Movers and Shakers: Another Report of the "White Van"

As John Doraemi makes clear in this excellent analysis
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/09/corroborating-orwell-van-full-of.html
there were at least two "vans" stopped, searched and seized in New Jersey on 9/11, resulting in the apprehension of at least seven suspects.

The first van, associated with the "dancing Israelis" seen filming the North Tower strike in Liberty State Park, was stopped "on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m."
http://web.archive.org/web/20011108025936/http://www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

A second van was stopped on or near the George Washington Bridge several hours later. CNN's Deborah Feverick cited "two sources" claiming that "law enforcers found tons of explosives" inside this vehicle. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/se.04.html Dan Rather and the Jerusalem Post echoed this report.

Two events, miles and hours apart.

Now consider the Port Authority Police Department Reports, Group 2, pg. 52.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf
Officer John Noble records: "After the collapses I remember reports of a...white van filled with explosives in the Jersey City/Hoboken area". Noble is describing Police transmissions, not media reports. If nothing else, Noble's recollection further corroborates the seizure of at least one explosives-laden vehicle in New Jersey on 9/11. His description of a "white van" coincides with the Urban Moving Systems white 2000 Chevrolet van in the BOLO alert, but cannot be found in any reports of the GWB vehicle. According to the Bergen Record article (online version), "bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives" in the East Rutherford van, but "officers were unable to find anything". Of course, Noble may be conflating reports of the first vehicle with reports of the second later that night. But Noble refers to the "Jersey City/Hoboken area", describing the vicinity of the Holland Tunnel--a third site miles from either East Rutherford or the George Washington Bridge.

How many vans were seized? Precisely what and who did they contain? What became of the evidence? What became of the suspects? Any true investigation of the events of 9/11 must answer these questions.

Thanks for the info Michael Fury, Re White Van(s) and Car Bombs

I remember that info also, was starting to slip down the memory hole and we must also not forget many reports of car bombs (WTC Task force Interviews etc)...

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Below are a couple of pictures, and to me probable examples of incendiary devices, placed in or under vehicles (and this is around the back of the post office on Barclay St (looking towards Church St junction) and out of range of any debris from the towers)

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Sorry to sound suspicious, but I would hope that these are genuine NYPD (notice no observable fire in WTC5 at this stage, WTC4 has fires in the background)...

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Finally, a view down Vesey St (from corner of Church St), WTC7 is still standing as footbridge is still up, no fire noticable in WTC5)

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Do you think a F.O.I Request may help get to the bottom of the "White Van" mystery ?

Thanks for all your great posts

Best wishes

More vehicles needing to be forensically tested for incendiaries

Below are a few more pictures of burnt out vehicles that are highly unlikely to have been caused by the warm dust cloud. If these vehicles still reside at the Fresh Kills site, then these need to be forensically tested for arson related substances and devices.

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West Broadway, looking towards WTC7 (just before junction with Barclay Street).

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West Broadway, with your back to WTC7 (looking towards junction with Park Place).

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Park Place, looking towards Greenwich Street.

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A Map to help with the geography and a picture of something "blown" (not sure of location, any ideas? note two broken windows above, no burn marks)

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Just to add a few extracts of the testimony of EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC - WTC Task Force Interview - Date: October 11, 2001

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But I ran towards the West Side Highway, and I kept running up Vesey. As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat.

There's hundreds of cops all running up there, and I ended up running through this park, and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North.

Q: Through North Park?
A: I guess that's North Park. It's a big green, grassy area, and there's nothing there. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up, I don't think I looked back, but you couldn't see anything, everything was just black. I was running and I was falling over people, cause people were crawling on the ground cause they couldn't see anymore. I just kept on running north. I could smell water, so I just kept on running towards the water, cause I knew that my coat was on fire, and I figured well, if I can see a boat over the water, I'm just gonna jump onto the boat and take that thing to Jersey, cause no one wants to blow up Jersey. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an earthquake. I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake. There was no where safe to go.

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All 500 WTC Task Force Interviews can be downloaded in a zip file (details in below blog)

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8098

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Please save / backup these images and share

Many thanks and best wishes

radio transmission about "remote control mural" van

The speaker clearly says "the van exploded".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fg7eashn0&feature=related#

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