Janitor turned activist recounts 9/11 tragedy

Janitor turned activist recounts 9/11 tragedy
The Eureka Reporter

by Ahley Bailey

World Trade Center janitor William Rodriguez was going to call in sick on Sept. 11, 2001. After some urging from his boss, he went in to work a little later than his usual 8 a.m. schedule.

The horror of that day lives on for Rodriguez, who has become an activist and travels the world telling his story of survival in order to help victims of the terrorist attacks.

Clad in suit and tie, Rodriguez came to the River Lodge in Fortuna on Sunday evening and greeted each attendee with a warm smile and a handshake.

“Thank you for being here,” he said as he made his way around the room of approximately 100 people.

He told his story.

While working at the WTC for 20 years, Rodriguez said, he had made many friends.

He clocked in the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, and decided not to go up to the 61st floor to the Kitchen restaurant where he usually received a free breakfast.

When he heard the first plane fly into the North Tower, he said, all he could think about was the restaurant.

“Those were my friends there,” he said. “I would have gone through that fire to help my friends. I was not able to save a single one.”

He was, however, able to save dozens of others.

“For the first time, I said ‘God, please help me!’” said the formerly agnostic Rodriguez.

Rodriguez had a master key that opened all the stairwells of the buildings. He said he was able to help firefighters up 27 floors and helped carry people out of the smoldering building.

“I started crying and screaming and I didn’t know where to go,” he said. “I felt total fear.”

As Rodriguez exited the building, remnants of the building collapsed on him as he dived underneath a fire truck.

“I never lost consciousness. A second being trapped there is a lifetime,” he said. “I was the only survivor from the rubble that did not break a single bone. It was a miracle.”

The experience changed his life, said the man who is believed to have been the last person to emerge alive from the North Tower.

He said he became frustrated with the U.S. government because it did not listen to what the victims wanted or what they had to say.

“I have to live 9/11 every day because it’s my responsibility,” he said. “I haven’t been able to let it go because there’s so much at stake.”

Rodriguez said he was encouraged to run for political office and began training to be a politician. It wasn’t for him, he found out, and he continued his activist trail to places like Malaysia, Venezuela and the United Kingdom.

“You have to follow your heart to make a change,” he said.

Tricia Baxter, of Arcata, attended Rodriguez’s presentation.

“It was a surprise for me; it was really inspiring,” said Baxter. “I’ve never heard anyone’s story directly like this.”

Rodriguez received a standing ovation at the end of his presentation.

“It’s not easy, but God gave me a unique opportunity,” he said. “Our tragedy changed everyone and we owe the truth to the victims, survivors and those affected by 9/11.”

Show "Sorry William, but if that Magic Key was worth anything at all" by petgoat

William is an honorable and polite man.

So it falls on me to tell you to go directly to hell. Here's a clip of him reuiniting with Felippe David, the first man he saved that day. There were many others, in the end it's hard to say how many lives the HERO William Rodriguez saved by unlocking the stairwells, but I wonder what in your opinion gives you the right to talk smack about him?

This guy John Schroeder seems to think that William Rodriguez directly saved his life, but what the hell does he know, he's just a NY firefighter, right? (starts 3:31 in)

Anyone else find it interesting that once again, William's testimony about the explosion that injured Felippe David (before the 1st plane struck) was omitted? I'm getting really tired of that, considering the importance of that (corroborated) evidence.

www.vancouver911truth.com

Show "John Schroeder thinks he saw tower one fall, then tower two." by petgoat

Two questions for you petgoat...

1) Do you believe what Willie said, regarding the explosion below, prior to the plane impact ?

2) Have you actually contacted William directly with your questions ?

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Many thanks

Show "I regarded William's story of the blast before the plane strike" by petgoat

"it's not corroborated by any other witness."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzpaZE5XSfg

Now stop slandering 9/11 heroes and watch sports or whatever it is you do when you're not trolling 911Blogger.

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-Dr. Frank Greening

You beat me to it stallion4...

I had JUST copied the link. Just as well, I'm done spending effort on this goatboy. BTW, he does do Q&A sessions, how do I know? Because at the Vancouver event we hosted he did a Q&A session.

What a tool.

www.vancouver911truth.com

Show "Mr. Saltalamacchia does not corroborate the story of the" by petgoat

WRONG! STOP LYING TROLL

He clearly states that the first explosion came from below - near the mechanical rooms - and then heard the explosions from above. You reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyy need to stop reading papers written by obnoxious New York City tour guides who think they know more about what happened on 9/11 than the people who were there and almost died while they were saving the lives of others.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "You are imposing your imagination on his statement" by petgoat

hmmm...

There are several witnesses corroborating a separate explosion just prior to the impact,

even an audio recording from across the street made by Ginny Carr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMpXa84Nis

Also a female witness on the Loose Change Final Cut Trailer (near end) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdoJASdLg_A

and more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BaOyrVhu0c

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Frankly, I don't see the point in asking him questions. His testimony speaks for itself.

Well for the past month, you've been asking questions about William's testimony and you're still asking...

Just send the guy an email, if he doesn't answer then your points have a little more weight...

Just do it dude, you never know all your questions may get answered and then you can blog it here !!!

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Best wishes

Show "For a long time I didn't email him because I didn't want to" by petgoat

quote: For a long time I

quote: For a long time I didn't email him because I didn't want to
put him on the spot. I mean, what am I going to do if he can't answer the
question? Run back to the world and say "William can't answer the question"?
unquote

This is silly, not asking for not wanting to put him on the spot but now slander him
without having asked him first.

Show "It's silly I know. I explained that." by petgoat

@ petgoat

"Willie saved our lives that day!" -FDNY Firefighter John Schroeder

Jack Blood Deadline Live, August 10, 2007:
Interview with FDNY Firefighter John Schroeder & William Rodriguez

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3447339595187904127

"Deadline Live with Jack Blood, Original Air Date: August 10, 2007. Jack interviews FDNY Firefighter and 9/11 Hero John Schroeder to discuss his recent videotaped interview with WeAreCHANGE.org & LooseChange911.com, his experiences during the attack on the World Trade Center, his life after 9/11, and the man who saved his life during the attack - William Rodriguez. In the second segment of Jack's interview with John Schroeder, William calls into the show to reunite with the man he saved."

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Willie saved our lives that day!" -FDNY Firefighter John Schroed" by petgoat

I couldn't tell you, I wasn't there.

But wait... neither were you. That hasn't stopped you from attempting to smear my hero for lack of writing down the names of each person he saved. What exactly are you trying to get from all this? Are you an activist trying to help us, an armchair critic trying to make a name for yourself on the backs of both the dead and living heroes, or worse? Skepticism is one thing, but this is beyond the pale when you have nothing substantive to prove that Mr. Rodriguez's story is anything but true. Please get over yourself and do something useful, we have little time for this.

www.vancouver911truth.com

Show "What can be proved is that Mr. Rodriguez's story is largely" by petgoat

You need to stop reading bogus papers written by...

New York City tour guides.

William Rodriguez is the real deal. HE WAS THERE!! SEVERAL WITNESSES BACK UP HIS STORY!!

NOW GO WATCH SPORTS, TROLL!!

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Nobody disputes that he was there." by petgoat

Are you calling FDNY Firefighter John Schroeder a liar???

Watch the interview I posted above. Schroeder states that WR saved AT LEAST a dozen firefighters that day. And how in the world would YOU know if any of them "bothered to thank him" or not????

GET OVER YOURSELF CLOWN. YOU WEREN'T THERE. RODRIGUEZ WAS. HE HAS MORE COURAGE IN HIS LITTLE PINKY TOE THAN YOU WILL EVER HAVE. STOP HATING ON (AND LYING ABOUT) 9/11 HEROES WHO WERE THERE AND ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "John Schroeder thinks he saw tower one fall, then tower two." by petgoat

Well I can't say for sure...

but maybe he meant the 22nd floor

That just happened to house the Security Command Center (SCC) that conveniently just happened to be destroyed at the same time as the basement explosion(s) and plane impact...

If you like research... then check this excellent research...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745

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Good luck with your research

"HIS SCHTICK"??? You effing FOOL!

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy24133.000/hsy24133_0.htm

THE INVESTIGATION OF THE WORLD TRADE
CENTER COLLAPSE: FINDINGS,
RECOMMENDATIONS, AND NEXT STEPS

[...]

Page 280

Precisely 29 minutes earlier, at 9:59 a.m., the fall of the south tower shook the north tower and stopped the slow, muscular tide of rescuers. By then, the north tower firefighters had been on the move for more than an hour. Each carrying about 100 pounds of gear, only a few had climbed much higher than the 30th floor. Some recalled hearing radio messages from individual firefighters who had made it as far as the 40's.

The calamity next door—the collapse of one of the biggest buildings in the world—was heard but not seen; felt but not understood. The staircases had no windows. Radio communication was erratic. Few firefighters even knew a second plane had struck the other building.

From the street, Chief Ganci twice ordered firefighters to evacuate the north tower, according to Chief Albert Turi, but it was not clear who inside, if anyone, heard him. Even Chief Turi, standing a few feet away, said it had not come over his radio.

Still, many decided to leave after hearing a rumor of a partial collapse some floors above them, or because they assumed another plane had hit.

On the 37th floor, Daniel Sterling, of Engine Company 24, had stopped with firefighters from Ladder 5 and Engine 33—who did not survive—when the building rattled. A moment later, Firefighter Sterling said, Chief John Paolillo appeared.

''He thought there was a partial collapse of the 65th floor of our building and that we should drop everything and leave,'' Firefighter Sterling said.

'Get Up and Go, Go, Go'

A few floors below, around the 30th or 31st floor, Chief Paolillo was spotted again. ''He was yelling, 'Leave your equipment and just get up and go, go, go,' like that,'' Lt. Brian Becker of Engine 28 said. Chief Paolillo died.

The word to leave was passed to the 27th floor, where many firefighters were resting, including Michael Wernick of Ladder 9. ''I know that there was no urgency at that point trying to get out of the building,'' he said.

''Do you think anyone around you was aware that the other building collapsed?'' an interviewer asked.

''No,'' he replied.

One exception was Firefighter John Drumm with Engine 39, who said that on the 22nd floor, he heard a transmission: ''Imminent collapse of the north tower. Immediate evacuation.''

Then he made a point repeated in nearly every interview: ''From what I saw on the way down, very, very few civilians were left.''

Firefighter Sterling said, ''There was nobody in the staircase on the way down.''

STOP SLANDERING 9/11 HEROES!!

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "His schtick. What's your point?" by petgoat

Fraud

You're trying to pull the same shit here that you pulled over at DU. It took me 2 seconds to Google the report about the floors above being rumored to have collapsed. And let me remind you that YOU WEREN'T THERE. You don't know what was being transmitted over FDNY radios. You have no idea if there was a report that there was a collapse of 65 to 44 or whatever. You implied that Rodriguez made the whole thing up for financial gain, but I just proved by posting a documented report that there was a rumor that "65" and "some floors above" the 30-37th floor had collapsed. This supports William Rodriguez' story -period. Instead of acknowledging that FACT, you insult me because I'm exposing you for the fraud that YOU are.

So instead of pointing fingers at WR look in the mirror you fucking asshole before you go around slandering good people like John Schroeder, or other 9/11 heroes who support his story!

Take YOUR "schtick" somewhere else, FRAUD!

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "It took you 2 seconds to Google but you won't provide the link ?" by petgoat

Are you dim? I posted the link at the top of the report above

Now do something productive instead of stalking and shitting all over 9/11 heroes.

And if anyone thinks Mr. Schroeder isn't being sincere after watching this interview, you should probably have your head examined:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3447339595187904127

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Oh, I didn't recognize that you had posted the link because" by petgoat

Will the mods please ban this fool

He's spamming this blog and not acknowledging evidence corroborating William Rodriguez' account of what happened on 9/11. He pretends to know more about what happened at the WTC than the people who were actually there in the towers receiving reports about floors collapsing above them, etc. He's slandering good people like Mr. Rodriguez, John Schroeder, and others who corroborate his story. Petgoat is doing the same over at Democratic Underground, starting several threads over there - not acknowledging the many posts by people corroborating William's account of what happened. "Petgoat" is either a hired disinformationist, or he's attempting to discredit Mr. Rodriguez for his own personal reasons - why, I do not know? Possibly Mr. Rodriguez looked at him wrong at an event that "petgoat" attended where Rodriguez was speaking? Perhaps he ignored "petgoat" and didn't give him the attention he felt he deserved? My guess is prolly the latter and "petgoat" thinks his own personal beef with Mr. Rodriguez is more important than exposing the criminals who orchestrated the murder of thousands of the people that worked at the WTC. People that William knew. People that he'll never see again. People that he risked his own neck for, to help try to save that day.

"Petgoat's" treatment of 9/11 heroes on 911Blogger is deplorable and he deserves to banned for it.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Given that Mr. Rodriguez has had six years to get his story in" by petgoat

It's a fraud all right--You're lying about what your link says.

It does not say "some floors collapsed" as you claim.

It says a floor collapsed "some floors above."

Your link does not support Mr. Rodriguez's exaggerated
and irresponsible claim of a 22-story collapse in the
least.

With friends like you, Mr. Rodriguez has no need for
enemies.

Your position of ignorance is remarkable.

I co-wrote the paper with Gordon Ross, and it does corroborate Willie's account of the explosions that occurred before AA Flt 11 hit the building...and no one has ever shown that radar crash-time to be in error {that's because it isn't}, and the accepted seismic event time occurred around 10 seconds before it.

10 seconds...
now do the math...
and don't forget to feed your goat.

Craig T. Furlong

Show "I don't know who you're replying to, but I quite clearly said" by petgoat
Show "Sorry, Willy-Worshipers, But the Magic Key Isn't. Deal With It." by petgoat

The troll, Petgoat

Apparently Mr. Rodriguez's story is considered somewhat sensitive in light of the consistent disallowance of real discussion to take place within this thread. I get rather upset when I see Stallion and others incessantly entertain these distract-tactics over and over again, as though the repeating of truths and honest inquiry will somehow change the minds of those who are hijacking the thread. Read between the lines. I can fairly safely bet, I would think, that those who orchestrated the 9/11 attack are not pleased with Mr. Rodridguez's survival on that day.
Hopefully Petgoat's responders will quit taking the bait.

Daricus said: "Please get over yourself and do something useful, we have little time for this." Actually, we have NO time for it. None whatsoever. I'm hoping that no more will be dedicated to it. Running around in argumentative circles does nothing except waste time. Precious time that we don't have. We're now in the last year of this administration's tenure. Think about it.

Show "You Don't Have Time for Truth. Quaint Concept." by petgoat

Apparently you do. All the

Apparently you do. All the patience in the world.

@ TruthNow

"I get rather upset when I see Stallion and others incessantly entertain these distract-tactics over and over again, as though the repeating of truths and honest inquiry will somehow change the minds of those who are hijacking the thread."

Relax. No one is trying to change the troll's mind. The information I and others posted here is for the lurkers, or others to see, who aren't familiar with Rodriguez, in an attempt to counter the lies of our resident BS artist, "petgoat".

And sorry to "upset" you.... pffffft
____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Oh c'mon, relax yourself Stallion!

If we were talking to eachother face to face, you wouldn't be so offended at my "upset" remark (it's hard to gauge emotions online). I was just saying that we have much work ahead of us and that it's counterproductive to try and change troll's minds. I definitely understand what you mean about "lurkers" and others who are trying to get a handle on some real information. It's just important that we do everything in our power to not become sidetracked. I do agree with everything you said.

Show "No one is trying to change the troll's mind." by petgoat
Show "No one is trying to change the troll's mind." by petgoat

You aren't too bright, are you?

I thought skepter idiot JREF-er types weren't allowed to spew their mouth-filth around here.

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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist

It doesn't matter what people are saying, as long as they are talking about you. — Denny Crane

Show "Agreed. Daricus and Stallion are Pretty Dense." by petgoat

Mods please ban this piece of SHITE!

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Explain How the Magic Key that Saved All Those Lives" by petgoat

Sorry, petgoat, but...

... until you come up with something more substantial than assumptions or ad hominem, I can't take you seriously. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The fact that not all people he had contact with on that day have come forward so far does not by itself negate his story. Neither does a character assassination ("that stairwell was his life, now he is trying to milk it for all its worth" - your words loosely paraphrased)...

How's that for countering your logic re William not leaving his key to firefighters... He was warned not to lose it or else he would be prosecuted, plus forced to pay for changing all the locks. You said it yourself: nobody expected the towers to fall, so he himself and firefighters could have expected him to return and keep opening the doors. After all, the firefighters were dropping on the floor after climbing all these stairs with their equipment (was it floor 36?), so they could have been incapable of climbing any further without some substantial break anyway... Whatever the case, how would you expect the firefighters to get the key from William if he refused to give it up? To wrestle him to the ground and pry it out of his hands?

And hairsplitting his supervisor Anthony's words -- that's priceless! (Are you a lawyer?) The fact that he didn't refer to the explosion upstairs as plane entering the building does not mean it wasn't so. Also, he didn't need to say that the first explosion was below -- he clearly referred to the mechanical room. By now everybody has heard the story of William Rodriguez. I bet his supervisor has read/watched/listened to everything that is out there. If there were any substantial discrepancies in William's story, you would think he would call him a liar the first chance he gets on camera! Sorry, this argument is the most ridiculous of yours, imo...

As I said: until you have something more substantial to offer than perceived fault of logic of William keeping his key, absence of sufficient number of corroborating witnesses to your liking or exact wording of those witnesses to your liking, I will continue to believe the Rodriquez' story.

Show "Gosh, all those words. I thought you had something." by petgoat

Still not convinced...

The
issue is that he claims he single handedly rescued fifteen people,
and beyond the two verified names there's no reason to think, despite
Mr. Rodriguez's high profile, that any of the rest of them even sent him
a Christmas card.

Add to those:
Salvatore Giambanco, one of the guys who was stuck in a freight elevator and drowning. His reunion with Rodriguez was broadcast on spanish networks.

There can be dozens of reasons why people whom he saved have not thanked him -- not having been able to get around to that, unthankful, sick or dead, not heard of Rodriguez in the media, just to name a few... There might be people who HAVE contacted him but asked to keep their names private... There can be a whole host of reasons why people DON'T do something, besides the guy telling the story being full of shit... Now, if there were a group of people refuting his story publicly, that would be another thing...

Also, witness David Lim reunion which was broadcast on Telemundo. I am not sure if the televised encounter covers any memories concerning the events above the ground floor (I have not seen it in its entirety, neither do I speak Spanish), but David's facial expression and his body language does not suggest that he was around a biggest liar and abuser of 9-11 memories. (Unless he is also "in on it.")

A lot of people died there and people don't like to be
judgmental. That kind of deference, the refusal to ask rude questions,
is what con men rely upon...

And how is this any thicker defence than what "people used to make for George Bush in that schoolroom", as you say? They look exactly the same "thickness" to me. Do you really expect an eyewitness whose experience is opposite of what Rodriguez claims, still be all happy and content around him on camera while knowing full well that this guy is peddling BS? Not very believable!

I am not as wild-eyed believer as you think, and you do make some valid points (I just haven't thought of those yet, especially the firemen sending Rodriguez downstairs with his key in his possession), but so far I have not seen any substantial proof from your side of the story either, just conjecture, so I will go on believing Mr. Rodriguez for now, but I will definitely keep my eyes and ears open (not the kind of wild way you think) and will definitely ask some questions from Mr. Rodriguez when I have a chance.

Show "Mr. Giambanco was already in" by petgoat

OK...

Mr. Giambanco was already in the grand total of two names,
so you can't add him.

OK, I stand corrected. (Didn't know you already counted him.)

I did not claim Rodriguez rescued Lim, he is just one more person who seems to corroborate at least part of William's story.

I don't know why Mr. Lim acts so friendly to Mr. Rodriguez. Lim
has been through a lot. Perhaps he's on medication.
Perhaps he has adopted an all-forgiving attitude to protect
his mental health. Perhaps he feels that all survivors are
God's chosen children, worthy of unconditional love. There
are any number possible reasons. Maybe Mr. Rodriguez
gave a generous donation to his church.

You see, your argument is exactly on the same level as mine (re why more of the people supposedly rescued by Rodriguez have not come forward) -- its all conjecture. Just like in the case of Lim's unexplained cozyness towards Rodriguez on the Telemundo (assuming the latter is lying), there can be countless reasons why people have failed to come forward to corroborate Rodriguez' account (assuming its true).

Calling for proof from me is beside the point. Mr. Rodriguez's
lack of corroboration is the point.

I am not trying to place the burden of proof on you. I am trying to find convincing arguments for myself. I am not ready to stamp William a liar yet, based on your arguments. As I said, there can be numerous reasons for the circumstances you described.

Also, I don't think splitting the hairs on Anthony's words is going to help. It looks like you are trying very hard to make Rodriguez a liar. So, he didn't say the explosion pushed upward (or came from below), so what? He still corroborated overall Rodriguez' account. Do you agree that the mechanical room was on level B2? And the office of Santalamacchia was on B1? so there you have it -- the explosion was perceived from below. What are you trying to squeeze out of Santalamacchia's words (or omissions), I don't get it!

Show "My argument is not at all on the same level as yours." by petgoat

Is Felipe David's statement also "so ambiguous "....

that it does not provide convincing evidence of an
explosion in the basement???

"That day I was in the basement in sub-level 1 sometime after 8:30am. Everything happened so fast, everything moved so fast. The building started shaking after I heard the explosion below, dust was flying everywhere and all of a sudden it got real hot." -Felipe David

Now stop trolling this website with your distortions and blatant lies. It's obvious you have some kind of weirdo stalking/cowardly slander campaign going on targeting Mr. Rodriguez, but this is not the place for it. If you have concerns about his version of events you should try emailing him with questions regarding your concerns.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "You don't provide a link for that statement, so I can't" by petgoat

Google it FRAUD!

And stop slandering heroes of 9/11 here like you've been doing over at DU.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "I won't because you already misrepresented the contents of a lin" by petgoat

WTF are you talking about, stalker?

I misrepresented nothing. The only person misrepresenting and distorting things here is you, and your ass deserves to be banned for it. Mods WTF???

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

You certainly did misrepresent your cite.

The point under discussion was Mr. Rodriguez's
incredible and uncorroborated claim of a 22-story
collapse from 65 to 43.

Your response to this 11/09/2007 - 5:29am was to post
a long extract that discussed rumors of a collapse on 65,
and "rumors of a partial collapse some floors above."

Your inclusion of a whole lot of stuff immaterial to your
position was a sure sign of a snow job. Your extract did
not corroborate any 22-floor collapse.

Your followup 11/09/2007 - 7:42pm claimed your extract
had a "documented report that there was a rumor that "65"
and "some floors above" the 30-37th floor had collapsed."

Wrong. "Some floors above" was not a descriptor
of several collapsed floors, it was a locator. ONE FLOOR
is rumored to have collapsed. You misrepresented your
cite. It did not support William Rodriguez's story. It
supports the view that Mr. Rodriguez turned a rumor of a
one-story collapse into the claim of a 22-story collapse,
presumably to provide proper motivation in his hero
story for his departure from the building.

Please try not to clutter the blog with your lengthy bullshit.

Rodriguez: Amazing Testimony from Inside the World Trade Center

The Heroism of William Rodriguez: Amazing Testimony from Inside the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11

Backed up with footnotes, and corroborating eyewitness testimony.
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http://arabesque911.blogspot.com

Evasive article

The only point in which Rodriguez's main message is even touched in the article is this:

“Our tragedy changed everyone and we owe the truth to the victims, survivors and those affected by 9/11."

Show "Also peculiar in the article: the restaurant at floor 61" by petgoat

"Examples of Troll Infestation on 911Blogger"

would be a better title for some of these postings.

As for William Rodriguez, he has been doing a great job promoting the truth.

Show "He has been doing a great job promoting himself." by petgoat

Your position is garbage...

...beginning with your very first post.

Willie owned that key, it was his and his alone (he got it by suing the Port Authority), and it is what opened many a door to help save many a person on that terrible day.

You know nothing about this.

You are either a shill for who knows who (but certainly not for the truth), and you do not know Willie Rodriguez. You should try contacting him instead of demeaning him.

So take YOUR CARNIVAL ACT and hit the road, pal.

Like I first wrote, your position is remarkable for its complete ignorance of the facts. You are not worth responding to (you've got "troll breath"), but I do so only because Willie is a friend.

And now I wish you were banned by the Mods for wasting time.

Other than that, have a nice day!

Show "William owned that key and if he wanted to take it and go" by petgoat

Such garbage you spew...180 degrees from the truth.

Willie held onto HIS KEY AND USED IT as long as he could helping people get out...and he did so until the last moment.

He was the last one out, pal.

That's a fact.

And he did help the FDNY all during the time in question.

If you researched what happened that day regarding this, you would learn that many, many of the doors WERE INDEED LOCKED.

So the key was not "worthless".

However, "worthless" comes to mind when reading your words.

Show "Your substitution of imagination for facts is surprising" by petgoat

WORLD TRADE CENTER LOCKED STAIRWELLS / EVACUATION PROBLEMS

http://www.mjbarkl.com/locked.htm

STOP SLANDERING 9/11 HEROES. MODS PLEASE BAN THIS PIECE OF SHIT WHO THINKS HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Please provide links that demonstrate your claims." by petgoat

If you would have bothered to read through the link I posted...

http://www.mjbarkl.com/locked.htm
You would know that floors were locked below 39. Here are a few examples...

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"Jimmy figured he was a dead man running. At the fourth floor, with Tower 1 about to surrender and the stairwell exit locked, a dust-covered stranger pointed him toward a free door and - by a 45-second margin - the rest of his life."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wtc+locked&start=700&hl=en&scoring=d&a...
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"We get to the fourth floor, and the door out of the stairwell to the lobby is locked."..."
http://web.archive.org/web/20011115171836/http://alumni.udayton.edu/np_s...
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"On the 25th floor we were met by firefighters coming up the stairs. They were completely exhausted, not only from the climb but all the equipment they were carrying. The fire chief sat down on the stairs next to me, as I was standing on the platform at that floor, waiting for his men to break into the locked door to that floor. The firefighters wouldn’t say much, other than confirming that it was a plane that hit the building, and that we simply needed to continue down. When the men had opened the door, the chief got up and collected his equipment, but dropped a pry bar on his way to the door. I picked up the pry bar and shouted "Chief!" to get his attention, but he was already gone. One of the other firefighters took the pry bar, and probably 20 of them entered that floor. I think they must have been planning to use the elevators to go up higher.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011211085843/http://www.kaleb-world.com/wtc...
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"Some 15 to 20 mintues later, though she admits time was difficult to gauge, Colfer made it to the 40th floor, still thinking: "I'm not getting out of here."...
"Colfer and others in the stairwell heard firefighters smashing steel doors floors below them. Doors to each floor were locked and firefighters needed to check each floor. They broke through one door, then smashed open the vending machine to get bottled water, which they handed to people in the stairwell.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916colferap9.asp
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The people in the staircase were unexplainably calm and orderly, steadfastly climbing down the 90 flights of stairs. After what seemed like 2 hours of walking, they finally reach the lobby. Totally oblivious to what was going on outside and at the sight of the blue skies outside the lobby, everyone let out a sigh of relief. Emergency staff started to direct everyone to the basement of the building when suddenly people started to scream, "RUN! RUN!"
Sheer panic and terror filled the people on the stairs as the blue outside was overcome by horrific clouds of pitch black. Yukiko and her co-workers started to race down the stairs, when a fireman directed them to a flight of stairs to exit the building. They reached the door to find it locked and started to pound on it. A person on the other side responded and opened the door and to their horror, it was another staircase. Miraculously, they were able to find an exit and had just escaped death by a matter of minutes.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020117180609/http://users.rcn.com/lundissim...
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"I saw an interview with a survivor who said that the fire doors were locked (which would be consistent with the self-sealing assertion), and that they had to break the window of a Barnes and Noble bookshop in the lobby, go through the bookshop, down an escalator, through the basement, and back up another escalator before they could find an exit to the street."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/520856/posts?page=17#17
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"Obradovich and others made for the stairway. At Floor 34, it was blocked. Obradovich yanked a nearby, locked door, then banged on it. A New York firefighter answered, pried open the door, instructed everyone to calm themselves and continue down. He then proceeded up, in full gear.
http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/longislandlife/ny-lflowe243...
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Petgoat, firefighters were able to open doors with "pry bars", so your argument that William Rodriguez wouldn't have been allowed to leave without giving them the key is absurd. William was allowed to take the key with him so he could open locked doors below to help others get out of the building.

As far as the names of people that William saved: did you expect him to be running around with a pen and paper, writing them all down during all the chaos happening inside the North Tower??

Your personal crusade of trying to discredit Mr. Rodriguez has failed miserably here, "petgoat". You really should try focusing your energy on more productive things, such as exposing the criminals who orchestrated 9/11.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Kindly stop spamming the thread with bullshit

Your first link does not support your claim. It doesn't tell
of a locked fourth floor door, but a locked 70th floor door.

(As an anonymous post on a religious site, it is not
a credible source.)

Your second link does not contain the text you cite.

Your third link does not describe a locked doorway
preventing egress. At 25 the citizens are going down
and the firemen are going up. The locked door
appears to be a locked return door, as I described
in my 11/10/2007 - 7:59pm post.

Your fourth link again described locked return doors,
and does not contradict me.

Your fifth link is an anonymous account. Its claim that
in the moments before the collapse of WTC1 exit doors
in the bottom levels were still locked is not credible.
How many thousand people had exited by that route
by then?

Your sixth link is to a notorious bullshit chat site.
Somebody claims he saw something on TV.

Your seventh cite no longer exists.

. William was allowed to take the key with him
so he could open locked doors below

What locked doors?

As far as the names of people that William
saved: did you expect him to be running around
with a pen and paper,

No, I expect the persons he "single-handedly
rescued" to see him on TV or read about him
in the paper (or hear about him from their social
networks) and send him a Christmas card.

Your personal crusade of trying to discredit Mr.
Rodriguez

My personal crusade is 9/11 Truth. This has meant
hundreds of hours checking links provided by bullshit
artists such as yourself which links do not say what
the bullshit artists claim.

I have never encountered a 9/11 Truther who employs
the tactics you use in defending Mr. Rodriguez. I have
encountered dozens who use these tactics in
defending Mr. Bush and the official story of 9/11. If
a man can be judged by the character of his friends,
you sir are defaming Mr. Rodriguez!

I believe we should check just as strenuously the
claims of those who tell us what we want to believe
as we check those we don't want to believe--more
strenuously, if we want to stay honest.

Mr. Rodriguez does not even bother to provide any
links--we must take his story on faith. If Mr. Rodriguez
is not telling the truth, he is no friend to 9/11 Truth,
but a liability--and a 9/11 Liar, crowing self-promoting
bullshit on the graves of other men.

petgoat, you're a fraud & everyone reading this thread knows it

petgoat wrote:
"Your first link does not support your claim. It doesn't tell
of a locked fourth floor door, but a locked 70th floor door."

Here's the correct link:
"Jimmy figured he was a dead man running. At the fourth floor, with Tower 1 about to surrender and the stairwell exit locked, a dust-covered stranger pointed him toward a free door and - by a 45-second margin - the rest of his life."
http://web.archive.org/web/20011006125709/http://www.thejournalnews.com/...

petgoat wrote:
"Your second link does not contain the text you cite."

Here's the correct link:
"We get to the fourth floor, and the door out of the stairwell to the lobby is locked."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.fandom/browse_frm/thread/8de3...

petgoat wrote:
"Your third link does not describe a locked doorway
preventing egress. At 25 the citizens are going down
and the firemen are going up. The locked door
appears to be a locked return door, as I described
in my 11/10/2007 - 7:59pm post."

I posted that to show how absurd your claim was that firefighters couldn't open doors without William's key. The quote below explains how firefihgters were able to open doors with "pry bars", and that's why William was allowed to leave without giving them his key...

"On the 25th floor... The fire chief sat down on the stairs next to me, as I was standing on the platform at that floor, waiting for his men to break into the locked door to that floor.... When the men had opened the door, the chief got up and collected his equipment, but dropped a pry bar on his way to the door. I picked up the pry bar and shouted "Chief!" to get his attention, but he was already gone. One of the other firefighters took the pry bar
http://web.archive.org/web/20011211085843/http://www.kaleb-world.com/wtc...

petgoat wrote:
"Your fourth link again described locked return doors,
and does not contradict me."

Again, posted that quote to show just how absurd your claim was that William wouldn't have been allowed to leave without giving the FDNY his key...

"Colfer made it to the 40th floor... Colfer and others in the stairwell heard firefighters smashing steel doors floors below them. Doors to each floor were locked and firefighters needed to check each floor. They broke through one door, then smashed open the vending machine to get bottled water, which they handed to people in the stairwell."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916colferap9.asp

petgoat wrote:
"Your fifth link is an anonymous account. Its claim that
in the moments before the collapse of WTC1 exit doors
in the bottom levels were still locked is not credible.
How many thousand people had exited by that route
by then?"

You're a joke, petgoat. The account was not "anonymous" as you claim. It was posted two days after 9/11 by Richard Kawakami. Why the door was locked I do not know? I was not there. You were not there either. But Richard Kawakami's wife, Yukiko, was there and said the door was locked. Are you really willing to call her and her husband liars?
http://web.archive.org/web/20020117180609/http://users.rcn.com/lundissim...
Here's a picture of Yukiko Kawakami leaving the WTC on 9/11:
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/9.html

petgoat wrote:
"Your sixth link is to a notorious bullshit chat site.
Somebody claims he saw something on TV."

It was posted on the day of 9/11.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/520856/posts?page=17#17
Why in the world would someone make up a story like that on the day if it wasn't true? Perhaps in your Bizarro world you think he really didn't see that news report and was only trying to help support William's "lies" as YOU call them LOL. You really need to get a life, dude, and perhaps a therapist.

petgoat wrote:
"Your seventh cite no longer exists."

Here's the correct link:

"Obradovich and others made for the stairway. At Floor 34, it was blocked. Obradovich yanked a nearby, locked door, then banged on it. A New York firefighter answered, pried open the door, instructed everyone to calm themselves and continue down. He then proceeded up, in full gear."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/9c1a650d029b0213?q=wtc...

Petgoat, you are obviously bent on slandering 9/11 heroes and people WHO WERE THERE. WHY? Why don't you focus your energy on exposing the real criminals of 9/11? Leave Mr. Rodriguez alone. There are several people who corroborate his account of what happened. Anyone reading this thread can see that and right through your BS.

Mods, can you ban this troll now? I've exposed his lies about Rodriguez at every turn. His only recourse is to call me a liar and everyone else who supports William's story liars. Please flush this petgoat asshole, who thinks he knows more about what happened on 9/11 than the people who were actually there.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

More Bushbot tactics

You post the wrong links and then when you correct your bullshit that's supposed to be my fault?

Then you mischaracterize my statements. I never claimed firefighters couldn't open doors without
William's key. William's the one that makes that absurd insinuation.

After your extremely dishonest mischaracterization in your 11/09/2007 - 7:42pm where you claim that
a one floor collapse "some floors above" was a collapse of "some floors" I am little inclined to waste
any more time on your bullshit. Even if your cites as revised turn out to say what you claim, the point
about locked doors below 39 is completely peripheral--a distraction, like William's magic key. "Look! Over here!"

I am not slandering anybody. Mr. Rodriguez has not substantiated his claims.

He has not provided the names of those he single handedly rescued.

No one from FDNY has credibly corroborated his story.

His continuing claim of a 22-story collapse is so reckless as to be a lie. He didn't see it, He never got above 39. And all you can do is call for the mods to rescue you.

Hey S4... Great DATA !!!

You should consider BLOGGING all this for future reference and research...

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Some good stuff on 22nd floor at : http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=18745

Including (need to check above source for URL's etc - approx 1/2 way down page)

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From the 9/11-Commission Report:

QUOTE

A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators. The fireball exploded onto numerous floors, including the 77th and 22nd; the West Street lobby level; and the B4 level, four stories below ground. (ch.9, p.285)

From the NIST:

QUOTE

* Unfortunately, the individual was unaware of the condition of the 22nd floor, where critical communications hardware in the hidden security command center lay in ruins, likely preventing any building-wide public address announcements from reaching the occupants.[B] (...) After the fact, a person familiar with the operation of the building suggested that the fire alarm closet on floor 22 destroyed the riser. (NIST NCSTAR 1-7, Chapter 6)

* When I got to the 22nd floor [b]there was a lot of debris, everything was pushed to the center of the building.[B] The windows were knocked out and I could feel the wind. I could not see. I got a radio transmission that everyone in Tower 1, get out.
(NIST NCSTAR1-8, p.106)

* 8.47 a.m. WTC security radio report, PA Channel X - "...?...There is a [b]fire on 22."

8.47 a.m. WTC security radio report, PA Channel X- "....?...on the 22nd floor a lot of debris." (NIST NCSTAR1-8, p.194)

* 9..57 a.m. WTC security radio repot, PA ChannelX-"...FS2 to (90Mike?)" "If you can copy this, I'm responding to over to A Tower Fire Command.""We are trying to get in touch with them from the 22nd floor command center, but we don't know how to operate the other set of equipment.""S2 to 77....Try to get up to the 22nd floor. A Tower command center."
(NIST NCSTAR1-8, p.222)

* 9.54 a.m. WTC Vertical Transportation message indicates that an officer is located on floor 22, fire command center and that there is heavy traffic in the B stairway. The person indicates that they cannot release any emergency locked door due to fire and the loss of electrical power. (Note: Communication appears to originate from WTC 1.)(PA/WTC Vertical Transportation Radio CHannel Z) (NIST-Progress Report June 04 -Appendix P, p.35)

* 8.47 a.m. WTC security reports that there is fire on floor 22 of WTC1 (PA/WTC Security Radio CHannel X)

8.49 a.m. WTC Security reports that there is damage and a lot of debris on floor 22 of WTC1 (PA/WTC Security Radio Channel X) (NIST-Progress Report June 04 -Appendix P, p.36)

* 9.57 a.m. WTC Security: a report is received that an officer is responding to WTC 1 Fire Command and that he had been trying to contact the Command Center on floor 22, but they didn't know how to operate the other set of communication equipment. (PA/WTC Security Radio Channel X). (NIST-Progress Report June 04 -Appendix P, p.148)

From Port Authority Transcripts:

QUOTE
–(Female trapped): There’s a fire outside of 22! There’s a fire on 22!
–(Male responding): Fire on 22, where? A or B tower?
–(Female trapped): This is the SCC, A tower, the 22nd floor. We see a lot of debris. We are stuck on 22…the door is blocked. There is a fire. (Port Authority Transcript, WTC Ch. 27: Security, p. 1)

pg5

MALE : I have a ambulance (inaudible) ... where's that guard?
MALE: Eighth floor, S2, to OSCC.
MALE : Three-thirty, fire command!
MALE : S2 to SCC!
FEMALE 77 TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: Go!
MALE : (AUDIO BREAKING UP) (Inaudible) conditions there?
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: Can you repeat that again, please?
MALE : Josie, what's the condition on twenty-two?
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: Twenty-two is we cannot leave the area.
There is a lot of smoke outside, we are stuck inside.

pg 15

FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: SCC, S4. (ALARMS IN BACKGROUND)
MALE : Six-three, Evelyn(?) ...
GENE RAGGIO: Go for the S4, go for the S4.
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: (ALARMS IN BACKGROUND) S4, this is
the SCC, we have (inaudible) running ... the air is clearing up just a little bit but we still
can't get out, and we are losing power, we don't have as much power.
GENE RAGGIO: Josie, okay, they are aware that you can't open that door, and they will be up there, and get that debris out of the way
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: That's a big ten-four, thank you.

pg 24

FEMALE: Um, we're okay. I've blocked the doors with some wet tissue. And that
sucks up some of the smoke. But we still can't get out.
(ALARMS HEARD IN BACKGROUND)
GENE RAGGIO: Okay, and (Inaudible)? (AUDIO IN AND OUT)
FEMALE: We have, uh, the cameras running on all the perimeter outside. (PAUSE)
GENE RAGGIO: Repeat?
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: We have all the cameras up on the outside
perimeter. When ... when the, uh, smoke detectors set off, that means the smoke subsided
a little bit. We have the doors blocked with wet tissue.
(ALARM HEARD IN BACKGROUND)
GENE RAGGIO: Okay, we are working our way up to 22.
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: That's a copy, thank you.

pg 31
MALE S2: How are you doing up there?
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: S2,. urn, we're hanging in there. Everything
is OK okay for now. (ALARMS CAN BE HEARD IN BACKGROUND)
WTC Ch. 27 - RADIO CHANNEL X - SECURITY
MALE: We're on 16 right now.
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: That's a copy. We can't use the software
right now to try to release the doors. But it can't ...
MALE: There's a (Overlap)
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: There's no power for the doors. (PAUSE)
MALE: Did you copy that, S2?
MALE: I said we're on 16, working our way up.
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: That's a big ten-four, thank you.
(9/11 Transcripts and Police Reports, Transcript 48)

QUOTE

"First plane hit our building at 8:45. We decided to evacuate from the 22nd floor after 15 minutes. The delay was because we did not know the extent of the damage; part of the 22nd floor was sheared away and the corridor was blocked by fallen debris. Four of us decided it was better to try to get out than stay and wait to be rescued (in hindsight a good decision). We had to crawl for ten to fifteen feet under debris to get to the fire stairs...." (Source)

QUOTE

From the EMS log
09:04:24,""SUPPLEMENT-PD (T69) ----ANOTHER CALL---ANON MC STS TRAPPED ON FLR 22--- HOLE IN HALLWAY----SMOKE COMING IN-----UNABLE TO BREATHE-----MC STS WILL BREAK WINDOW ---- OPR 2235 CP 69+

[Firefighter LONG] on 22FLNT
We made it up to the 22nd floor. We stood there for a couple minutes. I believe Andy Desperito talked to the battalion through the fire warden phones. We did locate somebody at the end of the hall, but everything was blown out. The ceiling had fallen. The drop ceiling had blown to the floor. Some of the walls were blown out. So Andy and I had crawled down the hallway to get to the Port Authority command post. (Source)

QUOTE

The 22nd floor was also affected by fire: On September 12, 2001, NY News Day reported that officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center. "When the fire started, the room was sealed," said [Hermina] Jones, who was in the command center when explosions rocked the building. "Flames were shooting off the walls....We started putting wet towels under the doors. The Fire Department unsealed the door and grabbed us by the hand and said, 'Run!' " (Source)

The elevators on the 22nd floor

QUOTE

Firefighter Paul Bessler: On the 22nd floor, some of the elevator shafts were actually open. (Source - PDF)

QUOTE

Firefighter Craig Dunne: The elevator shafts were blown out, so they had to make their way around -- the fire came down the elevator shafts. (Source)

QUOTE

Firefighter Michael Yarembinsky:

When we got to 22, we heard there was a Port Authority command post on 22. So we were stopped there. My officer wanted to find out some information, my officer Lieutenant Andy Desperito. He went over to the command post. We noticed in the hallway that the elevator shaft had been blown out. There was nothing there, no doors, no framing, nothing. When you looked down, all you saw was the cables for the elevator and the brick work that was surrounding.
Q. Was it burning?
A. No burning, no smoke coming out of it. (Source - PDF)

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Loads more at above thread (great info by NK-44)

Good to see you around...

Very best wishes to ya !!!

Now that's interesting. It has nothing to do with Mr. Rodriguez

(does he ever talk about floor 22?) but it's interesting.

You may be confusing William's claim of a 22-floor
collapse (65 to 43) with a fire on floor 22.

Also interesting is the book "102 Minutes" for discussion
of conditions in the towers. It was my reading of that
book that made me inclined to be skeptical of Mr.
Rodriguez's claims on about the third viewing of his DVD.
The first two viewings I regarded him as credible. He
was, after all, there. And he seemed to be sincere.

How can you trust a man who claims a 22-floor collapse
(65 to 43) that he never saw and that never happened,
when he greatly needs it to explain why his services as
keymaster were no longer required?

Where the hell is Barrett? He promoted the hell out
of William last spring and summer. He should be
able to provide the answers if anyone can, being
a famous scholar and all.

No offense... But I was replying to stallion4

Who I consider an excellent 9/11 researcher, trying to help him collate his very interesting and valuable data into a new blog.

Thanks

He's not too excellent if he mischaracterizes the locator

"some floors above" as a descriptor for multiple floors.

He's not too excellent if he fails to acknowledge that Mr. Rodriguez has never provided names for 13 of the people he claims to have single-handedly rescued.

His reliance on a sportswriter's double-hearsay account for evidence of a locked door at level 4 is also very sloppy. It's an article about a football game. The person who allegedly encountered the locked door, James Andruzzi, is not quoted. Nor is the person, Bill Andruzzi, who presumably provided the tale to the sportswriter. James Andruzzi's encounter with the locked door is not a tale told anywhere else on the internet that I can see.

His extremely emotional tone is not the sign of a good researcher.

His repeated calls for my banishment are not the sign of a good researcher.

I guess Stallion4 must come from the Barrett school of research.

Hey buddy. Thanks! You're not too shabby yourself ;)

Man what is up with this petgoat freak? He's babbling on and on about "William wouldn't have been allowed to leave without giving the FDNY his key", but when I show exactly how ludicrous his claim is -- that the FDNY were able to open doors with "pry bars" -- he just ignores it and refuses to accept that it makes perfect sense that the firefighters would let him leave with the key so he could open locked doors below to help people escape - as I've proven above through statements from people WHO WERE THERE who explain that doors were locked below floor 39. But petgoat stalker boy just ignores all this and continues to slander 9/11 heroes all willy-nilly.

On page one I showed stalker boy how there were rumors that "floor 65" and "other floors" above 37 collapsed. So it's not a stretch to believe that there was a rumor going around that 65 to 44 collapsed or whatever Mr. Rodriguez remembers being told at the time during all the chaos going on inside the tower. But petgoat stalker boy simply pretends these rumors were just a creation of Mr. Rodriguez' imagination...

From the street, Chief Ganci twice ordered firefighters to evacuate the north tower, according to Chief Albert Turi, but it was not clear who inside, if anyone, heard him. Even Chief Turi, standing a few feet away, said it had not come over his radio.
Still, many decided to leave after hearing a rumor of a partial collapse some floors above them, or because they assumed another plane had hit.
On the 37th floor, Daniel Sterling, of Engine Company 24, had stopped with firefighters from Ladder 5 and Engine 33—who did not survive—when the building rattled. A moment later, Firefighter Sterling said, Chief John Paolillo appeared.
''He thought there was a partial collapse of the 65th floor of our building and that we should drop everything and leave,'' Firefighter Sterling said."

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy24133.000/hsy24133_0.htm

Anyway, perhaps I will give petgoat the attention that he craves and further expose him for the fraud he is by creating a blog dedicated to all his lies about Mr. Rodriguez and other 9/11 heroes like FDNY firefighter John Schroeder - who has gone on record multiple times explaining that William saved his life (and at least 12 other people). But maybe I won't, because this petgoat fool really isn't worth it or my time. His 9/11 "research" into William Rodriguez is about as convincing as that New York City Tour Guide, who also has some kind of weirdo obsession with Mr. Rodriguez. Perhaps petgoat and tour guide boy are one in the same?

Good to see you around...

Very best wishes to ya !!!

Good to see you too, 911veritas :) And thanks for the info.

____________________
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

There you go again with your LIE about a multi-floor collapse

The rumor was of a single floor collapse at 65.

There you go again mischaracterizing my statements about the key. The fire axes made the key as superfluous under 39 as above 39--that's been my point all along.

I have not lied in the least about Mr. Schroeder. Either he is very confused when he says tower one fell before tower two, or he is confused like a fox in an attempt to embarrass the 9/11 Truth movement and Mr. Rodriguez (which attempt is succeeding).

My obsession is not with Mr. Rodriguez. My obsession is with the truth. To the degree that Mr. Rodriguez is not telling the truth (and the 22-story collapse is clearly not true) he attracts my attention. It's too bad you can't do a better job of substantiating Mr. Rodriguez's claims. Can't you even provide one new name of a rescuee?

You really believe your own BS don't you

Obviously most here don't, since every post you've made here has been voted down.

You just don't like being wrong do you? Well ya are. There's no denyin' it. You are wrong. See how easy that was? So give up while you're behind... wayyyyyy behind. You're out of your league here, kid. Your BS might be working on some of the dolts over at DU, but not here. You've been exposed, and if you want to continue in this vein, prepare yourself to be exposed even more.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

S4 have you seen the google video "'True Flags"...

Spotted a post over at TruthAction forums...

Looks quite good (only a beta version at the moment)

I'd never heard the quote by John Schroeder before about him and his lieutenant (when looking for another stairwell) finding a dead body in the closet... WTF

Direct link to portion of video :

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=100209423159914875#0h05m20s

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I'm leaving petgoat to the mods and admins, as you say, he's not really worth the time...

Best wishes dude !!!

No I haven't seen that particular video (saw the JS vid, though)

Thanks. I wonder if that was John O'Neil in that closet?

In petgoat's world, Mr. Schroeder must have been "confused" or is "lying to discredit 9/11 truth". Anything but Schroeder is actually telling the truth about what he witnessed or that William Rodriguez saved his life. Anything but THAT, because this would mean petgoat's world would shatter and he'd have to face the reality that he's wrong about something - God forbid! And since he doesn't want to admit that he is wrong, he instead would rather slander 9/11 heroes for his own selfish reasons. Extremely pathetic.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

YOU'RE Pathetic. John Schroeder says that tower one fell before

tower two and you don't even notice.

Either that's confused, or it's lying for some treason. Got another idea?

You mischaracterize your own cite repeatedly.

You bluff and bluster and lie like a Bushbot.

How many names of the 13 rescued persons can you provide? Quit dodging the question.

He got the towers mixed up? Big deal.

There were two towers, so... what he called tower 1 tower 2? Or was it the other way around? This is what your using to slander survivors who were actually there that day?

Please consider seeking some professional help for your delusions concerning Mr. Rodriguez and the rest of the survivors who corroborate his story.

Have a nice day.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

No he didn't call tower one tower two.

You have not watched your own video closely.

Mr. Schroeder says he was in WTC1. He says he ran, "outran the building" looked back from the river and watched it collapse. Then he says that from West End he saw "the other building" collapse. Kindly inform yourself of your own argument before advising more diligent researchers to get psychiatric help.

So like I said, he mixed them up & called tower 2 tower 1

Good Lord. "Serenity Now!"

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

No he didn't mix up the names,

He said he SAW the n. tower fall first, and then he SAW the other one fall.

You can't be as dumb as you pretend to be.

So he mixed up which tower came down first

Big deal.

But in your world, this MUST mean that Schroeder is lying about William Rodriguez saving him (and at least 12 others). It MUST mean that he's out to get the truth movement by spreading such lies.

Like I said, petgoat, please seek some professional help with your delusions.

There has not been any legal action taken against Mr. Rodriguez for making up stories regarding 9/11 for his own personal reasons.

You have not proven that he has.

Your arguments against him are ludicrous and don't have a leg to stand on.

Why do you continue to refuse to admit your wrong about this? Why do you refuse to turn your energies on the criminals who orchestrated 9/11, instead of bashing 9/11survivors/heroes?

This website isn't a BASH 9/11HEROES forum for idiots who think they know more about what happened at the WTC on 9/11 than the people who were actually there and lived it.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

You mischaracterize me again

I say MAYBE not MUST.

Mr. Rodriguez made up the tale of the 22-story collapse.

He claims he rescued 13 people who have no names.

With friends like you Mr. Rodriguez needs no enemies.

LIke I said, he was the last one out.

The others you mention DID NOT GET OUT, Mr. 9/11 No-Know-Nothing. (Better tighten up your wig, pal.)

Sheesh, you're a piece of work.

Now go away, little kid, ya bother me (and everyone else who reads this :-)
You're a joke and you're not going to win this one...

Do you know why?

Because you know nothing about William Rodriguez.

They got out. They got out five hours after William did.

*David Lim (Port Authority Police K-9 Unit)
*Josephine Harris
* Lieutenant James McGlynn (Engine 39)[1]
* Firefighter Mickey Kross (Engine Company 16)
* Battalion Chief Rich Picciotto (11th Battalion)
* Firefighter Billy Butler (Ladder 6)
* Firefighter Tommy Falco (Ladder 6)
* Captain Jay Jonas (Ladder 6)
* Firefighter Rob Bacon (Engine 39)
* Firefighter Jeff Coniglio (Engine 39)
* Firefighter Jim Efthimiaddes (Engine 39)
* Firefighter Michael Meldrum (Ladder 6)
* Firefighter Sal D'Agostino (Ladder 6)
* Firefighter Matt Komorowski (Ladder 6)

Who are the 13 people William Rodreguez claims he rescued
single-handedly, but who apparently do not have names?

If you know more than I do about William Rodriguez,
kindly enlighten me:

How can he justify the claim that he helped to evacuate hundreds?

Please explain why the story about the 22-story collapse is credible,
advise who corroborates it, and inspire confidence that it was not
just a LIE to explain why Mr. Rodriguez turned back from the 39th
floor and left the building.

Please explain how it is that the magic key that saved hundred of
lives between floors 1 and 39 suddenly became useless for
floors above 39.

I don't see how you can say I'm not going to win this one.

Clearly I already have.
No one has provided the missing names.
No one can defend the fraudulent magic key.
No one can defend the absurd story of the 22-story collapse.
No one can justify the statement that Mr. Rodriguez saved hundreds
(or dozens) of lives.

You say I don't know William Rodriguez. Please tell us what you
know about William Rodriguez. What I hear again and again
is that he gives the impression of honesty, he is a godly man,
when he smiles one believes everything he says. People
seem to go Willy Silly when they meet him.

To me that does not inspire confidence. That raises my bullshit
detector. I have not met the man and do not wish to. The story
on paper does not add up.

William is a friend? Was he a friend before you co-authored

the paper with Gordon Ross about seismic studies that seem to
validate Mr. Rodriguez's claim of a blast before the plane hit?

Was this paper your idea, or did Mr. Ross initiate the project?

Did it ever occur to you that friendship with Mr. Rodriguez
might render your participation in the preparation of this
paper inappropriate?

What exactly was your contribution to this paper, as opposed
to Mr. Ross's?

You say I am not worth responding to. Why do you say that
requests for backup of William's claims are not worth
response?

Why should I contact Mr. Rodriguez? He has had six years to
get his story straight.

Should I call him up and say "Willy, when you said such and
such were you telling the truth?" And when he says "yes"
should I believe him? Is that how you arrive at truth? And
you publish papers at the Journal of 9/11 Studies?

I do not want to communicate with you further on this.

You are wasting time and energy.

But one last time, the discovery of the seismic time differences was mine, the paper was my idea solely, it was I who went to Scholars for 9/11 Truth where Steven Jones asked if I would like Gordon Ross to help me in the writing of the paper, which I thought was an excellent idea. Gordon Ross is not only smart, he is a great guy. On the paper, he did about 40% while I did 60%, with the paper being based on my earlier writings.

I communicated with Willie after the paper was written and he is now a friend of mine.

However, it would have made no difference if I had communicated with him before or even during the paper being written, because TRUTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE OR PERSONALITIES.

Truth is simply what is true...and it must be sought after.

Craig T. Furlong

Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?”

John 18:37-39

Thank you for your reply. Mostly it makes sense.

However, your claim that truth has nothing to do with personalities is naive.

Personalities lie. Personalities have needs. And Mr. Rodriguez
clearly has the power to make people believe implausible things
that he does not prove.

You're not bothered by the fact that Mr. Rodriguez never provided
names for 13 of the people he claims to have rescued single-handedly?

You're not bothered by his crazy story of a 22-story collapse that
never happened?

Jesus is truth? And Mr. Rodriguez is godly, therefore he speaks
truth? That sounds like personalities are VERY relevant to your
vision of truth.