A scholarly, civilized exchange between Prof. Mark Vorobej and Barrie Zwicker

The pair of Letters added today to the Journal of 9/11 Studies illustrates how a civil discussion can take place, even when one party is critiquing another's work.

Prof. Mark Vorobej sent a Letter to the Journal of 9/11 Studies which included a critique of some material in Barrie Zwicker's book, "Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11." Of course, the editors allowed Barrie to reply -- a courtesy we extend in all such cases. That is, if one finds his work criticized by another, then he or she has a standing invitation to respond. This invitation stands to all authors who find their work critiqued by another research. And most journals extend the same courtesy -- hence the importance of responding to such authors as Bazant and Seffen... But I digress...

Barrie Zwicker offers a gentlemanly, exemplary response to, and comments upon,
the paper “Cumulative Arguments and Smoking Guns” by Mark Vorobej. He writes:

"I’m personally indebted to the author of “Cumulative Arguments and Smoking Guns” for exposing a weakness in argumentation in Chapter 2 of my book Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11. My recognition of the author’s superior reasoning in this particular will become evident.

"The paper exhibits two impressive strengths, in my opinion. The first is simply that the author brings philosophy to bear on a highly important topic within current affairs: whether the official narrative of 9/11 is false, true, or somewhere in-between. The last time I studied philosophy in university was 1967-68. My philosophy professor droned on with no application of his philosophizing (until I challenged him) to the Vietnam War, a highly relevant ongoing current affair of the time. The other strength of the paper is the general rigor of the author’s philosophical and logical reasoning."

One may read the rest of the exchange here, in these two published Letters:
http://journalof911studies.com/letters/b/VorobejCumulativeArguments.pdf by Prof. Mark Vorobej
= the response by Barrie Zwicker.

Dick Cheney's MIHOP order to LIHOP

I enjoy Barrie Zwicker's writing.


"Further, the author’s proposition (R) (government complicity), can be divided into at least two propositions: (L) The US government let 9/11 happen (known as LIHOP, short for “let it happen on purpose”) and (M) The US government made 9/11 happen (known as MIHOP, short for “made it happen on purpose”) Both (L) and (M) – mainstays of debate regarding 9/11 -- relate back to the author’s (S), (significant elements not true) but are unaccounted for in the paper."

I would suggest that these are actually two sides of the same coin.
Dick Cheney after all, gave the MIHOP order to LIHOP to that young man.

Disinformation and the Misleading and False LIHOP/MIHOP Dichotomy

Yes I agree.

"I would suggest that these are actually two sides of the same coin.
Dick Cheney after all, gave the MIHOP order to LIHOP to that young man"

End quote.

Only question is who gave Dick Cheney the order?

How far does this trail lead?

I don't think it stops or started with Mr Cheney.

This is a lot more complex than that and there may be international Military Industrial Complex interests and components.

Thanks for your analysis.

Considering the COMPLICITY of the International Media on 911, the culprits are not ALL on American soil.

The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it

Thanks for the update Professor Jones

It is good to hear about Barrie Zwicker's response.

Just one note if I may.

911 is not an isolated event.

We have to look at other false flag events for eg. the 1993 WTC bombing where the NY Times reported FBI prior knowlegde and even degrees of complicity via an doube agent they had eg. "cooking the bomb".



The 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing also raises deep questions.


Former FBI Director Calls For New OKC Bombing Investigation
( http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/020307okcinvestigation.htm )

Attorney: Sealed Documents Indicate OKC Inside Job
FBI, defense team files identify government informants directing McVeigh
( http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/230207insidejob.htm)

911 was an event "waiting to happen", for the same forces which had historically carried out false flag events in the past will not stop until the American people themselves put a stop to it.

The philosophical arguments are interesting but if I may add, the historical dimension is also significant.

Events such as these do not happen in isolation, there seems to be a connected web of intrigue and criminal conspiracy (in a legal sense) to wage war against the American People. her Constitution and the people of the world at large.


The CONSTITUTION is NOT going to "collapse" into pulverized dust no matter how much thermate/explosives or planes they throw at it