, the new Loose Change trailer triggered one of those moments.

Anyway, good work, but stay open to fresh perspectives with valid observations.


Regarding the Raving Nut Character

"19) Yelling guy claims "Your government funded and trained Al Qaeda." Why no substantiation? If you're going to make a bold claim, you need more than a raving nut character being pulled from an auditorium to have it stick."

This raving "nut character" as you claim is Christopher Brodeur.

In case you did not know WHAT HE DID INSPIRED THE CREATION OF 911 BLOGGER. The very blog you and I are writing on.

Pls see this: http://911blogger.com/user/1

This is what the ORIGINAL FOUNDER OF 911 BLOGGER has to say about this "raving nut" as you seem to put it.

"i began my research into 9/11 around September of 2004 after seeing Christopher Brodeur standup and shout demands for information during a public hearing of the 9/11 commission on CSPAN.. his loud and direct questions surrounding the wargames of 9/11, and pointing out past ties between the CIA and Al-Queda immediately sparked my interest into the subject and made me realize that despite my personal experiences surrounding 9/11 i was not fully aware of the questions surrounding that horrible day.

Christopher Brodeur demanding some real questions of Rudolph Giuliani

since that time i have spent months and months researching 9/11 through reading books, watching documentaries, researching 9/11 related articles, etc. etc. only after 3 solid months of research did i come to grips with the possibility that our government was covering up several disturbing points surrounding 9/11..

in general the average joe is unaware of many different points surrounding 9/11 and has not taken it upon themselves to do the research about 9/11 which it demands. while most people have their hands full just dealing with day to day life, i am in a position to dedicate my free time to 9/11 related study.. it is quite understandable that most people do not question 9/11, i didn't myself.. only through the efforts of others, Christopher Brodeur specifically in my case, will the public come to realize the questions which still remain surrounding that fateful day. i can only hope that i might help bring in other concerned Americans to pay attention to 9/11 and join in the effort to ask questions and demand answers.

Original founder of 911blogger.com"


Watch the video : Giuliani Hears 'your government trained and funded Al-Qaeda' at end of Commission Hearing


Eleventh public hearing of the 9/11 Commission, with testimony by Fmr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani. See the family members of the victims chastise the whitewash commission, where a family member of a victim says, "remmeber this, your government trained and funded Al-Qaeda" - as the rest of the 9/11 families applause.

Christopher Brodeur (R) yells from the audience as an unidentified woman (L) is removed by security personnel as they disrupt the end of testimony by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani at a public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, in New York City May 19, 2004. Local officials were testifying on the city's response to the attack on the second day of the two-day hearing. REUTERS/Mike Segar

Demonstrator Christopher Brodeur disrupts the Sept. 11 commission hearings and the testimony of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani , in New York, Wednesday May 19, 2004. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)

Demonstrator Christopher Brodeur, left, is surrounded by the media outside the Sept. 11 commission hearings after he interrupted the testimony of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani , in New York Wednesday May 19, 2004. At his left is civil rights attorney Norman Siegel. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull)

Sally Regenhard, whose son Christian died in the World Trade Center, holds up a sign as former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani speaks during the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.(AFP/Timothy Clary)

Sally Regenhard yells from the audience in protest during testimony by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani at a public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, in New York City May 19, 2004. Regenhard, lost her son Christan, a firefighter, in the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center. Local officials were testifying on the city's response to the attack on the second day of the two-day hearing. REUTERS/Peter Morgan

If Christopher Brodeur is a "raving nut" according to you SIR, then we NEED MORE RAVING NUTS BECAUSE THIS BLOG SITE YOU ARE ON WAS INSPIRED BY HIM.

I wonder how many people have been woken up by the ACTIONS OF this "raving nut".


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

And the uninitiated are supposed to know this?

I think the point in the critique is that, "who is that nut?" is what will pop into most people's minds. Yes, we need more Christopher Brodeurs, but putting them in a trailer out-of-context isn't the best way to hook skeptics.


I can understand some of these points

but my guess is they will all be worked out during the film. There is no way to have a 100% perfect trailer, there's not enough time.

"Today's mighty oak was a nut

"Today's mighty oak was a nut that held it's ground"

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."
Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science, section 191
German philosophe


worst. critique. ever.

If the movie is precise, I

wouldn't sweat a typical theater release. I would encourage people to see it & discuss in their homes,
libraries, community centers & mom & pop movie theaters..

It can get circulated.

Hate to be OFFTOPIC but...

The bill to impeach Cheney just got referred to the Judiciary Committee.

Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.


US House Democratic Leader To Block Cheney Impeachment Effort

Tuesday November 6th, 2007 / 19h03

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday he will block an effort to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.

Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has announced he will try to force a vote on Cheney's impeachment.

Hoyer said he will use parliamentary tactics to table that effort.

"Impeachment is not on the agenda," Hoyer said.

Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.
Kucinich in April introduced articles of impeachment against Cheney alleging that the vice president fabricated the threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and a link between Iraq and al Qaeda to justify the use of force against the nation.

-By John Godfrey, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6601; John.Godfrey@dowjones.com


Accountability! Kucinich conference call to detail 'why and how' of Cheney impeachment measure

Kucinich conference call to detail 'why and how' of Cheney impeachment measure

Jason Rhyne
Published: Monday November 5, 2007


Darkhorse presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) will hold a nationwide conference call Monday night centering on his plan to force a vote as to whether Vice President Dick Cheney should be impeached.

In an announcement last week, Kucinich said he would bring a "privileged resolution" on the matter to the House floor Tuesday, a maneuver which would require a vote from all House members -- and allows him to act in spite of protestations from Democratic leaders, who don't want a vote to come to the floor, according to Politico's Ryan Grim.

Tonight's call, according to a press release, will address "why and how" Kucinich plans to bring about the vote.

"Dozens of supportive organizations have advised the Kucinich campaign that they will be lobbying Congressional representatives heavily over the next few days to support the Ohio Congressman impeachment resolution (House Resolution 333)," the release continued, adding that the resolution will bring about a vote "within two days" of its introduction Tuesday. The measure has 22 sponsors.

Lawmakers will have three options to deal with the resolution: pass it, relegate it to a committee, or support a so-called "motion to table," which effectively kills a pending matter by ending debate.

According to The Hill newspaper, Kucinich's idea -- which would put legislators on the record about Cheney's impeachment -- is making some Democrats uneasy.

"If he pulls it off, it could make for an uncomfortable situation for Democratic leaders and centrist Democrats," The Hill's Mike Soraghan writes of Kucinich's plan. "Liberal activists are pushing for impeachment, while leaders worry such a move could turn off independent voters. They have made it clear that impeachment of Cheney or President Bush is off the table."

Democrats might be tempted to opt to send the resolution to committee, according to Soraghan, who says that such a move "avoids an immediate floor vote and might be the most appealing option to the Democratic leadership."

Despite its apparent unpopularity among Democratic legislators, the Kucinich proposal is not necessarily out of line with American public opinion: a July poll from American Research Group found that 54% of those surveyed favored the "US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney."

“Congress must hold the Vice President accountable," Kucinich said in a statement last week. "The American people need to let Members of Congress know how they feel about this. The Vice President continues to use his office to advocate for a continued occupation of Iraq and prod our nation into a belligerent stance against Iran. If the Vice President is successful, his actions will ensure decades of disastrous consequences.”

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Go Dennis !

Yes Dennis seems to have done what he said he would do - what a concept ! - throwing The Dems and Nancy "off the table' into confusion.
Of course the MSM would rather talk to him about UFO's....

you miss the point

They don't make the case about the US training Al Qaeda. They leave it to someone yelling as they are dragged off.

It's a claim without supporting documentation or video. It proves NOTHING.

Wouldn't you rather prove SOMETHING?

No, of course not. This is the "truth" movement. The truth is whatever we say it is.

Hence my comments about preaching to the choir.

The choir is not a good guage of how this will play in Peoria. Not a good gauge at all.

Isn't it premature to make such statements

without having seen LCFC in its entirety.

LC 2nd edition made such an impact regardless of errors which are in ALL efforts made by human beings.

I dare say even the Operating System be it Windows, Mac OS, Linux, whatever you are using to interface to the Internet has bugs or "errors". Yet we still use them.

It is NOT about Perfection.

No Documentary WIILL BE PERFECT.

A positive mindset will be more encouraing to the HARD WORKING LCFC CREW, whose COURAGEOUS work must be quite THANKLESS IT SEEMS.

If we are going to criticise, surely we can ALSO tell the LCFC Crew the GOOD they have done.



Imagine Star Wars w/o John William's Soundtrack.

Its a trailer. Let's wait for the FULL EDITION before we start attacking the LCFC Crew.

Personally I commend them for their efforts.

The TRUTH is engaged at many levels, from many strategies be it books, videos, websites,word of mouth, prayer, showing compassion to someone who does not understand untill they realize the FUTILITY OF THE WAR ON TERROR which breeds HATRED when LOVE is the Best Way to Conquer Hatred & Terror.

LCFC is NOT MEANT TO BE the FINAL WORD for the Truth Movement.


Nothing can replace the individual Truther talking and sharing his quesitons on 911 with some one who still does not understand.


It should be COMBINED with tools like LCFC.

If there are any flaws or gaps or missing information in LCFC, they are meant to be filled in BY YOU AND ME.


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Bravo !

Well stated constitutional911.


We need to HARNESS the power of Teamwork.

Nationally AND Globally.

We may have our differences on various aspects of 911, For eg. did a plane hit the Pentagon? Was it a missile? For eg.

Regardless of personal viewpoints, likes or dislikes what is CRITICAL is that we SYNERGIZE our Efforts in Getting A NEW GENUINE INVESTIGATION STARTED SPEARHEADED BY THE FAMILY MEMBERS.


Instead of arguing over whether Cheney is ultimately responsible or Bush or whoever, we all have our suspicions and most of us are probably quite accurate in our conclusions.

However, we should not let DIFFERENCES in opinion hinder us from WORKING TOGETHER.

I do realize we have to watch out for DISINFO like DEWs, no-planers etc but not everyone holding such ideas necessarily is working for the dark side.

Call me too forgiving, but some may just be misinformed and duped by proponents of such theories who should know better.

We need to RE-EDUCATE some of our fellow truthers who may have been way-laid by CO-INTEL DISINFO.

I am not trying to make excuses for people. All I am asking for is that we show more patience if newcomers ask questions that we know come from DISINFO sources.

Only if we are able to debate in a rationale way can we DEAL with any TROLLS , past , present and future AND WIN MORE PEOPLE over to our side.

To proponents of DEW I say simply www.ae911truth.org

To no-planers - Just do some research on eyewitnesses who SAW the planes WITH THEIR OWN EYES.


Let the grieving family members HEAD THE INVESTIGATION.






Then we will get justice, and even the DEW, No-Planers will finally get some answers (which we already know anywhere).

Find common ground to work with, that is all I'm trying to convey.

Of course, this is on the basis that the person expounding rejected theories is mis-informed and is NOT DOING IT DELIBERATELY.

Difficult Decision to make and some will disagree with me and I can understand that.

All I'm hoping to do is Build Bridges. So We ALL can arrive at our Common Destination.

Truth. Justice. FREEDOM.

Remember Why We Must Persist. The 911 Wars. Innocent Blood. 911 TRUTH vs Tyranny.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

YOU miss the point

Make the case?! ITS A TRAILER! The whole point is to get people to get engaged in what they are seeing and pique the interest of the watcher. Holy crap are you that dense?


You guys act like a troop of baboons whenever anyone comments on your sacred cows.

If you didn't notice (I suppose you didn't), truthers getting dragged away yelling was met with thunderous applause by Maher's audience. They weren't cheering for our side, by the way.

Next, I've been deflecting more arguments than I can possibly count away from the amateur bullshit produced by these Loose Facts people for a number of years now.

Third, they use weak clips in their trailer, as painstakingly catalogued previously. There is no compelling reason to use weak evidence, except incompetence, ineptitude, peer pressure, or something as stupid.

You clowns applaud every effort, as if the effort itself was enough to convince a majority that their government is the true terrorist (or some variation on that theme).

It's not. That should be pretty clear at this late stage of the game.

Every "mistake" this film, and its trailers make, costs us. It costs all of us. They are in the spotlight, and I'm sure they are expecting comment and analysis. Why wouldn't they?

You people act like this is beyond comment, and we must mindlessly howl with joy that they have decided to release a clip on youtube. Grow the fuck up.

I am less and less surprised why the "movement" is skewered with impunity in the press.

o boo hoo

you seem to want the entire case presented in a goddamn commercial for a movie you continue to talk shit on without ever having seen it. i am less and less impressed with you movement cynics who howl like hyenas when something doesnt go exactly how you think it should. but i guess im forgetting, the internet is a communications tool used the world over to share pornography with one another and BITCH about movies.

Please write a script, or...

...point us to an existing one, that you believe would be the basis for the perfect 9/11 'Truth' movie. A movie that wouldn't "cost all of us."

While I am in agreement with you that the LC crew have delivered some nonsense in the past (and I don't really have high hopes that they'll do otherwise in this new release), I have yet to see anyone that trashes them produce an iron-clad, irrefutable evidence-filled replacement.

I can point you to an imperfect documentary!

Fahrenheit 9/11!!!

Think about it. That one essentially pointless scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 (out of many, actually) where Paul Wolfowitz rakes his comb through his mouth (YUCK) in order to provide, I don't know, lubricant or gel or something sticky for his hair, added absolutely NOTHING to the main point of the movie, which was, presumably, to properly and justifiably smear Bush for his policies. BUT -- and this is an important BUT -- IT DID add to the entertainment value of the film and people loved it! (However, yes, it was a cheap shot.)

So you see, while it's important to make a movie that is both factual and accurate, it is also very wise to keep it from being boring. One way to do that, I have observed, is to every now and then have scenes that "normal" everyday people can relate to and which will keep them watching. To me, having, say, a guy onscreen, talking about what he THINKS as opposed to what he KNOWS, doesn't necessarily negate the usefulness and/or value of his testimony. As long as he sounds convincing, and speaks in an everyman's voice, I would think it's okay, and probably preferable, to use him in lieu of some flat fact-ranting subject.

In any case, with respect to at least some of the scenes you're complaining about , there must be a good reason they're included in LCFC. Especially considering all the scenes that are reported to have been cut out.

Here's the Wolfowitz video I was talking about:


Please remember to include the ISRAELI CONNECTION

After all, there is a HUGE Israeli Connection to what happend on 911.
The Truth is the Truth and the Truth will set us free.
Can't worry about name-calling in a case like this for telling the Truth.
Only the guilty ones will have to pay for their crimes.


what about the pakistani/saudi intelligence/dubai banks connection? lets hope thats in there too, eh?